Fantasy Laxus Dreyar vs Spriggan

[Ramen]

Is he strong enough to resist her timestop? Partial END was.

Yea, that's where he stops IMO too

Why does he stop at GS?

 

[grey matter]

Why does he stop at GS?

1. I believe he's Gildarts tier
2. He has lightning as one of his elements

 

[Ramen]

1. I believe he's Gildarts tier
2. He has lightning as one of his elements

1) So is Laxus.
2) RL would bypass that.

 

[Tirl]

1. I believe he's Gildarts tier

If he is Gildarts tier than others spriggans too, than when Laxus oneshoted Ajeel and Wahl he also oneshoted Gildarts tier mages than he could beat Gildarts low diff. Just like that if you think he is Gildarts tier, which wasnt ever stated in the manga

 

[grey matter]

1) So is Laxus.
2) RL would bypass that.

IMO Gildarts would mid-high diff Laxus, and extreme diff Serena.
Why? It's just stronger lightning. At the very least, Serena will have resistance to it.

If he is Gildarts tier than others spriggans too, than when Laxus oneshoted Ajeel and Wahl he also oneshoted Gildarts tier mages than he could beat Gildarts low diff. Just like that if you think he is Gildarts tier, which wasnt ever stated in the manga

I believe Serena is a special Spriggan. Not like August or Eileen, but like Larcade. So, no. When Laxus one shotted Ajeel (nvr happened, but by hype yeah) and Wahl, it doesn't imply he one shotted Gildarts tier mages.

Whatever little feats he got were impressive. He absolutely demolished a Makarov tier mage (weakened Makarov needed FDKM punch from Natsu, same attack that one shotted Jacob) and three mages tiers above that; while holding back. He gave team Natsu some trouble briefly and tussled with Gildarts with a fraction of his power. and And Gildarts hyped him up as a serious challenge to him at full power

 

[Ramen]

Why? It's just stronger lightning. At the very least, Serena will have resistance to it.

Because it was called lightning that surpasses lightning. It killed someone like Wahl who was immune to it. Someone who just has resistance like GS is going to take a beating.

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IMO Gildarts would mid-high diff Laxus, and extreme diff Serena

Meh, I disagree but GS is an enigma. You can put him in a lot of places I think. Where you have him isn't too bad.

 

[grey matter]

Because it was called lightning that surpasses lightning. It killed someone like Wahl who was immune to it. Someone who just has resistance like GS is going to take a beating.

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Meh, I disagree but GS is an enigma. You can put him in a lot of places I think. Where you have him isn't too bad.

Isn't that because Wahl is inherently weak to lightning? Once Laxus bypassed the immunity, Laxus basically fired a super effective attack on him. Also, we don't know how durable Wahl is, because he was immune to Laxus' magic all along.

I understand. To me at least, it seemed that Mashima was trying to show Serena as a special and powerful among the Spriggans, but he screwed him over so badly that we can't know for sure. We never saw the guy go all out in his full power.

 

[Ramen]

IMO Gildarts would mid-high diff Laxus, and extreme diff Serena.
Why? It's just stronger lightning. At the very least, Serena will have resistance to it.



I believe Serena is a special Spriggan. Not like August or Eileen, but like Larcade. So, no. When Laxus one shotted Ajeel (nvr happened, but by hype yeah) and Wahl, it doesn't imply he one shotted Gildarts tier mages.

Whatever little feats he got were impressive. He absolutely demolished a Makarov tier mage (weakened Makarov needed FDKM punch from Natsu, same attack that one shotted Jacob) and three mages tiers above that; while holding back. He gave team Natsu some trouble briefly and tussled with Gildarts with a fraction of his power. and And Gildarts hyped him up as a serious challenge to him at full power

Let's be fair..... Makarov is far above Jura. He's also stronger than Warrod. He's probably stronger than Hyberion and Woloheim as well.

Gildarts would hype anyone from FT up though. He believes they're all strong mages.

