One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

Shanks and WB clashed only with a single move, doesnt stop it from being a clash...

Luffy was able to use haki and wasnt in seastone and wanted to save Kidd and Killer. If you want to play trashing game, I am sure I can play it better so I suggest to stop thinking too much about pointless clashes and instead let Wano arc speak for itself.

Queen stopped a hakiless base punch from Luffy, not a big deal... An enraged was nonchalantly blocked and stopped by someone who wish him no ill will.... has much bigger implications

The difference is clear. Wano has already been speaking for itself.

 

[M3J]

Or he cant actually handle those which I mentioned and conveniently goes after others who fit his combat style better.

More often than not, Luffy goes after those that none of his crew can handle. This was shown in Skypia and voiced out loud by various characters in Enies Lobby.

As far as I remember, Das Bonez was probably the only person that Luffy didn't stand a chance against.

Remember when Hannibal Psyque used what happened in the future as an argument for current events?

I remember him talking about consistency and all that crap, as if Oda didn't change things up from time to time.

 

[albertwv]

Not really. Always equally with each other. Their rivalry is Naruto and Sasuke type to one up the other. Sanji been stronger than him at times as well Zoro. It's back and forth between them.

Yes Zoro is right-hand to Luffy, but Luffy see Sanji as his left-hand. They are Gaban and Rayleigh to Luffy's Roger. The dynamic is there is what I am saying.

--- Double Post Merged, May 15, 2020, Original Post Date: May 15, 2020 ---

Your being copy version of Nik first time I seen you and you do know doing more harm by calling him 'Zolo', right?

Also it's still Luffy > Jimbei = Sanji > Zoro. Performance and Feats talk and ignorant to say Zoro is stronger than them when he been hype tool by 4 of his fights. The moment he lost badly to Hawkins and Nerf Kamazou while Sanji beaten PO easily takes away Zoro saying he much stronger. He isn't as few overhype him like you were with Nik when we first talk. You doing again still in your post as PO is above Hawkins and Kamazou. Sanji dominated him and he was out for 2 weeks. Zoro couldn't with neither to send them packing and one of them was nerf. That's just facts. Not saying Zoro won't get stronger, but your lying to say those 2 especially a nerf one is stronger than one of 6 candidates who have a right to fight for All Star position.

ZoLo didn't lose to Hawkins, what manga are you reading the one where Sanji is the MC? LOL you're just another Nik but for Sanji. All you have is Sanji possibly defeating Page 1, that is the only feat and that is Sanji with Raid Suit. Sanji himself said it, thanks to the RS he has a power up. Take away the suit and have regular Sanji he would have a harder time agaisnt P1. Outcome of the fight between Sanji and P1 is still UNKNOWN. All we know is that a day or two later Sanji is fine and running away from Drake. 2 weeks later P1 is finally shown again with no injuries. I'm not saying P1 won or LOST but we can't just conclude "Sanji won easily".

The Flying6 have a right to challenge the All Stars but that doesnt mean they are as strong as the All Stars. Kid challenged Kaido, Luffy challenged BM and Kaido, Moria challenged Blackbeard does that mean they are as strong as them? Cmon man you make it too easy.
BTW, the only 2 who seem to want to challenge the All Stars were Sasaki and Who's Who, maybe those 2 might be as strong, doubt it but not Page 1. If anything Page 1 could be the weakest among them and not be all that as you make him be. How do you know he was out for 2 weeks, Oda just didn't want to show him again for whatever reason.

Hawkins and Killer/Kamazo are pretty strong, not YC level but still strong maybe upper VA level. I don't overhype ZoLo like how you overhype Sanji. Im not Nik where I think ZoLo > everyone else. It just has been shown since Arlong Park that Luffy takes on the strongest, ZoLo the 2nd strongest, and Sanji the 3rd strongest. Even if the difference between the 2nd and 3rd is small. That is how Oda has always depicted them. ZoLo will always be a LITTLE stronger than Sanji. You are the only one who won't accept it.

oh and ZoLo ZoLo ZoLo ZoLo ZoLo ZoLo ZoLo....... thats just me trolling with you. Lol how do I do more 'harm' by calling him ZoLo. LOLOLOLOL I grew up with the ENG DUB so what if I prefer ZoLo over Zoro. If you want to call Straw Hat Mugiwara go ahead It won't bother me.

