Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[LaGOAT]

i would disagree but that is what opinions are for.


Not most as there are very few in FT at the time that could, Makarov and Cana was there who the latter could attack August directly.

here is END Natsu at the beginning And at the end

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If emotions shenanigans didn’t happen, he would have transformed further and would eventually overtake one or both of them. Gray and END Natsu stopped because of emotions. Erza could not beat a Spriggan on her own, while Gray got a power up to defeat one, so yes Demon Gray > Erza. END was still changing And would still get stronger, and would kill Zeref Who is > Irene, the only thing keeping her in a fight With END is her Magic Immunity Scales. Not really as Magic power does equate to one’s stats which the MPF showed.

sorry i meant some of the FT members.

fair enough but what was u expecting to look like a actual demon? what im saying how do u know that isnt his final form vs gray? that is why i believe that END was his final form. 2. erza cant beat a spriggan? what do u mean she can beat most of the spriggans. if ur talking about vs ajeel. she was handicapped she couldnt equip properly plus she has nakagama armor to oneshot ajeel anyways. except that natsu had a stronger power up than END which was ingeel power and dragon force that could have killed zeref(base) as well (speculation dont know for certain) so no proof that END would have done the same. erza>gray she busted her strongest attack and survived a dragon swipe>stalemating END and beating invel. lol irene>>end thats a fact bro i dont know u believe otherwise lol. eyy yo @Jko get ur boy lol
MP=one's stat just like every other stats mpf showed who has the highest MP that doesnt determine who is stronger thats where im trying to get at

 

[Axiomus]

Blocking END and Gray's attacks only gave Erza's hands superficial damage. She used the same hand burned by END to swing her sword that cracked Irene's meteor and cut down her dragon form. If she wanted to avoid damage, she could have blocked with her swords. If she wanted to actually hurt Natsu and Gray, she could have simply slashed at their arms instead of blocking at all. She didn't do this because she didn't want to hurt them. Erza would annihilate the version of END Natsu that fought Gray. Erza is at least on Laxus' level when fighting normally, and at max POF she swings harder than attacks generated from Irene. She can cut Irene out of her dragon form. Erza now has a devil slaying sword, and END doesn't even have physicals to match Irene's dragon form in the first place. Or curse power to generate an attack on the level of deus sema for that matter.

Zeref didn't even die to an attack that overpowered Fairy Heart and burned time itself. He didn't die to DF Natsu's attack which vaporized his body. He didn't die from an FDK punch with Igneel's power, which was the one thing that Zeref actually thought he had a chance of dying to. The likelihood that END's power was going to succeed where all of that failed is slim to none, considering Natsu is cut off from his greatest source of power when he's tapping into END's power. Not once in the series has Zeref actually said END's power could kill him. Zeref's suicide plan was for Natsu to learn magic from Igneel, and become strong enough to kill him. END's power was never even part of the equation. Zeref completely ignored it. END having the power to kill Zeref is simply an assumption made by the fans. Anything stronger than what we saw in the fight with Gray is also an assumption.

Besides, the dragon seed and demon seed fusing was actually killing Natsu. The only keeping Natsu moving was the negative emotions he felt over thinking Lucy was dead. Once Natsu calmed down, he went back to dying. Had the seeds been allowed to completely fuse, Natsu would have simply dropped dead mid rampage.

 

[WoWfan]

My expectations? Whatever Hiro was going for before he changed things, he originally had him be a demon with horns in the beginning iirc. She has not even beaten one by herself, Ajeel, She Still needed help even without it, Irene she didn’t beat even with help, Neinhart she was beaten By herself. Igneel was likely not enough against Zeref who only speculated. dragon force was not enough as Zeref was immorta. Zeref created END to kill him for that reason, so his powers were to do so. Erza has help against Irene, not really the same thing, even Invel recognized that Natsu as END was a genuine threat to Zeref which would make END stronger (at least his incomplete state)

 

[Axiomus]

In the chapter literally titled "The Greatest Power", Natsu talks about how he forgot about his greatest source of power when he was END. It's his feelings towards his guild. He then proceeds to use an attack that overpowers Fairy Heart's infinite magic and burned time itself. That was still not enough to kill Zeref. The likelihood of END succeeding where this failed is slim to none.

Spoiler

And Zeref created every demon in an attempt to kill him. None could do it, and Zeref never said that END could either. In the end, his best bet was to get Igneel to teach Natsu to be strong enough that he could.

