I had. Then I got quoted by Paul repeating his (incorrect) assumption insisting I said something I didn't (let alone equating *potential* criticism about foreign policy to the entirety of the nation, every party, and its inhabitants but I digress...). You could have quoted him (too), ya know?
Is FUG winning over the tower inhabitants or not? Will they be divided? Did Zahard face a similar issue with his empire-building? Do the vast hoi polloi of the tower have short memories? (I could make sooo many correlations to a whole host of different empires/countries, but apparently that's taboo to even address for some odd reason - opinions notwithstanding).
I had. Then I got quoted by Paul repeating his (incorrect) assumption insisting I said something I didn't (let alone equating *potential* criticism about foreign policy to the entirety of the nation, every party, and its inhabitants but I digress...). You could have quoted him (too), ya know?
Is FUG winning over the tower inhabitants or not? Will they be divided? Did Zahard face a similar issue with his empire-building? Do the vast hoi polloi of the tower have short memories? (I could make sooo many correlations to a whole host of different empires/countries, but apparently that's taboo to even address for some odd reason - opinions notwithstanding).
Lol then, going with your example. I am of the opinion the extremes are good here. Either 1) Be a dove isolationist and improve your own country, or 2) if you must go to war, make it a war of extermination. No survivors, nothing left. Think what we did to the nazis. Dresden and Berlin were ashes
But the horses have bolted already, there's no closing the barn door. War is happening.
Paul's head might explode, but there's an argument to be made about Dresden being a war crime...
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Also, shock and awe is one way to win an actual war, but IDT FUG has that capability. At this point at least. This will likely drag on until Baam is fully powered at the very least. It's THE one thing Dowon is worried about.
Wonder what % of the masses are Zahard zealots that won't like what FUG is trying to achieve. Perhaps, as some have said, it will be discovered Zahard served a greater purpose (while being a terrible individual). You could say the same about the deposed despots in the last decade or two that have resulted in greater death and instability than had they just been left installed.
Yeah, but that's the tower oligarchs, not so much the salt of the tower.
You think Ha Yurin hates Zahard? Who is the other one? Gustang is the only one with balls enough so far to do anything about it.
Although I do agree it seems they couldn't all come to Zahard's side against V and Arlen for quite some time before coming to consensus. I suspect he has something to hang over their heads, and probably still does.
It may probably be top 30 or 40 (and blue holes) who are stronger than Hell Joe
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No, useless Khell Hellam... it's high time he kicks the bucket ( after passing over his ancient power to Rak)
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The thing is that there were already 3 squadrons present in the Nest : 4th, 5th and top secret 4th. Plus:
- Fug was thought to be inferior to just 2 squadrons alone
- Raviolic is there to screw all those thinking they're smart.
So then, Adori must be lying on a couch with chips while, elsewhere Zahard eats his fingers saying " that boy is there; I'm soon to lose 2 whole squadrons; I've seen it all; what should I do?!?"
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Maschenny has a plot armor thanks to her bet with Yuri (she even said she felt compelled to make that bet).
Baam and Dowon seem to be able to manipulate it to a similar degree. What Baam and Dowon did with the soul arrows as well as her turning the flame inwards while even Yama was getting blown back is something. Neither are ranked atm are they?
Khel could die, but he's pretty strong, would be a big hit to FUG. I suppose it might be touching if he dies a hero and dies seeing a future where fug frees the tower from the king
I don't think Raviolic is doing this on purpose, the plan was brilliant. If White had killed Kallavan quickly for example, instead of going with his intuition that baam needed to learn soul magic, baam couldn't have stopped the explosion or risked his life to do so (which seemed to have changed Dowon's mind on him)
FUG is just drawing royal flush after royal flush
Think it was said that Baam clouds sowo's visions of the future. It might be like chemistry, you can predict hydrogen pretty well despite the wave motions etc, but helium becomes much harder with 2 electrons. The future is scrambled with 2 irregulars messing with it
She wont die, I just think they'll capture and hold her
Yeah, but that's the tower oligarchs, not so much the salt of the tower.
You think Ha Yurin hates Zahard? Who is the other one? Gustang is the only one with balls enough so far to do anything about it.
Although I do agree it seems they couldn't all come to Zahard's side against V and Arlen for quite some time before coming to consensus. I suspect he has something to hang over their heads, and probably still does.
But it would probably be a good time for Sophia and co. to save the day
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Kallavan lost the use of his arm and rank after the last station failure. Don't think Jahad would be pleased to know his Squad Commander ran away from FUG led by a regular. An example would have to be made.
