Discussion Conqueror's Haki Breakdown

[Shasha23]

The only people in the crew that will have CoC are Luffy, Zoro, Yamato and Usopp the rest wont, since they dont have the disposition of a ruler, they are just followers.
Sanji is too weak willed to have CoC and has shown many times over that he doesnt have the same trong will as other CoC users or those with the potential to have it, i mean from his intro he was a man willing to give up his dreams since they were impossible for him and only started changing his thanks to Zoro and Luffy who showed him what it means to follow your dreams, i just cant see someone with such a weak will being a conqueror.

 

[King Moe]

The only people in the crew that will have CoC are Luffy, Zoro, Yamato and Usopp the rest wont, since they dont have the disposition of a ruler, they are just followers.
Sanji is too weak willed to have CoC and has shown many times over that he doesnt have the same trong will as other CoC users or those with the potential to have it, i mean from his intro he was a man willing to give up his dreams since they were impossible for him and only started changing his thanks to Zoro and Luffy who showed him what it means to follow your dreams, i just cant see someone with such a weak will being a conqueror.

Yamato is not on the crew, so again nice headcannon and if fainter like Zoro can get it, then Sanji can since he has more traits to get it than Zoro honestly. Nice bait, but we all know Zoro is least with traits to get it, but we can acknowledge he will get it. Luffy, Sanji, Usopp, and Jimbei will get it for sure while Zoro is maybe factor, but I do know there be more than one than just Captain to have it overall. They have proven their strong-wills and in their fights, but Zoro lately shown to be underperforming as of late with his 'weak-will' after all. Also stop using debunked and past stuff to push that when Sanji is deep with his dreams and Zoro did same thing on putting his dreams away to Kuma to help Luffy, so your hurting your agenda by saying that.

 

[M3J]

Obviously they get it given if Strawhats going to surpass the Roger Pirates eventuality, they have to be stronger and do more than them. Sanji and Zoro will unlock theirs, but then again on argument on first mates, we don't see Macro, King, or Ben Beckenman having it though, but could be shown later, but hard to say. I wouldn't use that always factor for first mate to have it as it's more the different traits on why they get it. Luffy will have total of 4 or 5 COCs under his belt given Roger have many under his being Rayleigh, Gaban (Possiblity given how Gaban shown traits of COC), Oden, Bullet, and Shanks. It be weird if Luffy remained only one to have it as I can respect Oda want to push Luffy on him being unique one to have it, but given what crew will later face and they building more notoriety, it workout to have more COCs in Strawhat crew in the end.

Apart from Marco, we've never really seen the other two in action or doing anything that would require CoC or to show off, so who knows. It would be weird though, if Kaidou's top commanders can't use CoC.

It does make more sense to have more Straw Hats be able to use CoC, and it'll likely happen.

 

[King Moe]

Apart from Marco, we've never really seen the other two in action or doing anything that would require CoC or to show off, so who knows. It would be weird though, if Kaidou's top commanders can't use CoC.

It does make more sense to have more Straw Hats be able to use CoC, and it'll likely happen.

Macro could have it as maybe in the upcoming fight we will see, but still unknown. There is a good chance King and Queen could have it given how they are treated and have traits of having one as even Queen knew Luffy has COC, so could push he got it as much while still need more on King.

True. Want them be several to have it down the line, so hope Sanji and Zoro do get it while Usopp is also choice to happen. Debating if Jimbei can get it, but seems like he reach Prime of his power already, so future crew member could have it instead or both will.

 

[Fox666]

All CoC users have the theme of royalty around them.

Examples: The Four Emperors, Doflamingo was a Tenryuubito, Rayleigh was called the "Dark King", Sengoku is based on the monkey king story, etc.

Based on that, it's more than obvious that King and Queen are CoC users.

Of the Strawhats with known origins, we have Sanji who is a prince, and Brook who is called the "Soul King".

 

[nik87]

All CoC users have the theme of royalty around them.

Examples: The Four Emperors, Doflamingo was a Tenryuubito, Rayleigh was called the "Dark King", Sengoku is based on the monkey king story, etc.

Based on that, it's more than obvious that King and Queen are CoC users.

Of the Strawhats with known origins, we have Sanji who is a prince, and Brook who is called the "Soul King".

I am sure royalty has nothing to do with CoC. How many of the royals gathered at Revery have CoC?
None? 1? 2?

 

[Fox666]

I am sure royalty has nothing to do with CoC. How many of the royals gathered at Revery have CoC?
None? 1? 2?

All apples being fruits doesn't mean all fruits are apples.

Also it's more of a meta thing. It's like the CP9 having an animal theme.

