It means just because August uses the magic differently to who he copied, doesn't mean it wasn't copied. August used Natsu's magic, that's why Natsu was able to negate it and it's why it was in Gildarts flashback. Besides, it's not like Natsu cant make a huge pillar of fire, August's is just bigger.
No she didn't, she was given it by Mavis, she still has the tattoo, no different to Gray. DS is magic you can learn.
Are enchantments not magic in a way that it would prevent August from copying them? There are many spells we didn't see him use, but we know that he can use them all.
If we remember beginning of Fairy Tail, magic is divided into 3 main type:
- Caster Magic
- Holder Magic (Cana' cards, Lucy' CS, Bickslow' dolls/puppets).
- Ancient Magic (which include Lost Magic, the Black Arts etc).
It's quite good question what is enchantments ?!
If we remember Bora who used charm magic, it was holder-type magic, because he used rings (mediums). But at same time it was caster-type magic w.o. medium.
Irene as well used stuff for enchantments as well did not use it.
So, probably, Enchantment may be at same time Caster and Holder types of magic.
If Irene (or another mage) will use enchantment as holder-type of magic, August would not be able to copy it (as well he was not able with Cana cards).
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N,B. I;m strongly disappoint that ppl who make propaganda with their "position" don't even know the basic info of FT manga ><
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Since some ppl asked me to clarity how it works, I explain:
(yes, I'm on Irene side originally, but it does not interfere me to make neutral posts).
1) August is not able to copy holder-type magic
-"You don't give a shit about Fairy Glitter or my [incl. Crush] magic, but you avoided Cana' [weak] cards"
--"You can not copy her magic"
---"Of course! You can not copy [holder] magic without medium" (i.e. Lucy keys, Cana cards etc).
- When how Irene pushed Acno back ?!
It's easy. It has same principle with Erza swords.
Erza does not create swords with magic, she pulls them out "her" (another) "storage"-dimension (Remember Marin Hollow explanation ?).
Her swords IS NOT MAGIC, her swords ARE MATTER.
Atmosphere IS MATTER too, as well Earth IS MATTER.
So, when Irene enchanted atmosphere and Earth it perfectly worked on Acno, because he was directly affected BY MATTER.
Atmosphere and Earth played role as mediums here.
Team August wins IMO, not sure of diff. August can copy magic of everyone in team Eileen, except potentially Larcade (if his "desires" are curses). So, everything else that team Eileen does, Augsut copies them and negates.
Those who support Team Eileen here claims that Eileen can buff everyone in team Eileen. This would've been valid, except August can literally do the same as well. He copies Eileen's magic (if he already hasn't copied them yet, i.e at the point of beginning of Alverez arc) and buffs his own teammates as well.
Nobody except dragon Eileen (with pure physicals) and Larcade (if his abilities are curses) has the means to harm August. He carries the team
there are two problems here.
first can august copy and negate irene magic? because he has never shown to do that at that tier.
if he can, why cant irene turn him into a mice or something. august and irene dont have any feats to use their hax agianst equal level opponents
two copy mage will always be one step back. even if he can copy ds (which he most likey cant)
so lets follow your assumption
t=1 irene takes all her team members spell into herself. August copies irene ability.
t=2 August takes all his team members spell into himself. Irene throws a dragon punch, with magical power beyond that move that killed the soul of rot Aconologia. Game over
Unless august knows exactly what team irene are planning, he will always be one step back
same for my original strategy, brandish, neinhart, and lacarde tries to blind team august for a second. august wont negate it (because it deosnt harm anyone) or negates it in a second. in that time, dragon irene would dwarf aldron by order of magnitude (and irene can increase her own speed and strength). one second goes by, vision is clear. team august will face 100 feat claw. which will kill everyone other than bradman (because of his intangibility).
or you can use @Jko strategy. brandish mega size everyone, irene enchant everyone. august can copy. but now he is two step behind team irene. serena can target wahl with dual element and nienhart can use historia to confuse team august (this include making weak versions of zeref and mavis to distract august). if wahl dies, historia wahl with little help to kill bradman. brandish can throw anyone miles up by incleasing the size of the sand they stand on (not even august can nullify it). and @Jko is right, for small area, irene can easily BFR august
just saying august can copy ds doesnt give them a win. irene can make shield stronger than wendy can. ds august vs dragon irene isnt gonna be an easy win here
It means just because August uses the magic differently to who he copied, doesn't mean it wasn't copied. August used Natsu's magic, that's why Natsu was able to negate it and it's why it was in Gildarts flashback. Besides, it's not like Natsu cant make a huge pillar of fire, August's is just bigger.