2 Squadrons, Kallavan’s Squad were throw aways from start. They already lost to the likes of EVK, Yuri, Karaka, semi-White. Not sure how accurate Jahad’s vision was but Prime White and Baylords United were not expected. So they had more than enough based on their original plans, EVK was clearly the main hurdle they expected.
Be that as it may, none of those people are soft hitters. Semi-White isn't Prime White, but he was still problematic for everyone bar Elpatheon to deal with
Khel will prob die soon and maybe his purpose now is to pass on his power to Rak, but come on the guy is far from useless ability wise he is extremely strong, possibly one of the strongest persons on either side of this war, his will power is just shit. Otherwise it would be crazy for Adori or LPBFH to show up here cause Luslec cannot act so soon as it will really put this war into full effect and baam even tho very powerful isnt ready for all out war as yet. As much as i think hes awesome hes no white being able to kill billions or cha going on battlefields soloing endless rankers so i think its crazy for any of that to happen right now.
What i think will happen next is:
1. Kalla plans to kill Raviolli and a temp truce is formed or even a "Stay out of my way or il kill you Slayer candidate"
2. There will 100% be some hardship on the next wall and someone will either die or be seriously injured for sophia arrival to make sense,why come to a winning or even battle?
3. Baam is ushered to see Luslec after all this war is over and we finally see the God of the Devils and hes crowned a Slayer
4. Maybe the nest is seized by the houndborn or FUG as a forward base and then its used like a hyperbolic time chamber and we get a time skip to some decades later in nest time where the regulars especially hockney,khun,rak,hatsu,leeso,elaine,androssi and god damn wagnan are much stronger and actually useful cause at this point especially after this battle...the serve no more purpose in baams story cause they simply cant match up.(Last 3 are defo important cause we are owed some princess and prince story line and them at this stage might aswell not exist)
After this battle its big boy time no more regulars running around baams enemies are rankers and high rankers and they need a rocky montage to catch up
I really don't want a time skip type deal tbh, the allure of the regulars is they're brilliant for being regulars, and use wit and their abilities to overwhelm raw power
Ie Dokoko
The rest I agree with. Khel should really hate Lyb for what Lyb had done to his friends shouldn't he? Might even have a greater right to his head than Dowon and Cha
Is FUG winning over the tower inhabitants or not? Will they be divided? Did Zahard face a similar issue with his empire-building? Do the vast hoi polloi of the tower have short memories? (I could make sooo many correlations to a whole host of different empires/countries, but apparently that's taboo to even address for some odd reason - opinions notwithstanding).
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Not sure how accurate Jahad’s vision was but Prime White and Baylords United were not expected. So they had more than enough based on their original plans, EVK was clearly the main hurdle they expected.
Don't underestimate the visions of his majesty: the greatest adventurer who brought civilisation into the Tower. He has even already seen that Baam has a sad destiny for him(as said at the end of the Hidden F); there's no way he couldn't foresee the Yama-White-Karaka unity
Khel will prob die soon and maybe his purpose now is to pass on his power to Rak, but come on the guy is far from useless ability wise he is extremely strong, possibly one of the strongest persons on either side of this war, his will power is just shit. Otherwise it would be crazy for Adori or LPBFH to show up here cause Luslec cannot act so soon as it will really put this war into full effect and baam even tho very powerful isnt ready for all out war as yet. As much as i think hes awesome hes no white being able to kill billions or cha going on battlefields soloing endless rankers so i think its crazy for any of that to happen right now.
What i think will happen next is:
1. Kalla plans to kill Raviolli and a temp truce is formed or even a "Stay out of my way or il kill you Slayer candidate"
2. There will 100% be some hardship on the next wall and someone will either die or be seriously injured for sophia arrival to make sense,why come to a winning or even battle?
3. Baam is ushered to see Luslec after all this war is over and we finally see the God of the Devils and hes crowned a Slayer
4. Maybe the nest is seized by the houndborn or FUG as a forward base and then its used like a hyperbolic time chamber and we get a time skip to some decades later in nest time where the regulars especially hockney,khun,rak,hatsu,leeso,elaine,androssi and god damn wagnan are much stronger and actually useful cause at this point especially after this battle...the serve no more purpose in baams story cause they simply cant match up.(Last 3 are defo important cause we are owed some princess and prince story line and them at this stage might aswell not exist)
After this battle its big boy time no more regulars running around baams enemies are rankers and high rankers and they need a rocky montage to catch up
Khell isn't gonna die that easily, it makes sense for him to be dejected, after being trolled twice by zahard, but he is indeed very strong and will come around once he focus his vision around bam instead of zahard, Rak doesn't need a ancient one spirit, he is a pure blood and can manipulate earth already without one and the spear will teach him how to use his powers, Khell can still be around bam needs powerful allies.