Now did he tussle with Gildarts, like a 2 min exchange with Gildarts holding back? Ye.... But again, Gildarts was holding back.

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Isn't that because Wahl is inherently weak to lightning? Once Laxus bypassed the immunity, Laxus basically fired a super effective attack on him. Also, we don't know how durable Wahl is, because he was immune to Laxus' magic all along.

I understand. To me at least, it seemed that Mashima was trying to show Serena as a special and powerful among the Spriggans, but he screwed him over so badly that we can't know for sure. We never saw the guy go all out in his full power.

He took H2H hits from Laxus no problem. If it bypasses immunity, it'll deal damage to resistance.

 

[grey matter]

Let's be fair..... Makarov is far above Jura. He's also stronger than Warrod. He's probably stronger than Hyberion and Woloheim as well.

Gildarts would hype anyone from FT up though. He believes they're all strong mages.

Now did he tussle with Gildarts, like a 2 min exchange with Gildarts holding back? Ye.... But again, Gildarts was holding back.

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He took H2H hits from Laxus no problem. If it bypasses immunity, it'll deal damage to resistance.

Makarov was getting mid diff'd by base Hades (before his heart gave away). I consider base Hades as somewhere between Warrod and Wolfheim (headcanon, IK). Sooo.......idk.
I just consider Jura to be Makarov tier, because Jura is now presumably holding same rank as Makarov, and because IMO Laxus reached Makarov level by GMG too. Laxus held his own against Hades, like Makarov did but a bit less, which means the gap between them wasn't too big in Tenrou. 3 months of training should've closed that gap.

I meant Gildarts hyped up Serena.

Yes. But he manage to match him in physical strength (the clash blew back Wendy, Natsu and Gray...tho they were in base), and by the end of the fight did manage to give him minor injuries. Yes, Gildarts was having fun, but Serena did all this with a fraction of his full power. Considering all that, it's pretty impressive IMO.

Yea, but that's without magic.
See, Wahl's immunity to lightning is a result of him using it in his circuits. He has no resistance to lightning or it's properties. Once he cannot absorb it, then the attack is as good as any other, if not super effective.
DS have elemental resistance. It's quite different.
Either way, it doesn't matter IMO. If Serena has resistance it's mid diff, or else it's high diff.

 

[Ramen]

Makarov was getting mid diff'd by base Hades (before his heart gave away). I consider base Hades as somewhere between Warrod and Wolfheim (headcanon, IK). Sooo.......idk.

Yea.....I don't know about that. Hades has feats. Hades is above any Wizard Saint.

I just consider Jura to be Makarov tier, because Jura is now presumably holding same rank as Makarov, and because IMO Laxus reached Makarov level by GMG too. Laxus held his own against Hades, like Makarov did but a bit less, which means the gap between them wasn't too big in Tenrou. 3 months of training should've closed that gap.

But Jura never acknowledged himself as being a peer with Makarov. Plus, Makarov has done far more. His MP surpasses anyone on Ishgar.

Yes. But he manage to match him in physical strength (the clash blew back Wendy, Natsu and Gray...tho they were in base), and by the end of the fight did manage to give him minor injuries. Yes, Gildarts was having fun, but Serena did all this with a fraction of his full power. Considering all that, it's pretty impressive IMO.

Meh....Gildarts was barely trying. He didn't even acknowledged Serena because he was dead. He matches like 2 punches in physical strength, you have to agree that if fight kept going, Gildarts would stomp with his fists.

Yea, but that's without magic.
See, Wahl's immunity to lightning is a result of him using it in his circuits. He has no resistance to lightning or it's properties. Once he cannot absorb it, then the attack is as good as any other, if not super effective.
DS have elemental resistance. It's quite different.
Either way, it doesn't matter IMO. If Serena has resistance it's mid diff, or else it's high diff.

Yea, his durability shows. Serena hasn't shown that much durability feats either. He might have resistance, but he's going to get overpowered. Especially since we've seen that even guys who resistance get can overpowered by their own element like Natsu and Gray. Laxus also struggled with lightning in a filler episode. Serena at this point imo get's mid diffed. Laxus in every aspect outclasses him.