 

[Fox666]

Luffy lose to Queen in G4 despite being as strong at Katakuri? Lol no

We don't know how strong Queen is.

 

[M3J]

Also, I don't see why Queen is being compared to Katakuri. Katakuri is way different from Queen, it seems so far, as Queen wasn't able to use Future Sight like Katakuri while Katakuri didn't take attacks as well as Queen. Luffy would struggle differently, if he struggles at all against Queen.

 

[roggie]

I'm sorry to tell you guys, but Zoro is powering up as we speak. The dude is a beast! That emma slash of his is about to rock your world. And he didn't even open his left eye yet!

 

[Fox666]

I'm sorry to tell you guys, but Zoro is powering up as we speak. The dude is a beast! That emma slash of his is about to rock your world. And he didn't even open his left eye yet!

One Piece is not Naruto. Zoro is blind, not hiding a secret magical eye. :/

 

[nik87]

Queen stopped a hakiless base punch from Luffy, not a big deal... An enraged was nonchalantly blocked and stopped by someone who wish him no ill will.... has much bigger implications
The difference is clear. Wano has already been speaking for itself.

As I said, I wish I could skip to the end of the arc just to see the reactions when people realize that I have been right the entire time.

More often than not, Luffy goes after those that none of his crew can handle. This was shown in Skypia and voiced out loud by various characters in Enies Lobby.

As far as I remember, Das Bonez was probably the only person that Luffy didn't stand a chance against.

I remember him talking about consistency and all that crap, as if Oda didn't change things up from time to time.

Enel is proof that Zoro cant handle Luffy's opponents? He isnt... Luffy just happened to be a natural counter for Enel.
Zoro couldnt handle Lucci? With Asura he would have one shotted him in a single move, like anyone else... The very next arc Asura is going through Pacifista which is far tougher than Lucci and while Zoro is in terrible condition.

 

[jaymizzo]

As I said, I wish I could skip to the end of the arc just to see the reactions when people realize that I have been right the entire time.

Nope, that is not how being right works. You are wrong today, yesterday and all those times before Wano ends.

When Wano ends, it would be foolish to claim that someone at the end of an arc, was as strong as at the start or even before that. This isn't OneSword man. Zoro would even fail at that as he has 3.

You wont be right at the end of Wano because that's just natural progression in a shounen.

 

[nik87]

Nope, that is not how being right works. You are wrong today, yesterday and all those times before Wano ends.

When Wano ends, it would be foolish to claim that someone at the end of an arc, was as strong as at the start or even before that. This isn't OneSword man. Zoro would even fail at that as he has 3.

You wont be right at the end of Wano because that's just natural progression in a shounen.

At the end of Wano arc you will have a clear picture of what Zoro was capable off during all this time so hold your horses.

 

[Mwhitt]

I'm sorry to tell you guys, but Zoro is powering up as we speak. The dude is a beast! That emma slash of his is about to rock your world. And he didn't even open his left eye yet!

I wonder why Zoro sports a scar over that God eye as opposed to a Konoha head band. Just seems so inconvenient lol

 

[M3J]

Enel is proof that Zoro cant handle Luffy's opponents? He isnt... Luffy just happened to be a natural counter for Enel.
Zoro couldnt handle Lucci? With Asura he would have one shotted him in a single move, like anyone else... The very next arc Asura is going through Pacifista which is far tougher than Lucci and while Zoro is in terrible condition.

Yes. Apart from Buggy and Hodi, who can Zoro take on? Definitely not Crocodile, definitely not Enel, definitely not Doflamingo, most likely not Katakuri, and definitely not Moria and Oz. Luffy's devil fruit is why only he can handle most of the bosses that he fights.

I'll take the characters saying none of them but Luffy could handle Lucci. The next arc, Zoro couldn't even hurt Kuma and gave up the fight to save Luffy. Arc after that, he was useless against the Pacifista, and it took all of the Straw Hats fighting to even take one out.

Otherwise up to Buggy, Zoro could have handled Luffy's opponents and could have beaten drugged up Hodi and probably Caesar as well.

