One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
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[HereNThere]

Lets rank the YC's and executives and Warlords.

YC1: Ben Beckman>Marco>King=>Katakuri

Ben Beckman has been said to be comparable to Shanks in the Vivre Card databook.

Marco has no feats, but he's been talked up by a number of folks.

King and Katakuri might be pretty close in terms of power, but we'll have to see. It might be recency bias as well.

YC2: Roo/Yasopp=>Queen=>Jozu>Smoothie

There's no telling where these characters fall. Smoothie is only last because she has no feats at all. The rest have at least clashed with strong opponents or have been hyped in story.

YC3: Roo/Yasopp=Vista>Jack=>Cracker

Assuming Yasopp is YC3, I imagine he's equal to Vista since they apparently have a tense history. It's possible that both could also be YC2 as well while Jozu and Roo are YC3.

Jack and Cracker could go either way. Jack's endurance would probably put him over though.

 

[thedude]

Please can we stop with the EOS Rankings. We'll get there when we get there and it's no fun predicting it. For all we know, it can be way different. Stop ranking Dragon or Im and even Kong when we have no idea where their strength lies. Dragon hasnt shown any feat whatsoever, maybe the WG fears him because of the Revs but not like they fear the Yonko. Also, the Revs vs the BB pirates was disappointing on how they had to retreat. IF Dragon was really powerful, like how you all list him at the top, then he wouldnt have ran away from BB, and honesty I dont think BB is that strong compared to the rest of the Yonkos. I think BB is the weakest Yonko, he hasnt been shown to have a strong defense like Kaido and BM. neither has Shanks but we know Shanks is def powerful.

Lets rank the YC's and executives and Warlords.
For some reason, (due to the bounties) I think Dogtooth is the weakest of the YC1s. I know bounties do NOT represent strength but I use it as a tool to compare it. So I see Dogtooth being as strong as Jack YC3. I can be wrong and will proudly admit it. Anyways the general consensus on this DISCUSSION THREAD, i dont care about any other website's discussion thread but this one, is that: (I will rank them how I think and you can give your input, btw I am not including BB Pirates)
YC1: Marco>Beckman>King>Dogtooth
YC2: Jozu>Yasopp>Queen>Smoothie
YC3: Vista>Lucky>Jack>Cracker

And honestly, until Luffy has shown us how strong he currently is, I dont think he is stronger than Marco yet, but hey I can be wrong later on in this arc. I still dont think Luffy will solo Kaido.

OFF TOPIC: I dont agree with how Oda is progressing the story after Dressrosa with the power levels. Oda shouldve kept it going with the SHs having a 1v1. Luffy shouldve fought more YCs, especially Jack either at Zou or in Wano or even Queen in Udon, i was hoping for that.

YC1: Beckman>Marco>=Katakurri>King
YC2: Yasopp>Queen>=Smoothie>Jozu
YC3: Lucky>Jack>Cracker> Vista

I put shanks crew above all others, because they have to be for Shanks to be a legit threat to the much larger pirate crews. Big Mom isn't relying on Giants or Germa clones to beat Shanks, when her crew dwarfs his already with powerful monsters even under her YC's, unless Shanks and his top 3 are stronger than the rest, just IMHO.

If i were to put BB crew in here it would be tougher. I think Shillew would be up there with Beckman as strongest YC1. I'm not impressed with Burgess, if he's YC2, he's weakest to me.

 

[King Moe]

I'd wager Dragon is stronger hand to hand. He doesn't seem to have a weapon, and he clearly taught Sabo his skills (hence the dragon claw move Sabo did).

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I don't have issues with this, but I think Shanks will be above Sanji and Zoro. I guess he may die...but I see him up there. I don't see Smoker anywhere close though. Coby and Smoker can swap here, Hina is irrelevant. I'm assuming you have people dead here so you didn't list them.

We talking about New Generation as technically Shanks is apart of the Old, so there be those who surpass him and still believe he could possible past later in a fight along with certain old legends. Though possible on what you said as Sanji and Zoro probably be at the level of Yonkos, but not Whitebeard and maybe Shanks lvl though. Smoker will be up there and Coby doesn't fit at all as I even debated about him being there. Since Admiral will be surpassed by others already, so rather not put him high especially he is no rival to Luffy compare to Smoker being his major one. Hina it depends as again there will be strong female EOS members and Hina and Yamato fit the build on that.

