One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[albertwv]

Aokiji was the trigger for him realizing that he needs to get stronger, but Luffy developed Gear 2nd after witnessing the CP9’s Soru. Aokiji and CP9 are the impetus for Luffy’s growth as they were far stronger than anything they’d been facing up until that point. That’s not to say that Baroque Works wasn’t a threat, but as the arcs continued on up to Sabaody, it became clear that that was the caliber of opponents that they’d be facing constantly.

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I doubt he was. Bounties don’t equate to strength as is mentioned several times in the series, but Oven was hyped up in the same breath as Katakuri, Smoothie, Pero, and Compote. Tamago didn’t get any form of hype.

Dude, youre taking a whole page. Save some for the rest of us

 

[HereNThere]

Dude, youre taking a whole page. Save some for the rest of us

Yeah, this is a lot more than I usually stand to do. Debates are fun, but I can only do short bursts because I burn out easily.

 

[M3J]

Yeah, this is a lot more than I usually stand to do. Debates are fun, but I can only do short bursts because I burn out easily.

Literally why I stop responding once it gets too long for my liking. All that shit died after Naruto turned to shit in the last arc.

That aside, I hope Luffy beating Kaidou doesn't necessarily mean his power level shoots up to be almost the same as Kaidou's, as that'd be boring.

 

[Fox666]

That aside, I hope Luffy beating Kaidou doesn't necessarily mean his power level shoots up to be almost the same as Kaidou's, as that'd be boring.

Luffy has always been an underdog, no way he's becoming the world #1 strongest with so many enemies left.

 

[HereNThere]

That aside, I hope Luffy beating Kaidou doesn't necessarily mean his power level shoots up to be almost the same as Kaidou's, as that'd be boring.

He shouldn't, hopefully. Especially if the Scabbards and other Supernova do their share of the work.

 

[M3J]

Agreed with both, and I hope Oda understands that LUffy remaining the underdog is better than overpowering him or giving him powers out of nowhere. Same with Zoro and Sanji.

Jinbei would be more interesting though, given he's already established as a powerhouse.

 

[Rmstorm]

Literally why I stop responding once it gets too long for my liking. All that shit died after Naruto turned to shit in the last arc.

That aside, I hope Luffy beating Kaidou doesn't necessarily mean his power level shoots up to be almost the same as Kaidou's, as that'd be boring.

Luffy does not ahve many enemies left, at most he has got 3 more fights. He will be Kaido level by the time Wano is over, then he will fight Blackbeard who will be stronger than Prime Non Sick Roger(God Valley), then fight IM.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Luffy does not ahve many enemies left, at most he has got 3 more fights. He will be Kaido level by the time Wano is over, then he will fight Blackbeard who will be stronger than Prime Non Sick Roger(God Valley), then fight IM.

"Luffy will be Kaido level by the time Wano is over"

Damn do I love you fanboyism of Luffy. I wish I was as dedicated to Luffy-sama, but I just am simply unworthy of such foresight.

Real talk: Luffy being Kaido level would ruin the rest of One Piece for me. I don't want my protagonist to have that kind of power until EoS

 

[M3J]

There's a chance he could be, but that'd be a shit writing and boring, as Blackbeard could be challenging, and Akainu would be his challenge unless Ym is the strongest.

 

[albertwv]

Somehow I dont think Im or the Gorosei are physically strong. I dislike it when people assume a character's PL when there is no evidence but plot to assume they are that strong. Dragon, Gorosei, Im...
I still think BB is below Kaido, BM, and Shanks. Just right above Akainu. Im thinking BB will be like the 2nd final boss who absorbs everyones DF and fights Luffy but out of nowhere a Rabbit lady (Im) comes out and stabs him to death and reveals to be the final antagonist. watch Oda pulls a Naruto and Fairy Tail ending

 

[M3J]

If you dislike it then you dislike it, but there's nothing wrong with theorizing

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Luffy does not ahve many enemies left, at most he has got 3 more fights. He will be Kaido level by the time Wano is over, then he will fight Blackbeard who will be stronger than Prime Non Sick Roger(God Valley), then fight IM.

By all indications he won't be as strong as Kaido (maybe close) come end of Wano due to the fact that it'll take multiple contributions from different characters - with Luffy's being the decisive one - for Kaido's downfall.
If that's the case how does that make Luffy be on Kaido's level? It's not like the Katakuri fight where it's strictly one on one but here, he gets help from all sorts of monsters like the Scabbards (already seen), some Supernovas (I'm betting on it), and maybe Marco.
Until he beats a Yonko one vs one or at least tie with one, he's definitely not on that level.