Adori will show up if bam is successful in rescuing jingsung and is about to make his escape, then another brief struggle and desperate escape maybe Khell or jinsung dies here, unless someone equalize Adori shows up.
Also agree bam isn't ready for a real all out war, if he can't kill a squad of low rankers without going all out and needing to be saved in 2 mins why bother, but after this I fully expect bam to be allowed to climb like before, he should be safe in regular zones among other regular taking tests, so he doesn't have to take part in future wars for a time if he doesn't have to, this all happened cause Mas captured jinsung, instead of killing him, so if bam wins no need for other wars unless zahard sides start attacking fug bases, which bam will feel responsible for but continuous battles isn't a good look for z army, so they will wait a bit.
About your other points agreed, the last one I don't think it makes sense to stay on 1 floor for years for the regulars, their strength won't progress unless they climb, that how the tower works, Elaine stayed on her floor for hundreds of years her strength hit a ceiling, they have a lot of hr with them climbing and training won't be a issue, another time skip is alright even though it won't help bam teammates much, unless SIU skips straight to A class which I doubt, but bam doesn't have to fight hr and rankers all the time anyway.
Also agree bam isn't ready for a real all out war, if he can't kill a squad of low rankers without going all out and needing to be saved in 2 mins why bother, but after this I fully expect bam to be allowed to climb like before, he should be safe in regular zones among other regular taking tests, so he doesn't have to take part in future wars for a time if he doesn't have to
Nobody's going to allow him that luxury. Zahard wants him gone yesterday, and the opposition accordingly wants Baam forged in fire as quickly as possible. Thus he's going to keep getting hurled into these kinds of situations by whatever means necessary. Climbing the Tower normally and ROFLstomping hopeless Regulars does nothing to improve upon what he is right now.
Also agree bam isn't ready for a real all out war, if he can't kill a squad of low rankers without going all out and needing to be saved in 2 mins why bother, but after this I fully expect bam to be allowed to climb like before, he should be safe in regular zones among other regular taking tests, so he doesn't have to take part in future wars for a time if he doesn't have to, this all happened cause Mas captured jinsung, instead of killing him, so if bam wins no need for other wars unless zahard sides start attacking fug bases, which bam will feel responsible for but continuous battles isn't a good look for z army, so they will wait a bit.
About your other points agreed, the last one I don't think it makes sense to stay on 1 floor for years for the regulars, their strength won't progress unless they climb, that how the tower works, Elaine stayed on her floor for hundreds of years her strength hit a ceiling, they have a lot of hr with them climbing and training won't be a issue, another time skip is alright even though it won't help bam teammates much, unless SIU skips straight to A class which I doubt, but bam doesn't have to fight hr and rankers all the time anyway.
There's no way things will ever be normal and regular for Baam again. His feats have astonished more than a dozen top 100 high rankers watching him and none off them is taking him out of his mind until he's supposedly dead; that's the BAAM EFFECT: i.e once a high ranker sees him, all the dreams and actions of this one start revolving around Baam. Victims of the Baam effect are:
Evankhell, 3 slayers we all know, Maschenny (captured Jingsung so as to be able to see Baam in action), Zahard (declaring war after seeing Baam), Gustang (betraying Zahard after seeing Baam ), Kallavan (dreaming of killing Baam day and night after seeing him), Yuri (giving out Black M. twice after seeing Baam), Jingsung...
The latest victims of the Baam effect are Yasratcha, Raviolic, Maschenny (again) and Bright Sharon
All those under the Baam effect don't give a sh!t about how the world views or judges their actions e.g Zahard
Might just be the imagination, but Maschenny's starting to look just a wee bit thirsty there in that one panel.
Nobody's going to allow him that luxury. Zahard wants him gone yesterday, and the opposition accordingly wants Baam forged in fire as quickly as possible. Thus he's going to keep getting hurled into these kinds of situations by whatever means necessary. Climbing the Tower normally and ROFLstomping hopeless Regulars does nothing to improve upon what he is right now.
There's no way things will ever be normal and regular for Baam again. His feats have astonished more than a dozen top 100 high rankers watching him and none off them is taking him out of his mind until he's supposedly dead; that's the BAAM EFFECT: i.e once a high ranker sees him, all the dreams and actions of this one start revolving around Baam. Victims of the Baam effect are:
Evankhell, 3 slayers we all know, Maschenny (captured Jingsung so as to be able to see Baam in action), Zahard (declaring war after seeing Baam), Gustang (betraying Zahard after seeing Baam ), Kallavan (dreaming of killing Baam day and night after seeing him), Yuri (giving out Black M. twice after seeing Baam), Jingsung...
