One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

OR, you could actually specify when this happened before doubling down on it.

I could have missed a panel. But Katakuri isn't hit without haki.

 

[Ramen]

If were using that definition for power, the Gorosei making time for him because of who he is has to be power as well.

 

[HereNThere]

I could have missed a panel.

You didn't.

 

[Shasha23]

OR, you could actually specify when this happened before doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on it.

Like i said many times now, the first hit on Katakuri by Luffy was a hakiless kick, its there on chp 883 "Merienda"

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I just reread the fight and I don't see where Katakuri was hit without haki.

His first hit on Katakuri, he kicked him below the jaw, its a haki less kick

 

[Ramen]

I could have missed a panel. But Katakuri isn't hit without haki.

Nope. Katakuri was hit only when haki was used.

 

[kkck]

Like i said many times now, the first hit on Katakuri by Luffy was a hakiless kick, its there on chp 883 "Merienda"

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His first hit on Katakuri, he kicked him below the jaw, its a haki less kick

Not really, luffy very clearly used haki there. Add to that, post timeskip using haki for attacks is the norm, even if its the basic invisible type of haki.

 

[goldb]

Does anyone have the chapter number itself as reference? It might be helpful.

 

[King Moe]

What am I saying? Yes I am saying Zoro will be going after Kaido. Where is the part where I said that he will solo him?
It's obvious that Zoro is stronger than Luffy since he could have killed Kaido back in ch923 when Luffy got the life spanked out of him without scratching Kaido.
No, you never back your side because headcanon cannot be backed up, You didnt prove anything wrong, that's why I am asking you to prove it now.
No, you didnt show Kyoshiro besting Zoro unless you dont know what besting means. Do you admit you dont know what it means?

He came with Enma with Apoo? No he didnt come with Apoo. He came with gifters? He didnt come with gifters? Do you know what come with means?
I cant tell what you are trying to say because of your bad english... From what I saw in the manga, he never fought Apoo and he cleared tons of gifters for couple of chapters. You can tell us what you think happened but in proper English otherwise, dont bother. Am I refusing that Zoro is using who? Enma? When have I refused that? Quote me. You say that nothing shows that Zoro is stronger than he is while you dont know how strong Zoro is and at the same time you say he is swinging Enma and getting some power from it? The best of headcanon. Having trouble with Apoo? He never engaged Apoo if you didnt realize.
Having trouble to pass through Gifters? Bet your ass he is having trouble, dealing with high number of enemies who arent fodder is trouble for everyone.
I dont have anything to prove, you are the one who is making wild claims which cannot be proven.

Did he faint or was he knocked out? Can you tell the difference between them? He fainted for days? More headcanon. I dont care about him losing the Shusui.
For some reason you bring up him losing the sword as some major thing which proves Zoro's power or something, what's up with that? What are you trying to say? I didnt admit fault on that? What was my fault on that? I wasnt the one who was making that claim, you were. I dont have nothing to do with your claims.
I am acting against everyone who stating my faults in my arguments? What faults, lol? What your areas? Shusui? Dont care about it, just like Zoro doesnt care but it seems to be your favorite lollipop? Zoro beating Katakuri is fanmade match-up, it cannot be proven or disproven, there are no definitive facts on either outcomes and you are acting like manga has shown Katakuri beating Zoro, lol. I think your hate for Zoro has reached new levels, you are probably jealous because he is a major player in the current arc but you brought it down on yourself, I warned you that Wano wont be easy for Zoro haters.

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Seems like Mihawk and Shanks stand no chance against Katakuri.

Same thing as you push away the notion that Zoro won't have anyone to help him in the fight and disregarding why Luffy will allow him to fight someone he wants to fight himself. He doesn't do things in facing major antagonist unless Captain allows him which Luffy never does as he wants Kaido to be defeated by him.

Again your trolling now if your ignoring all I stated and proof about Kyoshiro vs Zoro if your saying Zoro wasn't struggling. Your prove my point your someone who can't admit when they are wrong even when others are telling you about circumstances of Katakuri beating Zoro as well this point. Headcannon is not series canon, no matter you try to denied, what you say is not factual and just in denial the more you can't admit when you lose argument.

Was Enma not on his person when fighting around? Actually he had it out as one of his 2 swords when fighting fodders and then got drop to his knees the moment Apoo got an non-serious hit on him. How did he respond back? Just running away instead of using Enma in that moment to try to slice him from afar. Nothing implies that Zoro could have taken him easily if he decided to run away instead of facing Apoo from his end. Also enough with bad grammar stuff when your not really a position to critic when you can't admit your own faults in your arguments. You got no proof on stating Zoro will beat Apoo when former choose to run away the moment he got injured by him. That not pushing no notion Zoro could handle him if you first instinct was to run away.

