To me if you are just copying someone else magic you can't be called the King of Magic. It's like me doing someone else work and getting better marks than he is. It is same as cheating although I agree that is just part part of his part like most of the spriggans were meant to be. He is different than the other copy mages because unlike others he can instantaneous copy them which previous users of this magic had. We don't even whether he can retain the magic he copies. If he can retain any magic then he wouldn't have needed Brandish to shrink his wounds. There was nothing to suggest he can retain the magic he copies. Most of them are head canons. If he can't retain the magic how can you be called the king of something.
I agree that if he can't retain the magic then that's a bummer. It's very different to be able to copy it just for the duration of a fight than being able to properly rettain spells.
He did use some spells that we hadn't see him copy recently, like some barriers, but that could be just that spells that he has learned through normal means.
Still, what other kind of character would you say is more suited than him to be the king of magic? Other than perhaps Acnologia as someone who can just eat any spell or magic.
His ability of instantaneous copy and then performing techniques with the magic he copied that are actually more advanced than the techniques previously used against him (the fire dragon explosion he used on Natsu and the others and the ability to break himself down with Gildart's magic and reassemble at will) plus his huge pool of magic power are nothing sort of impressive, even if one can argue that copy magic isn't exactly the most original concept nor the coolest one.
I think that unless a character can achieve immortality like Zeref and then truly learns every single magic in the world, there's nobody more suited of the title than August.
Last time? What you talking about? Not that it matters, whatever it I did then I can do again with regularity.
Yeah? No one gave a damn about Erza releasing SO(or at least compared to all the people who hated Laxus vs Wahl), most people were hyped to see Minerva get trashed. In fact in the chapter thread the vote for "best moment in the chapter" went to Erza releasing SO lol. That's right, in the chapter called LAXUS VS JURA, Erza going SO got more votes for best moment than the Laxus vs Jura fight lol. I guess it's just because the fandom favors Erza over Laxus, as usual, it's rough being a Laxus fan...
Levi's book wouldn't make much sense in that case, would it? How would anyone know that no one could where it if no one ever tried in that time period? And why would anyone write a book on it?
It could be, and a single sword in Erza's arsenal could also be stronger than every lacrima combined, but it doesn't really matter. Being born talented, not being born sick, being enchanted by a dragon, having good genes, etc, it's all luck.
Simple, because against them he left because he couldn’t beat them. Perfectly relevant.
Hades stated just blocking it kills most people. He blocked the spell (Obvious explosion), he just can’t escape the status effect.
I think that’s and interesting way to try and minimize his impressive power and skill.
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I’m inclined to the side because of what I’ve seen. Which is amusing because I personally think it’s telling that you seem to have a thing against Laxus.
When he had literally just revealed him and his magic type? We have no idea how many opponents he faced in the wars and on his adventures. An him training is a stated fact. They’re even a volume worth of material about it. He could easily have gotten his hands on his grandfather’s spells. Again, it’s only retroactively that you can act like these are silly notions as opposed to plausible explanations.
Same thing for this.
Occams Razor. This is a one off claim from Laxus evil father. As opposed to multiple comments from multiple sources about the kind of power that runs in the family.
I dont have a thing against laxus. I have thing against supporting this bs gap theory between equals s class mages without any reasonable logic backimg it up.
Urm. Yes laxus could have gotten a powerful spell. But why one lightening that wahl wasnt immune to. This scream bs. Yuri nor training answers this. Thus logical explanation was asspull. And nearly everyone knew, except some who defends laxus no matter what.
There are people here who are still trying to give a reasonable explanation for laxus immunity to kiria hax. Sorry its plot driven. Pure bs nothing more.
To me if you are just copying someone else magic you can't be called the King of Magic. It's like me doing someone else work and getting better marks than he is. It is same as cheating although I agree that is just part part of his part like most of the spriggans were meant to be. He is different than the other copy mages because unlike others he can instantaneous copy them which previous users of this magic had. We don't even whether he can retain the magic he copies. If he can retain any magic then he wouldn't have needed Brandish to shrink his wounds. There was nothing to suggest he can retain the magic he copies. Most of them are head canons. If he can't retain the magic how can you be called the king of something.
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He did the something against Natsu and Others as well. Don't know what you are trying to prove here. He acknowledged their strengths and left.
So who cares. Makarov took far stronger spell than Laxus and didn't fall on his knees like Laxus did.
His power and skill is not the same as him being wise.
He left because of numbers only, as opposed to stating he didn’t think he could win and the numbers being an after thought.
He did, the way he blocked those spells with the 3 pillars was dope. I wish we had gotten to see more of Makarov’s Amaterasu spells. I hope we see more in the future as they seem to have become a staple for the FT Master to learn.
Wisdom has nothing to do with this point. An since losing a fight has nothing to do with wisdom, I don’t see what basis your using to argue this secular point. That being said. August has more combat experience, and magical experience than almost every other combatant on the field. You want me to believe a cocky 20 yr old who lost to Elfman, instead of the 90 year old Archmage who actually interacted with the spell. You have yet to make this make sense.
People been waiting for Natsu to surpass Erza since Phantom, and it's Erza's own fault for always wanking him lol. Not that I recall anyone being upset that she was still better.
Meh, i've always liked it. It dispells magic, so the teleporting shit Minerva used on her got cut. Also explains why it could hurt Ajeel.