 

[WoWfan]

That is rather universal for power of feelings as anyone can do that In the right mind set, Zeref would likely have died from END with his powers interacting with that of God based powers. Zeref literally said that with END was likely to reach him or Natsu, the latter failed to do so, it is because Natsu did not listen to him is that he gave him to Igneel

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu can only tap into his END powers when he's experiencing negative emotions. As soon as he remembered about his friendship with Erza and Gray, END's power dissipates. The mindset Natsu has to be in to tap into his greatest power is incompatible with the mindset he has to be in to tap into END's power.

Spoiler

Anything about the limits of END's power above what we can see from his fight with Gray is merely an assumption. It was never stated that END can simply ignore every god's power. He has more power than a god, namely Chronos. Doesn't mean he has more power than Ankhseram. In fact, when he beat Dimaria he had less power than Irene or Erza.

 

[WoWfan]

But it still had influence over him as it’s power still existed, that is not true as even a dragon‘s full power is when transforming into a dragon slayer, and all we have seen are partial transformations, that would hold true for END power as it was a slow transformation, his power is based on hax mostly Involved god powers as well as strength To surpass that of a Spriggan. END was already stronger than Dimaria then, while his other powers would not help

 

[sharkai]

Why? Are we not talking about how disappointing people are? That's what I thought we were talking about. As for canon top, August isn't canon top.

It's not a feat that he doesn't have if he does it in the manga. You can debate whether it's the feat you think it is or not, but it isn't given to him, it's there.
Sure, that's his only accomplishment, but fighting Gildarts is a better feat than any other spriggan has. As for fan hype, sure, the manga portrays him as the best and people believe it, especially given how he wrecked Jellal and co.
Feats aren't "created" no one is saying August has done those things, they're just assuming he can, because hype and statements. He knows more magic than anyone else in the world, even Zeref, by hype and statements, August can do all those things and given his company he logically should be able to do all these things, these aren't feats though

Not necessarily, Kyoka's hax might work on Mard, it might not, either way Mard still wins easily, because he's her known superior. Same with Larcade and Laxus.

Having an unfair advantage is just part of what makes a character strong. Is it unfair that Natsu has Dragon Force? An ability that lets him boost his power beyond his normal "standard stats" while most other wizards have to stay in base? Of course it is, if Natsu was an Ice Make wizard with the exact same magic power and the exact same stats he wouldn't be anywhere close to as powerful as he is now. Not all magic is equal, some magic is unfair, but it doesn't matter, because it's still part of your strength.

@Seven777 made perfect sense @sharkai you cant jus take someone hax away because you believe its OP. its part of their magic/strength. the hax has to be consistently OP to make it look unstoppable. jacob's hax have been proven by just speed blitzing him (happy was able to stop him from clapping) most FT core members would easily blitz jacob. dimaria situation was stop by natsu power by simply having a higher MP/CP than her so IMO natsu gildartz laxus erza and gray would bypassed that.(and yes these same ppl can beat brandish too) i mean perfect example is gray vs thunder tribe ever and bixlow has hax powers by was speed blitzed by gray so basically what im saying is hax can be bypassed by simply having certain aspects that the manga provides.

august and irene situation a lot of people use same tier=equal in power which shouldnt be the case just because ur in the same tier doesnt mean ur equal in power. IMO august is lil stronger than irene. simply cause statements and hype and Feats. i dont really trust statements all the time cause it has to be consistent to the story. (i mean it was said that all spriggans were equal in power which wasnt the case) august feats are superior. he showed why he is consider the strongest to most fans than irene.

DF natsu is actually pretty unfair, which pretty much lower the entire manga value. as some user here said, rest of the fairy tail should practice on cheer leading now.

if the person is connonically at the top, people will have some actual basis for their hype. august is the strongest springgan. he is pretty much the only top guy with hax.
his feats are knocking down jellal and co, not wrecking them. that is why jellal and cobra are fine few moments. wrecked people generally dont tend to come back in few hours. did you see any GOI, yeah they wrecked by serena. ajeel can back but it took i think a day or so.
I mean think about, can august take out erza? he cant nullify her magic, he doesnt really have attack power feat to put something like erza down. August is given feats like this to stand a chance when his hax is not there

now i want to bring something @LaGOAT said
jacob can easily be blitzed top good guys
dimeria hax can be overcome by top good guys
evergreen can easily be blitz by top good guys
do you note inconsistency, both evergreen and jacob has an attack which must be stopped immidiatly or even laxus like guys gets one shot, or some how evergreen hax works on gray and dimeria hax doesnt. whats up with this.
say we have jacob vs laxus. and laxus doesnt know of transport. and jacob hax works fine. laxus easily get beaten, hell its a one shot no? did jacob proved he is stronger than pretty much all the springgans

generally speaking almost all hax are absolute till that villian final fight.

and @LaGOAT how are you saying August is little more powerful than irene. how are you coming to this conclusion?

