Games Mafia Game 82 - Yu-Gi-Oh! - End Game

[Elusia]

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for.

First, the playerlist:

And the game actions:

Spoiler: Day and Night Actions

D1: N/A
N1:

Priority 1
Juviii (Prostitute) >>> desin24 >>> success!

Priority 2
Demonspeed (Sane Det) >>> Holt >>> success! >>> innocent
BlackTiger (Insane Det) >>> Takuan >>> success! >>> guilty
MarmaladeSky (Investigator) >>> N/A
BD_Beno (Spy) >>> Holt >>> success! >>> gets nothing
James Rye (Spirit Medium) >>> N/A
Takuan (Sane Doc) >>> N/A
MUIMadara (Sane Doc) >>> BD_Beno >>> success!
digitaldude (M. Det) >>> BD_Beno >>> success! >>> Spy

Priority 3
Gajeel (M. Boss) >>> N/A
desin24 (M. Janitor) >>> Holt >>> fails!
GrySun (M. Strongman) >>> N/A
Asako (Serial Killer) >>> MarmaladeSky >>> success!

D2: N/A
N2:

Priority 1
Juviii (Prostitute) >>> Holt >>> success!

Priority 2
Demonspeed (Sane Det) >>> Asako >>> success! >>> guilty (still dead tho. rip)
BlackTiger (Insane Det) >>> Demonspeed >>> success! >>> guilty
BD_Beno (Spy) >>> Juviii >>> success! >>> targeted Holt
James Rye (Spirit Medium) >>> N/A
Takuan (Sane Doc) >>> N/A
MUIMadara (Sane Doc) >>> James Rye >>> success! (nice)
digitaldude (M. Det) >>> Juviii >>> success! >>> Prostitute

Priority 3
Gajeel (M. Boss) >>> Demonspeed >>> success!
desin24 (M. Janitor) >>> N/A
GrySun (M. Strongman) >>> N/A
Asako (Serial Killer) >>> James Rye >>> fails!

D3: N/A
N3:

Priority 1
Juviii (Prostitute) >>> GrySun >>> fails!

Priority 2
BlackTiger (Insane Det) >>> GrySun >>> success! >>> innocent!
BD_Beno (Spy) >>> Belserion >>> success! >>> gets nothing
Takuan (Sane Doc) >>> N/A
MUIMadara (Sane Doc) >>> Seraph >>> Fails!
digitaldude (M. Det) >>> MUIMadara >>> success! >>> Doctor

Priority 3
Gajeel (M. Boss) >>> N/A
desin24 (M. Janitor) >>> N/A
GrySun (M. Strongman) >>> Seraph >>> success! (the power of the strongman for ya lol)
Asako (Serial Killer) >>> N/A

D4:
Evil3ye got lynched in D2. He comes back in D4. (welcome back!)
Holt uses Prosecutor role on DD. It fails as he died from the cowboy card (press F)

N4:

Priority 1
Juviii (Prostitute) >>> N/A

Priority 2
BlackTiger (Insane Det) >>> MUIMadara >>> success! >>> guilty
BD_Beno (Spy) >>> GrySun >>> fails due to cointoss!
Takuan (Sane Doc) >>> BD_Beno >>> success!
MUIMadara (Sane Doc) >>> Evil3ye >>> success!
digitaldude (M. Det) >>> N/A

Priority 3
Gajeel (M. Boss) >>> Juviii >>> success!
desin24 (M. Janitor) >>> N/A
GrySun (M. Strongman) >>> N/A

D5: N/A
N5:

Priority 2
BlackTiger (Insane Det) >>> desin24 >>> success! >>> innocent
Takuan (Sane Doc) >>> BlackTiger >>> success!
MUIMadara (Sane Doc) >>> digitaldude >>> success!
digitaldude (M. Det) >>> N/A

Priority 3
Gajeel (M. Boss) >>> N/A
desin24 (M. Janitor) >>> Takuan >>> success!

D6: N/A
N6:

Priority 2:
BlackTiger (Insane Det) >>> N/A
MUIMadara (Sane Doc) >>> N/A

Priority 3
Gajeel (M. Boss) >>> Evil3ye >>> success!
desin24 (M. Janitor) >>> N/A

D7: N/A
N7:

Priority 2
BlackTiger (Insane Det) >>> N/A

Priority 3
desin24 (M. Janitor) >>> Blacktiger >>> success! (congrats!)