All i remember people claiming how everyone would surpass erza because she is the only one who didnt get a powerup before SO
Nakagami was bs. I still havent figureed out how Nakagami even beat minerva
That last comment wasnt for you. Its just possibility. I not taking part in debate about laxus power source
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I dont have a thing against laxus. I have thing against supporting this bs gap theory between equals s class mages without any reasonable logic backimg it up.
Urm. Yes laxus could have gotten a powerful spell. But why one lightening that wahl wasnt immune to. This scream bs. Yuri nor training answers this. Thus logical explanation was asspull. And nearly everyone knew, except some who defends laxus no matter what.
There are people here who are still trying to give a reasonable explanation for laxus immunity to kiria hax. Sorry its plot driven. Pure bs nothing more.
You’ve literally made a point of how much you enjoy debating Laxus fans because you think he’s all hype. You are actively ignoring the times they were directly compared in the manga because it doesn’t fit your narrative. (Jura, hades, Demon Gates) There’s a reason so many people got the impression. Let’s not even ignore that the characters themselves don’t think they can take Laxus as a unit, and Erza wished for back up to make sure her goal was accomplished.
Why would a Lightning mage work to create a spell that works on people immune to lightning. That made no discernible sense dude? When the only thing we know about Laxus is he was training for the year, and they make a point of the Yuri flashback. It’s not like people created a theory out of thin air. Am clearly Hiro felt he needed to clarify.
I mean everything is plot driven. That being said, not a single illusion has been truly successful against Laxus all series. That needs no explanation.
He never left just because of numbers. Only after seeing Natsu and Erza's performance that he started to think about their chances. If he really cared about numbers he wouldn't have tried to take them on the first round as well.
Wisdom has nothing to do with this point. An since losing a fight has nothing to do with wisdom, I don’t see what basis your using to argue this secular point. That being said. August has more combat experience, and magical experience than almost every other combatant on the field. You want me to believe a cocky 20 yr old who lost to Elfman, instead of the 90 year old Archmage who actually interacted with the spell. You have yet to make this make sense.
It seems like you haven't heard about Irene or Zeref. Those two are the most magical experience during that war, not August. He would have easily tried to shield his comrade from harm like anyone from the good side too. Wisdom/ Intelligence has everything on the battlefield. Ability to make calculated decisions. August has neither of it. You expect to belive someone who can't one-shot Kiria can one-shot Ajeel
He never left just because of numbers. Only after seeing Natsu and Erza's performance that he started to think about their chances. If he really cared about numbers he wouldn't have tried to take them on the first round as well.
It seems like you haven't heard about Irene or Zeref. Those two are the most magical experience during that war, not August. He would have easily tried to shield his comrade from harm like anyone from the good side too. Wisdom/ Intelligence has everything on the battlefield. Ability to make calculated decisions. August has neither of it. You expect to belive someone who can't one-shot Kiria can one-shot Ajeel
So no difference from retreating from Team Natsu as opposed to just two of the siblings.
Again, I said almost anybody. Prove that statement bro. What makes you make this grandiose claim? An being as Kiria has been able to go toe-to-toe with DS amped Erza, yes. Since it’s more impressive than losing to Elfman.
People been waiting for Natsu to surpass Erza since Phantom, and it's Erza's own fault for always wanking him lol. Not that I recall anyone being upset that she was still better.
Meh, i've always liked it. It dispells magic, so the teleporting shit Minerva used on her got cut. Also explains why it could hurt Ajeel.
So no difference from retreating from Team Natsu as opposed to just two of the siblings.
Again, I said almost anybody. Prove that statement bro. What makes you make this grandiose claim? An being as Kiria has been able to go toe-to-toe with DS amped Erza, yes. Since it’s more impressive than losing to Elfman.
He mention being outnumbered against them as well. He left not just because of the siblings but since entire FT guild was there as well the defeats of wraith and Kiria also had a part in it.
Toe to toe. Post me of her going toe to toe. Do you know what toe to toe means? Once Erza took out the DS sword, she washed Kiria and she had to be saved by Skullion.
People been waiting for Natsu to surpass Erza since Phantom, and it's Erza's own fault for always wanking him lol. Not that I recall anyone being upset that she was still better.
Meh, i've always liked it. It dispells magic, so the teleporting shit Minerva used on her got cut. Also explains why it could hurt Ajeel.
Not just natsu mate. Literally everyone who was below erza
How can nakagami cut something when the holder doesnt even know where it is. Minerva could creat explosion anywhere she wants. What exactly is erza supposed to cut
You’ve literally made a point of how much you enjoy debating Laxus fans because you think he’s all hype. You are actively ignoring the times they were directly compared in the manga because it doesn’t fit your narrative. (Jura, hades, Demon Gates) There’s a reason so many people got the impression. Let’s not even ignore that the characters themselves don’t think they can take Laxus as a unit, and Erza wished for back up to make sure her goal was accomplished.
Why would a Lightning mage work to create a spell that works on people immune to lightning. That made no discernible sense dude? When the only thing we know about Laxus is he was training for the year, and they make a point of the Yuri flashback. It’s not like people created a theory out of thin air. Am clearly Hiro felt he needed to clarify.