No she didn't, she was given it by Mavis, she still has the tattoo, no different to Gray. DS is magic you can learn.
He has to see the magic in order to copy it. Natsu never used a spell against him. If it was DS magic then he would have been noted to be a DS.
She and Gray did learn how to use it themselves. The magic tattoos are only temp magics (Mavis even said it was temp). Cana also didn't have her tattoo in Alvarez and Gray didn't either.
He has to see the magic in order to copy it. Natsu never used a spell against him. If it was DS magic then he would have been noted to be a DS.
She and Gray did learn how to use it themselves. The magic tattoos are only temp magics (Mavis even said it was temp). Cana also didn't have her tattoo in Alvarez and Gray didn't either.
No he doesn't. As for Natsu using a spell, August would've seen Natsu smacking Ajeel. Oh and now that I think about it, August has Lightning Dragon Slaying magic too, so there's that.
Why would he be noted as a DS? Is Neinhart noted as a DS? Because he has DS magic.
Yeah, and Natsu did learn how to use his magic himself lol. Cana had her tattoo throughout Alvarez, she literally throws it in your face as she uses it on August lol. Gray's tattoo has since evolved after taking Memento Mori.
there are two problems here.
first can august copy and negate irene magic? because he has never shown to do that at that tier.
if he can, why cant irene turn him into a mice or something. august and irene dont have any feats to use their hax agianst equal level opponents
two copy mage will always be one step back. even if he can copy ds (which he most likey cant)
so lets follow your assumption
t=1 irene takes all her team members spell into herself. August copies irene ability.
t=2 August takes all his team members spell into himself. Irene throws a dragon punch, with magical power beyond that move that killed the soul of rot Aconologia. Game over
Unless august knows exactly what team irene are planning, he will always be one step back
same for my original strategy, brandish, neinhart, and lacarde tries to blind team august for a second. august wont negate it (because it deosnt harm anyone) or negates it in a second. in that time, dragon irene would dwarf aldron by order of magnitude (and irene can increase her own speed and strength). one second goes by, vision is clear. team august will face 100 feat claw. which will kill everyone other than bradman (because of his intangibility).
or you can use @Jko strategy. brandish mega size everyone, irene enchant everyone. august can copy. but now he is two step behind team irene. serena can target wahl with dual element and nienhart can use historia to confuse team august (this include making weak versions of zeref and mavis to distract august). if wahl dies, historia wahl with little help to kill bradman. brandish can throw anyone miles up by incleasing the size of the sand they stand on (not even august can nullify it). and @Jko is right, for small area, irene can easily BFR august
just saying august can copy ds doesnt give them a win. irene can make shield stronger than wendy can. ds august vs dragon irene isnt gonna be an easy win here
Sure. why not? As a general rule, hax works unless there is a tier or more difference.
Can't turn him into a mice because she hasn't shown it to anyone of worth, she did it to fodder princess. She couldn't do it to Erza, hence can't do it to August. If you argue "what about the general rule stated above" , August has feats showing he can do it to Gildarts tiers effortlessly. And even if it does work on August tiers, August still copies and negates instantly and hence fails anyway.
It's instantaneous as stated in manga.
DS magic is not holder, he can copy. In the flashback revealing his magic's trick, August's "melt" was shown, next to Natsu
Soul of rot Acnologia? What? Eileen can't hit harder than Natsu's rainbow punch, if that's what you're arguing.
As for any strategy, August copies and does the same and/or negates the effect from original caster. And it's instantaneous. Even if you argue otherwise, it won't be a delay for more than a second. He also has Cobra's mind read, to know any plans, if that's what you're arguing here.
August is literally unbeatable within his own tier. You need to be a tier or more above him to beat him.
Sure. why not? As a general rule, hax works unless there is a tier or more difference.
Can't turn him into a mice because she hasn't shown it to anyone of worth, she did it to fodder princess. She couldn't do it to Erza, hence can't do it to August. If you argue "what about the general rule stated above" , August has feats showing he can do it to Gildarts tiers effortlessly. And even if it does work on August tiers, August still copies and negates instantly and hence fails anyway.
It's instantaneous as stated in manga.
DS magic is not holder, he can copy. In the flashback revealing his magic's trick, August's "melt" was shown, next to Natsu
Soul of rot Acnologia? What? Eileen can't hit harder than Natsu's rainbow punch, if that's what you're arguing.