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What's Smoker reputation in the Marines? I wouldn't really use the Roger scene as an example because I don't think you could expect any Marine to be carefree in that situation talking to the World's most dangerous pirate at the time and them asking for ridiculous favours. Other than that, he has shown other moments of him being dutiful (for example when facing Don Chinjao, God Valley Incident) but more often than not, he'll just do what he wants unless he's given a direct command to do otherwise ( for example walking away from Kong or Sengoku ordering him to capture Luffy after he initially agreed to let him leave Water 7). I don't think that there has to be a choice between being carefree or dutiful; heck in that respect Aokiji was also similar in just doing what he wanted but also still doing his duty when he needed to.



Tsuru wasn't just a small occurence. While Doflamingo and his crew were stationed in North Blue ( or even since Corazon joined the family), she chased them constantly; being tipped off about his location by Sengoku through Corazon (ch764-765). The only time it's mentioned that she didn't chase him while he was still in North Blue was when Corazon took Law to find treatment. Sure, so far Coby hasn't chased the SH's yet but his rank previous to the timeskip hadn't permitted him to do so. Also him being a fan of Luffy doesn't stop him from wanting to challenge him (we saw that when they met at Water 7 and he promised he'd get strong enough to challenge him in the NW) or make him any less serious; we've seen that with his current rank he's trust to lead serious missions and royal escorts that are trusted to HQ officers. But then again I did just say this was a loose comparison to prove a point about the Smoker/Garp parallels you are drawing.



LOL you just said you don't know what Smoker's stance on promotion is then the next line is you saying what you think Smoker's thoughts on promotion is. So which one is it? Truth as I've said previously, being a Vice Admiral is currently more than what Smoker needs to allow him to chase the SH. By the end of the series, if he becomes a Fleet Admiral, that'll mean he'll be stuck behind a desk giving orders as we've previously seen all other Fleet Admirals do (Kong, Sengoku, Sakazuki). If anything he becomes an admiral by the end of the series and with the WG/Celestial Dragons out of the way, he wont have to worry about being subservient to them. WIth that higher rank, the only difference I'd see is him being able to order other Vice Admirals for a Buster Call on any location of his choosing but do you see Smoker doing such a thing or preferring to go after the SH himself?




Luffy already has challengers; Kid, Law and Blackbeard. Besides the theorised comparisons between Xebec and Blackbeard, the other 2 pirates we've not been told or given hints of any comparisons between the previous and current generation. They're following their own journeys and agendas; nothing to do with the previous age of pirates.



He will be pirate king and as long as he's at sea, he'll have other crews after his throne. There's no two ways about it.

They call him the White Snake of Justice if I recall and he does have reputation growing if he can achieved rank of Vice Admiral as doubt he is like nobody within the Marines and outside along with G5's reputation. I mean I said I agree nowadays yes he is more carefree and doesn't listen to others much, but in his youth he seems more on duty instead of being how he is as it is possible he mellow out more during his later years, which you shouldn't use his older years to say it won't happen with Smoker as he could mellow out more too. After all they got similar vibes on not doing orders when told and even letting others go despite their objective. Interactions you see with Garp to Roger and Smoker to Luffy are quite similar on how they see each other as being frenemies relationship between them. Before you say 'Oh but you can say same with Coby', Coby is more friendly than enemy as guy even fanboyism over Luffy's exploits and cries about it. That isn't relationship I see him being when coming in contact to Luffy as he is more his friend than want to catch him unlike Smoker who is adamant about it more like Garp was with Roger.

Yet she we only see it few times as in present time it just stop all-together given he was Warlord at the time and didn't try to push to watch over him if he steps out of line, but instead it was Fujitora who found the crimes of Doffy, so again can't say it was very deep chase comparing to that with Smoker and Luffy type of vibe at all. Along with other things different in this situation compare with G5 and Strawhats vibe between them. Also yeah it does stop that from him being his major rival as can't take him seriously on being that level nor posing that big of a threat to Luffy when we already know his goal is set to Admiral. That isn't to say he won't fight Luffy again, but won't really be big issue in challenging given Luffy would surpassed him too much to be a big threat unlike Smoker on his direction which can see potential on him more in EOS over Coby. I am not doubting Coby's potential, but Oda already show how he see him and Luffy more and that isn't Garp with Roger relationship as more of fanboyism and someone he is indebted to for making his dream come true after all.