I mean everything is plot driven. That being said, not a single illusion has been truly successful against Laxus all series. That needs no explanation.
yes, i enjoy that. Wondering if they have some thing reasonable. But alas
Jura was a good example compared to next two strongest kagura and Minerva (unfortunately you dont seems to follow it in Alvarez where its erza who is fighting irene and laxus is fighting a nobody) consistency please
Hades is a bad example.i dont see you comparing wrecked Alvarez laxus barely beating historia hades with erza vs irene for a comparison. Erza had already done more in tenrou arc than gildarts did. And gildarts couldn't even move
Demongate is a good example if you are stating tartarus erza is a tier above laxus or something along those line
Again you confuse erza with natsu. Unlike natsu she has no interest in beating laxus. If gray was with her. She most likely will ask gray to hold off laxus while she takes the orb. At the end, it was made clear that erza, who is very knowledgeable mage, believes and rightly so, that laxus was always below her. Laxus improved alot to match her in 100 year quest. That chapter made it clear
I dont get it. Natsu when trains, got stronger flames. He didn't get red flames which would bypass flame immunity. Laxus red lightning was created solely to handle wahl. That is very definition of ass pull. Also the rune thing was an asspull as well
Not just natsu mate. Literally everyone who was below erza
How can nakagami cut something when the holder doesnt even know where it is. Minerva could creat explosion anywhere she wants. What exactly is erza supposed to cut
Doubt it, no one gives a crap about Gray. Laxus was already perceived above at the start of the arc. The only characters I can picture people wanting to surpass her is Gajeel or Mirajane, mostly Mirajane. In fact they didn't even want Natsu to for the most part, they just expected him to due to Erza. Overall people have always been pretty satisfied with Erza's standing compared to the rest of the cast.
Minervas magic is visible and telegraphed, cutting it should be easy.
Doubt it, no one gives a crap about Gray. Laxus was already perceived above at the start of the arc. The only characters I can picture people wanting to surpass her is Gajeel or Mirajane, mostly Mirajane. In fact they didn't even want Natsu to for the most part, they just expected him to due to Erza. Overall people have always been pretty satisfied with Erza's standing compared to the rest of the cast.
Minervas magic is visible and telegraphed, cutting it should be easy.
not laxus
gray, gajeel and mira.
nope. look at the start of alverzec arc. people are waiting for erza to drop in power level. love those debate where GOI will redeam themselves and erza limit was shown in her fight against ajeel
which of course was followed by how many springgans can easily destroy deus sema and your point about metoer is more of a missle (with an explosive warhead) than a solid piece of magical rock
someone brought gray vs erza thread, which is amusing read as well
i dont know, erza couldnt see her explosions in the start. but how would one see it behind their head or between their legs.
not laxus
gray, gajeel and mira.
nope. look at the start of alverzec arc. people are waiting for erza to drop in power level. love those debate where GOI will redeam themselves and erza limit was shown in her fight against ajeel
which of course was followed by how many springgans can easily destroy deus sema and your point about metoer is more of a missle (with an explosive warhead) than a solid piece of magical rock
someone brought gray vs erza thread, which is amusing read as well
i dont know, erza couldnt see her explosions in the start. but how would one see it behind their head or between their legs.
That was the Alvarez arc, not GMG. Kyoka was the tipping point for a lot of Erza fans. After Tartaros Erza wasn't really the fan favorite anymore, though people still overall liked her about as much as most other characters. In Alvarez they didn't really want Erza to fall behind all those characters(except Mira), they just expected them to reach her level.
It's no different to any other attack, sometimes the attack hits you, sometimes you dodge. As for seeing behind her or seeing between her legs, meh, most anime characters have 360 vision when it's convenient for them. I doubt Minerva firing off a bomb behind Erza would make any sort of difference.
Relative to the important power scale of the show he has remained as such. Hence why the Madmole showing is such a big deal. It proves Ajeel wasn’t a fluke, though that solidifies that he lost to the weakest person chosen to go to Tenrou.
He mention being outnumbered against them as well. He left not just because of the siblings but since entire FT guild was there as well the defeats of wraith and Kiria also had a part in it.
Toe to toe. Post me of her going toe to toe. Do you know what toe to toe means? Once Erza took out the DS sword, she washed Kiria and she had to be saved by Skullion.
He left because of the siblings. That was his reason for breaking off that fight. His response wasn’t too numbers, it was to Kiria and Wraith both being defeated and feeling that Sticky Boy was struggling as well. He went for backup because their too powerful. Its what made him mention the BKC.
Which is her revealing the new DS sword amp, because Kiria broke her main sword in her red pants of fate. An when we come back they are still fighting and Erza is wearing other armor to avoid status issues, and employing the bonus effects the armor grants.
So it took DS flame empress armor to land that good blow. An she was still ready to fight after the fact. It’s Skullion who wants to leave. An Kiria is still ready to go then, and goes looking for the fight next chance she gets.
So yeah. Not really sure why people are retroactively acting like Kiria wasn’t a good challenge to Erza. An didn’t present as a decent rival up to and until Laxus dealt with her so easily.