I wonder why Zoro sports a scar over that God eye as opposed to a Konoha head band. Just seems so inconvenient lol

Because it looks cooler, you loser!

 

[nik87]

Yes. Apart from Buggy and Hodi, who can Zoro take on? Definitely not Crocodile, definitely not Enel, definitely not Doflamingo, most likely not Katakuri, and definitely not Moria and Oz. Luffy's devil fruit is why only he can handle most of the bosses that he fights.

I'll take the characters saying none of them but Luffy could handle Lucci. The next arc, Zoro couldn't even hurt Kuma and gave up the fight to save Luffy. Arc after that, he was useless against the Pacifista, and it took all of the Straw Hats fighting to even take one out.

Otherwise up to Buggy, Zoro could have handled Luffy's opponents and could have beaten drugged up Hodi and probably Caesar as well.

Why wouldnt Zoro be able to take on Crocodile? Because he is intangible? That wasnt a problem for Luffy, why would it be a problem for Zoro?
Enel isnt helping you. Luffy didnt stand a chance against Enel because of his strength but thanks to the accident of eating the right fruit. Give immunity to electricity to Zoro and he can beat Enel. The one shot ability of Enel was literally useless against Luffy, that's no proof of Luffy>Zoro. Try something else.
Doflamingo is an easy fight for Zoro since all his strings will simply be minced whether it is awakening or not. An Admiral was needed to protect him from Zoro.
Katakuri isnt a trouble either for someone who has powerful AoE's and lethality high enough to one shot Katakuri. Luffy's fault his AoE is crap...
Moriah? The fool who defeated himself? Is unbeatable for Zoro? Lol...
Luffy couldnt beat Oz either, not even with Nightmare form which isnt thanks to his abilities. Not sure how is this supposed to help you.
Zoro's swords are far more effective than Luffy's fruit. His fruit was only effective against Enel since it is a natural counter.

The characters never said that Luffy is the only one who can handle Lucci. Zoro's Asura one-shots Lucci without a doubt.
Against Kuma, he was already at his limit, it doesnt help you...
He wasnt usless against Pacifista, he has effectively cut through it and it is tougher than Lucci.
Lol, you seriously underestimate Zoro. Wano will interesting awakening for you.

 

[thedude]

Yes, Luffy had a fight with Cracker and what did he do? Nothing, for 11 hours. With Nami's help and Hommies under her control. How did he beat Cracker?
By doing nothing except being a fat ball of biscuit mash that cant even move from the spot. If that is proof of Luffy dealing with swordsmen, that's great for u.
So, your point that Zoro never faced anyone close to momma's boy worth 860mil has been proven wrong and now you complain?

You want to change from faced into defeated, fine by me. You will have to wait after Wano because Luffy's greatest feats come from an arc where Zoro wasnt even present. You are welcome to write off WCI and compare until then, be my guest. In case you didnt realize that same Monet came closer to killing Luffy than your boy Cracker. I am not trying to demean Cracker's DF, it is an awesome counter for Luffy's ability. However, it is no challenge against Zoro.

Cracker's swordsmanship was used for entire 3 panels, that's it when it comes to Cracker's swordsmanship, rest if clapping his hands. That's what happens when you fight someone who prefers to attack with biscuits than with his sword. Yes, Luffy cant fight swordsmen and in case you still didnt realize, Luffy did nothing to defeat Cracker aside from being a fat dump of biscuit mash. Eating biscuits with Nami's help and being fat is proof of Luffy handling swordsmen?

"Zoro fights only people who fight like him." Someone didnt read the manga. Zoro is not fighting in his comfort zone, he fights weapon users because they are the only ones who stand a chance against him otherwise they get trashed instantly. Why would Oda waste characters on Zoro to trash them in a single page when he can use them against Luffy or Sanji and make the fight chapters long...


Yes, you did. Cracker only works for my argument that Luffy cant handle swordsmen. He didnt do anything to Cracker, he had 0 answers. And all of that is with Nami's and Hommies help who were babysitting him when his G4 expires and he ends up helpless. Again, thanks for reinforcing my argument.
Yontoryu vs Santoryu. Do you understand now?

correct your sentence. "He attack Luffy with 8 biscuits at a time..."
A guy so strong who hides behind his biscuits because he dislikes pain with the main biscuit so strong to withstand G3 which is basically fodder tier in NW standard. Fodder Chinjao was going against a lot stronger G3 move... Without G4, Luffy is nothing in the New World.