As for any strategy, August copies and does the same and/or negates the effect from original caster. And it's instantaneous. Even if you argue otherwise, it won't be a delay for more than a second. He also has Cobra's mind read, to know any plans, if that's what you're arguing here.
August is literally unbeatable within his own tier. You need to be a tier or more above him to beat him.
you cant negate your own rule. lol
irene wasnt interested in trying on erza. if we go by your rule, irene can indeed turn august into a slime
natsu doesnt have melt.
its not instantaneous. its one step behind caster, this problem was overcome by nullification hax. so midnight magic will hit august, he negates it, and then uses midnight magic. so
time=0 midnight attacks,
time=1 august gets hit and nullifies.
time=2, august attacks.
one second is enough for august to die. august doesnt have cobra hearing, as seen in his fight against gildarts and cana
for every spell he copies, he is one step behind the caster. my strategies will work fine. he has to copy, think and do the same. while the original caster just has to caste whatever he or she is casting
yes, she can. natsu rainbow was more of a wendy feat than natsu. wendy took power from all exhausted (and mostly weaker than springgan) ds and gave it to natsu. if irene does the same. she will have power more than natsu had at that time. by the time august does the same, he will be hit by that punch superior.
August can copy dragon slayer magic. DS magic is a caster magic. It grants the users' characteristics of a dragon, and expel said magic from their body without the need for a tool. The medium used to produce the magic is the DS bodies themselves, not an external tool. Excessive use of the magic causes the users to transform into a full fledge dragon if there are no antibodies in place to guard against such consequence. It is as castery (lol), as any caster magic.
August being capable of copying a magic without bearing witness to it isn't as unbelievable as it might sound initially. This is the same guy who was born all-knowing, who as a little kid taught himself the events surrounding his birth. Mashima made it a point that August was a unique specimen.
Melt was a DS spell he copied from Natsu. It was referenced as one of the spells he copied when Mashima explained the mechanics of how August's magic work. From a narrative standpoint, it made zero sense not to bring up and inform the readers that August cannot copy DS magic if this speculation was true. Especially given he had a direct confrontation with a DS magic user in Natsu. Natsu has also shown the ability to negate his magic if it were to be redirected at him with greater power. Past precedent indicate melt to be a fire ds spell.
If you refuse to acknowledge August's innate ability to discover knowledge, or melt as a fire ds spell, you cannot deny he saw Serena using his DS magic and knowing the background of his powers.
Meh, Lucy is fodder as far as I'm concerned. Not to mention, she was caught off guard by Mary as well (similar to Mest mind controlling Brandish, pretty sure that wouldn't have happened if Brandish was on guard)
August can copy, I see no reason why he can't be copy whatever spell Acnologia uses. Copying magic shouldn't be limited by power difference
He can't nullify it though, because Acno >>>>>>> August.
Meh, Lucy is fodder as far as I'm concerned. Not to mention, she was caught off guard by Mary as well (similar to Mest mind controlling Brandish, pretty sure that wouldn't have happened if Brandish was on guard)
August can copy, I see no reason why he can't be copy whatever spell Acnologia uses. Copying magic shouldn't be limited by power difference
He can't nullify it though, because Acno >>>>>>> August.
Well, with my regard for you, I won't push that issue further.
It's only one thing to be noticed - "not everyone have similar opinion".
If you think you position is single one "rightful", you must bring evidence. Don't have evidence, don't name is as "reality".
No he doesn't. As for Natsu using a spell, August would've seen Natsu smacking Ajeel. Oh and now that I think about it, August has Lightning Dragon Slaying magic too, so there's that.
Why would he be noted as a DS? Is Neinhart noted as a DS? Because he has DS magic.
Yeah, and Natsu did learn how to use his magic himself lol. Cana had her tattoo throughout Alvarez, she literally throws it in your face as she uses it on August lol. Gray's tattoo has since evolved after taking Memento Mori.
Yes, he does. He didn't know anyones magic until they activated it. Bcs everyone was noted to be a DS. Why would Neinheart be a ds when he basically summons dead people? When did August have lightning DS magic? If August had ds magic then why didn't he just eat Laxus' spell? Why didn't he eat the explosion caused by Gild's punch? You guys are saying he has DS magic when nothing indicates he does. If he could copy's people's magic by only looking at them then he wouldn't be surprised by people's magic when they use them lol.
You guys are making his magic better than what it actually is.
