Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[sharkai]

A lot of the villains relied to much on their magic making them weak in other things

exactly. i think most people perfer fights like erza vs laxus or natsu vs grey, instead of what we get. hell i find serena taking out GOI more impressive than ausgust beating CS because they were disadvantaged against him

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Sure, but put Dimaria vs Jacob and it's an automatic no diff, people only assume the hax don't work when the character is fighting someone beyond their weightclass. If you wanna assume August's hax don't work on Ignia, then go right ahead, even Natsu has probably reached that point to be honest, maybe.
And no, haxy characters are generally ranked at the top. Dimaria, August, Acnologia, like you said, and they're all ranked as the best even among people who should be their peers. August is widely believed as Eileen's superior(though not necessarily cause of hax). Dimaria is mostly ranked as the best normal spriggan, some people even think she's better than Larcade, who should be a cut above. And Acnologia is near universally seen as well above the Dragon Gods, despite them being his equal in power.

Sure, she could, she's August's equal after all, but she didn't, which is why she didn't live up to her hype as well.
Nope, they'd troll him too, like i said, he's Eileen's equal, but he wasn't, which is why he lived up to his hype(he didn't, he's still trash, but fighting Gildarts is obviously better than fighting Erza)

Sure, because that's what the manga implied in Gildarts flashback.

Dimeria is not ranked on top (atleast not in the manga). no body knew aconologia was haxy. august is the only one

maybe its ds maybe its not. why didnt natsu eat it, if it was just fire (ds fire or normal fire would be eaten)

i believe there was even an opnion that wahl and laxus kept on fighting even in dimeria time stop.

hax makes a normal gap huge. the cheat magic becomes hell for power ranking. White witch took out entire fairy tail, doubt white witch tier laxus or gajeel like character would have done the same.

weightclass thing is also fan made. kiria hax didnt work on laxus because of his weak heart not his weight class. mishma doesnt really have rule for it. zeref curse was working fine on aldron. future rouge spell worked on GMG dragons. for all we know koyoka hax might work on mard.

 

[Seven777]

Dimeria is not ranked on top (atleast not in the manga). no body knew aconologia was haxy. august is the only one

maybe its ds maybe its not. why didnt natsu eat it, if it was just fire (ds fire or normal fire would be eaten)

i believe there was even an opnion that wahl and laxus kept on fighting even in dimeria time stop.

hax makes a normal gap huge. the cheat magic becomes hell for power ranking. White witch took out entire fairy tail, doubt white witch tier laxus or gajeel like character would have done the same.

weightclass thing is also fan made. kiria hax didnt work on laxus because of his weak heart not his weight class. mishma doesnt really have rule for it. zeref curse was working fine on aldron. future rouge spell worked on GMG dragons. for all we know koyoka hax might work on mard.

I'm not talking about the manga, I'm talking about how the fanbase see's her, same for August and Acnologia.

Irrelevant, whether Melt is DS magic or not, you said people like to give August DS magic to beat Eileen, implying some sort of bias, when in reality there is a legitimate reason people to think this is the case entirely separate from Eileen, and that would be Gildarts flashback. As for why Natsu didn't eat it, he had to negate it to save everyone.

Could be, doesn't change the fact that Dimaria is largely viewed as the strongest normal spriggan.

So? It being hell for you has nothing to do with August living up to his hype, he accomplished what he did with his own strength, that's why people view him less trash. You expect people to theorize what he could do without his only magic when he only has feats with that magic lol? Not happening.

Of course it is, %90 of the things we talk about here are fan made assumptions, including "weightclass" and "hax magic". There is no rule for it because "it" is entirely made up by the fan base. August being strong with his magic is no different than Natsu being strong with his magic, take away Natsu's DS magic and he ain't shit. At the end of the day August was hyped as being the strongest spriggans and his feats prove that.

 

[sharkai]

I'm not talking about the manga, I'm talking about how the fanbase see's her, same for August and Acnologia.

Irrelevant, whether Melt is DS magic or not, you said people like to give August DS magic to beat Eileen, implying some sort of bias, when in reality there is a legitimate reason people to think this is the case entirely separate from Eileen, and that would be Gildarts flashback. As for why Natsu didn't eat it, he had to negate it to save everyone.