In conclusion: lol mechanic.
If you guys want the Card and SC day/night actions, ask @uberfayt \o/
Thanks for playing!


Co-host thoughts coming soon!

 

[GrySun]

What if,

Beno is a legit Townie Spy,DD is a Mafia Apprentice and has a Mafia Detective on his Team. The Det. told him at N1 or N2 that Beno is a Spy. All those days till now we only saw DD claim he is active,no hints no anything. With a Mafia Det. on his team telling him of a Spy in the fray he could easily fake becoming one. Since he'd only need to say "I learned from X twice and i am now Spy",naturally the targetted Player will confirm it and clear the result instantly. DD walks out fine and we feel compelled to trust him. Meanwhile DD actually became a Strongman,Pirate,a Bomb or whatever. Its Mafia Basics to claim something close to your actual role to not get confused or slip up majorly,the closest to the M. Apprentice is the Town Apprentice.

This doesn‘t explain anything, it‘s just a basic M. Det play. What comes after? You think we‘d trust him enough to not bother asking for his Spy results? Or that a townie wouldn‘t confirm/deny his results?

 

[digitaldude]

Honestly I could only see santa claus being a tp in this game. Did anyone recieve presents hmmm.

 

[Seraph]

This doesn‘t explain anything, it‘s just a basic M. Det play. What comes after? You think we‘d trust him enough to not bother asking for his Spy results? Or that a townie wouldn‘t confirm/deny his results?

He continously claims to be blocked,like i said,i see no reason to trust him just yet because he got a target right. Neither should any of you,but somehow you do.

 

[Holt]

What about this is hard or "foolish"? He essentially needs to fake 1 target/result. Once he "becomes a Spy" he can just claim to have been blocked for the next Nights. There,cleared identity.

And yeah,i keep going back to this because unless any of you can safely say there is no M. Det then i see no reason to believe otherwise right now.

Juviii could be the M.Det for all we know and she checked your role Holt last night. We don't know who her N1 Target is,so my theory remains alive unless we learn who or what.

Lol because you can't keep claiming blocked when there are more important roles out. Including the other spy. Come on...

Seraph, you've drawn up a narrative in your head, and you're sticking stubbornly with it on zero basis. Quick question then, what exactly do you want us to do? Lynch him?

 

[GrySun]

Because Juviii and desin gave Sera SC that's why. Plus Juviii didn't paniced when Beno said he saw her targeting Holt, instead she tries to pry into Holt who holds firmly against that. I would believe an active one over an passive one anytime because an active one has actions to answer for and if Juviii were to target somebody who died she would have a hard time to justify her action whereas a passive has no action he or she could answer for. Like how could Bel prove to us she is really BP without a Det? She can't! Simple as that. But with the RR card she can prove she is townie by losing her role and becoming cowboy instead!

As for the 2 SM, I think it is because uber was avoiding prostitute and escort and didn't wanted to give too many roles that are only one time in the game. By having copies he provides push for the players to sacrifice their roles and use their SC for the card game thus making his card mechanic working. Otherwise we just keep buying negate cards and that's it and that would be reaaaaaaaaaaaally boring and most likely not what uber had in mind when he created this card system. Right @uberfayt ?^^

That‘s it? If I give my only point to Seraph does that make me somehow trusted? It‘s just 1 point, what was a mafia gonna do with that?
Is she supposed to start screaming in the thread and call him a liar or what do you mean with she didn‘t panic? She went silent.

I like how you repeat the passive-active thing as your own words after asking me last day and me telling you the same thing.

So it‘s just sacrificial meat? He could‘ve put a passive role like r. Spirit for it then, some garbage someone will throw away. Nobody is throwig away SM before they can start checking at least a good target.

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Yes, that's what I have been saying as well. They play very secretive when usually they are much more hardcore on finding mafia or confirming townies. So they should support my decision to die today if it confirms Asako.

I certainly support you dying today yes

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I multiple times said I am active NIGHT role but juvii never added it.
Also mafia detective only learns after night ends he cant tell his team, so if I was mafia apprentice I would know only night 1 which is enough I guess. Still I can confirm myself as townie tonight.

Simple codes for sharing results, aren‘t they done every game?

