Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

Here's how you solve this debate:

Laxus and Erza die so both become irrelevant.

 

[grey matter]

isn’t there two of them? warren and cosmic

The other ones isn't unreasonable when it comes to Lucy's powers lol, at least as far as I've seen (don't remember much tho)

 

[GL_Nova]

that would mean its 50 50
kinda like can laxus wearing blue shirt beat laxus wearing red shirt?

and definitely not something marakrov normally says, he normally says something along the lines of these villians are far above you
in the manga she negated the lightning, i dont know about the anime.

well i dont watch the anime. i havent seen the movies and i try to avoid filler, because they are sh!t. i dont know, in the manga OS were not enhanced.

not really, she is making tactic, why would she sacrifice her team for this.
jura statement speaks for it self. that nuke put her canonically above laxus (atleast to jura). no jura was going for points too, he took out ichiya who was wide open and also tricked orga (who was trying to trick him). this is how bad guys hype works

if you want weak arguments, you should look at argument about laxus portrayal, now those are weak

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where do you come from man? lol no
afterwards, gray will make a statement saying erza already has SO.

technically, canonically, it was erza > laxus. and laxus finally surpassed her now. that what happened in the current arc. before that apparently he was always below her (to her knowledge, and erza knowledge about powers are pretty good, looking at natsu here)

why don you come in all the way (and have a detailed discussion), then you dont need to come back to this discussion. jumping out of nowhere wont satisfy you

It was a life or death situation, he couldn’t send nobody. The point remaining that he didn’t have confidence in her ability to win. He says she stands the best chance. An she doesn’t really negate it.

Yeah they were. She uses Angel’s as her summons for the rest of the series bro. An you can see other instances of them using the new magic. Like Racer facing Jellal. An if that’s the case you’ve cheated yourself out of some gems.

Again this is paper thin. Her not mentioning FT speaks more to her arrogance than their strength in any sense. This is after Erza’s performance, Laxus taking out all of Raven, and Cana besting Jura’s biggest offensive spell. (Shown) Its a character flaw. An him commenting on her skill using a forbidden magic somehow changes his statement that Laxus is the opponent Jura has been watching the entire tournament.

I mean, when you match the hype.

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Considering the precedence, probably lol. But gonna stay away from Laxus vs Erza for as long as I can. I've got more posts in this topic that many other topics combined, and in the end always go in circle. Always. It's pointless

It’s pointless if you get emotional, but if you can just debate for the fun of it, it’s one of the few good debates left. Most of the others have been clearly eclipses by Natsu and Wendy’s shenanigans.

though full powered Serena vs Laxus or Gildarts could be fun from what it looks like I missed

 

[sharkai]

It was a life or death situation, he couldn’t send nobody. The point remaining that he didn’t have confidence in her ability to win. He says she stands the best chance. An she doesn’t really negate it.

Yeah they were. She uses Angel’s as her summons for the rest of the series bro. An you can see other instances of them using the new magic. Like Racer facing Jellal. An if that’s the case you’ve cheated yourself out of some gems.

Again this is paper thin. Her not mentioning FT speaks more to her arrogance than their strength in any sense. This is after Erza’s performance, Laxus taking out all of Raven, and Cana besting Jura’s biggest offensive spell. (Shown) Its a character flaw. An him commenting on her skill using a forbidden magic somehow changes his statement that Laxus is the opponent Jura has been watching the entire tournament.

I mean, when you match the hype.

markarov doesnt look un confidence at all. any uncertainity is because she is a statue, nothing more. after erza runs out markarov is all hyped up.

angel new magic was werid thing. racer magic didnt look any difference from his OS magic. starry arc is filler, its only meant to entertain, it doesnt add anything in the story. alot of people dont watch anime. Manga is complete, you dont need anything else, others are just fillers for fans

cana wasnt in the last day of gmg. laxus performance against a fodder guild doesnt mean much, literally any character could have done that, including all the way down to elfman. erza performance was awesome, but it wasnt above something kagura or jura couldnt do.

why was jura watching laxus, erza perfromance was much better than his. jura hyped minerva spell. minerva hype kagura. i am sorry, paper thin is mira looking at jura and making that statement, and people think that statement is somehow more valid than marakrov hype about ajeel lol

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@grey matter just wanted to say
that according to the most reliable person in ff arc (laxus)
evergreen should have been above erza. he was pretty pissed that she lost to erza.

this laxus power ranking from ff arc
marakrov >= laxus > mystogan >>>evergreen >erza >>natsu


much love to @Jko for reminding me about that

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@MUIMadara just wanted to say @Crimson Ice clearly showed the two three line of portrayal which you said was supposed to encompass the entire manga.
laxus> erza portrayal is literally two or three lines, and those people who believe in this, tends to ignore another portrayal, which actually encompasses the entire manga

 