Not just natsu mate. Literally everyone who was below erza
How can nakagami cut something when the holder doesnt even know where it is. Minerva could creat explosion anywhere she wants. What exactly is erza supposed to cut
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yes, i enjoy that. Wondering if they have some thing reasonable. But alas
Jura was a good example compared to next two strongest kagura and Minerva (unfortunately you dont seems to follow it in Alvarez where its erza who is fighting irene and laxus is fighting a nobody) consistency please
Hades is a bad example.i dont see you comparing wrecked Alvarez laxus barely beating historia hades with erza vs irene for a comparison. Erza had already done more in tenrou arc than gildarts did. And gildarts couldn't even move
Demongate is a good example if you are stating tartarus erza is a tier above laxus or something along those line
Again you confuse erza with natsu. Unlike natsu she has no interest in beating laxus. If gray was with her. She most likely will ask gray to hold off laxus while she takes the orb. At the end, it was made clear that erza, who is very knowledgeable mage, believes and rightly so, that laxus was always below her. Laxus improved alot to match her in 100 year quest. That chapter made it clear
I dont get it. Natsu when trains, got stronger flames. He didn't get red flames which would bypass flame immunity. Laxus red lightning was created solely to handle wahl. That is very definition of ass pull. Also the rune thing was an asspull as well
I mean, if you’ve convinced yourself there was never a power gap, despite what’s been said and shown in the manga. What good point were you waiting to hear bro?
Again, ignoring the actual points I make. Did I not say several times that I feel like her battle against Irene served the same purpose as Laxus duel with Jura? Showing beyond the shadow of a doubt that Erza by series end is on that same tier as Laxus and Gildarts? That was the purpose of her fighting the strongest female Alvarez had. An if not for the POFness of her Goku tribute it would have succeeded? It was clearly to show off her strength. Just like having Laxus slap around a Spriggan strong enough to be one two teams, who was also completely immune to his magic. Where do you see a lack of consistency?
Why would I make that comparison? They aren’t fighting the same opponent. An when are you going to accept that most of the best fears in shounen come at the end of arc? Erza does her best work then. An since healthy Erza struggled with Azuma, why would we think she could have done better against Hades? Did I miss a battle somewhere? Did she do anything comparable to Bluenote? She needed all of her squad to challenge Hades, war arc or not. Laxus didn’t. The burden of showing different is on you here.
Erza struggled with every demon she met. Laxus 1 shot the demon with the best durability. An was intended to beat him again, after he showed he was comparable to LFD Natsu, while on his proverbial death bed. The only person who looks tiers above here is again Laxus.
Nobody brought up Natsu. Stick to the point,Erza clearly said she needed help before she stepped to Laxus. It destroys any idea that she thought herself superior as she clearly acknowledges that the only way she can ensure victory is with help. An since she didn’t land any major blows until she enchanted their magic into her swords, she was right. What you could argue is that she had no idea the gap was that large, that’s supported by what she says. You can’t argue she really thought herself superior.
So, that’s all the dialogue. Now I can certainly understand making the argument that Erza didn’t think their was a gap. What about this gives the impression Erza thought herself superior? What part of this supports the idea that Erza thought Laxus was way weaker than her? Cause it looks like someone who thought they had been standing abreast this whole time and discovers that she needs every amp and Trump card she can grab and still came up short.
An here we have you coming at Laxus for no reason again. What would be the natural progression of making lightning stronger? It being strong enough to be effective against things it wouldn’t have been strong enough to mess with before. An can I mention that Natsu’s flames already burn other flames. An this series is literally setting him up to get flames that burn things flames can’t burn (Ignia and Mercphobia ringing any bells my friend?) An since we’ve seen Laxus do light magic, enchantment, thought projection, and other spells. Why wouldn’t Freed, who we all know is in love with him, not teach him a spell to use in case his debilitating disorder acts up in a life or death battle. Nobody would have ever considered that I’m the year he was training to be strong enough to protect the guild. That’s what I mean with the Laxus hate.
That was the Alvarez arc, not GMG. Kyoka was the tipping point for a lot of Erza fans. After Tartaros Erza wasn't really the fan favorite anymore, though people still overall liked her about as much as most other characters. In Alvarez they didn't really want Erza to fall behind all those characters(except Mira), they just expected them to reach her level.
It's no different to any other attack, sometimes the attack hits you, sometimes you dodge. As for seeing behind her or seeing between her legs, meh, most anime characters have 360 vision when it's convenient for them. I doubt Minerva firing off a bomb behind Erza would make any sort of difference.
Relative to the important power scale of the show he has remained as such. Hence why the Madmole showing is such a big deal. It proves Ajeel wasn’t a fluke, though that solidifies that he lost to the weakest person chosen to go to Tenrou.
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He left because of the siblings. That was his reason for breaking off that fight. His response wasn’t too numbers, it was to Kiria and Wraith both being defeated and feeling that Sticky Boy was struggling as well. He went for backup because their too powerful. Its what made him mention the BKC.
Which is her revealing the new DS sword amp, because Kiria broke her main sword in her red pants of fate. An when we come back they are still fighting and Erza is wearing other armor to avoid status issues, and employing the bonus effects the armor grants.
So it took DS flame empress armor to land that good blow. An she was still ready to fight after the fact. It’s Skullion who wants to leave. An Kiria is still ready to go then, and goes looking for the fight next chance she gets.
So yeah. Not really sure why people are retroactively acting like Kiria wasn’t a good challenge to Erza. An didn’t present as a decent rival up to and until Laxus dealt with her so easily.
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I mean, if you’ve convinced yourself there was never a power gap, despite what’s been said and shown in the manga. What good point were you waiting to hear bro?
Again, ignoring the actual points I make. Did I not say several times that I feel like her battle against Irene served the same purpose as Laxus duel with Jura? Showing beyond the shadow of a doubt that Erza by series end is on that same tier as Laxus and Gildarts? That was the purpose of her fighting the strongest female Alvarez had. An if not for the POFness of her Goku tribute it would have succeeded? It was clearly to show off her strength. Just like having Laxus slap around a Spriggan strong enough to be one two teams, who was also completely immune to his magic. Where do you see a lack of consistency?