 

[James Rye]

This was a long read
First of all james, no way I sacrifice my role and leave my confirmation in your hands, I prefer to leave it to seraph hands as he will be confirmed
You could easily lie
Second about bel, if she is BP why in the name of god could she sacrifice her role when it means mafia will worry about who they use their strongman on, she should keep it as even if one get it with RR it goes in the next day
BP one of the roles that should never be sacrificed
In fact it's possible if she sacrifice it mafia will have no problem using strongman on seraph that will have doc protection ruining the sacrifice plan tomorrow
Don't think mafia will have any reason to kill both me or you considering we top suspect especially when there spy and doc running around
Also everyone should seriously reveal considering we have those roles out in the op
All the roles that are important are out I don't see any reason why you could keep hiding behind "oh no, I don't wanna now"

And seraph about DD I mean a sane spy the result is impossible hard to fake, you know yourself what happen last game when you did it
I doubt anyone could be that foolish to try it after what just happen

What, why?
I will DIE today!
My death will CONFIRM you!
How could you still not trust me when I sacrificed my role with 2 RRs in-game and pushing everyone to give Seraph their SC?

Btw please sponsor Seraph with your remaining SC, I am sure you got some left, right?^^

If I were lying I would not want to die first!
I would not want to be confirmed first by Seraph!
But I was fine with both!
And you were fine to be confirmed by me tomorrow when I got confirmed by Seraph!
If I die today as townie, and I will because I am roleless now, then you are so dead tomorrow because everyone will then say "no way two SM is a thing, Asako was lying and she even refused to sacrifice her role yesterday, time to lynch her" and when you sacrifice yourself Mafia will argue that using RR on you is a waste as we already know that you are Mafia Scum.
Please Asako!
If Seraph can become immune to kills for one night with Bel then me confirming you today with my death is our best play as town!
Please sacrifice yourself, please believe me, please don't make me waste 12 SC (6 for buying this RR Card and 6 for losing my life today after my sacrifice was in vain) because that would be playing into the Mafia hands!

Also Mafia most likely used their Strongman on Demon already! They can't know if Madara didn't protected Demon last night!
Bel coming out as BP just means someday she gonna get framed by Mafia and you know that! If Bel can keep Sera safe for one more night after we most likely lose a doc or spy tonight then all the better for town as it gets Bel confirmed and Sera safe until day 5.
Please Asako! I am not pulling your leg! I really was Spirit Medium and I can prove you are one as well as long as you sacrifice today! Why the hell would I want a SM to lose their role if I was Mafia and have to die for it? I am gaining nothing for my team with that! If I was Mafia I would have pushed Taku into sacrificing again to "confirm" his doc role to DESTROY a doc role with RR!!! That is what RR is!
A way for Mafia to destroy "good townie roles" and a way for Town to confirm "not so important townie roles" like SM is one of them!
PLEASE BELIEVE ME!

 

[Holt]

He continously claims to be blocked,like i said,i see no reason to trust him just yet because he got a target right. Neither should any of you,but somehow you do.

Any role can do this...det, doc, spy etc. Anyone can claim to keep getting blocked. Doesn't mean we'll just buy it but again, what exactly are you suggesting?

 

[Seraph]

Lol because you can't keep claiming blocked when there are more important roles out. Including the other spy. Come on...

Seraph, you've drawn up a narrative in your head, and you're sticking stubbornly with it on zero basis. Quick question then, what exactly do you want us to do? Lynch him?

The other Spy isn't immortal,he can get killed and there goes any insurance.

He can keep claiming that or he proves himself somehow,in which case,trust him. Like i said before,keep him alive,we gotta lynch one of the 2 SMs today or we will give the Mafia another pass.

I haven't drawn any BS schemes or accusations together,i haven't voted anybody yet so i'm not sticking with anything. I'm drawing up a picture with roles i believe to be in the game,which is not that different from what others would do. I'm acknowledging possiblities,all kinds of possibilities because after the Town having done its best to self destruct i'm tired of just giving each claim and reasoning a pass. Even moreso when i don't even know if i make the night today. Doesn't look like either of our protectors has a cleared sanity nor any Bodyguard in this game to guard me,but with a possible Strongman around that goes out the window anyway.

 

[digitaldude]

That‘s it? If I give my only point to Seraph does that make me somehow trusted? It‘s just 1 point, what was a mafia gonna do with that?
Is she supposed to start screaming in the thread and call him a liar or what do you mean with she didn‘t panic? She went silent.