 

[nik87]

All apples being fruits doesn't mean all fruits are apples.
Also it's more of a meta thing. It's like the CP9 having an animal theme.

Royalty is not a requirement for CoC.
Those who have CoC end up rising to status which can be considered as royal or they get a nickname which in one way or another alludes to the conqueror.

Shanks is no royalty.
Luffy is no royalty.
Rayleigh is no royalty.
Boa was no royalty until she took over the throne.
Whitebeard is no royalty.
Ace is no royalty.
Chinjao is no royalty.
Kidd is no royalty.
Sengoku is no royalty.
Big Mom was no royalty until she built Totland.
Kaido is no royalty.
Roger is no royalty.

 

[King Moe]

Royalty or Infamous Bloodline are significant traits for COC users as majority have that around we we can name around.

 

[kkck]

I wouldn't go as far as saying that there can't be a genetic component to conqueror's haki. Genetics have a role to play in the story after all. The world is lead by the descendants of kings from 800 years ago, marines hunt down descendants of enemies... We have seen plenty of instances of powerful people producing powerful children. All of big mom's children are essentially superhuman for instance, even if not all are exactly strong by new world standards. Kaido had one daughter and she is monstrously strong. Garp, dragon and luffy... 3 consecutive generation of people with the potential to duke it out with the world's top tiers... Ace had the potential to be PK. But it is important to note that even if there is a genetic component to conqueror's haki, it is by no means a guarantee that being someone's descendant means you have conqueror's haki as well. Feats and strength are irrelevant to whether you have it or not. Because there are way many more strong people that don't have it than those who do.

The only trait which I think might be relevant to identifying a conqueror haki user... is someone's capacity to gather followers. That IMO is more relevant than strength, feats or genetics.

 

[M3J]

How many Ds have CoC?

 

[Fox666]

Shanks is no royalty.

He's an Emperor.

Plus we don't know yet why he meet with the Gorosei.

Luffy is no royalty.

He will be the next Pirate King.

Rayleigh is no royalty.

He's called the "Dark King".

Boa was no royalty until she took over the throne.

Still she's a queen.

Whitebeard is no royalty.

He's an Emperor.

Ace is no royalty.

He's the son of the Pirate King.

Chinjao is no royalty.

I'm not sure about Chinjao, but apparently he arrange weddings for his children, which implies he's a ruler of sort.

Kidd is no royalty.

I don't know about Kidd.

Sengoku is no royalty.

Sengoku character is based on Sun Wukong ("Monkey King").

Big Mom was no royalty until she built Totland.

Still she's an Emperor.

Kaido is no royalty.

He's an Emperor.

Roger is no royalty.

He's the Pirate King.

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How many Ds have CoC?

Of the 10 known D, 3 have CoC.

While Blackbeard, Dragon or Xebec have not been confirmed, of course they do too.

 

[goldb]

The only trait which I think might be relevant to identifying a conqueror haki user... is someone's capacity to gather followers. That IMO is more relevant than strength, feats or genetics.

I'd add not only someone's capacity to gather followers but their own ambition for greatness, whichever way they perceive it. Seeing as using CoC is essentially overwhelming your opponent with your willpower...

Of the 10 known D, 4 have CoC.

While Dragon or Xebec have not been confirmed, of course they do too.

Who's the 4th? I've got Roger, Ace and Luffy. For the life of me I can't think of a 4th one. I know people like Garp, Dragon and Xebec haven't been confirmed in the manga or additional material, for the first two it's likely because Oda is saving it for the story or something.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't get why some of you are expecting Zoro and/or Sanji to get CoC. They all trained for two years, if they were part of the few with it they would have awakened it already IMO. Neither have shown that they are particularly charismatic either.

Only SHs who were leaders before joining are Franky and Jinbei. The latter doesn't have it and the former isn't a Haki user. Maybe Yamato will join but I don't expect her to have CoO. I can see Momo having it though, but not Hiyori.

 

[Nie Li]

I don't get why some of you are expecting Zoro and/or Sanji to get CoC. They all trained for two years, if they were part of the few with it they would have awakened it already IMO. Neither have shown that they are particularly charismatic either.

Only SHs who were leaders before joining are Franky and Jinbei. The latter doesn't have it and the former isn't a Haki user. Maybe Yamato will join but I don't expect her to have CoO. I can see Momo having it though, but not Hiyori.

In my case I expect Zoro to eventually get CoC because of both his personality and the parallelisms with Rayleigh's position in the Pirate King's crew.