Why would I make that comparison? They aren’t fighting the same opponent. An when are you going to accept that most of the best fears in shounen come at the end of arc? Erza does her best work then. An since healthy Erza struggled with Azuma, why would we think she could have done better against Hades? Did I miss a battle somewhere? Did she do anything comparable to Bluenote? She needed all of her squad to challenge Hades, war arc or not. Laxus didn’t. The burden of showing different is on you here.
Erza struggled with every demon she met. Laxus 1 shot the demon with the best durability. An was intended to beat him again, after he showed he was comparable to LFD Natsu, while on his proverbial death bed. The only person who looks tiers above here is again Laxus.
Nobody brought up Natsu. Stick to the point,Erza clearly said she needed help before she stepped to Laxus. It destroys any idea that she thought herself superior as she clearly acknowledges that the only way she can ensure victory is with help. An since she didn’t land any major blows until she enchanted their magic into her swords, she was right. What you could argue is that she had no idea the gap was that large, that’s supported by what she says. You can’t argue she really thought herself superior.
So, that’s all the dialogue. Now I can certainly understand making the argument that Erza didn’t think their was a gap. What about this gives the impression Erza thought herself superior? What part of this supports the idea that Erza thought Laxus was way weaker than her? Cause it looks like someone who thought they had been standing abreast this whole time and discovers that she needs every amp and Trump card she can grab and still came up short.
An here we have you coming at Laxus for no reason again. What would be the natural progression of making lightning stronger? It being strong enough to be effective against things it wouldn’t have been strong enough to mess with before. An can I mention that Natsu’s flames already burn other flames. An this series is literally setting him up to get flames that burn things flames can’t burn (Ignia and Mercphobia ringing any bells my friend?) An since we’ve seen Laxus do light magic, enchantment, thought projection, and other spells. Why wouldn’t Freed, who we all know is in love with him, not teach him a spell to use in case his debilitating disorder acts up in a life or death battle. Nobody would have ever considered that I’m the year he was training to be strong enough to protect the guild. That’s what I mean with the Laxus hate.
well if there is nothing in manga, you cant blame me. gildarts nor marakrov nor natsu ever said laxus is stronger than erza. laxus never beat anyone erza couldnt
hold on hold on. why would fighting irene put her on laxus tier who fought wahl. i dont get this. wahl is an average springgan, irene is literally jura of the arc along with august.
erza in gmg beat two next strongest mages. and laxus beat jura. this to you showed laxus is in a different tier. ok this is fine
but in alverzec, where laxus just beat rufus of the arc, he is suddenly equal to someone who gave a extreme diff fight to jura of the arc.
i really dont follow this
if gmg erza is a teir below gmg laxus for beat kagura (who was in the list of two strongest opponent of Sabertooth along with jura ) and minerva (who spell had even jura stopping)
then alverzev laxus should be atleast a tier below alverzec erza as well for just beating a average opponent. while erza is openly overpowering irene top tier move
no. thats not true. laxus (who was the most fresh here) nor gajeel nor sting best feats were against aconologia (all these characters strongest spell were used against their arc opponents)
same for gray and erza and hell even lucy, best feats were not against hades
nope.
erza plays around with levy and lissana till they gave up
gildarts plays with natsu till he gives up
erza fights huge amount of soldiers
gildarts enjoy a nice sail
erza exchange one or two blows with meredy
gildarts enjoys a nice sail
erza gets hit by magical attacks like tower brust and 2 tera clemare (which by the way also had gildarts magic in it)
gildarts just gets punched and kicked by bluenote
erza beats azuma
gildarts beat bluenote what 30 seconds after azuma falls
erza is about to fight hades (and according to you she is near full power)
gildarts cant move (near zero power)
so i have already proven that tenrou erza is above tenrou gildarts. now why should i have to prove she is above lucy i mean laxus.
as for hades performance. erza performance was equal to lucy. barely any difference. come to think of it. this exactly like laxus and cobra having equal performance against aconologia. (and cobra isnt even mard tier)
urm are we talking about tartarus
didnt erza get tortured
then didnt she defeat demon minerva whose base form attack made even your jura stop in gmg
then didnt erza without any senses and with pain at max beat the strongest demon gate with power of another demon gate and enhancement curse on top of thats. yeah no, tartarus laxus has no hope of beating this erza.
i brought up natsu, because you seems to confuse them. erza has no interest in beating laxus. ok ok. if that is what is implied then why did laxus told erza to stop holding back. i mean if gray and gildarts fight, will gray hold back as well
well for one we know laxus is barely stronger than erza, right now. and erza is shocked at laxus strength to be able exhaust her. that kinda implies that laxus has improved alot to be on par with her.
why would she be shocked by laxus, who she thinks is stronger than herself, to barely beat her? this makes no sense. that is like gray being shocked at gildarts power after gildarts could barely exhaust gray
of course you can add laxus needed red lightening to match her in the last attack. while dragon seal isnt even a power up.
if you want to say dragon seal is a huge boost, you said despite what’s been said and shown in the manga. where did manga say ds seal is a power boost?
what?
this is the actual topic. that laxus red lightening affecting wahl being an asspull.