Yeah he fainted for a few days and need to recover from his fight unlike Kamazou who woke up faster than him and appear in Udon later. Zoro is fraigile nowadays on his stamina and durability as shown, so nothing he can do when monster like Katakuri is able to whoop him down as he is not flexible at all with his stats nor his Haki as shown in his fights in NW especially in Wano. Nothing inserts he could take out Katakuri as even his power is lacking if he couldn't bulldoze through Gifter fodders unlike Katakuri who can easily mow down fodders without much trouble.

See your still doing it as you can't admit when you got counter and now trying to play like you never discuss anything like that. Stop with heavy imagination and except Zoro is taking backhand with many other stated in your talks as he does before. Nah, I like the character, but I don't headcannon the reality of what One Piece is all about and it's not all about him, but a man with Strawhat named Monkey D. Luffy .

 

[Ramen]

Does anyone have the chapter number itself as reference? It might be helpful.

He quoted chapter 883.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 13, 2020 ---

He is referring to this.

Spoiler: Luffy lands a kick

 

[goldb]

If it's this panel then he's using haki here. You can see the same shading and circular crop on Luffy's right leg as Katakuri's fists to indicate armement.

 

[Shasha23]

If it's this panel then he's using haki here. You can see the same shading and circular crop on Luffy's right leg as Katakuri's fists to indicate armement.

Look at his foot where haki should be, there is clearly no black coloring

 

[Pirate Queen]

Look at his foot where haki should be, there is clearly no black coloring

So his leg has haki but not his foot? Lol

 

[Shasha23]

So his leg has haki but not his foot? Lol

It looked like that before but it doesn't make sense for the part that hits Katakuri doesn't have CoA while his thigh does, for me the darkened part its just a way to project speed.

Anyway the fact it Luffy's foot that made contact doesn't have haki

 

[thedude]

It looked like that before but it doesn't make sense for the part that hits Katakuri doesn't have CoA while his thigh does, for me the darkened part its just a way to project speed.

Anyway the fact it Luffy's foot that made contact doesn't have haki

Lol, Oda is known for shading black to indicate speed...lol

Man, I can't imagine being so obsessed with never admitting fault...it's so weird. It's just a manga, "Oh, I didn't notice the black shading on his leg, you are right, it was Haki" is sooooo easy to say. No one would look down on you.

 

[goldb]

Look at his foot where haki should be, there is clearly no black coloring

So he decided to use armement on his leg but thought it wasn't necessary to do so for his foot?
What benefit then would it (imbuing his leg in haki) have if it's not to inflict damage on an opponent he couldn't otherwise hit? I mean, it's not really a debatable point. It is what it is, so we move on to actual discussion.

 

[jaymizzo]

So he decided to use armement on his leg but thought it wasn't necessary to do so for his foot?
What benefit then would it (imbuing his leg in haki) have if it's not to inflict damage on an opponent he couldn't otherwise hit? I mean, it's not really a debatable point. It is what it is, so we move on to actual discussion.

I read this and couldn't stop laughing. The mental gymnastics.

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It's obvious that Zoro is stronger than Luffy since he could have killed Kaido back in ch923 when Luffy got the life spanked out of him without scratching Kaido.

This is up there with Zoro following someone who is weaker than him... Loving a character is great, but going so far as to try and tarnish the actual character to match with ones own cannon is just meh to see.

 

[nik87]

Same thing as you push away the notion that Zoro won't have anyone to help him in the fight and disregarding why Luffy will allow him to fight someone he wants to fight himself. He doesn't do things in facing major antagonist unless Captain allows him which Luffy never does as he wants Kaido to be defeated by him.

Again your trolling now if your ignoring all I stated and proof about Kyoshiro vs Zoro if your saying Zoro wasn't struggling. Your prove my point your someone who can't admit when they are wrong even when others are telling you about circumstances of Katakuri beating Zoro as well this point. Headcannon is not series canon, no matter you try to denied, what you say is not factual and just in denial the more you can't admit when you lose argument.

