One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

Not sure, but I'd be surprised if everyone down there was a DF user.

If Rayleigh in his prime was imprisoned, what the hell would they do to him? Or any other high tier who specializes in haki but don't have abilities?

If they beat him, they'd likely make sure he's chained and unable to break out, given it's better to have a haki user unable to use hands or legs. They also probably use the jail's reputation to discourage anyone from trying to break out or fight back, although Ivanka hinted it was possible. How did she break out of the seastone cuffs anyway?

 

[nik87]

There is a hierarchy after all.

Is that not the rule in practiclly every single arc?
It's easier to list the exceptions: Mihawk and Kuma.
Zoro also gets points for humilhating Davy Jones before he took the steroids pills.

The opponents that Zoro fights are the ones that are bad match-up for Luffy despite being lower ranked than Luffy's opponents.
Zoro handles what Luffy cant.

 

[Mwhitt]

The opponents that Zoro fights are the ones that are bad match-up for Luffy despite being lower ranked than Luffy's opponents.
Zoro handles what Luffy cant.

Yes because Monet and Hyouzou are such menaces.

 

[nik87]

Yes because Monet and Hyouzou are such menaces.

They arent. Mr1, Ohm, Kaku, Ryuma and Pica are.

 

[Aliocha]

G2 Luffy smash Ryuma and Kaku

 

[XXGenesis]

Idk why people rank Magellan really high (YC level) when he's not. He was a big threat Pre TS but not anymore. Pre TS G2 Luffy wouldve been able to defeat him if Luffy had haki back then, but with high diff. Magellan is just like Pica with their DF's DC. Theyre nearly invincible and can deal a lot of damage but thats because of their DF but theyre kinda weak.
Honestly I dont see how Shiyruu lost to Magellan, if Shiyruu is strong as he seems (YC level) then he shouldnt have lost to Magellan. Magellan is low VA level. The seasoned VA's would wreck Magellan.

And yeah Udon's prison seastone cuffs were weakened versions so the DF users prisoners could still have strength to work

Agreed, mostly. Magellan seems to be mid VA Lv..Luffy hurt him with G2 a lil bit. But then his Hell form even G3 + Wax didn't stop it either.

So Magallen haxx DF powers but is a minor glass cannon.

Wasn't Luffy doing decently against Magellan once he had wax shoes or something on to protect against Magellan's poison? No reason why haki wouldn't work either. I think Magellan's advantage is that he was introduced before haki really became a thing. Shiryuu probably lost because he either didn't have haki for some reason or Magellan is a better fighter than we thought. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a much better fighter long ago though.

Lol One Piece has quite a few characters who were stronger back in they hay day...Garp Sengoku, Lao G, chinjao, Tsururu etc

I dont believe this is the case with Magallen. It's weird as hell but Magellan seems to be made of glass but still yet could defeat BB & his crew because of his DF abilities.

Luffy hurt him using G2, but it wasnt a game changing effect. I believe Luffy back then would need repetitive G3 attacks to finish Magellan. Because it wasnt like G2 had him coughing up blood and Magellan's DF ability overall is just strong

 

[Pirate Queen]

G2 Luffy smash Ryuma and Kaku

I would say Luffy defeats them with equal or easier difficulty than Zoro. Not greater difficulty.

Besides Mr.. 1 Zoro has yet to face an opponent that Luffy couldn't deal with at equal difficulty or easier where as Luffy has faced people Zoro would have no chance against (Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moriah) just talking PTS.

Luffy would have far greater difficulty against Mr 1 than Zoro did, but not due to not being a swordsman but due to Mr. 1's steel body...

There has always been a large gap between the fighters Luffy and Zoro have faced and often Zoro only faces a 1 trick pony and once the trick is exploited the opponent is easily beaten. Zoro has never faced a truly versatile opponent and with good reason, he'd lose or at the very least not look nearly impressive as he is now. Imagine Zoro up against the likes of Crocodile who is CQC, Long Range Fighter, Loria, and in the middle of a desert. Imagine him up against Doflamingo who would play him like he played Sanji. Versatile opponents aren't a good match up for Zoro. The one true time it happened vs Pika, Pika ended up being a cpward and playing hide and seek and even ten to finish it Zoro needed the momentum on being thrown combo's with his strongest attack (or one of) to catch him.

I bet you his fight in Wano is going to be more of the same.... a opponent thats straightforward that all he needs to do is outmuscle. The problem is he is in a world of highly versatile fighters, none of which he has come across conveniently enough.

Every one Zoro has fought IS basically fodder once their trick is exploited.

If it was only about strength, I'd probably rank him closer to Jinbe than I do now, or even over Jinbe... but it's not all about strength in this manga.

 

[albertwv]

I believe Luffy mentioned in Udon that he can't use haki because of the sea prism stone cuffs. IDK if that applies to everyone or only DF users. If it does then Rayleigh wouldnt be able to break out. Look at Shiki 22 years ago before he cut off his feet to escape.

Magellan isn't really all that powerful only thing he has is his DF. Also whoever said haki wouldnt work on him is wrong. Haki would def penetrate his DF poison body. He doesnt need to be extremely powerful to be the warden of Impel Down, look at Hannibal. Magellan only defeated BB's crew because they were unprepared they said it themselves, im sure BB Pre TS couldve defeated him if he took him seriously the first time.