[GL_Nova]

markarov doesnt look un confidence at all. any uncertainity is because she is a statue, nothing more. after erza runs out markarov is all hyped up.

angel new magic was werid thing. racer magic didnt look any difference from his OS magic. starry arc is filler, its only meant to entertain, it doesnt add anything in the story. alot of people dont watch anime. Manga is complete, you dont need anything else, others are just fillers for fans

cana wasnt in the last day of gmg. laxus performance against a fodder guild doesnt mean much, literally any character could have done that, including all the way down to elfman. erza performance was awesome, but it wasnt above something kagura or jura couldnt do.

why was jura watching laxus, erza perfromance was much better than his. jura hyped minerva spell. minerva hype kagura. i am sorry, paper thin is mira looking at jura and making that statement, and people think that statement is somehow more valid than marakrov hype about ajeel lol

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@grey matter just wanted to say
that according to the most reliable person in ff arc (laxus)
evergreen should have been above erza. he was pretty pissed that she lost to erza.

this laxus power ranking from ff arc
marakrov >= laxus > mystogan >>>evergreen >erza >>natsu


much love to @Jko for reminding me about that

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@MUIMadara just wanted to say @Crimson Ice clearly showed the two three line of portrayal which you said was supposed to encompass the entire manga.
laxus> erza portrayal is literally two or three lines, and those people who believe in this, tends to ignore another portrayal, which actually encompasses the entire manga

Oh no, he’s definitely worried. I mean the stress of who can best Laxus literally gave him a heart attack.

Her magic is exactly as explained in that arc, and the difference in Racer’s magic is shown against Jellal, he has genuine speed magic now. All the other media makes its way into the manga proper.

I didn’t say she was. Yet, nobody else came anywhere close to his attack. I’d also point out that Erza took everyone outside the guild (and Jura) by surprise. So we’ll never know will we.

Preconcieved notions based on his heritage, and his rep. Which from Jura’s seeking him out were clearly backed up by his performance in the tournament. We know Jura’s wish was for a good fight, so his target is quite telling. An again, I’ll trust the Wizard Saint’s judgement.

 

[Crimson Ice]

markarov doesnt look un confidence at all. any uncertainity is because she is a statue, nothing more. after erza runs out markarov is all hyped up.

angel new magic was werid thing. racer magic didnt look any difference from his OS magic. starry arc is filler, its only meant to entertain, it doesnt add anything in the story. alot of people dont watch anime. Manga is complete, you dont need anything else, others are just fillers for fans

cana wasnt in the last day of gmg. laxus performance against a fodder guild doesnt mean much, literally any character could have done that, including all the way down to elfman. erza performance was awesome, but it wasnt above something kagura or jura couldnt do.

why was jura watching laxus, erza perfromance was much better than his. jura hyped minerva spell. minerva hype kagura. i am sorry, paper thin is mira looking at jura and making that statement, and people think that statement is somehow more valid than marakrov hype about ajeel lol

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@grey matter just wanted to say
that according to the most reliable person in ff arc (laxus)
evergreen should have been above erza. he was pretty pissed that she lost to erza.

this laxus power ranking from ff arc
marakrov >= laxus > mystogan >>>evergreen >erza >>natsu


much love to @Jko for reminding me about that

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@MUIMadara just wanted to say @Crimson Ice clearly showed the two three line of portrayal which you said was supposed to encompass the entire manga.
laxus> erza portrayal is literally two or three lines, and those people who believe in this, tends to ignore another portrayal, which actually encompasses the entire manga

My argument was never Laxus vs Erza it was Erza vs Mystogan. That portrayal doesn't need to maintain throughout the manga as Mystogan is written out of the plot in the Edolas arc.

 

[Ramen]

The more I think about it the more I believe 50% Mercphobia isn’t real, he just wasn’t trying.

So if were looking at this statement:

Spoiler: 1

It does seem to imply that he just isn't going full out because he's not mentally able to.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Current Mira one shots EOS Lucy

Current Mirajane couldn't even one shot Current lucy. The embarrassment of it all.

 

[Ramen]

@kianp67

 

[kian]

@kianp67

Lucy couldn’t even hold her ground from a blast that wasn’t directed at her. I won’t even acknowledge that comment

 

[Ramen]

@Ronin31 Haven't seen you on in quite a while man. Hope all is well with you ! Got any predictions for how strong Selene will be?

 

[grey matter]

Current Mirajane couldn't even one shot Current lucy. The embarrassment of it all.

Yes, because she didn't take Lucy seriously.
She tanked Lucy's strongest attack. And just stood there instead of stomping her head.

Instead of any of that, lets take a look at Lucy getting one shot by Kyria lmao.

Spoiler

Lucy and Wendy getting one shot by Kyria's roar, the same roar that didn't even put a scratch on Laxus and Jellol

If you agree Mira > Kyria, then Mira one shots as well

 

[aymen24]

The White Witch did not steal the magic power of the water dragon
He has all his power.....He just didn't use it

Spoiler: .....