 

[LaGOAT]

My expectations? Whatever Hiro was going for before he changed things, he originally had him be a demon with horns in the beginning iirc. She has not even beaten one by herself, Ajeel, She Still needed help even without it, Irene she didn’t beat even with help, Neinhart she was beaten By herself. Igneel was likely not enough against Zeref who only speculated. dragon force was not enough as Zeref was immorta. Zeref created END to kill him for that reason, so his powers were to do so. Erza has help against Irene, not really the same thing, even Invel recognized that Natsu as END was a genuine threat to Zeref which would make END stronger (at least his incomplete state)

that is up to speculation what we saw it in the manga was end. show me proof that that was hiro original plans. how would she need help? the way she was struggling in the beginning wouldn't had happened she would have used nakamgami armor eariler. i never said she can beat irene 1v1 im saying her feats>gray cuz she busted a meteor and survived a dragon swipe from a dragon irene. im saying that erza can beat most spriggans. zeref creating end to kill him doesnt guarantee its going to happen he could be speculating too. feats wise end isnt on DF or IG powered natsu level. plus im not arguing if it could kill him or not im proving that both power ups>END. erza busted a meteor and the dragon swipe wasnt any help. what invel said isnt any different about what zeref said about lacarde about being a threat to acno (and at least prove his feats because him magic affected irene)

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DF natsu is actually pretty unfair, which pretty much lower the entire manga value. as some user here said, rest of the fairy tail should practice on cheer leading now.

if the person is connonically at the top, people will have some actual basis for their hype. august is the strongest springgan. he is pretty much the only top guy with hax.
his feats are knocking down jellal and co, not wrecking them. that is why jellal and cobra are fine few moments. wrecked people generally dont tend to come back in few hours. did you see any GOI, yeah they wrecked by serena. ajeel can back but it took i think a day or so.
I mean think about, can august take out erza? he cant nullify her magic, he doesnt really have attack power feat to put something like erza down. August is given feats like this to stand a chance when his hax is not there

now i want to bring something @LaGOAT said
jacob can easily be blitzed top good guys
dimeria hax can be overcome by top good guys
evergreen can easily be blitz by top good guys
do you note inconsistency, both evergreen and jacob has an attack which must be stopped immidiatly or even laxus like guys gets one shot, or some how evergreen hax works on gray and dimeria hax doesnt. whats up with this.
say we have jacob vs laxus. and laxus doesnt know of transport. and jacob hax works fine. laxus easily get beaten, hell its a one shot no? did jacob proved he is stronger than pretty much all the springgans

generally speaking almost all hax are absolute till that villian final fight.

and @LaGOAT how are you saying August is little more powerful than irene. how are you coming to this conclusion?

i dont see the inconsistency
cuz ur looking at a story stand point in a vs battle aka a fantasy battle/blood lust battle that doesnt matter. 2. if we go by that logic the current top guys know all of the spriggians power so thats irrelevant. 3. let say i believe that jacob oneshots laxus if the spriggans doesnt show any other better feats than yes he is. Which is why dont consider zeref all the powerful. zeref is fodder to me

august perform better than irene. wendy alone counter her attacks and erza busted her strongest attack and got injury by a sprinkle of wendy DS magic in her dragon form august tanked gildartz strongest attack with lil to no damage.

 

[Ramen]

Makarov stomps any x784 character except Hades and MAYBE Bluenote (what do you think of Bluenote vs Makarov? what diff)

I'll answer you here so we don't get off topic. Bluenote's hype took a hit for me after the Gildarts fight. He was doing well mainly because Azuma drained the magic of the FT members. After, Gildarts broke the black hole and ended the fight with one hit.

Bluenote could do a little damage to Makarov but either Titan form or FL would end it quickly.

 

[grey matter]

I'll answer you here so we don't get off topic. Bluenote's hype took a hit for me after the Gildarts fight. He was doing well mainly because Azuma drained the magic of the FT members. After, Gildarts broke the black hole and ended the fight with one hit.

Bluenote could do a little damage to Makarov but either Titan form or FL would end it quickly.

He did trade blows with Gildarts before Azuma took his powers right?

IMO Makarov could mid diff. Titan form is a bit uncertain for me, Hades threw him around like ragroll, he gets physical strength at the expense of speed, Bluenote can dodge easier.
Of course FL one shots, but it has cast time and I doubt bluenote would allow him to cast it easily

 

[Ramen]

He did trade blows with Gildarts before Azuma took his powers right?