The latest victims of the Baam effect are Yasratcha, Raviolic, Maschenny (again) and Bright Sharon
All those under the Baam effect don't give a sh!t about how the world views or judges their actions e.g Zahard
Also Jinsung, Cha and Dowon, Luslec, Urek (to some extent, but not entirely). Koon Eduan has some level of implied interest in all this (during the Ran vs Inieta fight we learned that Headon paid him a call right around the time Baam entered the Tower, and persuaded him to send Ran up the Tower). And at least one Admin (2F, who sent Hansung and Evankhell to him).
Baam's ascent has become a viral phenomenon among the people who matter in the Tower (the extremely bored immortals at the top of the food chain). Those people aren't interested in seeing him climb like an average Regular.
Should have happened a long time ago, and they would help elevate him somewhat. But it's hard to imagine them having the same results as the unholy baptism he's been forced to undergo since the end of Season One.
*everyone expecting SIU to kill Natives to buff Rak*
SIU: *Kills Rak and transfers all Natives to Kheil Hellam*
Also SIU: *writes the EoB chosing Leesoo as bravest person on the Battlefield after Kallavan dies, and Shibisu gets the EoB*
I would love this ONLY for the sake of feeling the despair of readers lol (evil White side of me *grins*)
*everyone expecting SIU to kill Natives to buff Rak*
SIU: *Kills Rak and transfers all Natives to Kheil Hellam*
Also SIU: *writes the EoB chosing Leesoo as bravest person on the Battlefield after Kallavan dies, and Shibisu gets the EoB*
I would love this ONLY for the sake of feeling the despair of readers lol (evil White side of me *grins*)
Powerups tend to get forced into Baam whether he or they like it or not. If Kallavan goes down anywhere in his vicinity, the essence is getting devoured.
*everyone expecting SIU to kill Natives to buff Rak*
SIU: *Kills Rak and transfers all Natives to Kheil Hellam*
Also SIU: *writes the EoB chosing Leesoo as bravest person on the Battlefield after Kallavan dies, and Shibisu gets the EoB*
I would love this ONLY for the sake of feeling the despair of readers lol (evil White side of me *grins*)
I fully expect bam to be allowed to climb like before, he should be safe in regular zones among other regular taking tests, so he doesn't have to take part in future wars for a time if he doesn't have to, this all happened cause Mas captured jinsung, instead of killing him, so if bam wins no need for other wars unless zahard sides start attacking fug bases, which bam will feel responsible for but continuous battles isn't a good look for z army, so they will wait a bit
Zahard will personally intervene in this attempt fails to kill him. He already kinda sorta did in hidden floor. He probably is off the steam because jinsung is a good bait.
If this fails it will be Yuri 's time.
It's funny that he has to rescue Ha only. I would be interested to see if ha family revolts
Let's all sign a petition for SIU to kill off all rankers and provide Baam's allies with the same old skills/abilities b/c that is MUCH better than having characters develop their own amazing abilities
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Was there anything exciting about Khell's ancient? All it did was shoot out endless branches
Might just be the imagination, but Maschenny's starting to look just a wee bit thirsty there in that one panel.
Nobody's going to allow him that luxury. Zahard wants him gone yesterday, and the opposition accordingly wants Baam forged in fire as quickly as possible. Thus he's going to keep getting hurled into these kinds of situations by whatever means necessary. Climbing the Tower normally and ROFLstomping hopeless Regulars does nothing to improve upon what he is right now.
Exactly this is a declaration of all out war, do they think after branch heads die here and high rankers and hundreds if not thousands of rankers perished and FUG has offically began to move....baam is going back to fighting lil ol regulars? Theres no point or benefit to him doing that as a matter of fact people of the tower will view him as the head of a revolution many will be in awe if he goes back to normal climbing hes essentially killing his future worshippers. I fully believe that after this epic battle everyone is coming out of their hidey holes. The princesses will have to suit up and start climbing again or training. Blossom,yurin,koon maybe even arie will have to state their sides and the unranked blue holes will start popping up.
I'd also like if khell lives and trains rak to use his powers+ we dont know what Toro has or does ...but someone has to die for this war to make sense FUG cant escape unscathed
Powerups tend to get forced into Baam whether he or they like it or not. If Kallavan goes down anywhere in his vicinity, the essence is getting devoured.
sticking to the facts here!, it was in auto pilot just shooting branches to eventually transport the cage. Was never attacking, Evk and Yama just happened to be in the way. C'mon now we all know EVK was barely trying