Could be, doesn't change the fact that Dimaria is largely viewed as the strongest normal spriggan.

So? It being hell for you has nothing to do with August living up to his hype, he accomplished what he did with his own strength, that's why people view him less trash. You expect people to theorize what he could do without his only magic when he only has feats with that magic lol? Not happening.

Of course it is, %90 of the things we talk about here are fan made assumptions, including "weightclass" and "hax magic". There is no rule for it because "it" is entirely made up by the fan base. August being strong with his magic is no different than Natsu being strong with his magic, take away Natsu's DS magic and he ain't shit. At the end of the day August was hyped as being the strongest spriggans and his feats prove that.

i am talking about the manga. the cannon top in nearly every arc is non hax user.

na my point was just august gets feats he actually doesnt have (that is why he has fan hype). same does not apply for irene. but if it did, enhance human irene will have stats equal or above gildarts. August actual feats are lack luster.
he didnt accomplish much. he didnt even keep jellal or cobra down for long. his only accomplishment is him fighting with gildarts and dodging cana cards. most of fan hype comes from fan creating feats for him which he doesnt have. time stop, ds magic, him being able to nulify magic of his own equal, his durability, his attack power.

removing hax thing, but that is how you do it no? if say its koyoka vs mard. you will ignore koyoka hax and go from their. if its brandish vs lacarde, you will ignore brandish hax and go from their. or jacob vs laxus too

August being strong with his magic is no different than Natsu being strong with his magic, take away Natsu's DS magic and he ain't shit. At the end of the day August was hyped as being the strongest spriggans and his feats prove that.
this also not so simple when hax user are there. a hax mage equivalent of natsu would low diff natsu. august tier mage without august hax will also get low diff by august (i would also like to add dimeria with her time stop would have easily beaten CS + GOI + cana if her time stop worked). some people magic give them way too much unfair advantage

 

[Seven777]

i am talking about the manga. the cannon top in nearly every arc is non hax user.

na my point was just august gets feats he actually doesnt have (that is why he has fan hype). same does not apply for irene. but if it did, enhance human irene will have stats equal or above gildarts. August actual feats are lack luster.
he didnt accomplish much. he didnt even keep jellal or cobra down for long. his only accomplishment is him fighting with gildarts and dodging cana cards. most of fan hype comes from fan creating feats for him which he doesnt have. time stop, ds magic, him being able to nulify magic of his own equal, his durability, his attack power.

removing hax thing, but that is how you do it no? if say its koyoka vs mard. you will ignore koyoka hax and go from their. if its brandish vs lacarde, you will ignore brandish hax and go from their. or jacob vs laxus too

August being strong with his magic is no different than Natsu being strong with his magic, take away Natsu's DS magic and he ain't shit. At the end of the day August was hyped as being the strongest spriggans and his feats prove that.
this also not so simple when hax user are there. a hax mage equivalent of natsu would low diff natsu. august tier mage without august hax will also get low diff by august (i would also like to add dimeria with her time stop would have easily beaten CS + GOI + cana if her time stop worked). some people magic give them way too much unfair advantage

Why? Are we not talking about how disappointing people are? That's what I thought we were talking about. As for canon top, August isn't canon top.

It's not a feat that he doesn't have if he does it in the manga. You can debate whether it's the feat you think it is or not, but it isn't given to him, it's there.
Sure, that's his only accomplishment, but fighting Gildarts is a better feat than any other spriggan has. As for fan hype, sure, the manga portrays him as the best and people believe it, especially given how he wrecked Jellal and co.
Feats aren't "created" no one is saying August has done those things, they're just assuming he can, because hype and statements. He knows more magic than anyone else in the world, even Zeref, by hype and statements, August can do all those things and given his company he logically should be able to do all these things, these aren't feats though

Not necessarily, Kyoka's hax might work on Mard, it might not, either way Mard still wins easily, because he's her known superior. Same with Larcade and Laxus.

Having an unfair advantage is just part of what makes a character strong. Is it unfair that Natsu has Dragon Force? An ability that lets him boost his power beyond his normal "standard stats" while most other wizards have to stay in base? Of course it is, if Natsu was an Ice Make wizard with the exact same magic power and the exact same stats he wouldn't be anywhere close to as powerful as he is now. Not all magic is equal, some magic is unfair, but it doesn't matter, because it's still part of your strength.

