Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[savethecat]

Surprised nobody is talking about the BoBoBo news thing

 

[Azure Warrior]

Surprised nobody is talking about the BoBoBo news thing

What Bobobo news?

 

[savethecat]

What Bobobo news?

Nevermind. I misread the tweet. I thought it said there was a special announcement for the anime’s anniversary. But they’re just repairing the series

Sorry about that

 

[rg24]

Not sure if anyone posted, but Usazaki worked on some album art for someone recently. I think this is the first official art from her since that manga contest thing she was judging in

Shouldn't Black Clover ending 11 be in that album?? If it is I can see the Jump connection.

 

[lazybones1717]

Shouldn't Black Clover ending 11 be in that album?? If it is I can see the Jump connection.

I think so? She just posted a link to the music video, so probably:

 

[Archaon]

Let's have a look!

- ... No, of course they had to make the detective a reluctant recluse and give the main character role to some dumb rude loser. Why do they always do that? Do they really think we can't connect to smart people, so we need some dolt to serve as a stand-in for the audience?

It a very common story telling techniques, someone need to be clueless and so that the smart character have to explain stuffs to them and by extent the audiences. That especially Watson original purpose, an audiences surrogates for Sherlock to explain things to, or else it would look like Sherlock just saying these thing to himself when he have no reason to do so.

 

[NeeNeen]

It a very common story telling techniques, someone need to be clueless and so that the smart character have to explain stuffs to them and by extent the audiences. That especially Watson original purpose, an audiences surrogates for Sherlock to explain things to, or else it would look like Sherlock just saying these thing to himself when he have no reason to do so.

I know it's common, that's why I'm bored of it. And it's not necessary. Conan doesn't keep a stupid sidekick around to monologue to, he just explains his reasoning to the police (or anyone else who happens to be around really). So does Kindaichi.

And even if you want to have an audience stand-in, there's no need to make them an obnoxious moron. The girl from Phantom Seer serves the same purpose, but she's not constantly screaming about how unbelievable everything is (even though she has a lot more reason to, really). The Watson has to know less than the detective guy, but s/he doesn't need to be stupid, and there's no reason for the detective to be a recluse either. Those are just tired cliches that too many manga keep repeating for some reason.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Jujutsu Kaisen half episode 3 is out. The very good job by MAPPA continues.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 11, 2020, Original Post Date: Oct 11, 2020 ---

And Toho has released a special MHA anime video, which looks like a compilation on everything that happened up to...end of season 3.

 

[Newkerzy]

Jujutsu Kaisen half episode 3 is out. The very good job by MAPPA continues.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 11, 2020, Original Post Date: Oct 11, 2020 ---

And Toho has released a special MHA anime video, which looks like a compilation on everything that happened up to...end of season 3.

Weird. Why would they do that I don’t really know. But I initially thought this was going to be filled in with an original song or aomething, like the “Peace Sign” video a couple years back.

 

[WyldViolet]

It a very common story telling techniques, someone need to be clueless and so that the smart character have to explain stuffs to them and by extent the audiences. That especially Watson original purpose, an audiences surrogates for Sherlock to explain things to, or else it would look like Sherlock just saying these thing to himself when he have no reason to do so.

Being common doesn't make it any less condescending.

 

[tirakai]

It's not just for audience surrogates or whatever, it's also for the sake of have a more grounded character to highlight how absurd the crazy one is.

Same reason Moriking has Shoko around all the time not doing much except just commenting on the weirdness (it's especially common in Japan due to the popularity of Manzai comedy routines).

 

[Discomusic]

I call this type of character "the Shinpachi"

 

[Ctkk]

I call it 'the Beauty' since there was just a conversation about Bo-bobo'.

 

[Xzone]

I call it 'the Beauty' since there was just a conversation about Bo-bobo'.

Beauty was a tsukomi

 

[Archaon]

Being common doesn't make it any less condescending.

Condescending? It just make sense from a narrative stand point to have these kind of character, it allow the author to convey information about the world and the characters to the audiences without make it feel unnatural. And like tirakai said, it help to created contrast between the absurd and the mundane.

 

[Konja9]

It's not just for audience surrogates or whatever, it's also for the sake of have a more grounded character to highlight how absurd the crazy one is.

Same reason Moriking has Shoko around all the time not doing much except just commenting on the weirdness (it's especially common in Japan due to the popularity of Manzai comedy routines).

Yeah. This kind of characters aren't exactly created to connect with the audience (at least, not in a so deep level).

Characters like Shoko or Isshiki are audience surrogate, because they make the questions the audience has.

However, these characters aren't created to connect with the audience at the level that the "average guy" protagonist is created (where it is expected the audience project themselves in the character).

 

[Halloween]

Shimabu did it best with Toriko. Just have a non-character narrator explain everything that’s happening.

 

[Archaon]

Shimabu did it best with Toriko. Just have a non-character narrator explain everything that’s happening.

That approach doesn't work for every situation. Especially in a detective series since the goals are usually to show off how smart the detective is and explain how the crimes happen. In this case, have the characters explain to an in-universe character is more effective.

 

[lazybones1717]

Mission: Yozakura Family's official Twitter account is now open:

 

[101nemesis]

That approach doesn't work for every situation. Especially in a detective series since the goals are usually to show off how smart the detective is and explain how the crimes happen. In this case, have the characters explain to an in-universe character is more effective.

Non character Narrators work really well for detective series. It just needs to be done the right way.