Gray's DeS marks aren't his tattoo. They are the byproduct of him overusing DeS magic. I was wrong about Cana, but Mavis already said she only lent it to her once. Cana learned to use it on her own like Gray learned to use DeS magic. Gray doesn't even have his tattoo anymore and it doesn't activate when he using DeS magic.
Acnologia's resistance to magic trumps August's nullification, because August's ability to nullify his opponent's magic is in and of itself a magic. Also Acnologia is stronger. Not like it matters. Even if August's magic worked on Acnologia, it wouldn't make a noticeable difference to Acnologia's overall power level. Face has better magic negation than anything in the series, being able to hit an entire continent. The parent dragons had so much magic power that it barely made a difference, and Acnologia is more powerful than any of them. Honestly, August could nerf Acnologia's MP reserves by the equivalent of Irene's MP, and Acnologia would still smash all the Spriggans.
Just because August can copy a magic doesn't mean he uses it all the time. Grays a devil slayer and he forgets to eat ice against 2 different ice opponents despite the fact it would have made his fights a lot easier. You can forgive August for not choosing to eat an attack that he can very easily block or tank.
Or dragons dont have magic itself in them, or Mashima didnt know what he was doing again, cuz face just block all magic. Not only magic inside mages, not only magic outside them, but all - people were floored after that without any magic, so they couldnt regen it from the air.
And also - Acnologia was directly affected by face, he was floored along with other people and got up after faces were destroyed.
UPD. Those dragons were only souls (or something like that, I dont get it, Acno ripped their souls, but they were in soul form, not bodies without souls, it was kinda stupid even for Mashima), so maybe they really didnt have magic
Or dragons dont have magic itself in them, or Mashima didnt know what he was doing again, cuz face just block all magic. Not only magic inside mages, not only magic outside them, but all - people were floored after that without any magic, so they couldnt regen it from the air.
And also - Acnologia was directly affected by face, he was floored along with other people and got up after faces were destroyed.
UPD. Those dragons were only souls (or something like that, I dont get it, Acno ripped their souls, but they were in soul form, not bodies without souls, it was kinda stupid even for Mashima), so maybe they really didnt have magic
Yes they do. The parent dragons even used magical attacks to destroy the faces. The parent dragons time travelled specifically to find an era where the ethernano in the air was high so they could recover their magic power. Also if the dragons were souls with no bodies, then that would make them even more vulnerable to face. You need to use thought projection magic to give your soul a physical form, unless you're a ghost.
Acnologia was knocked down by Igneel. You can see the cut on his body spraying blood as he fell. He had enough magic power to roar at Igneel immediately afterwards too. If face wiped out all his magic power, then he would have to spend time recovering.
Yes they do. The parent dragons even used magical attacks to destroy the faces. The parent dragons time travelled specifically to find an era where the ethernano in the air was high so they could recover their magic power. Also if the dragons were souls with no bodies, then that would make them even more vulnerable to face. You need to use thought projection magic to give your soul a physical form, unless you're a ghost.
Acnologia was knocked down by Igneel. You can see the cut on his body spraying blood as he fell. He had enough magic power to roar at Igneel immediately afterwards too. If face wiped out all his magic power, then he would have to spend time recovering.
Dragons were affected by Face too, they used their natural strength and speed to destroy them, and didn't use any magical attacks as far as I know.
Acnologia was floored by Igneel at the same time as well. I find it hard to believe this was by coincidence. IMO it's due to Face. Face probably nerfed Acno far more than it did to other dragons, because he's originally not a dragon. His strength comes from his DS magic, while dragons are born with their enormous strength and speed
He roared Igneel AFTER Face got destroyed.
This thread should be locked for the confusion happening.
Even if August had DS magic (which I think he does) it's not mandatory for Mashima to explicitly state it. It was stated he knew almost every magic under the sun.
Now I don't like using hypothetical spells in battles because we don't know his mastery over DS magic and what kind of spells he has but moving away from the fight, he should have it in his arsenal.
But just because he has DS magic, doesn't mean it's an instant win over Irene.
This thread should be locked for the confusion happening.
Even if August had DS magic (which I think he does) it's not mandatory for Mashima to explicitly state it. It was stated he knew almost every magic under the sun.
Now I don't like using hypothetical spells in battles because we don't know his mastery over DS magic and what kind of spells he has but moving away from the fight, he should have it in his arsenal.
But just because he has DS magic, doesn't mean it's an instant win over Irene.
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