One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Nie Li]

I think we will, just to show how Mihawk became Mihawk and to prolong the series for le money. If Oda gave us a shitty flashback on Senor Pink, then he likely will on the World's Strongest Swordsman and possibly tie it to Zoro. Hell, we got a flashback on Katakuri, even.

I meant we won't get a flashback focused on Ryuuma. Mihawk is sure to get one.

 

[LadyVados]

Kaido knocked Oden out with a single blow as well. That just shows Kaido hits really hard, that's all.
Ten or twenty times stronger is a huge stretch. That's maybe the difference between the top tiers and pre-timeskip Luffy.

No way lol, Top tiers are thousands of times stronger than Pre-TS Luffy IMO.

 

[Gallon]

No way lol, Top tiers are thousands of times stronger than Pre-TS Luffy IMO.

That's way too much. You can easily beat a person who is half as strong as you are. The strongest characters in One Piece are likely a thousand times stronger (or close to it) than the average human, but that's the highest I'd scale them.

 

[Fox666]

Do you guys realize bounties actually provide a good measuring of how many times stronger the Yonko are compared to the commanders?

 

[LadyVados]

Do you guys realize bounties actually provide a good measuring of how many times stronger the Yonko are compared to the commanders?

You think King is almost as strong as Blackbeard ?

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That's way too much. You can easily beat a person who is half as strong as you are. The strongest characters in One Piece are likely a thousand times stronger (or close to it) than the average human, but that's the highest I'd scale them.

Do you actually think thousands of times average humans could obliterate cities and mountains and islands. LMAO.

 

[Fox666]

You think King is almost as strong as Blackbeard ?

Not necessarily. But most commanders have bounties around 1 billion, and most emperors above 4 billion. That's probably how the author thinsks...

 

[LadyVados]

Not necessarily. But most commanders have bounties around 1 billion, and most emperors above 4 billion. That's probably how the author thinsks...

But King and Blackbeard’s bounty is probably about the same. They’ll both likely be around the 2 billion mark.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

He is AT LEAST 10 times as strong as Katakuri.

Oden is probably closer to 20 times as strong as Katakuri.

Roger,Rayleigh,WB,Garp, etc.are probably more than 20 times as strong.

I've got 2 words for you: "head canon!"

The latest chapter confirms Oden > Shanks since Kaido isn’t traumatised by Shanks. Oden wasn’t strong enough to make a black blade but Mihawk was ergo Mihawk > Oden > Shanks.

Lol. Black blade isn't even related to strength from all indications. It's more or less an added aesthetic to a sword.
2 of the strongest characters in the series used blades (Roger's was a sword) and they weren't black blades.
Kindly stop with the head canon will you?

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But King and Blackbeard’s bounty is probably about the same. They’ll both likely be around the 2 billion mark.

I'm guessing Oda revealed King's bounty to you in your dreams.

 

[LadyVados]

I've got 2 words for you: "head canon!"




Lol. Black blade isn't even related to strength from all indications. It's more or less an added aesthetic to a sword.
2 of the strongest characters in the series used blades (Roger's was a sword) and they weren't black blades.
Kindly stop with the head canon will you?

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I'm guessing Oda revealed King's bounty to you in your dreams.

If Queen’s is 1.3+, I doubt King’s is less than 1.6

300-ish mil from Jack to Queen, 300-ish mil from Queen to King.

Assuming King’s bounty is 32% more than Queen’s, he’ll have a bounty of 1.7424 billion, just a few hundred mil short of BB.

It’ll probably be more if anything, YC1s are always placed on a pedestal above YC2s and 3s- look at Kata and Marco.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

If Queen’s is 1.3+, I doubt King’s is less than 1.6

300-ish mil from Jack to Queen, 300-ish mil from Queen to King.

It could be anything from 1.5 bil - 2 bil. Point is, we don't know conclusively. Can only guess until it's shown.
I'm predicting 1.5 bil as King's bounty.