Forget about Zolo, I feel like that is all we talk about, Zolo or Sanji and its always the same people vs that one person.

How strong is Jimbei?

 

[Pirate Queen]

How strong is Jimbei?

In relation to the SH? Second strongest, but in relation to the rest of the world? YC 2, he certainly has the feats to back at least being put there. Not quite 1st Commander level but right below

 

[albertwv]

In relation to the SH? Second strongest, but in relation to the rest of the world? YC 2, he certainly has the feats to back at least being put there. Not quite 1st Commander level but right below

In relation to the world to include the straw hats. I agree with you in 2nd strongest. Though I am secretly rooting for Zolo and Sanji to make a comeback, it doesn't feel right.

But anyways, YC 2? I think that's a bit too high because Cracker and Doffy are YC 2 and honestly I don't see Jimbei taking down Cracker or Doffy. His greatest feat is able to push down Big Mom but Luffy was able to do that to Kaido in G3. Obviously no damage. I see Jimbei equaled to Ace, and I don't see Ace being that strong compared to the rest of the YCs

 

[M3J]

Lol One Piece has quite a few characters who were stronger back in they hay day...Garp Sengoku, Lao G, chinjao, Tsururu etc

I dont believe this is the case with Magallen. It's weird as hell but Magellan seems to be made of glass but still yet could defeat BB & his crew because of his DF abilities.

Luffy hurt him using G2, but it wasnt a game changing effect. I believe Luffy back then would need repetitive G3 attacks to finish Magellan. Because it wasnt like G2 had him coughing up blood and Magellan's DF ability overall is just strong

I meant as in Magellan probably got weaker because he wasn't challenged much, if at all. Garp, Chinjao, etc are on the frontlines fighting enemies whereas Magellan has been in Impel Down for a while, likely not having to do much due to prisoners being chained and/or locked up. I hope we get to see another fight where he can go more all out.

I think Luffy would lose without haki or some kind of protection from the poison.

 

[Fox666]

Luffy hurt him using G2, but it wasnt a game changing effect. I believe Luffy back then would need repetitive G3 attacks to finish Magellan. Because it wasnt like G2 had him coughing up blood and Magellan's DF ability overall is just strong

It did the first time... but after it Gear 2 attacks had no effect on Magellan.

 

[thedude]

The opponents that Zoro fights are the ones that are bad match-up for Luffy despite being lower ranked than Luffy's opponents.
Zoro handles what Luffy cant.

Or...Luffy never bothers with the lower ranked members, doesn't even know what their powers are, because he always handles the top ranked fighter.

 

[nik87]

Or...Luffy never bothers with the lower ranked members, doesn't even know what their powers are, because he always handles the top ranked fighter.

Or he cant actually handle those which I mentioned and conveniently goes after others who fit his combat style better.

 

[thedude]

Or he cant actually handle those which I mentioned and conveniently goes after others who fit his combat style better.

Did he even ever see Daz? Lol, before he saw a single member of Crocodile's team he was saying "we can end this war if I kick Crocodiles ass". Stop re-writing the manga in your head please. It's just silly, we all read it.

 

[nik87]

Did he even ever see Daz? Lol, before he saw a single member of Crocodile's team he was saying "we can end this war if I kick Crocodiles ass". Stop re-writing the manga in your head please. It's just silly, we all read it.

I didnt rewrite anything. It is a fact that plot babysits Luffy constantly and only puts him against opponents which he can actually beat so he doesnt look bad.
If you stop thinking for a second that Luffy is all-powerful you might see his flaws but this might be too much to ask for.

 

[Fox666]

The plot babysits Luffy by putting him against Crocodile?

 

[nik87]

The plot babysits Luffy by putting him against Crocodile?

Plot babysitting Luffy? Never.

 

[thedude]

I didnt rewrite anything. It is a fact that plot babysits Luffy constantly and only puts him against opponents which he can actually beat so he doesnt look bad.
If you stop thinking for a second that Luffy is all-powerful you might see his flaws but this might be too much to ask for.

Lol, you realize that the characters only exist when Oda creates them right? He doesn't create this all powerful Daz and say "oh crap, he's too strong...I better match Luffy against the leader and strongest crew member instead".

In Nik's world, Luffy considers fighting someone other than the leader lol. And he considers Luffy fighting someone other than the leader to be "babysitting" by the plot. I mean, Lucci was 2X stronger than Kaku...but the plot really saved Luffy by not having him fight Kaku instead!

 

[nik87]

Lol, you realize that the characters only exist when Oda creates them right? He doesn't create this all powerful Daz and say "oh crap, he's too strong...I better match Luffy against the leader and strongest crew member instead".

In Nik's world, Luffy considers fighting someone other than the leader lol. And he considers Luffy fighting someone other than the leader to be "babysitting" by the plot. I mean, Lucci was 2X stronger than Kaku...but the plot really saved Luffy by not having him fight Kaku instead!

You realize it is Oda himself who never paired Luffy with a swordsman and the one time he did, he was eating biscuits?
Plot babysitted Luffy because Lucci was barehanded, you dont need 4k Dorikki to mincemeat Luffy.
At the same time, plot babysits Luffy's opponents by keeping them away from Zoro because they wouldnt look as mighty against a real beast.