IMO Makarov could mid diff. Titan form is a bit uncertain for me, Hades threw him around like ragroll, he gets physical strength at the expense of speed, Bluenote can dodge easier.
Of course FL one shots, but it has cast time and I doubt bluenote would allow him to cast it easily

Yea but trade blows isn't an indicator IMO. Anyone could technically trade blows with anyone. Even Elfman could probably trade blows with GS but still get stomped.

IMO Makarov could mid diff. Titan form is a bit uncertain for me, Hades threw him around like ragroll, he gets physical strength at the expense of speed, Bluenote can dodge easier.
Of course FL one shots, but it has cast time and I doubt bluenote would allow him to cast it easily

Didn't heart problems play a role in that Hades fight? Also him reminiscing against his old master? Makarov won't have those feelings for Bluenote and go for the kill right away. Mid diff at the most.

Makarov would throw Bluenote around as a titan than cast FL.

 

[sharkai]

august perform better than irene. wendy alone counter her attacks and erza busted her strongest attack and got injury by a sprinkle of wendy DS magic in her dragon form august tanked gildartz strongest attack with lil to no damage.

wendy can counter alot of things. she is also one of the main reason aconologia is dead. erm there was erza in that sprinkle of ds magic too who later blew rot aconologia out the sky.
after august "tanked" that move, he thought killing himself was best way to beat gildarts . he was also getting hurt by cana cards. he took brandish butter knife pretty bad as well.

Sorry, this is not my point.
my point was how do you know August is stronger because
August is a hax mage
while
Irene brute strength dragon/mage
how can you compare them, especially in power. because august really doesnt have power feat.

 

[WoWfan]

LaGOAT, you realize that Nakagami armor is a one hit deal, she can’t just use it whenever, even her Black Wing Armor would have helped as it increases the power of each attack. barely survived as she was not going to last much longer, if anything, that meteor was weaker than Irene’s physical attacks. Zeref did not guarantee that any other attacks would work against him from Natsu too, that is why he was hoping for END’s resurrection. IG power did not really show much as it was even reacting to Spriggan power, Dragon Force would do less as well. Actually Larcade’s Magic can technically work as Acno did sleep and/or eat before, probably even had sex while at it, it basically disregards his Magic immunity And goes for things he is not immune to.

 

[Seven777]

DF natsu is actually pretty unfair, which pretty much lower the entire manga value. as some user here said, rest of the fairy tail should practice on cheer leading now.

if the person is connonically at the top, people will have some actual basis for their hype. august is the strongest springgan. he is pretty much the only top guy with hax.
his feats are knocking down jellal and co, not wrecking them. that is why jellal and cobra are fine few moments. wrecked people generally dont tend to come back in few hours. did you see any GOI, yeah they wrecked by serena. ajeel can back but it took i think a day or so.
I mean think about, can august take out erza? he cant nullify her magic, he doesnt really have attack power feat to put something like erza down. August is given feats like this to stand a chance when his hax is not there

now i want to bring something @LaGOAT said
jacob can easily be blitzed top good guys
dimeria hax can be overcome by top good guys
evergreen can easily be blitz by top good guys
do you note inconsistency, both evergreen and jacob has an attack which must be stopped immidiatly or even laxus like guys gets one shot, or some how evergreen hax works on gray and dimeria hax doesnt. whats up with this.
say we have jacob vs laxus. and laxus doesnt know of transport. and jacob hax works fine. laxus easily get beaten, hell its a one shot no? did jacob proved he is stronger than pretty much all the springgans

generally speaking almost all hax are absolute till that villian final fight.

and @LaGOAT how are you saying August is little more powerful than irene. how are you coming to this conclusion?

Sure, doesn't change the fact that DF Natsu has lived up to his hype more than any villain in the manga, at least recently.

Strongest spriggan, sure, but spriggans are just the small fish of the arc. Acno was the canon top, followed by FH Zeref. As for Jellal and Co getting back up, doesn't detract from his hype in the slightest, he won, totally and completely, the whole scene was specifically designed to prove he was a monster. People get up all the time, the entirety of team Natsu got back up after getting wrecked by Zero, doesn't mean Zero didn't wreck their asses. Same with FT against Abyssal Hades before the tree even came back, and that was like 2 minutes later, 2 seconds in Natsu's case lol, doesn't change the fact that Hades wrecked their asses. As for why the GoI don't get back up, that's obvious, they're not relevant enough.
As for if August can take out Erza, course he can, in fact he probably takes out Erza and Wendy at the same time. As for attack power feat, if he can down Jellal and co, he can down Erza and Wendy, piercing Mira and Gildarts also means he can pierce Erza. That aside, even if he lost, there are less users of holder magic than there are dragon slayers lol, significantly less, and if we're talking about competent holder mages, then there is only two, Gildarts and Erza, so Eileen's "dragon hax" is significantly more situational than August's.

