One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Ramen]

He is. Actually more above that.

No he isn't. End of story. @Pirate Queen already named like 40 characters stronger lmao

 

[King Moe]

No he isn't. End of story. @Pirate Queen already named like 40 characters stronger lmao

Didn't know you guys control what Oda's write. Do tell me EOS then? Again no it isn't and there are characters he is stronger over. He is Top20-30. End of discussion. Agree to disagree, but it how it is.

Let's move on then instead continue this pointless back and forth if we are not going to convince each other.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Didn't know you guys control what Oda's write. Do tell me EOS then? Again no it isn't and there are characters he is stronger over. He is Top20-30. End of discussion. Agree to disagree, but it how it is.

Let's move on then instead continue this pointless back and forth if we are not going to convince each other.

Provide your list of 30 as proof. Give us your top 30 and show us

 

[Ramen]

Didn't know you guys control what Oda's write. Do tell me EOS then? Again no it isn't and there are characters he is stronger over. He is Top20-30. End of discussion. Agree to disagree, but it how it is.

Let's move on then instead continue this pointless back and forth if we are not going to convince each other.

Lol....can't admit you're wrong. Give us your top 30 or don't speak. Were not even taking EOS.

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No need for convincing.......everyone here agrees Smoker isn't in the top 30 and nowhere near close. See how you're the only trying so hard to make it so.

 

[King Moe]

Provide your list of 30 as proof. Give us your top 30 and show us

Lol....can't admit you're wrong. Give us your top 30 or don't speak. Were not even taking EOS.

Can't even admit fault yourself, @MUIMadara

Sure thing, I do it when I have time. Does it count only those who are alive or even those who passed can be in it?

 

[Ramen]

Can't even admit fault yourself, @MUIMadara

Sure thing, I do it when I have time. Does it count only those who are alive or even those who passed can be in it?

I've done that many times. Don't accuse me of things you have no proof of.

It's current if you couldn't already tell.

 

[King Moe]

Lol....can't admit you're wrong. Give us your top 30 or don't speak. Were not even taking EOS.

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No need for convincing.......everyone here agrees Smoker isn't in the top 30 and nowhere near close. See how you're the only trying so hard to make it so.

Not really, this website doesn't really speak for whole fanbase. Let's not use number games on case like this unlike for others. Smoker gotten stronger since then and at timeframe of where things are heading, Oda will push him that narrative same way we see Law who despite his situation, still push as same level as Luffy along with Kidd despite his as well.

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I've done that many times. Don't accuse me of things you have no proof of.

It's current if you couldn't already tell.

Same to you then. Let's agree to disagree instead going into bickerment over this.

Oh that make it even easier where he is then. I post about it later.

 

[Ramen]

Not really, this website doesn't really speak for whole fanbase. Let's not use number games on case like this unlike for others. Smoker gotten stronger since then and at timeframe of where things are heading, Oda will push him that narrative same way we see Law who despite his situation, still push as same level as Luffy along with Kidd despite his as well.

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Same to you then. Let's agree to disagree instead going into bickerment over this.

Oh that make it even easier where he is then. I post about it later.

You're entire argument is backwards. You downplay Zoro because of his "current showings" but won't admit Smoker is weak because of what Oda has in store for him? Ok.

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Oh that make it even easier where he is then. I post about it later.

I mean objectively you're wrong as we've already pointed out.

 

[King Moe]

I'd say Sanji was a bit better, but only because he was the only one who didn't get put on his back by Vergo.

Both keeping up with Vergo physicaly is a decent feat for that point in the story. Hell, even Law, before he one shot him, couldn't keep up too well.

I'm terms of leveling, I'd say Sanji falls in between Smoker and PH Law.

I agree with what you said. Also seems like few others forget how fights work as when your fighting someone your going to take damage as it be back and forth, but taking damage doesn't signal your going to lose as Oda with his fights doesn't push that unless narrative will showing dominance of one of the character, but it wasn't case between these two as Sanji was able to damage him twice and still keep up even injured especially nerf going in, so inconclusive on who would win, but seeing how broken bones doesn't mean defeat as look at Usopp and Harjudan, Sanji would have won in the end, but it be a struggle.