True, but like I said that WG could change a lot on rules and how they are manage once Imu-Sama, Gorosei, and Celestial Dragons are defeated and gone, so Smoker by his own power could go chase them even as Fleet Admiral as he fits the mold of being one to help push more changes to WG entirely and dynamic to be truly about Justice and not by wills of others like Imu, Gororsei, and Celestial Dragons. nothing hints that he has distaste on not liking promotions and rather stay as he is as again would have stay Captain since he could still chase them around. So he could go FA since he isn't like Garp in how we they see promotion. Until something states about him not liking it, it is possibility for him on his end to go all the way to FA.

Yep he does, Pirate Rivals, but will have Marine Rivals. Just like Roger. Doubt only people who can challenge him are juts Pirates alone as Marines are still no slouch in their own power. Smoker and maybe Hina (If she is next Sengoku or Tsuru), or maybe Coby (Doubtful) will be his, but Smoker will truly be his Garp on other side to face him down and give challenge to him. Plus like I said, there are similarities, but differences. Doesn't have to be connection with someone to now they be in position as someone else. It's clear Oda pushing similar vibe like Roger's but different on how things go about it as he does want Luffy to have his major rivals from both Pirates and Marines and he has building that up from what we seen. Yes, he will have many rivals around after his throne, but only handful can give him challenge which we talking about in EOS on who that be and Oda presenting line-up on who that could be. Just saying on possibilities of the EOS age will be.

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Oda has shown time and time again he has no problem inflating the Straw Hat's strength, especially the monster trio. Sanji will be able to put up a decent fight against King, he won't win tho.

Idk about that, with training and preparation, they can beat their upcoming opponents as if Luffy is going to beat Kaido, his group have to evolve to be closer to keep up especially his top main forces of Sanji, Jimbei, and Zoro to be YC lvl to prove it. Sanji vs King pushing that they need to evolve and get stronger as they fight more.

 

[kkck]

YC1: Ben Beckman>Marco>King=>Katakuri

Ben Beckman has been said to be comparable to Shanks in the Vivre Card databook.

Marco has no feats, but he's been talked up by a number of folks.

King and Katakuri might be pretty close in terms of power, but we'll have to see. It might be recency bias as well.

YC2: Roo/Yasopp=>Queen=>Jozu>Smoothie

There's no telling where these characters fall. Smoothie is only last because she has no feats at all. The rest have at least clashed with strong opponents or have been hyped in story.

YC3: Roo/Yasopp=Vista>Jack=>Cracker

Assuming Yasopp is YC3, I imagine he's equal to Vista since they apparently have a tense history. It's possible that both could also be YC2 as well while Jozu and Roo are YC3.

Jack and Cracker could go either way. Jack's endurance would probably put him over though.

Marco does have a few feats from the war though. And I'd add that the war was inherently disadvantageous for the WB pirates (being on the offensive), under a more favorable scenario I would argue WB's YCs would have a better showing. The war did pretty much start with marco kicking back kizaru... The WB pirates had to push through every barrier placed by the marines while the marines simply defended. And then the WB pirates had to escape while the marines tried to prevent that.

 

[Nie Li]

YC1: Ben Beckman>Marco>King=>Katakuri

Ben Beckman has been said to be comparable to Shanks in the Vivre Card databook.

Marco has no feats, but he's been talked up by a number of folks.

King and Katakuri might be pretty close in terms of power, but we'll have to see. It might be recency bias as well.

YC2: Roo/Yasopp=>Queen=>Jozu>Smoothie

There's no telling where these characters fall. Smoothie is only last because she has no feats at all. The rest have at least clashed with strong opponents or have been hyped in story.

YC3: Roo/Yasopp=Vista>Jack=>Cracker

Assuming Yasopp is YC3, I imagine he's equal to Vista since they apparently have a tense history. It's possible that both could also be YC2 as well while Jozu and Roo are YC3.

Jack and Cracker could go either way. Jack's endurance would probably put him over though.

Wasn't Whitebeard's second commander Ace and Jozu 3rd?

 

[kkck]

On a separate note, there is a good chance the fight between king and sanji is already over. Not because either one lost but rather because oda has a tendency to simply off screen stuff. There is a good chance that the next time we see either one the other will be absent and at a different location doing other things. Because that is how oda treats the strawhats nowadays...