Shigan is a pistol that uses a finger instead of a bullet. This isn't a punch. Whether you shoot that bullet at 4000km/h or at 2200km/h, the result is the same.
It makes a hole for the length and thickness of the finger and that's it. It's not like Kaku was missing physical strength to make holes in Zoro which is what your precious Dorikki represents lol.

Go re-read before you talk please. Biscuit gave his first armor 8 arms and attacked Luffy with 8 Swords. Luffy blocked them with haki.

Energy is directly related to velocity. Kinetic Energy = 1/2 m v^2. So, lets say they were 100Kg each for simplicity. IF one shigan is traveling 2000KM an hour, the kinetic energy released is 200,000,000 joules. If it is traveling at 4000KM an hour, it is 800,000,000 joules. So double the speed, 4X the energy. Lol, do you think bullets are all the same?

 

[nik87]

Go re-read before you talk please. Biscuit gave his first armor 8 arms and attacked Luffy with 8 Swords. Luffy blocked them with haki.

Energy is directly related to velocity. Kinetic Energy = 1/2 m v^2. So, lets say they were 100Kg each for simplicity. IF one shigan is traveling 2000KM an hour, the kinetic energy released is 200,000,000 joules. If it is traveling at 4000KM an hour, it is 800,000,000 joules. So double the speed, 4X the energy. Lol, do you think bullets are all the same?

You should go re-read but not sure if it will help... I'll lend you a hand - swords of biscuit soldiers are biscuits, not actually swords. So - 8 biscuits.
If Lucci and Kaku fired a pistol, would Lucci's travel at twice the speed because he is physically twice stronger?

 

[thedude]

As I said, I wish I could skip to the end of the arc just to see the reactions when people realize that I have been right the entire time.

Enel is proof that Zoro cant handle Luffy's opponents? He isnt... Luffy just happened to be a natural counter for Enel.
Zoro couldnt handle Lucci? With Asura he would have one shotted him in a single move, like anyone else... The very next arc Asura is going through Pacifista which is far tougher than Lucci and while Zoro is in terrible condition.

We can see how you react to past arcs, so it's clear at the end of this arc you'll just invent something that didn't happen.

 

[nik87]

We can see how you react to past arcs, so it's clear at the end of this arc you'll just invent something that didn't happen.

Sadly for you, I didnt invent anything.

 

[thedude]

You should go re-read but not sure if it will help... I'll lend you a hand - swords of biscuit soldiers are biscuits, not actually swords. So - 8 biscuits.
If Lucci and Kaku fired a pistol, would Lucci's travel at twice the speed because he is physically twice stronger?

Crackers swords and everything else about him were hard enough to withstand gear 4 haki punches. They weren't soft biscuits. Like i said, please actually read the damn manga.

Dude, it's straight up science. Lucci and Kaku's shigan travels based on their strength level, so Lucci's will have more power/energy. Unless you think that despite being 2X stronger, Lucci limits his attacks to Kaku's top level? Lol, keep digging...

 

[roggie]

One Piece is not Naruto. Zoro is blind, not hiding a secret magical eye. :/

You clearly underestimate ma boi Kenpachi Zoro. Just don't come complaining after.

And we need to take a moment to applaud Oda. To make believable Zoro is not a steamroller ready to obliterate his captain enemies. Must been hard.

But not even him won't be able to keep Zoro's power in the shadows after Wano. Good luck to manage that in this state of negation of yours, dear fellas

 

[nik87]

Crackers swords and everything else about him were hard enough to withstand gear 4 haki punches. They weren't soft biscuits. Like i said, please actually read the damn manga.

Dude, it's straight up science. Lucci and Kaku's shigan travels based on their strength level, so Lucci's will have more power/energy. Unless you think that despite being 2X stronger, Lucci limits his attacks to Kaku's top level? Lol, keep digging...

It is ok, you were wrong and cant admit it. Luffy was attacked by 8 biscuits, not by 8 swords. Move on...

Having twice the physical power allows you to me your hand twice faster? I'm sure the science can easily prove that wrong. Besides, Zoro took 3x Shigan...