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You're entire argument is backwards. You downplay Zoro because of his "current showings" but won't admit Smoker is weak because of what Oda has in store for him? Ok.

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I mean objectively you're wrong as we've already pointed out.

Cause it been awhile since we last seen Smoker, we don't know his current lvl now and it's illogical to say he still same lvl from back then. Zoro right now has been hype too to oblivious to the point he faints with Kamazou and runs away from enemies like Apoo right now. Why shouldn't judge Zoro currently since he is showing currently in his fights and it's not pushing narrative he is stronger than he looks.

You mean opinions? Yeah opinions like that aren't right or wrong given we don't know how strong current Smoker is, so again no you guys aren't.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Can't even admit fault yourself, @MUIMadara

Sure thing, I do it when I have time. Does it count only those who are alive or even those who passed can be in it?

No you said currently he is top 30. So make your list of 30 people and Smoker has to be on it.

 

[Ramen]

Cause it been awhile since we last seen Smoker, we don't know his current lvl now and it's illogical to say he still same lvl from back then. Zoro right now has been hype too to oblivious to the point he faints with Kamazou and runs away from enemies like Apoo right now. Why shouldn't judge Zoro currently since he is showing currently in his fights and it's not pushing narrative he is stronger than he looks.

So judge him based off we've seen of him. Anything else is opinion.

You mean opinions? Yeah opinions like that aren't right or wrong given we don't know how strong current Smoker is, so again no you guys aren't.

Right, I forgot saying someone like Kaido is stronger than Smoker is opinion. Apologies.

 

[King Moe]

No you said currently he is top 30. So make your list of 30 people and Smoker has to be on it.

I will, but will post it later as got arrange it properly with characters around.

 

[Ramen]

Take your time. It will be easy to debunk it.

 

[King Moe]

So judge him based off we've seen of him. Anything else is opinion.



Right, I forgot saying someone like Kaido is stronger than Smoker is opinion. Apologies.

We judging him currently, not PH as I agree that time on what his level was, but now it's different.

It's not, but talking my logical, not guy saying Zoro must be strongest of all cause he has a sword on another thread your doing.

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Take your time. It will be easy to debunk it.

Let me know how 'Zoro vs Kaido solo fight' will be like on your end.

 

[Ramen]

It's not, but talking my logical, not guy saying Zoro must be strongest of all cause he has a sword on another thread your doing.

I said Zoro will end up being stronger than Sanji. That's it. Please show me where I said Zoro will be the strongest of all. He's not even on my top 5 EOS.

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Let me know how 'Zoro vs Kaido solo fight' will be like on your end.

Did I ever say Zoro will solo Kaido? Let me answer for you. I didn't.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I said Zoro will end up being stronger than Sanji. That's it. Please show me where I said Zoro will be the strongest of all. He's not even on my top 5 EOS.

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Did I ever say Zoro will solo Kaido?

I have never heard a SINGLE Zoro fan say Zoro will solo Kaido. Even Nik isn't that stupid.

Zoro will cut Kaido
Zoro will behead Kaido
Never
Zoro will solo Kaido

Come on Moe, stop the craziness

 

[Ramen]

I have never heard a SINGLE Zoro fan say Zoro will solo Kaido. Even Nik isn't that stupid.

Zoro will cut Kaido
Zoro will behead Kaido
Never
Zoro will solo Kaido

Come on Moe, stop the craziness

Let me know if I said either of the following:

1) Zoro will be the strongest of all.
2) Zoro will solo Kaido.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Let me know if I said either of the following:

1) Zoro will be the strongest of all.
2) Zoro will solo Kaido.

You have never said that lol

 

[Ramen]

You have never said that lol

All I said was Zoro > Sanji.

If you want to continue that discussion, we can do it here.

 

[Pirate Queen]

All I said was Zoro > Sanji.

If you want to continue that discussion, we can do it here.

Nah I'm good. I think I said all I could. Looking forward to Moe-kun's list lol