 

[Nie Li]

On a separate note, there is a good chance the fight between king and sanji is already over. Not because either one lost but rather because oda has a tendency to simply off screen stuff. There is a good chance that the next time we see either one the other will be absent and at a different location doing other things. Because that is how oda treats the strawhats nowadays...

That'd suck so hard. I mean, the fight could stop just right there and have King try to pursue Momo again to be stopped by Yamato this time around, but if we don't even get a panel of how the fight breaks and exactly how much damage Sanji has taken, it will suck too hard.

 

[kkck]

That'd suck so hard. I mean, the fight could stop just right there and have King try to pursue Momo again to be stopped by Yamato this time around, but if we don't even get a panel of how the fight breaks and exactly how much damage Sanji has taken, it will suck too hard.

I suppose all we can do is laugh in sanji vs page one...

 

[HereNThere]

Marco does have a few feats from the war though. And I'd add that the war was inherently disadvantageous for the WB pirates (being on the offensive), under a more favorable scenario I would argue WB's YCs would have a better showing. The war did pretty much start with marco kicking back kizaru... The WB pirates had to push through every barrier placed by the marines while the marines simply defended. And then the WB pirates had to escape while the marines tried to prevent that.

This is a personal thing, but I don't count Marineford feats anymore. Things were way too muddled, in my opinion.

Wasn't Whitebeard's second commander Ace and Jozu 3rd?

Yeah. However we've been getting bits of information that imply Vista was comparable to Marco and Jozu in terms of relevance in the crew.

 

[albertwv]

Regarding the WB Pirates at MF.
The WB Pirates were at a disadvantage to begin with. MF was the Marines base and they had plans to stop the WB Pirates, plus they had Ace hostage. Although Ace was 2nd DC, he wasnt as strong as other NW Veterans. Jozu and Vista were basically stronger than him, Ace was young and inexperienced compared to the rest. I dont see Ace beating Doffy, Cracker or even Izo maybe.
Also, if the battlefield was neutral, WB Pirates probably wouldve won the war, if they had Ace and Thatch and WB was allowed to go all out, they wouldve had a pretty difficult win.

King vs Sanji, I think Oda is pulling a fast one on us. He may just off panel it like y'all mentioned and have them go their own seperate ways. No matter how it goes, I cant see Sanji vs King, who is Zolo going to fight? Queen? Please.. Oda has a tendency to off panel short skirmishes. Ever since the NW, Oda has been doing skirmishes now that sometimes lead to off panel, which really suck. For example:
Zolo vs Fujitora
Cat and Dog vs Jack
Jack vs Navy Fleet to rescue Doffy
Luffy vs Cracker
VA Maynard vs Rooster
Sanji vs P1
Law vs Hawkins
Oden vs WB
Roger vs WB
you see the pattern

Especially now that Oda has introduced so many (useless) characters, that we dont see the real SHs get any action or good screentime.

 

[McNuss]

Wasn't Whitebeard's second commander Ace and Jozu 3rd?

All 16 Division Commanders are equal in rank. Marco's special authority is due to respect alone.

 

[I Am Atomic]

I would go as far to say, King=Marco=Katakuri. Lets all be honest here, Luffy won against Katakuri due to plot convenience....which I am fine with.

Marco=King because both of their feats in Wano was identical. Both of them pushed BMPs ship down the waterfall. Not sure if Oda is trying to make that scene a gag or showing us something more important, such as King=Marco.

 

[M3J]

Marco does have a few feats from the war though. And I'd add that the war was inherently disadvantageous for the WB pirates (being on the offensive), under a more favorable scenario I would argue WB's YCs would have a better showing. The war did pretty much start with marco kicking back kizaru... The WB pirates had to push through every barrier placed by the marines while the marines simply defended. And then the WB pirates had to escape while the marines tried to prevent that.

True. Marines were prepared for Whitebeard and set up traps and everything, while Whitebeard didn't know exactly what to expect. All things considered, Whitebeard crew didn't do too bad.

 

[King Moe]

Regarding the WB Pirates at MF.
The WB Pirates were at a disadvantage to begin with. MF was the Marines base and they had plans to stop the WB Pirates, plus they had Ace hostage. Although Ace was 2nd DC, he wasnt as strong as other NW Veterans. Jozu and Vista were basically stronger than him, Ace was young and inexperienced compared to the rest. I dont see Ace beating Doffy, Cracker or even Izo maybe.
Also, if the battlefield was neutral, WB Pirates probably wouldve won the war, if they had Ace and Thatch and WB was allowed to go all out, they wouldve had a pretty difficult win.