I like how you repeat the passive-active thing as your own words after asking me last day and me telling you the same thing.

So it‘s just sacrificial meat? He could‘ve put a passive role like r. Spirit for it then, some garbage someone will throw away. Nobody is throwig away SM before they can start checking at least a good target.

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I certainly support you dying today yes

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 7, 2020 ---

Simple codes for sharing results, aren‘t they done every game?

Hmm a code so I was told day phase the results?

 

[Asako]

I'm leaving soon as I back to studying for the missed month cuz if corona, will be back in 2 hour and so
But what happen when an insane doc and a sane doc protect the same person and the insane doc flip kill while the sane doc there
I'm asking because of taku assuming he insane
This is just in case one block one doc and kill seraph as if mafia have an escort they could block the one known doc (you really shouldn't have revealed mui that you doc and stayed hidden but whatever)
I don't like the fact you announced taku that you will not protect seraph as that make mafia predict your movement, you should have stayed silent even if you weren't going to protect him as that make mafia fear the option of killing seraph cuz doc, well they can consider using strongman but then they have to worry about never being able to killing bel

 

[GrySun]

That's also what i thought as well. Seraph having so much in his hands will lead Mafia to target him for sure.

Yes, i said i wouldn't target him. Are you being serious right now? I don't even know my sanity and you want me to target the most powerful and most confirmed man in town ? You can't be for real right now. I really can't understand you.

How I am for real? How are you for real? Who assumes they‘re Insane Doc when they get Doc? Do you believe Mui being a 2nd Doc, in a game with 18 players and only 1 killing party? Why are you now being like James, not doubting your duplicate other at all.

You‘ll turn his odds of death from 50% to 100% but sure imagine that you‘re somehow doing the right decision. You can target me, I don‘t care. Either you‘re full of BS or Mui is, at this point.

 

[James Rye]

@GrySun Well, you haven't. Just do it. Give Seraph a SC today and if his count does not make what he was supposed to get we know some of the donors were lying!

Problem is their Escort can just block whoever you say like Beno, then you also don‘t get anything. Should decide on your own, many active players to pick from. If you’re legit then with Seraph, you, Beno and Evil we already got a big confirmed town team tomorrow.

There is no Escort and there is no prostitute.
Why should uber make a game where in the first 2 nights there were over 6 blocks with 2 role blockers and 4 attack blocks?
You make so no sense with that claim!

If James even is a Mafia,he could always be a gutsy TP for all we know. I only know that one of these "2" SMs needs to die today otherwise we won't have peace at mind. I need some kind of protection tonight because i fear i am dying next,although my role itself would hold no merit to the Town other than being a confirmed Player.

I don't care what you think I am, you will see I am town when I die.
But if I die like this it means wasting 12 SCs.
It means the RR going to the shop. It means a HUGE delay of confirming townies. It means Mafia will have a much easier time preventing town from getting my RR unless town keeps crowdfunding you or Evil and they will always try to mess with that crowdfunding because it is a great tool for town to gather their SC power in one person and get powerful cards that way.
I already took so many risks to get 6 SCs to prevent Mafia from getting it first.
I was ready to be confirmed by you meaning I would sign my own death sentence if I were not-Townie.
I am ready to die today!
Why is nobody believing me, what is going on, I don't understand, my plan makes sense, it makes sense, it makes sense and yet people are still not fully behind it...

Could you at least sacrifice your role now Sera so you can use PoM tomorrow? Please at least do that so that I know you get a lot of SC tomorrow...

 

[GrySun]

What about this is hard or "foolish"? He essentially needs to fake 1 target/result. Once he "becomes a Spy" he can just claim to have been blocked for the next Nights. There,cleared identity.

And yeah,i keep going back to this because unless any of you can safely say there is no M. Det then i see no reason to believe otherwise right now.

Juviii could be the M.Det for all we know and she checked your role Holt last night. We don't know who her N1 Target is,so my theory remains alive unless we learn who or what.

Honest question to you, and to @Takuan : why are there 2 SMs in a 18 player game with 1 killing party???? And 2 Doctors, Hider, Bulletproof too.