 

[LadyVados]

It could be anything from 1.5 mil - 2 bil. Point is, we don't know conclusively. Can only guess until it's shown.
I'm predicting 1.5 mil as King's bounty.

So you think that King is around 70% as strong as Blackbeard ?

 

[HereNThere]

The latest chapter confirms Oden > Shanks since Kaido isn’t traumatised by Shanks. Oden wasn’t strong enough to make a black blade but Mihawk was ergo Mihawk > Oden > Shanks.

Nowhere in this chapter was this confirmed. Nobody has said anything about Shanks. Kaido hasn't said anything about being traumatized. This chapter actually makes it seem like Kaido adores Oden more than anything else and apparently would've been fine with losing. Stop using every chapter as indirect Mihawk hype.

We also know absolutely nothing about black blades and what they mean.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Kaido took out Luffy who is stronger than Katakuri (at least in terms of durability) with a single one-handed blow in his weakest form.

You call the form in which he one shots people in his weakest?
Well, to each is own but I don't think Kaido has a weak form. He's a monster regardless of which form he takes.

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So you think that King is around 70% as strong as Blackbeard ?

Why would you conclude based on that?
Mind you, bounty isn't directly equal to strength. It's rather a good indication of how powerful a character may be plus other things you may not be aware of.

Most recent example:
Luffy edged out Katakuri in what seemed like a draw.
Luffy's bounty is 1.5B, Katakuri is just over 1B. What does that tell you? ThatLuffy's 30% stronger than Katakuri (in WCI)?
That's ridiculous!

Spits*

 

[LadyVados]

You call the form in which he one shots people in his weakest?
Well, to each is own but I don't think Kaido has a weak form. He's a monster regardless of which form he takes.

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Why would you conclude based on that?
Mind you, bounty isn't directly equal to strength but a good indication of how powerful a character may be plus other things.

Sorry I confused you with @Fox666.

If you can get one-shottted then you are not a top tier. You’re only a high tier at best.

 

[LaGOAT]

Oden imo is probably admiral level at the time

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Sorry I confused you with @Fox666.

If you can get one-shottted then you are not a top tier. You’re only a high tier at best.

It happens...

Say that again. What's Oden to you? A loser?

*Spits

 

[LadyVados]

Oden imo is probably admiral level at the time

So stronger than Kaido ?

 

[Gallon]

Do you actually think thousands of times average humans could obliterate cities and mountains and islands. LMAO.

Those feats are very rare without the use of Devil Fruits; Kaido in dragon form is surely much more physically powerful than that, because he's a dragon.
Garp is known to have levelled mountains, but then again he has among the most powerful punches in the verse, and he put in effort in doing so.
No islands have been "obliterated", either. Akainu and Aokiji used their devil fruits in dealing damage to the superficial layer of an island, and they're still not "island-busters" to me - they're life-busters on an island. It's like saying humans as a whole are planet-busters, but we're not - we're planet life busters.

One Piece characters are not that strong.

 

[LadyVados]

Say that again. What's Oden to you? A loser?

*Spits

Off guard attacks don’t count. Might as well say Pre-TS Luffy oneshotted Garp.

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Those feats are very rare without the use of Devil Fruits; Kaido in dragon form is surely much more physically powerful than that, because he's a dragon.
Garp is known to have levelled mountains, but then again he has among the most powerful punches in the verse, and he put in effort in doing so.
No islands have been "obliterated", either. Akainu and Aokiji used their devil fruits in dealing damage to the superficial layer of an island, and they're still not "island-busters" to me - they're life-busters on an island. It's like saying humans as a whole are planet-busters, but we're not - we're planet life busters.

One Piece characters are not that strong.

This is an attack by Enel who is probably weaker than the average new world fodder. Bat-man would probably stomp him.

 

[Nie Li]

This is an attack by Enel who is probably weaker than the average new world fodder. Bat-man would probably stomp him.

Based on what is Enel weaker than NW fodder?