er what. this is completely different. if laxus had just gone king lightening dragon then overpowered wahl, then i would have agreed with you. red lightening is that lightening that wahl couldnt analyse. hell one could have made an argument back in alverzec that its might not even be laxus strongest move. that like flames natsu couldnt eat because it taste horrible (phantom arc)
no all those move were in someway linked to laxus lightening. other than fairy law. i havent seem erza using ice make, have you?
but i can go worse
you know hades, he actually taught all the 7 kins their magic. did you see him use those magic agiainst fairy tail. i mean time arc could have been super useful or maybe fire god slayer might have saved him from lfd natsu roar no?
jellal also never use anything other than his magic, atleast to get an advantage. even mystogan magic was only used to hide his identity.
this was the first time when a mage used another magic to win a fight. thus asspull. especially since you have hades and jellal not doing sh!t
He left because of the siblings. That was his reason for breaking off that fight. His response wasn’t too numbers, it was to Kiria and Wraith both being defeated and feeling that Sticky Boy was struggling as well. He went for backup because their too powerful. Its what made him mention the BKC.
He left for the same reason he left Natsu and Others as well. Because they were strong. Numbers didn't mean much to him since he was pretty much planning to take them on during their first fight and once Natsu and Erza damaged Madmole and Kiria badly. He is decided to retreat as he knew they were too strong for him. He wanted backup not to fight Mira and Elfman. He wanted backup to take on the dragon gods since they can't get the job done. He never left solely because of the siblings, he mentions them being outnumbered and the defeat of wraith and Kiria had part on it as well. He remarked entire FT as exceptional, not just those.
Which is her revealing the new DS sword amp, because Kiria broke her main sword in her red pants of fate. An when we come back they are still fighting and Erza is wearing other armor to avoid status issues, and employing the bonus effects the armor grants.
Kiria breaking her a sword means nothing. Even Minerva has accomplished that. As soon as Erza used her DS seal Kiria got washed away. Post something where she goes toe to toe with Erza other than getting her ass handed to her. Do u know what toe to toe means even?
So it took DS flame empress armor to land that good blow. An she was still ready to fight after the fact. It’s Skullion who wants to leave. A Kiria is still ready to go then and goes looking for the fight next chance she gets.
Relative to the important power scale of the show he has remained as such. Hence why the Madmole showing is such a big deal. It proves Ajeel wasn’t a fluke, though that solidifies that he lost to the weakest person chosen to go to Tenrou.
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He left because of the siblings. That was his reason for breaking off that fight. His response wasn’t too numbers, it was to Kiria and Wraith both being defeated and feeling that Sticky Boy was struggling as well. He went for backup because their too powerful. Its what made him mention the BKC.
Which is her revealing the new DS sword amp, because Kiria broke her main sword in her red pants of fate. An when we come back they are still fighting and Erza is wearing other armor to avoid status issues, and employing the bonus effects the armor grants.
So it took DS flame empress armor to land that good blow. An she was still ready to fight after the fact. It’s Skullion who wants to leave. An Kiria is still ready to go then, and goes looking for the fight next chance she gets.
So yeah. Not really sure why people are retroactively acting like Kiria wasn’t a good challenge to Erza. An didn’t present as a decent rival up to and until Laxus dealt with her so easily.
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I mean, if you’ve convinced yourself there was never a power gap, despite what’s been said and shown in the manga. What good point were you waiting to hear bro?
Again, ignoring the actual points I make. Did I not say several times that I feel like her battle against Irene served the same purpose as Laxus duel with Jura? Showing beyond the shadow of a doubt that Erza by series end is on that same tier as Laxus and Gildarts? That was the purpose of her fighting the strongest female Alvarez had. An if not for the POFness of her Goku tribute it would have succeeded? It was clearly to show off her strength. Just like having Laxus slap around a Spriggan strong enough to be one two teams, who was also completely immune to his magic. Where do you see a lack of consistency?
Why would I make that comparison? They aren’t fighting the same opponent. An when are you going to accept that most of the best fears in shounen come at the end of arc? Erza does her best work then. An since healthy Erza struggled with Azuma, why would we think she could have done better against Hades? Did I miss a battle somewhere? Did she do anything comparable to Bluenote? She needed all of her squad to challenge Hades, war arc or not. Laxus didn’t. The burden of showing different is on you here.
Erza struggled with every demon she met. Laxus 1 shot the demon with the best durability. An was intended to beat him again, after he showed he was comparable to LFD Natsu, while on his proverbial death bed. The only person who looks tiers above here is again Laxus.
Nobody brought up Natsu. Stick to the point,Erza clearly said she needed help before she stepped to Laxus. It destroys any idea that she thought herself superior as she clearly acknowledges that the only way she can ensure victory is with help. An since she didn’t land any major blows until she enchanted their magic into her swords, she was right. What you could argue is that she had no idea the gap was that large, that’s supported by what she says. You can’t argue she really thought herself superior.
So, that’s all the dialogue. Now I can certainly understand making the argument that Erza didn’t think their was a gap. What about this gives the impression Erza thought herself superior? What part of this supports the idea that Erza thought Laxus was way weaker than her? Cause it looks like someone who thought they had been standing abreast this whole time and discovers that she needs every amp and Trump card she can grab and still came up short.