That's her ability...

Spoiler: Chapter 29

 

[Ronin31]

@Ramen Hello Ramen. Yes, I am just quite busy but everything is ok. Don't worry. Thanks a lot for asking . I am also tired about People's point of view on Erza. I think she is quite underestimest on this forum. But I am ok with all opinions. I stop "fighting" about Erza vs Laxus point..... As for Selene, as a Dragon God, she sure is quite powerful but I see her more as a trickster, with astral control, more than raw power : more like a supreme Caster in same way as Eileen, but not as enchentress. More dimensional and dream caster (make dream and nightmare reality, having total control in her own word) the same way as the sleeping Captain in Black Clover if you know that Manga. For me the moon refers to dreaming, so I see her as a mastermind Caster. A great Caster can be more dangerous than an incredible warrior with massive destructive power. But it is all speculation . I only hope that Erza or Lucy will take the finish, and not Natsu. I like him, but I don't want him to finish all the Dragon's Quest. His partners are great as well. He is not alone .

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In some way, if people know Marvel Universe, I see her like Loki or Mephisto's Characters like. In books, because Loki, in movies, is quite ridiculous by analogy with Comics. Allmighty in their word but weaker when far from his/her dimension, trickster, smart, spiritual powers.

 

[sharkai]

Oh no, he’s definitely worried. I mean the stress of who can best Laxus literally gave him a heart attack.

Her magic is exactly as explained in that arc, and the difference in Racer’s magic is shown against Jellal, he has genuine speed magic now. All the other media makes its way into the manga proper.

I didn’t say she was. Yet, nobody else came anywhere close to his attack. I’d also point out that Erza took everyone outside the guild (and Jura) by surprise. So we’ll never know will we.

Preconcieved notions based on his heritage, and his rep. Which from Jura’s seeking him out were clearly backed up by his performance in the tournament. We know Jura’s wish was for a good fight, so his target is quite telling. An again, I’ll trust the Wizard Saint’s judgement.

are you implying markarov wouldnt have bested laxus himself, thus not needing that heart attack

how did you arrive on racer magic conclusion. gray or lyon took an entire fight to find the secret behind racer magic in os arc

laxus had no performance in the gmg. his perfromance was only against jura. jura was basically interested in marakrvo like powers. meanwhile he was beating ichiya with cheap shots. o ok, i will instead believe erza, she was right about natsu from the start, thus she most likely had a clear idea that laxus had always been weaker than her. (laxus sure improved alot from alverzec to 100 year quest, to surpass erza like that)

 

[GL_Nova]

are you implying markarov wouldnt have bested laxus himself, thus not needing that heart attack

how did you arrive on racer magic conclusion. gray or lyon took an entire fight to find the secret behind racer magic in os arc

laxus had no performance in the gmg. his perfromance was only against jura. jura was basically interested in marakrvo like powers. meanwhile he was beating ichiya with cheap shots. o ok, i will instead believe erza, she was right about natsu from the start, thus she most likely had a clear idea that laxus had always been weaker than her. (laxus sure improved alot from alverzec to 100 year quest, to surpass erza like that)

How do you even get that out of my statement, lol. Makarov couldn’t get out, hence the stress of finding one of his kids that could best Laxus.

Look at his battle with Jellal. His old magic wouldn’t have let him really effect his speed at all, but his enhanced speed let him push the fastest character in the series.

Let’s ignore him defeating an entire guild effortlessly. Then yeah, his only feat is beating the far and away strongest mage in the tournament. I’m not sure about the second statement, honestly. What’s Ichiya got to do with it? Also, Erza is literally left stunned by how strong Laxus is every time she sees him fight. I think it’s well established she doesn’t have a good handle on how strong he is.

 

[sharkai]

How do you even get that out of my statement, lol. Makarov couldn’t get out, hence the stress of finding one of his kids that could best Laxus.

Look at his battle with Jellal. His old magic wouldn’t have let him really effect his speed at all, but his enhanced speed let him push the fastest character in the series.

