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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file
 
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I think it spoils that AT is part of the next boost campagin
shame they didn't spoil the other one and didn't add any new series, my money is still on Roboco

btw, speaking of GIGA the colored preview for Autumn issue is up
Well, Phantom seer, HSF and OBO are going to have those extra chapters that are short.
But Shakunetsu, Magu chan and Roboko do not appear in this preview. I think they have no desire to promote these three.

Yuuna was forgotten, there are only kimetsu, Haikyuu and TPN in the closed manga section.
 

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We could do the same thing as Dragon Ball then, but I don't think Tory's reputation has been damaged.
Except GT (like Boruto it wasn't written by Toriyama) started very shortly after the Z anime ended and ended up being a disappointment which damaged the brand to the point where we got no new Dragon Ball material outside budget video games for a decade.
 
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Other manga in current Shoseki rankings right now: "This is like ants dancing under two elephants! We are the ants and they are the elephants!"

If this keeps up, Oricon’s gonna be borderline useless for non-Jump manga, it seems. We might need a Top 100.
 

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If this keeps up, Oricon’s gonna be borderline useless for non-Jump manga, it seems. We might need a Top 100.
I really hope they either bring the top 100 back or make a separate chart for backlogs, but this is probably wishful thinking.
 

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Other manga in current Shoseki rankings right now: "This is like ants dancing under two elephants! We are the ants and they are the elephants!"

Sigh.
Thank the almighty spaghetti monster that JK only has those many volumes out so far.
 

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Really glad to see Ayakashi hopefully should make Oricon for a second week, along with Burn the Witch maintaining a great placing.

Sad that Yozakura doesn't get to be on that Giga thing but I've grown used to it at this point lol.
 

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DBS wasn’t necessarily a masterpiece whenever Toriyama was writing, but if Toyotaru takes over the franchise, which seems to be like it’ll be the case, I could seriously see rep for DB dropping.... or not, there are those ppl who still watch DB and nothing but DB. But still
There are fans who have loved stuff like Broly ... they'll like this outcome too.
 

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There are fans who have loved stuff like Broly ... they'll like this outcome too.
Broly Movie was actually good. And at the very least, even if you don’t like it, it feels very “Toriyama” and captures the spirit of the original series.

The recent arc, written by Toyotaro feels like actual Dragon Ball fan fiction. Which isn’t surprising, given that Toyotaro’s claim to fame was making Dragon Ball fan fiction.

Even the villain. Moro’s final form design literally looks like fan art that one kid in elementary school would show everyone, saying “My Uncle works at Nintendo, and he told me that this is the villain in the new Dragon Ball series, ‘Dragon Ball BBC’”

 

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Even Super in theory ...
What you just typed doesn’t make sense. You use Toriyama’s writing to say that people will like the writing from a different person.

How does that prove your argument?
 

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Even Super in theory ...
Super, prior to this arc wasn’t very good either. But it’s biggest problem was being a very cooperate series, filled with fan service for the sole purpose of driving Dragon Ball merch sales.
But again, even with Toriyama catering to what cooperations wanted from Dragon Ball, DBS still felt like Dragon Ball. It still felt like “Toriyama’s” Dragon Ball, and captured the spirit of the original series more than Dragon Ball projects that didn’t involve him(Dragon Ball GT, Dragon Ball Evolution).

Toyotaro’s Dragon Ball feels like Dragon Ball Fan Fiction
 

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It's what happens when you get a literal fanfic creator in charge.

At this point Dragon Ball is so big it might be better compared to comic book franchises like Marvel or DC than a normal manga.
 

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I’m kind of surprised we didn’t get more on Broly after the movie aired. He’s a fan favorite character, and now there’s a lot more substance and interesting character dynamics to build off of. I guess they’re saving that for later?
 

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Toyotaro’s Dragon Ball feels like Dragon Ball Fan Fiction
But Super with everything attached to it (including movies, except the first where Bills is introduced which still works because it has the novelty factor) is a fanfiction, with the difference that fans take it seriously because there is the name of Toriyama .
 

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GT also felt like and was Dragon Ball fan-fiction. Boring Dragon Ball fan-fiction.
Tbh, I enjoy Super for what it is. It's not Toriyama level, but it's dumb fun fan-fiction featuring characters and a world I grew up with.
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I’m kind of surprised we didn’t get more on Broly after the movie aired. He’s a fan favorite character, and now there’s a lot more substance and interesting character dynamics to build off of. I guess they’re saving that for later?
I expect they'll bring him in to finally kill Moro.
 

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But Super with everything attached to it (including movies, except the first where Bills is introduced which still works because it has the novelty factor) is a fanfiction, with the difference that fans take it seriously because there is the name of Toriyama .
To each their own.

But I think there is a clear difference in Toriyama’s writing, and Toyotaro’s writing
 

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What you just typed doesn’t make sense. You use Toriyama’s writing to say that people will like the writing from a different person.

How does that prove your argument?
But the Dragon Ball Super manga is being written by Toriyama. Or at least he's heavily supervising it, changing even small details like character poses and parts of the dialogue.


That goes for the current arc as well.


I never understand why people act like the DBS anime was Toriyama's work but the manga isn't. Both of them are based on Toriyama's ideas, with the details filled in by somebody else.
 

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But the Dragon Ball Super manga is being written by Toriyama. Or at least he's heavily supervising it, changing even small details like character poses and parts of the dialogue.


That goes for the current arc as well.


I never understand why people act like the DBS anime was Toriyama's work but the manga isn't. Both of them are based on Toriyama's ideas, with the details filled in by somebody else.

He’s a youtuber, but very reliable with news related to Dragon Ball, and isn’t known to BS info. Hes even publicly friends with people involved with the series and has done interviews on his channel

Also, in the post of the current arc, it clearly seems like Toyotaro is stating that his “collaboration” with Toriyama is just Toriyama reading and approving his story ideas. “I’ve been getting a lot of praise from him”, which seems to just be a similar process as Boruto. New writer is writing the series, with the original writing supervising and giving him input and advice
 
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