An here we have you coming at Laxus for no reason again. What would be the natural progression of making lightning stronger? It being strong enough to be effective against things it wouldn’t have been strong enough to mess with before. An can I mention that Natsu’s flames already burn other flames. An this series is literally setting him up to get flames that burn things flames can’t burn (Ignia and Mercphobia ringing any bells my friend?) An since we’ve seen Laxus do light magic, enchantment, thought projection, and other spells. Why wouldn’t Freed, who we all know is in love with him, not teach him a spell to use in case his debilitating disorder acts up in a life or death battle. Nobody would have ever considered that I’m the year he was training to be strong enough to protect the guild. That’s what I mean with the Laxus hate.
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Tenrou for the people who went was more than two years ago and we know that most if not all are way stronger now than they were back then. Okay do you think Elfman is a weakling and why because it seems like that’s what you’re saying
turning point was tartaros, i thought it was tenrou, thats when asspull became the name of the game.
360 vision might explain it
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well if there is nothing in manga, you cant blame me. gildarts nor marakrov nor natsu ever said laxus is stronger than erza. laxus never beat anyone erza couldnt
hold on hold on. why would fighting irene put her on laxus tier who fought wahl. i dont get this. wahl is an average springgan, irene is literally jura of the arc along with august.
erza in gmg beat two next strongest mages. and laxus beat jura. this to you showed laxus is in a different tier. ok this is fine
but in alverzec, where laxus just beat rufus of the arc, he is suddenly equal to someone who gave a extreme diff fight to jura of the arc.
i really dont follow this
if gmg erza is a teir below gmg laxus for beat kagura (who was in the list of two strongest opponent of Sabertooth along with jura ) and minerva (who spell had even jura stopping)
then alverzev laxus should be atleast a tier below alverzec erza as well for just beating a average opponent. while erza is openly overpowering irene top tier move
no. thats not true. laxus (who was the most fresh here) nor gajeel nor sting best feats were against aconologia (all these characters strongest spell were used against their arc opponents)
same for gray and erza and hell even lucy, best feats were not against hades
nope.
erza plays around with levy and lissana till they gave up
gildarts plays with natsu till he gives up
erza fights huge amount of soldiers
gildarts enjoy a nice sail
erza exchange one or two blows with meredy
gildarts enjoys a nice sail
erza gets hit by magical attacks like tower brust and 2 tera clemare (which by the way also had gildarts magic in it)
gildarts just gets punched and kicked by bluenote
erza beats azuma
gildarts beat bluenote what 30 seconds after azuma falls
erza is about to fight hades (and according to you she is near full power)
gildarts cant move (near zero power)
so i have already proven that tenrou erza is above tenrou gildarts. now why should i have to prove she is above lucy i mean laxus.
as for hades performance. erza performance was equal to lucy. barely any difference. come to think of it. this exactly like laxus and cobra having equal performance against aconologia. (and cobra isnt even mard tier)
urm are we talking about tartarus
didnt erza get tortured
then didnt she defeat demon minerva whose base form attack made even your jura stop in gmg
then didnt erza without any senses and with pain at max beat the strongest demon gate with power of another demon gate and enhancement curse on top of thats. yeah no, tartarus laxus has no hope of beating this erza.
i brought up natsu, because you seems to confuse them. erza has no interest in beating laxus. ok ok. if that is what is implied then why did laxus told erza to stop holding back. i mean if gray and gildarts fight, will gray hold back as well
well for one we know laxus is barely stronger than erza, right now. and erza is shocked at laxus strength to be able exhaust her. that kinda implies that laxus has improved alot to be on par with her.
why would she be shocked by laxus, who she thinks is stronger than herself, to barely beat her? this makes no sense. that is like gray being shocked at gildarts power after gildarts could barely exhaust gray
of course you can add laxus needed red lightening to match her in the last attack. while dragon seal isnt even a power up.
if you want to say dragon seal is a huge boost, you said despite what’s been said and shown in the manga. where did manga say ds seal is a power boost?
what?
this is the actual topic. that laxus red lightening affecting wahl being an asspull.
er what. this is completely different. if laxus had just gone king lightening dragon then overpowered wahl, then i would have agreed with you. red lightening is that lightening that wahl couldnt analyse. hell one could have made an argument back in alverzec that its might not even be laxus strongest move. that like flames natsu couldnt eat because it taste horrible (phantom arc)
no all those move were in someway linked to laxus lightening. other than fairy law. i havent seem erza using ice make, have you?
but i can go worse
you know hades, he actually taught all the 7 kins their magic. did you see him use those magic agiainst fairy tail. i mean time arc could have been super useful or maybe fire god slayer might have saved him from lfd natsu roar no?
jellal also never use anything other than his magic, atleast to get an advantage. even mystogan magic was only used to hide his identity.
this was the first time when a mage used another magic to win a fight. thus asspull. especially since you have hades and jellal not doing sh!t
i ignored everything you wrote but now i can't anymore.
you are claiming that erza was = laxus pre TS and say there is no comprasion to claim that laxus is >>> erza, but there is comprasion
in the fight with hades all the team couldn't put a finger on hades but laxus alone did alot better than them all including erza you might say that erza is exhusted ok but who she fought before hades?? azuma she was strugling against azuma and she win through POF and laxus hold his own for a moments against hades who is >>>>>>>>>> azuma.
majority of the fight with wahl laxus was superior even though he was sick and his magic was useless he overwhelm wahl with only his fists until he could bypass his immunity then killed him, it was bs but erza is the queen of bs droping acno cutting the metoer with all her bones broken and alot other things.
first laxus and now gildarts, who is next acno,
august, igneel ???!!!