 

[WoWfan]

A lot of the villains relied to much on their magic making them weak in other things

Not really, Magic is not really much different than their other stats, with a few exceptions

 

[LaGOAT]

@Seven777 made perfect sense @sharkai you cant jus take someone hax away because you believe its OP. its part of their magic/strength. the hax has to be consistently OP to make it look unstoppable. jacob's hax have been proven by just speed blitzing him (happy was able to stop him from clapping) most FT core members would easily blitz jacob. dimaria situation was stop by natsu power by simply having a higher MP/CP than her so IMO natsu gildartz laxus erza and gray would bypassed that.(and yes these same ppl can beat brandish too) i mean perfect example is gray vs thunder tribe ever and bixlow has hax powers by was speed blitzed by gray so basically what im saying is hax can be bypassed by simply having certain aspects that the manga provides.

august and irene situation a lot of people use same tier=equal in power which shouldnt be the case just because ur in the same tier doesnt mean ur equal in power. IMO august is lil stronger than irene. simply cause statements and hype and Feats. i dont really trust statements all the time cause it has to be consistent to the story. (i mean it was said that all spriggans were equal in power which wasnt the case) august feats are superior. he showed why he is consider the strongest to most fans than irene.

 

[WoWfan]

I don’t know if happy would be a good example as it was more comedy affect than not, with Natsu, he has END powers which bypasses Dimaria’s god powers. Gray merely just Tricked the Thunder Tribe to using their eye powers on each other

 

[LaGOAT]

I don’t know if happy would be a good example as it was more comedy affect than not, with Natsu, he has END powers which bypasses Dimaria’s god powers. Gray merely just Tricked the Thunder Tribe to using their eye powers on each other

ok ur saying that 1v1 non of the top FT members cant speed blitz him? 2. i know gray was gong toe to toe with END erza casually stop both of them. 3.gray till speed blitz them so...

 

[Ramen]

ok ur saying that 1v1 non of the top FT members cant speed blitz him? 2. i know gray was gong toe to toe with END erza casually stop both of them. 3.gray till speed blitz them so...

Speed blitz who?

 

[Ratrace]

Not really, Magic is not really much different than their other stats, with a few exceptions

It doesn't seem like it because there's a lot of mages that seems to have high mp but weak in Durability or not great at CQC.

 

[LaGOAT]

Speed blitz who?

jacob

 

[WoWfan]

It doesn't seem like it because there's a lot of mages that seems to have high mp but weak in Durability or not great at CQC.

there are very few Mages that fit that description.

ok ur saying that 1v1 non of the top FT members cant speed blitz him? 2. i know gray was gong toe to toe with END erza casually stop both of them. 3.gray till speed blitz them so...

If they actually have the means to speed blitz sure, but I doubt it. END who was still transforming and his magic works best against him and stopped actually fighting all together because of feelings Her handS clearly showed it was damaged And would likely receive more damage if they continued. Because of difference in stats, doesn’t mean he could overcome their haxe though

 

[LaGOAT]

there are very few Mages that fit that description.



If they actually have the means to speed blitz sure, but I doubt it. END who was still transforming and his magic works best against him and stopped actually fighting all together because of feelings Her handS clearly showed it was damaged And would likely receive more damage if they continued. Because of difference in stats, doesn’t mean he could overcome their haxe though

I mean I don’t know what you mean by that but Some of the members can and that was my point.
2. That’s ur Personal Opinion if he was transforming imo that was END I’m assuming that you are expecting him to look like an actual demon than human. And? Tartaros gray can’t beat mard geer despite 1v1 and end>Mard geer that shouldn’t be the excuse. Flawed logic because by that logic ur saying if max was in erza shoes he would perform the same feat which most ppl know that isn’t true. And what if she damaged? Erza was tanking irene attacks. 3. Having Different stats is part of some1 strength so I don’t know What ur trying to say

 

[WoWfan]

but in the situation at that time, there was no one who could spee blitz, in the beginning he had no demon markings when he was transforming, but overtime it grew further on his arms. END was never appeared in Tartaros, but that didn't stop Gray from delivering actual damaging blows. Max is not even comparable, don't know what that point is about. Erza had most of her bones broken, and would have lost anyway had shenanigans happened. he could not stop hax with stats though, he had to dodge or don't look