 

[Holt]

I'm leaving soon as I back to studying for the missed month cuz if corona, will be back in 2 hour and so
But what happen when an insane doc and a sane doc protect the same person and the insane doc flip kill while the sane doc there
I'm asking because of taku assuming he insane
This is just in case one block one doc and kill seraph as if mafia have an escort they could block the one known doc (you really shouldn't have revealed mui that you doc and stayed hidden but whatever)
I don't like the fact you announced taku that you will not protect seraph as that make mafia predict your movement, you should have stayed silent even if you weren't going to protect him as that make mafia fear the option of killing seraph cuz doc, well they can consider using strongman but then they have to worry about never being able to killing bel

Insane doc is P2 when killing.

 

[James Rye]

I'm leaving soon as I back to studying for the missed month cuz if corona, will be back in 2 hour and so
But what happen when an insane doc and a sane doc protect the same person and the insane doc flip kill while the sane doc there
I'm asking because of taku assuming he insane
This is just in case one block one doc and kill seraph as if mafia have an escort they could block the one known doc (you really shouldn't have revealed mui that you doc and stayed hidden but whatever)
I don't like the fact you announced taku that you will not protect seraph as that make mafia predict your movement, you should have stayed silent even if you weren't going to protect him as that make mafia fear the option of killing seraph cuz doc, well they can consider using strongman but then they have to worry about never being able to killing bel

Asako please! If you are really SM you would be okay with sacrificing it to get a Mafia, me, lynched today and to confirm yourself! And you get the points to become cowboy! Please believe me! I was telling the truth about my role and I can prove you were doing the same! PLEASE

 

[GrySun]

You still didn't prove how his plan is anti-town.
Again, if we don't lynch him, Seraph will confirm him next day anyway. If all of this was just an incredibly risky mafia play in order to be put in the spotlight heavily and survive ONE more day, then we just kill him next day. In any case, if he truly is Mafia, why would he do all this ?

Ok let me walk you through the steps.

1. Get town to gather all SC on one player. Extra points if that town then also uses Pot of Memes to gather even more SC onto him.
2. Nightkill the townie.
3. „OH NO! The one guy who could confirm me, the one guy we gave all SC in the world to, is dead! How could this happen?! Docs???“

Bonus points for neither of our „2“ Docs protecting Seraph at night, Ayyyyyyyy.

 

[digitaldude]

Honest question to you, and to @Takuan : why are there 2 SMs in a 18 player game with 1 killing party???? And 2 Doctors, Hider, Bulletproof too.

2 sm and investigator. Innocent child with jesus...dunno this game kinda weird.

 

[James Rye]

Ok let me walk you through the steps.

1. Get town to gather all SC on one player. Extra points if that town then also uses Pot of Memes to gather even more SC onto him.
2. Nightkill the townie.
3. „OH NO! The one guy who could confirm me, the one guy we gave all SC in the world to, is dead! How could this happen?! Docs???“

Bonus points for neither of our „2“ Docs protecting Seraph at night, Ayyyyyyyy.

That
doesn't
make
any
sense
Sera can use the pot only next day phase and only if he were to sacrifice himself today. He has no PoM yet! What you are talking about is something that were to happen in night 5, not night 4 which is the next one and where Sera could only get SCs from us and not from the PoM as he has none and didn't failed his sacrifice yesterday as he didn't sacrificed his role yesterday.
You are talking BS that isn't even on the table, Gry!

 

[GrySun]

D).
If I am Mafia why am I okay with dying today, Gry? It makes no sense, I should try to live for as long as I can

Your readiness to die is sure having quite the opposite effect on some players wanting to let you live. Who‘d have thought it turns out like that?

Even if it only gives you 1 more phase, if you‘re Escort or M. Det or even unused Strongman the extra nightpase is amazing for you.

 

[Seraph]

Honest question to you, and to @Takuan : why are there 2 SMs in a 18 player game with 1 killing party???? And 2 Doctors, Hider, Bulletproof too.

Counter question: Where do you see me believing that there are 2 SMs in this game? I outright said i want one of them dead today,and not just once but multiple times.

I also never said i trust the other Doc claim,other than the SC Transfer i haven't gotten much out of MUI this far.

So what exactly do you want from me now Gry? I'm remaining on a Neutral Ground but leaning in favor of lynching one of the SMs,what else do you want me to do really?

I gave observations and theories of my own but so far that has been only brushed off because it is so unlikely to happen.

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@James Rye Why do you keep telling me to sacrifice? I told you i can't. I don't need to sacrifice for a PoM either,what's going on here now lol.