GS would still slaughter like 99% of Ishgar. Guys like Gray and Mira, I don't see them surpassing him until the EOS. He can definitely solo Diabolos (except Wraith), and there are those who I don't think will ever surpass him like Rogue and Kagura.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Laxus doesn't stop at Brandish. A higher chance is that Laxus will bed Brandish before even the fight started. I doubt Brandish has even seen a specimen like Laxus in Alvarez.

 

[Tirl]

His MP surpasses anyone on Ishgar

Makarov's best spell is just a few km. Warrod's casual tree was 2000 km long. Makarov is nothing now, doesnt matter what Natsu thinks about him

 

[Ramen]

Makarov's best spell is just a few km. Warrod's casual tree was 2000 km long. Makarov is nothing now, doesnt matter what Natsu thinks about him

One FL (which is based on MP) took out 80% of Alvarez's army. Size does not matter.

Makarov would still destroy Warrod.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Size doesn't really matter in FT when your strongest attacks aren't even building level attacks. Only one who has stayed really consistent in PL level is Zeref.

 

[Tirl]

One FL took out 80% of Alvarez's army. Size does not matter.

It is speciality of Fairy Law - it beats who you considering an enemy and I doubt it could be blocked in any way except caster lost his magic power. So it is nothing special to beat low soldiers with such spell. If you drop 2000km tree, it would kill much more low lvl soldiers

 

[Ramen]

It is speciality of Fairy Law - it beats who you considering an enemy and I doubt it could be blocked in any way except caster lost his magic power. So it is nothing special to beat low soldiers with such spell. If you drop 2000km tree, it would kill much more low lvl soldiers

It can be blocked if you have much more MP. FL casted by Makarov wouldn't hurt Irene or August. It is special to be an old man with heart problems to kill 80% of an army of 1 million.

Warrod can't do that. He couldn't drop a 2000km tree on a GS who was using his bare fists at first. Size doesn't matter in FT.

 

[Tirl]

It can be blocked if you have much more MP. FL casted by Makarov wouldn't hurt Irene or August. It is special to be an old man with heart problems to kill 80% of an army of 1 million.

Warrod can't do that. He could drop a 2000km tree on a GS who was using his bare fists at first. Size doesn't matter in FT.

Literally - their MP are bigger than his so yes, he wont beat them. I said it.
Old man or not, heart or without - FL based only on MP. Give Romeo Makarov's mp and he will do the same. Also, I think Makarov could beat Irene with FL if it is she alone. Even with huge difference in mp lvl.

GS >>> Warrod in all stats, you dont understand? His tree cant do shit to him cuz GS is far stronger. GS is also stronger than Makarov, but he could nodiff him with FL 1 on 1.

 

[Ramen]

Old man or not, heart or without - FL based only on MP. Give Romeo Makarov's mp and he will do the same. Also, I think Makarov could beat Irene with FL if it is she alone. Even with huge difference in mp lvl.

Anyone could do that given Makarov's MP. His MP surpasses anyone. Makarov doesn't stand a chance against Irene. No debate needed there.

GS >>> Warrod in all stats, you dont understand? His tree cant do shit to him cuz GS is far stronger. GS is also stronger than Makarov, but he could nodiff him with FL 1 on 1.

And? Makarov >> Warrod lol.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

GS is also stronger than Makarov, but he could nodiff him with FL 1 on 1.

His tree has no feat. It was only used to move Natsu. Show me a feat for his tree. He himself has told he is not combat type. And Size means shit in FT.

 

[Tirl]

Makarov doesn't stand a chance against Irene

Reread. Then reread again a few thousand times.

And? Makarov >> Warrod lol.

You said Makarov's mp is biggest in Ishgar which is bs and has no proofs
Warrod mp >>> Makarov mp
And that doesnt mean Warrod can beat Makarov.