King vs Sanji, I think Oda is pulling a fast one on us. He may just off panel it like y'all mentioned and have them go their own seperate ways. No matter how it goes, I cant see Sanji vs King, who is Zolo going to fight? Queen? Please.. Oda has a tendency to off panel short skirmishes. Ever since the NW, Oda has been doing skirmishes now that sometimes lead to off panel, which really suck. For example:
Zolo vs Fujitora
Cat and Dog vs Jack
Jack vs Navy Fleet to rescue Doffy
Luffy vs Cracker
VA Maynard vs Rooster
Sanji vs P1
Law vs Hawkins
Oden vs WB
Roger vs WB
you see the pattern

Especially now that Oda has introduced so many (useless) characters, that we dont see the real SHs get any action or good screentime.

Make no sense and how is ZoLo going to fight King when he can't fly anywhere. We don't want an Pica 2.0 situation where he must catch him all around the war and can't get him due to his speed and flight and have to take advantage when he is distracted. Doesn't look good in a fight nor will King nerf himself to fight him on grounded either. Zolo vs Queen is looking more liking, but there is Smoothie and Orochi and Kanjuro (If they are 'acting' and will revived) who can be credible foes, Sanji is more suited with him given the many similarities and themes with them and plus given they already crash into a secluded area pushes they be fighting each other more in this arc.

Don't think there be much off-screen at least to Strawhats with major fights as they need to show their progress and power in their respective fights, so Sanji vs King would probably continue onward as doesn't look to be short-term given the goal is to take out Kaido and his YCs along with Big Mom and YC with their crew if this is truly where they go out in this arc as well.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Make no sense and how is ZoLo going to fight King when he can't fly anywhere.

 

[albertwv]

Make no sense and how is ZoLo going to fight King when he can't fly anywhere. We don't want an Pica 2.0 situation where he must catch him all around the war and can't get him due to his speed and flight and have to take advantage when he is distracted. Doesn't look good in a fight nor will King nerf himself to fight him on grounded either. Zolo vs Queen is looking more liking, but there is Smoothie and Orochi and Kanjuro (If they are 'acting' and will revived) who can be credible foes, Sanji is more suited with him given the many similarities and themes with them and plus given they already crash into a secluded area pushes they be fighting each other more in this arc.

Don't think there be much off-screen at least to Strawhats with major fights as they need to show their progress and power in their respective fights, so Sanji vs King would probably continue onward as doesn't look to be short-term given the goal is to take out Kaido and his YCs along with Big Mom and YC with their crew if this is truly where they go out in this arc as well.

You say Sanji vs King because they can both fly but Zolo can throw flying slashes. Also Queen doesnt seem like a swordsman compared to King so its looking more like King vs Zolo
Its probably going to be a small skirmish with Sanji vs King. Smoothie is out of the picture the rest of the BM pirates are not going to participate, look how long it took them to climb the waterfall again. Orochi and Kanjuro are dead LOL.
Go back to Enies Lobby, did you think Sanji was going to fight Califa, or Usopp vs Jabura? They had small skirmishes. Cmon Moe. Also, I think it is too soon for matches to appear especially for Sanji or Zolo, the weaker straw hats have to match up first with their opponents and then Zolo and Sanji will start to fight their opponents with Zolo being the 2nd to last before Luffy's final fight.
If you dont believe me, look at Arlong Park, Alabasta, Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark, Fishman Island, Dressrosa, etc.

 

[King Moe]

You say Sanji vs King because they can both fly but Zolo can throw flying slashes. Also Queen doesnt seem like a swordsman compared to King so its looking more like King vs Zolo
Its probably going to be a small skirmish with Sanji vs King. Smoothie is out of the picture the rest of the BM pirates are not going to participate, look how long it took them to climb the waterfall again. Orochi and Kanjuro are dead LOL.
Go back to Enies Lobby, did you think Sanji was going to fight Califa, or Usopp vs Jabura? They had small skirmishes. Cmon Moe. Also, I think it is too soon for matches to appear especially for Sanji or Zolo, the weaker straw hats have to match up first with their opponents and then Zolo and Sanji will start to fight their opponents with Zolo being the 2nd to last before Luffy's final fight.
If you dont believe me, look at Arlong Park, Alabasta, Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark, Fishman Island, Dressrosa, etc.