 

[GL_Nova]

@Seven777 made perfect sense @sharkai you cant jus take someone hax away because you believe its OP. its part of their magic/strength. the hax has to be consistently OP to make it look unstoppable. jacob's hax have been proven by just speed blitzing him (happy was able to stop him from clapping) most FT core members would easily blitz jacob. dimaria situation was stop by natsu power by simply having a higher MP/CP than her so IMO natsu gildartz laxus erza and gray would bypassed that.(and yes these same ppl can beat brandish too) i mean perfect example is gray vs thunder tribe ever and bixlow has hax powers by was speed blitzed by gray so basically what im saying is hax can be bypassed by simply having certain aspects that the manga provides.

august and irene situation a lot of people use same tier=equal in power which shouldnt be the case just because ur in the same tier doesnt mean ur equal in power. IMO august is lil stronger than irene. simply cause statements and hype and Feats. i dont really trust statements all the time cause it has to be consistent to the story. (i mean it was said that all spriggans were equal in power which wasnt the case) august feats are superior. he showed why he is consider the strongest to most fans than irene.

This is an important distinction. Just because your in the same tier it doesn’t mean you’re the same level. I think Laxus, and Erza, have reached Gildarts tier. I don’t think either has reached his level. It’s an important distinction.

 

[Ratrace]

there are very few Mages that fit that description.



If they actually have the means to speed blitz sure, but I doubt it. END who was still transforming and his magic works best against him and stopped actually fighting all together because of feelings Her handS clearly showed it was damaged And would likely receive more damage if they continued. Because of difference in stats, doesn’t mean he could overcome their haxe though

A lot of them are villains

 

[WoWfan]

A lot of them are villains

Even there were very few of them

 

[LaGOAT]

but in the situation at that time, there was no one who could spee blitz, in the beginning he had no demon markings when he was transforming, but overtime it grew further on his arms. END was never appeared in Tartaros, but that didn't stop Gray from delivering actual damaging blows. Max is not even comparable, don't know what that point is about. Erza had most of her bones broken, and would have lost anyway had shenanigans happened. he could not stop hax with stats though, he had to dodge or don't look

that situation doesnt matter in a 1v1 fight most of them would speedblitz him. espcially when jacob used it on non FT core member IIRC. show me panels i dont remember and even if he did there was no proof he would have overcame gray and erza. 2. i never said he appeared in tartaros im giving an example of gray having slayer advantage and wasnt able to beat mard on his own. u was saying that cuz gray has slayer advantage is the main reason was able to go toe to toe with END. they stopped after erza clashed was able to stop both their attacks and i was saying her getting damage or not doesnt prove anything about end or gray>erza that was my point and i brought up max cuz u believed it was of "Feelings". once again and? irene attacks>end and gray correct? so i dont get ur point. 3. ok? again he speedblitzed them which is part of his stat/strength bro MP,physical strength,hax speed ,intellgence etc they are all different stats.

 

[Ratrace]

Even there were very few of them

You're probably right the more I think about it but I still don't think MP equals everything else

 

[WoWfan]

i would disagree but that is what opinions are for.

that situation doesnt matter in a 1v1 fight most of them would speedblitz him. espcially when jacob used it on non FT core member IIRC. show me panels i dont remember and even if he did there was no proof he would have overcame gray and erza. 2. i never said he appeared in tartaros im giving an example of gray having slayer advantage and wasnt able to beat mard on his own. u was saying that cuz gray has slayer advantage is the main reason was able to go toe to toe with END. they stopped after erza clashed was able to stop both their attacks and i was saying her getting damage or not doesnt prove anything about end or gray>erza that was my point and i brought up max cuz u believed it was of "Feelings". once again and? irene attacks>end and gray correct? so i dont get ur point. 3. ok? again he speedblitzed them which is part of his stat/strength bro MP,physical strength,hax speed ,intellgence etc they are all different stats.

Not most as there are very few in FT at the time that could, Makarov and Cana was there who the latter could attack August directly.

here is END Natsu at the beginning And at the end

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