gildarts fought bluenote who is >>> azuma
he only strugled when azuma absorbed his magic after he got his magic back he crashed bluenote strongest spell then one shotted him and btw pre TS, gildarts>>> anyone from FT.
azuma absorbed all of FT magic not only gild so by your logic erza > FT guild LoL.
last but not least in tartarus before TS gray and natsu were > erza even sting and rouge together > erza since they beated an enemy who is > 9DG by mard geer word and she had a hard time with kyoka and beated her with bs ,and in alvarez natsu>>>erza, laxus>>>erza, gild>>>erza, and even gajeel DF>erza, gray with the mode he fought with END>erza, in 100YQ she became comparble to laxus, natsu, gild with her new buffs but they still above her.
turning point was tartaros, i thought it was tenrou, thats when asspull became the name of the game.
360 vision might explain it
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well if there is nothing in manga, you cant blame me. gildarts nor marakrov nor natsu ever said laxus is stronger than erza. laxus never beat anyone erza couldnt
hold on hold on. why would fighting irene put her on laxus tier who fought wahl. i dont get this. wahl is an average springgan, irene is literally jura of the arc along with august.
erza in gmg beat two next strongest mages. and laxus beat jura. this to you showed laxus is in a different tier. ok this is fine
but in alverzec, where laxus just beat rufus of the arc, he is suddenly equal to someone who gave a extreme diff fight to jura of the arc.
i really dont follow this
if gmg erza is a teir below gmg laxus for beat kagura (who was in the list of two strongest opponent of Sabertooth along with jura ) and minerva (who spell had even jura stopping)
then alverzev laxus should be atleast a tier below alverzec erza as well for just beating a average opponent. while erza is openly overpowering irene top tier move
no. thats not true. laxus (who was the most fresh here) nor gajeel nor sting best feats were against aconologia (all these characters strongest spell were used against their arc opponents)
same for gray and erza and hell even lucy, best feats were not against hades
nope.
erza plays around with levy and lissana till they gave up
gildarts plays with natsu till he gives up
erza fights huge amount of soldiers
gildarts enjoy a nice sail
erza exchange one or two blows with meredy
gildarts enjoys a nice sail
erza gets hit by magical attacks like tower brust and 2 tera clemare (which by the way also had gildarts magic in it)
gildarts just gets punched and kicked by bluenote
erza beats azuma
gildarts beat bluenote what 30 seconds after azuma falls
erza is about to fight hades (and according to you she is near full power)
gildarts cant move (near zero power)
so i have already proven that tenrou erza is above tenrou gildarts. now why should i have to prove she is above lucy i mean laxus.
as for hades performance. erza performance was equal to lucy. barely any difference. come to think of it. this exactly like laxus and cobra having equal performance against aconologia. (and cobra isnt even mard tier)
urm are we talking about tartarus
didnt erza get tortured
then didnt she defeat demon minerva whose base form attack made even your jura stop in gmg
then didnt erza without any senses and with pain at max beat the strongest demon gate with power of another demon gate and enhancement curse on top of thats. yeah no, tartarus laxus has no hope of beating this erza.
i brought up natsu, because you seems to confuse them. erza has no interest in beating laxus. ok ok. if that is what is implied then why did laxus told erza to stop holding back. i mean if gray and gildarts fight, will gray hold back as well
well for one we know laxus is barely stronger than erza, right now. and erza is shocked at laxus strength to be able exhaust her. that kinda implies that laxus has improved alot to be on par with her.
why would she be shocked by laxus, who she thinks is stronger than herself, to barely beat her? this makes no sense. that is like gray being shocked at gildarts power after gildarts could barely exhaust gray
of course you can add laxus needed red lightening to match her in the last attack. while dragon seal isnt even a power up.
if you want to say dragon seal is a huge boost, you said despite what’s been said and shown in the manga. where did manga say ds seal is a power boost?
what?
this is the actual topic. that laxus red lightening affecting wahl being an asspull.
er what. this is completely different. if laxus had just gone king lightening dragon then overpowered wahl, then i would have agreed with you. red lightening is that lightening that wahl couldnt analyse. hell one could have made an argument back in alverzec that its might not even be laxus strongest move. that like flames natsu couldnt eat because it taste horrible (phantom arc)
no all those move were in someway linked to laxus lightening. other than fairy law. i havent seem erza using ice make, have you?
but i can go worse
you know hades, he actually taught all the 7 kins their magic. did you see him use those magic agiainst fairy tail. i mean time arc could have been super useful or maybe fire god slayer might have saved him from lfd natsu roar no?
jellal also never use anything other than his magic, atleast to get an advantage. even mystogan magic was only used to hide his identity.
this was the first time when a mage used another magic to win a fight. thus asspull. especially since you have hades and jellal not doing sh!t
Sure, Tenrou got some peoples spider senses tingling, but it was "because she's Erza" that really set it in stone.
Also you don't really believe anything you told GLNova in this post. You've already admitted several times you think preskip Laxus>Erza, even if it's not by as much as everyone else thinks.
You also just recently went on a tangent about how unfairly OP Mashima made Laxus in Alvarez for the way he was smacking around Spriggans while sick. You think he's OP just like the rest of us, to the point where you think it's poor writing.
Oh and like I told you before, Erza wanks all her opponents strength. She thought God Serena was strong lol. Erza considered Laxus above her from the start, which is why she wanted back up
