One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Gallon]

Off guard attacks don’t count. Might as well say Pre-TS Luffy oneshotted Garp.

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This is an attack by Enel who is probably weaker than the average new world fodder. Bat-man would probably stomp him.

That's a devil fruit power, not physical power.
Also, his DF is insanely strong.

 

[LadyVados]

Thai is an attack by Moriah, who probably wouldn’t even win his bracket in the dressrosa colosseum.

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Pica lifted Flower Hill which probably weighs at least a trillion pounds.

Didn’t know there were guys walking around on earth who can bench a billion pounds.

 

[Nie Li]

Thai is an attack by Moriah, who probably wouldn’t even win his bracket in the dressrosa colosseum.

That punch is the result of a DF and is not representative of Moria's base strength.

That punch had the strength of more than 1000 men because he absorbed 1000 shadows (if I remember correctly) to perform it. + Moria's own base strength that should already be super human. And those 1000 men included the strength of strong people like Luffy, Zoro and Sanji if I remember correctly.

Moria even had trouble controlling that many souls. Rather than outright surpassing his strength at the time, Luffy hit his belly repeatedly until he vomited out all the souls he had absorbed.

 

[Gallon]

Loving these examples that clearly show base strength and do not rely on DF powers at all.

 

[LadyVados]

Moriah was clearly weaker than a Pacifista in this state. He was much physically weaker than dressrosa tournament fighters.

Akainu tanked the concentrated power of Whitebeard’s Gura Gura No Mi which almost flipped the entire sea and Marineford upside down.

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Loving these examples that clearly show base strength and do not rely on DF powers at all.

How about this feat ?

No DFs involved at all.

 

[Gallon]

How about this feat ?

No DFs involved at all.

Well, ignoring the overpowered blade and Haki, I'd say that fits a brute strength of thousands of humans.

 

[LadyVados]

Well, ignoring the overpowered blade and Haki, I'd say that fits a brute strength of thousands of humans.

Are you serious ? A thousand humans couldn’t even destroy one of those ships ! That block of ice is the size of a city. Easy. Probably bigger.

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[Gallon]

Are you serious ? A thousand humans couldn’t even destroy one of those ships ! That block of ice is the size of a city. Easy. Probably bigger.

Having 1000 or more times the strength of a human is not equivalent to 1000 separate men performing a task.
Also, Mihawk without a blade and Haki is nowhere near as strong.

 

[LadyVados]

Well, obviously I’m including Haki.

But Big Mom even without using Haki, with just her bare hands is much stronger than Queen who is likely comparable or stronger than Dressrosa Luffy, who did this.

That is at least as powerful as an atom bomb.

If a punch from you is even one ten thousandth that powerful you should either be fighting for the heavyweight championship of the world or in a government lab.

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Also I highly doubt Mihawk used Haki during any of his MF slashes. He didn’t cut Buggy or even Bones initially.

 

[Gallon]

But that's the thing, that power was created by using a lot of elastic force and momentum - it's not representative of base strength.
Also, nowhere near the level of an atomic bomb.

This is going nowhere though, none of us seem to be changing our minds.

 

[LadyVados]

O Lin’s base punch >>> Queen > KKG.

 

[Gallon]

O Lin’s base punch >>> Queen > KKG.

Hard disagree.

 

[LadyVados]

Hard disagree.

You actually think KKG is more powerful than O-Lin’s punches ?

 

[Gallon]

You actually think KKG is more powerful than O-Lin’s punches ?

Not necessarily, but they're around the same level.

 

[LadyVados]

Not necessarily, but they're around the same level.

So you agree Big Mom without Haki or DF is trillions of times stronger than any human. Unless you think you could do even one billionth of that by punching the ground ?

 

[Gallon]

So you agree Big Mom without Haki or DF is trillions of times stronger than any human. Unless you think you could do even one billionth of that by punching the ground ?

Not without Haki (I assumed you just meant BM overall with O'Lin).
And where do you pull these insane numbers from? I'm so confused, haha.

 

[LadyVados]

Not without Haki.
And where do you pull these insane numbers? I'm so confused, haha.

O Lin had no Haki.

 

[Nie Li]

Top tiers probably are more than a thousand times stronger than a normal human, based on what Lucci, who in his base form had the physical strength equivalent of 400 trained marines (according to his dourikis) was able of doing. But is it important? What is the point that is tried to be proven here?

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O Lin had no Haki.

O Lin used black armament to stop G4 Luffy's punch so she herself doesn't believe she's strong enough to stop him with no haki.

 

[LadyVados]

Top tiers probably are more than a thousand times stronger than a normal human, based on what Lucci, who in his base form had the physical strength equivalent of 400 trained marines (according to his dourikis) was able of doing. But is it important? What is the point that is tried to be proven here?

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O Lin used black armament to stop G4 Luffy's punch so she herself doesn't believe she's strong enough to stop him with no haki.

O Lin is what people call amnesia big mom.

 

[Nie Li]

O Lin is what people call amnesia big mom.

Ah.
So you believe O Lin's punch has different strength to it than Big Mom?