You can dodge attacks or he can block or tank them. King isn't going to be standing there just by looking at ZoLo though. He has nothing to push how he will contain King if he flies away and choose to outspeed him, so Queen can be one of his possible opponents given he is more grounded for Zoro and he has weapons too, so not like he won't be using them as he fights. King holding sword doesn't stop him from fighting Sanji either as he looks to be diverse on how he fights like Queen is, so doesn't make sense why go for other when both are diverse on how they fight. Kinda like Jabra and Kaku who fight in various ways with their Cipher Pol techniques combine with their DF, so takes nothing away from who they face.

It's not small if your crashing into another area with someone. Reminds me more like Sanji vs Jabra when they first started fighting. Also not really as they can still get up there and Orochi and Kanjuro acted like they were down before, but wasn't especially given Orochi's DF, he isn't out of it just yet given DF abilities.

Yeah I know, but Jabra and Kaku were evenly match as it didn't count them as DF experience and only their Base Forms. Jabra is more experience with his DF unlike Kaku who just ate his in the art and you can see he was still adjusting. No one was stronger than other in that. Also all those arcs you mention, Zolo never face stronger one as Sanji face stronger ones in AP, Enies Lobby (Possibly), Thriller Bark, Fishman Island, etc.. Dressrosa they weren't there together, but if we comparing Doffy's crew, with Vergo vs Pica, Vergo outclasses Pica in everyway especially he wouldn't run away from a fight and hide scared.

Honestly if we comparing NW enemies, Sanji had more stronger foes than Zoro have on his end from clashes to full fights. It's back and forth on who face stronger enemy as Oda doesn't necessary go with route as he likes to be unpredictable sometimes on who face who.

 

[albertwv]

You can dodge attacks or he can block or tank them. King isn't going to be standing there just by looking at ZoLo though. He has nothing to push how he will contain King if he flies away and choose to outspeed him, so Queen can be one of his possible opponents given he is more grounded for Zoro and he has weapons too, so not like he won't be using them as he fights. King holding sword doesn't stop him from fighting Sanji either as he looks to be diverse on how he fights like Queen is, so doesn't make sense why go for other when both are diverse on how they fight. Kinda like Jabra and Kaku who fight in various ways with their Cipher Pol techniques combine with their DF, so takes nothing away from who they face.

It's not small if your crashing into another area with someone. Reminds me more like Sanji vs Jabra when they first started fighting. Also not really as they can still get up there and Orochi and Kanjuro acted like they were down before, but wasn't especially given Orochi's DF, he isn't out of it just yet given DF abilities.

Yeah I know, but Jabra and Kaku were evenly match as it didn't count them as DF experience and only their Base Forms. Jabra is more experience with his DF unlike Kaku who just ate his in the art and you can see he was still adjusting. No one was stronger than other in that. Also all those arcs you mention, Zolo never face stronger one as Sanji face stronger ones in AP, Enies Lobby (Possibly), Thriller Bark, Fishman Island, etc.. Dressrosa they weren't there together, but if we comparing Doffy's crew, with Vergo vs Pica, Vergo outclasses Pica in everyway especially he wouldn't run away from a fight and hide scared.

Honestly if we comparing NW enemies, Sanji had more stronger foes than Zoro have on his end from clashes to full fights. It's back and forth on who face stronger enemy as Oda doesn't necessary go with route as he likes to be unpredictable sometimes on who face who.

Dude, Kaku was stronger than Jabura before DF, Oda stated it in the manga. Zolo tends to fight the 2nd strongest opponent that is how Oda portrays it. Are you going agaisnt ODA?
Vergo vs Pica, can be a tie with Vergo leaning to win yes, but Vergo was stronger than Sanji at the time of their fight, we already discussed all the possibilities.
Ill give you examples on Zolo and Sanji's opponents,
Hachi > Kurobi
Mr. 1 > Mr. 2
Kaku > Jabura
Ryuma > Absalom

 

[Fox666]

Dude, Kaku was stronger than Jabura before DF, Oda stated it in the manga.

It was a 1% difference.

Hachi > Kurobi

Quite sure all of Arlong executives are equals.

 

[albertwv]

It was a 1% difference.


Quite sure all of Arlong executives are equals.

Kaku's Douriki was 2200
Jabura was 2180.
Pretty close but solid fact that Kaku was stronger.
Hatchi and Kurobi maybe are the same strength but not Chuu since he lost to Usopp.