Was Enma not on his person when fighting around? Actually he had it out as one of his 2 swords when fighting fodders and then got drop to his knees the moment Apoo got an non-serious hit on him. How did he respond back? Just running away instead of using Enma in that moment to try to slice him from afar. Nothing implies that Zoro could have taken him easily if he decided to run away instead of facing Apoo from his end. Also enough with bad grammar stuff when your not really a position to critic when you can't admit your own faults in your arguments. You got no proof on stating Zoro will beat Apoo when former choose to run away the moment he got injured by him. That not pushing no notion Zoro could handle him if you first instinct was to run away.

Yeah he fainted for a few days and need to recover from his fight unlike Kamazou who woke up faster than him and appear in Udon later. Zoro is fraigile nowadays on his stamina and durability as shown, so nothing he can do when monster like Katakuri is able to whoop him down as he is not flexible at all with his stats nor his Haki as shown in his fights in NW especially in Wano. Nothing inserts he could take out Katakuri as even his power is lacking if he couldn't bulldoze through Gifter fodders unlike Katakuri who can easily mow down fodders without much trouble.

See your still doing it as you can't admit when you got counter and now trying to play like you never discuss anything like that. Stop with heavy imagination and except Zoro is taking backhand with many other stated in your talks as he does before. Nah, I like the character, but I don't headcannon the reality of what One Piece is all about and it's not all about him, but a man with Strawhat named Monkey D. Luffy .

I am gonna move on from your delusions, I never said that Zoro would solo Kaido.
He never asked Luffy to fight anyone, another delusion of yours. Sanji needs permission to attack, Zoro doesnt.
You confused Zoro with Sanji. Again, we are talking about Zoro, not Sanji. Focus.
Sadly for you Zoro will participate in Kaido fight and most likely be the one to kill him since Luffy cant kill with his close to 0 lethality.

Oh, now you have gone to struggling while before it was bested. Which one is it, struggling or bested?
Katakuri and Zoro are imaginary fight, nobody has anything concrete so Katakuri isnt helping you in any way.
What I say about past events is factual while talk about future events or imaginary fights is guessing for whoever takes part in the discussion.
The losing argument is part of your delusions, get rid of those, try meditation.

Yes, Enma was out when he was fighting, just like his other sword. Was there supposed to be some magic happening when swords are out?
So what if he "ran away"? Are you telling Oda what he should do? Seems like you got your own version of One Piece where characters should do what you want them to do. That's what people call Two Piece reader. Your grammar is bad, period, stop complaining about it and improve.
You got no proof on Apoo will beat Zoro either so your point is moot. He could have handled him, easily, just as easily as he handled another Supernova.
You arent reading One Piece, you got Two Piece fantasies and I wont entertain those.

You are delusional, he didnt faint for few days, go read the manga instead of repeating headcanons. Apoo killed your fragile trolling.
Momma's boy like Katakuri would be eaten by Zoro for breakfast. Zoro is already a top tier, Katakuri is small fry.
You will see when he kills Kaido that Katakuri is just an ant for Zoro.

Why would I admit something from your fantasies?
Sadly for you, Zoro is in the front row of major players of this war. You will have to watch a lot of Zoro.
Yes, you like him so much that he lives rent-free in your head.
The story has always been about Luffy and Zoro, from chapter 2 and in chapter 5 the title is: King of the Pirates and Master Swordsman.
Enjoy their adventures.

 

[jaymizzo]

The story has always been about Luffy and Zoro, from chapter 2 and in chapter 5 the title is: King of the Pirates and Master Swordsman.
Enjoy their adventures.

I swear this story is about Luffy wanting to become PK. Never read it being about Luffy and co wanting to achieve their dreams

 

[kkck]

Look at his foot where haki should be, there is clearly no black coloring

Why would luffy hit him without haki? It's fairly obvious luffy is at worst simply not using hardening. Even if katakuri wasn't intangible (which he IS) if he is made out of mochi then normal attacks would not have an effect on him, much like with luffy.

 

[Shasha23]

So he decided to use armement on his leg but thought it wasn't necessary to do so for his foot?
What benefit then would it (imbuing his leg in haki) have if it's not to inflict damage on an opponent he couldn't otherwise hit? I mean, it's not really a debatable point. It is what it is, so we move on to actual discussion.

I am not Oda, we all see it the same there is no haki on his foot he used to kick Katakuri, saying otherwise is a lie no?

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Why would luffy hit him without haki? It's fairly obvious luffy is at worst simply not using hardening. Even if katakuri wasn't intangible (which he IS) if he is made out of mochi then normal attacks would not have an effect on him, much like with luffy.

LOL what, everytime haki is used there is black coloring and Oda clearly shows Katakuri using it on that same panel but Luffy is not, its clearly shown his foor is not black indicating he isnt using haki