 

[Aurelius]

Btw, what are your thoughts on the power of Selene?

Well I'm interested in her the most for obvious reasons I think/hope she's the strongest/biggest threat. I see Ignia as more of someone as personal 1 v 1 for Natsu and Viernes is just a cosplayer of a gold mine . Regarding her power, I agree with Kurumi about her secondary magic. Obviously the main has to do with moon, it would be cool if she's like a reverse Escanor with the moon and at a full moon she can control tides and such, and basically be a global calamity.

...

Oh I missed the Hyberion discussion, just wanted to say, Hyberion was nerfed, we didn't get to see his vampire magic under the height of darkness Under those conditions, he would've been August Level

 

[Nie Li]

Oh I missed the Hyberion discussion, just wanted to say, Hyberion was nerfed, we didn't get to see his vampire magic under a full moon Under those conditions, he would've been August Level

What's this about a full moon? Isn't that for werewolves?

 

[Aurelius]

What's this about a full moon? Isn't that for werewolves?

Fixed

So this means Wolf gramps was also nerfed . Full moon for him and darkness for Hyberion. Small glitch, but point remains

 

[LaGOAT]

wendy can counter alot of things. she is also one of the main reason aconologia is dead. erm there was erza in that sprinkle of ds magic too who later blew rot aconologia out the sky.
after august "tanked" that move, he thought killing himself was best way to beat gildarts . he was also getting hurt by cana cards. he took brandish butter knife pretty bad as well.

Sorry, this is not my point.
my point was how do you know August is stronger because
August is a hax mage
while
Irene brute strength dragon/mage
how can you compare them, especially in power. because august really doesnt have power feat.

all wendy did is give natsu all the DS MP to down acno she wasnt trade blows with acno unlike irene. well imo u just need DS magic to damage dragon irene thats not a problem i mean wendy and erza was able to put damage on human irene so doesnt matter. alot of people has pushed acnologia in the series he just a lightweight simple plus he didnt receive any damage anyways so.....
august suicide spell was to kill every1 in the city not just gildartz. cana cards didnt do any damage either. ya cuz he was off guard thats like saying brandish durability is trash cuz cana onehsotted her

august perform better than irene i gave u his accolades his accolades are better than irene. anything irene throws at him he simply copying/negating
ok and?
brandish is a hax mage
natsu is a brute close combat mage.
but we know natsu>brandish so it doesnt matter. at the end of the day the type of mage you are shouldnt matter as much if your using it for combat.

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LaGOAT, you realize that Nakagami armor is a one hit deal, she can’t just use it whenever, even her Black Wing Armor would have helped as it increases the power of each attack. barely survived as she was not going to last much longer, if anything, that meteor was weaker than Irene’s physical attacks. Zeref did not guarantee that any other attacks would work against him from Natsu too, that is why he was hoping for END’s resurrection. IG power did not really show much as it was even reacting to Spriggan power, Dragon Force would do less as well. Actually Larcade’s Magic can technically work as Acno did sleep and/or eat before, probably even had sex while at it, it basically disregards his Magic immunity And goes for things he is not immune to.

she uses water and wind to counter his sand and when he use sandworld she uses nakamagami armor to negate and oneshot ajeel man its not that hard to get bro. ok but ur speculateing cuz zeref said so. zeref says alot stuff and doesnt its true. IG powered natsu was a possibility we will never know if it will since happy pulled natsu away. DF is the same cuz natsu used on FH zeref not base. at least we have FEATS that shows that was a possibility but not for END. END couldnt down Gray and erza stop his attack. so those 2 power ups>END no matter how much u slice it. i doubt lacarade magic would work on acno. even cobra couldnt read his thoughts but we know acno has a mind

 

[WoWfan]

Ajeel was not in a position to block or dodge when she used it, so it would be a one hit miss under normal conditions, then can you say what you said about zeref is true? That would mean speculations too. Natsu used Savage Flames against FH Zeref Which would be his strongest fire and that did not kill him, like with IG fire, we would not know since Natsu got rid of it, END Natsu was not completely transformed and thus was not at full power, IDS magic counters Demons, Erza was already hurt from his fire which she normally brushed off, Cobra’s mind reading is not the same as Larcade’s magic which is something that affects sensations that were already in use, besides Cobra was attempting it on Acno’s mind self so it would not have worked anyway.