My theory is that BB will be the only Yonko Luffy fights strictly one vs one without any outside help and I feel it's because of 2 things:
- The first being that Luffy arrives strong enough as an equal to him (maybe just slightly weaker) after experiencing Kaido who he wouldn't have been able to defeat without help.
- Blackbeard being slightly weaker than the other 3 Yonko, making him the first Yonko Luffy defeats without a single aid.

After defeating Blackbeard, Luffy should be strong enough to take on any other opponent without been the underdog and continue improving (the final battle with WG comes to mind) till he surpasses prime Roger in strength.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Oct 9, 2020 ---

Real talk: Luffy being Kaido level would ruin the rest of One Piece for me. I don't want my protagonist to have that kind of power until EoS

My point exactly. It'll be overkill and that's very unlikely. Unless of course, the author plans to ruin his great writing.

 

[hokageji]

I think Luffy taking down Kaido shouldn't equate to Luffy = Kaido.... We saw with Mingo, how much battle Mingo had gone through before he fought Luffy. Mingo had suffered through a red hawk, was almost killed by Law and then fought Luffy. Even then, Mingo survided a gear 4 attack, Luffy had to be assisted by everyone for his haki to return and then he beat Mingo...

A part of that is something we've already observed. The scabbards will do damage to Kaido, Kaido will comeback nearly killing them and will fight the unified supernova team and fail before Luffy takes him down. There may be some kinda resurrection for Kaido, like awakening or healing or something before Luffy fights, just to make the fight look like a decent one on one, but there'll be plenty of Kaido damage before that. Perhaps BB will make an appearance too?

But within the OP world outside Wano, they'll view Luffy as someone who took down both the Yonko's in this arc.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I think Luffy taking down Kaido shouldn't equate to Luffy = Kaido.... We saw with Mingo, how much battle Mingo had gone through before he fought Luffy. Mingo had suffered through a red hawk, was almost killed by Law and then fought Luffy. Even then, Mingo survided a gear 4 attack, Luffy had to be assisted by everyone for his haki to return and then he beat Mingo...

A part of that is something we've already observed. The scabbards will do damage to Kaido, Kaido will comeback nearly killing them and will fight the unified supernova team and fail before Luffy takes him down. There may be some kinda resurrection for Kaido, like awakening or healing or something before Luffy fights, just to make the fight look like a decent one on one, but there'll be plenty of Kaido damage before that. Perhaps BB will make an appearance too?

But within the OP world outside Wano, they'll view Luffy as someone who took down both the Yonko's in this arc.

Right. Us the reader know Luffy didnt defeat Kaido 1 v 1 but I. The eyes of the One Piece residents... Luffy while be the fac of Kaido's defeat. Just like he "defeated" Katakuri.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Right. Us the reader know Luffy didnt defeat Kaido 1 v 1 but I. The eyes of the One Piece residents... Luffy while be the fac of Kaido's defeat. Just like he "defeated" Katakuri.

Hmm... I don't get the parallel with Katakuri's defeat. There wasn't help from Luffy's side when he drew/defeated Katakuri but there'll surely be a handful of that with Kaido.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Hmm... I don't get the parallel with Katakuri's defeat. There wasn't help from Luffy's side when he drew/defeated Katakuri but there'll surely be a handful of that with Kaido.

Without Brulee.. Luffy would have lost.

How can you claim otherwise?

Unless your only counting allies?

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Without Brulee.. Luffy would have lost.

How can you claim otherwise?

Unless your only counting allies?

Yeah that's true. And you're correct I'm counting only help from allies. It's not like Brulee was willing to help Luffy. It was his opportunism/luck that paid off in that situation.

 

[M3J]

Has Luffy ever won a fight on his own or in the first round after Morgan? It seems whether he's tricked or fairly beaten, it takes him more than one try or lots of help to win, example being Brulee as a hostage allowing Luffy to retreat and rest.

Personally though, I'm okay with this.

 

[Nie Li]

Has Luffy ever won a fight on his own or in the first round after Morgan? It seems whether he's tricked or fairly beaten, it takes him more than one try or lots of help to win, example being Brulee as a hostage allowing Luffy to retreat and rest.

Personally though, I'm okay with this.

And he wasn't even the one to beat Morgan.

 

[M3J]

wtf, who was?