The two years of training itself is meaningless in this specific context since I believe it was Rayleigh who explained that every person in the world already has the two normal types of haki, they just don't know how to use it (so they have it in a latent way, I guess), and while those two types of haki can be trained and strengthened through said training, CoC can't. It will just awaken when it awakens, if it ever does, and then it still can't be strengthened through training (although it seems one can gain control over it).

 

[nik87]

I don't get why some of you are expecting Zoro to get CoC.

He clearly implied that he already has it back in Fishman Island besides standing atop of all swordsmen makes him a conqueror.
Exerting his willpower over others easily fits Zoro, his willpower is said to be above Luffy's at the start of the series.
On the other hand, if he is stepping into Ryuma's footsteps, being a king is something below being a sword god.

 

[Nie Li]

He clearly implied that he already has it back in Fishman Island

Wait, what?

 

[nik87]

Wait, what?

If Luffy didnt have CoC, why would Zoro take over as a captain?
Luffy was captain just fine in the first half of the voyage, why is he suddenly needing CoC to stay captain?

 

[Demonspeed]

In my case I expect Zoro to eventually get CoC because of both his personality and the parallelisms with Rayleigh's position in the Pirate King's crew.

The two years of training itself is meaningless in this specific context since I believe it was Rayleigh who explained that every person in the world already has the two normal types of haki, they just don't know how to use it (so they have it in a latent way, I guess), and while those two types of haki can be trained and strengthened through said training, CoC can't. It will just awaken when it awakens, if it ever does, and then it still can't be strengthened through training (although it seems one can gain control over it).

I always thought that people tried way too hard to find parallels between the new and old generation TBH. I honestly don't see Zoro as Rayleigh 2.0 but I understand it.

I am pretty sure that CoC can be trained. Luffy wasn't able to use CoC consistently before his training with Rayleigh. We also saw a new application of CoC through Big Mom when she used it to destroye projectiles with her voice. Just like Advanced CoO and CoA, there must be advanced CoC techniques.

I wouldn't say that these years of training are meaningless. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are the only ones who learned to use CoA and CoO, while the others can't use it at all. I think that if Zoro and Sanji were supposed to have it, they would have awakened and learned to use it at a basic level just like Luffy after these years.

After the basics there are also advanced techniques/specialization, Zoro is better at CoA and Sanji at CoO, but their feats in that department haven't been impressive while Luffy now has Future Sight and advanced CoA. If there is anyone among the SHs who can awaken CoC, I think it's Franky because he is not a Haki user yet and was actually a leader, but I don't expect him to have it.

He clearly implied that he already has it back in Fishman Island besides standing atop of all swordsmen makes him a conqueror.
Exerting his willpower over others easily fits Zoro, his willpower is said to be above Luffy's at the start of the series.
On the other hand, if he is stepping into Ryuma's footsteps, being a king is something beyond being a sword god.

I don't see it. We saw Luffy knocking people out under stress, same for Ace. There was nothing like that for Zoro AFAIR. To me, the greatest indicator to know if someone has CoC is his charisma.

 

[Nie Li]

I always thought that people tried way too hard to find parallels between the new and old generation TBH. I honestly don't see Zoro as Rayleigh 2.0 but I understand it.

I am pretty sure that CoC can be trained. Luffy wasn't able to use CoC consistently before his training with Rayleigh. We also saw a new application of CoC through Big Mom when she used it to destroye projectiles with her voice. Just like Advanced CoO and CoA, there must be advanced CoC techniques.

I wouldn't say that these years of training are meaningless. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are the only ones who learned to use CoA and CoO, while the others can't use it at all. I think that if Zoro and Sanji were supposed to have it, they would have awakened and learned to use it at a basic level just like Luffy after these years.

After the basics there are also advanced techniques/specialization, Zoro is better at CoA and Sanji at CoO, but their feats in that department haven't been impressive while Luffy now has Future Sight and advanced CoA. If there is anyone among the SHs who can awaken CoC, I think it's Franky because he is not a Haki user yet and was actually a leader, but I don't expect him to have it.

I'm only quoting what I remember Rayleigh explaining before he trained Luffy. CoC, according to him, can be strengthened, but not through training, instead more like... by improving your "disposition" or something? I don't know. Luffy's CoC didn't get much stronger than it was already at Marineford but what he did achieve is more control to use it freely without needing to be in a stressful situation and against specific opponentes with precision, so that's why I think its control can be trained, rather than its power, which just evolves naturally along with the character's "disposition", whatever that is.

The standard two types of haki can certainly be trained and have many stages to them, no discussion there. We will see just how impressive or underwhelming Zoro and Sanji's displays are when the fighting finally starts in this arc.