Let’s ignore him defeating an entire guild effortlessly. Then yeah, his only feat is beating the far and away strongest mage in the tournament. I’m not sure about the second statement, honestly. What’s Ichiya got to do with it? Also, Erza is literally left stunned by how strong Laxus is every time she sees him fight. I think it’s well established she doesn’t have a good handle on how strong he is.

so marakrov could have beaten laxus afterwards. no need for that heart attack. its not like laxus was killing them

his old magic will work fine. jellal meteor will do for jellal what erza souring armor did for her. nothing new here.

fodder guild? didnt pre ts lucy also take out an entire monkey guild her self. stop bring those fodder guild here
ichiya thing means jura wanted to win, even with cheat shots like he did against ichiya and orga.

you mean once when she thought laxus tanked that 25 formula which basically took him out and the second time when she thought laxus was atleast a tier below herself. nah erza seems to be better judge of magic powers than you or people who literally judge by just looking at that person doing nothing

 

[GL_Nova]

so marakrov could have beaten laxus afterwards. no need for that heart attack. its not like laxus was killing them

his old magic will work fine. jellal meteor will do for jellal what erza souring armor did for her. nothing new here.

fodder guild? didnt pre ts lucy also take out an entire monkey guild her self. stop bring those fodder guild here
ichiya thing means jura wanted to win, even with cheat shots like he did against ichiya and orga.

you mean once when she thought laxus tanked that 25 formula which basically took him out and the second time when she thought laxus was atleast a tier below herself. nah erza seems to be better judge of magic powers than you or people who literally judge by just looking at that person doing nothing

I definitely think he could have won, but again that’s ingoring that he couldn’t get out, and the town was still being held hostage as his grandson slapped his best soldiers around. So yeah

Except that’s not what they told us. Hence how Grey was so easily able to overcome it. Luckily for me, this is tertiary evidence. Angel’s magic is all the proof the point requires, so interpret it how you will.

Please provide whatever linkyou are talking about. That being said, Lucy soloing some joke guild is in now way comparable to slapping one of the teams that made it through to the tournament. Laxus bested a team that gave Grey and the others, and did it effortlessly. I know you’d love to downplay his feats, but this one falls flat bro.

No, I mean her surprise at lightning palace, followed by her surprise at him slapping Hades around. Though to speak to your point, Laxus tanking an Amaterasu formula, followed by a blast meant to kill him, and was still the one to punch hades in the face and save Natsu’s ass while the rest sat on they ass even after getting their magic back. Getting back on track, everbodies surprise at his handling of Jura, shock at how easily he nullified Ajeel’s magic, and finally being amazed at how strong he’s grown since the Alvarez arc. It’s a pattern.

 

[sharkai]

I definitely think he could have won, but again that’s ingoring that he couldn’t get out, and the town was still being held hostage as his grandson slapped his best soldiers around. So yeah

Except that’s not what they told us. Hence how Grey was so easily able to overcome it. Luckily for me, this is tertiary evidence. Angel’s magic is all the proof the point requires, so interpret it how you will.

Please provide whatever linkyou are talking about. That being said, Lucy soloing some joke guild is in now way comparable to slapping one of the teams that made it through to the tournament. Laxus bested a team that gave Grey and the others, and did it effortlessly. I know you’d love to downplay his feats, but this one falls flat bro.

No, I mean her surprise at lightning palace, followed by her surprise at him slapping Hades around. Though to speak to your point, Laxus tanking an Amaterasu formula, followed by a blast meant to kill him, and was still the one to punch hades in the face and save Natsu’s ass while the rest sat on they ass even after getting their magic back. Getting back on track, everbodies surprise at his handling of Jura, shock at how easily he nullified Ajeel’s magic, and finally being amazed at how strong he’s grown since the Alvarez arc. It’s a pattern.

Laxus was slapping no one around

I still interpret it the same, watching fillers is not a must, unlike cannon manga

That guild was fodder. All they could do was sneak attack. No member of them had any powers to speak of. You mean gray was tagged, gray wasnt even effected by it. Raven tail were a standard fodder guild.

Lightning palace didnt suprise her, by laxus strength, but by laxus evilness. Erza was only suprised by 25 formula tank, which laxus never did. Nothing else suprised her then. Ajeel nuke, erza went like oo big, nothing more. Only real surprise erza had when she witnessed laxus not being a tier or two below her in currect arc

 

[Ronin31]

she thought laxus was atleast a tier below herself

and finally being amazed at how strong he’s grown since the Alvarez arc

Well, you are both right. She thought Laxus was below her level and was amazed that he's grown so strong since Arbaless that he could tied her level. She didn't expected him to match her. That was clear in the fight. Laxus rised with far power up (strength, magic, stamina) since Arbaless to reduce the gap between them.

Laxus bested a team that gave Grey and the others, and did it effortlessly.

During Hide and Seek, it was not a duel between characters. Gray is vastly stronger that this guy or perhaps you put him above Roufus of Sabertooth ? Without trick, Lucy clearly won her fight as well. Laxus avenged them. I mean, Laxus destroyed them, but, if you replaced him by Natsu or Erza, the result was the same.

shock at how easily he nullified Ajeel’s magic

It's only about magic effectivity. Natsu did the same when he explosed the sand trap, just before punching his face. As well, Ajeel was surprised that Erza could counter his sand with wind and cut his sand body with water. Without Sand World who can counter wind and water, Ajeel was off. We don't know if Laxus can destroy Sand World, the storm seemed to regenerate through Erza's strike.