Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Tamil]

I think length-number of volumes-wise, Toriko has been one of worst Jump performers ever. I mean, it sold 20 million copies with +40 volumes. For comparison, My Hero Academia is on 28 million copies with 28 volumes.

The only manga I can think now that have performed or are performing worse than Toriko if you have in account the number of volumes and the number of copies in circulation would be Black Clover and Beelzebub.

That 20 million figure was from volume 30 lol. It went 13 volumes dry with no print update and was a 300k+ seller after the anime ended. MHA's success is definitely not the norm as its a huge hit so I wouldn't use that as a comparison to say Toriko is one of Jump's worst performers in terms of number of volumes.

 

[Reading Somethin']

Lurked for a while here both with and without an account for half of 2019 or so. Thought it would be a good time to start posting. Here are my predictions:
-One piece doesn't get first on oricon again
-20 Hxh chapters
-Jjk getting a huge boost to top three on oricon list and becomes the new super popular seasonal battle shonen in the west
-Kny slows down a bit and gets 4th on oricon
-Samurai 8 sales dwindle down and it eventually moves magazines
-Black Clover goes back to pre-anime sales, but anime will stay
-Jump Force 2 or new jump console game that isn't One piece, Naruto, or Dragon ball
-Mitama and Yozakura will survive this year
-actage anime announcement

Remember when I suggested to look back at last year prediction to see if you fared well? Since I didn't get much answers, I did the dirty job for you. Here we go:

2 1/2 out of 9

I may have gotten something wrong, especially about the sales or popularity predictions. Please feel free to correct, I'm here to learn!! :-)

Nice! Some comments on this: JJK got a big boost, but I'm not sure if it can get to top 3 over One Piece currently. Should have gone with my gut feeling and said cancelled for Samurai 8. I think BC has gone down to pre-anime sales, current volume sold 138k as far as I know and volume before anime sold 150k. We did get the Non-D.O.N., Kimetsu No Yaiba and the Tsubasa games this year. I might have gotten act-age right, if it didn't...err... get disqualified. 4 out of 9.

Here's my list for 2021

-One Piece still doesn't get first on Oricon again
-Hunter x Hunter returns
-Hunter x Hunter gets new circulation number
-Build King is a success
-Sakamoto is a success
-CSM ends and gets anime
-KNY video game will destroy records
-KNY manga sales will surpass Bleach world wide sales
-Another non-D.O.N. video game announcement
-JJK will beat MHA volume peak
-Burn the Witch returns with season two and announces the third season as the last
-Cop and Dolphin cancelled
-Roboco does a Mitama
-Magu wins the gagbowl

On the current topic:

Samurai 8 was the worst simply because it under-performed, but Toriko performed decently. Toriko being pushed over Naruto was undeserved. I didn't mind it getting pushed over Bleach though. Bleach was the second anime I watched, but it was clearly on it's way out. Times change and now we have new hits. MHA is Bleach level, JJK might get there too. Older series like Jojo and HxH are finding more popularity outside of Japan. Just like most series, Bleach is going to fade away and can't keep up with anomalies like One Piece and Naruto, so Toriko getting pushed over Bleach had at least some level of justification.

 

[yadayada]

That's the third reprint and the first one hasn't even rolled out yet...reprint on the 10th, 17th and now 2nd of december...jesus christ...Good on the CSM reprint.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 5, 2020, Original Post Date: Nov 5, 2020 ---

Also, SxF anime is so getting announced at JF lol.

 

[TyVip]

Isn't Toriko current number stuck on 20 million copies though? I've checked and I see the number is that.

Interesting to see the list in which Black Clover has a better radio. Right now Black Clover has a better ratio than Beelzebub, Medaka, Sket Dance and...I'd say that's all.

I should check better, but I think the manga in current roster with the most similar ratio to Toriko could actually be Dr.Stone.

This is in the strip, volume 27 18 million copies in circulation (volume 27 was released Nov 1, 2013)

Spoiler: Sales

November 18, 2013 -November 16, 2014
Toriko (1,877,287)
November 17, 2014 - November 22, 2015
Toriko (1,485,595)

Last seen ranking
*315,626 Toriko Vol.28
*313,560 Toriko Vol.29
*281,268 Toriko Vol.30
*267,400 Toriko Vol.31
*257,990 Toriko Vol.32
*263,043　Toriko Vol.33
*264,412　Toriko Vol.34
*260,524　Toriko Vol.35
*254,190　Toriko Vol.36
*237,049　Toriko Vol.37
*224,658　Toriko Vol.38
*207,206　Toriko Vol.39
*203,095　Toriko Vol.40
*178,687　Toriko Vol.41
*181,207　Toriko Vol.42

According to Wikipedia, same strip says it reaches 20 million in volume 30, inside the spoiler you will see it matches up with the 1.8 million sold (~2 million circulation)

So if you add all those sales from volume 31 to 42 you get 2,799,461 - so give or take ~3 million printed
so 20 mil (Vol 30) plus the rest = ~23 million

 

[Ryuusei]

That's the third reprint and the first one hasn't even rolled out yet...reprint on the 10th, 17th and now 2nd of december...jesus christ...Good on the CSM reprint.

Quite possibly they are sending out a huge number of reprints but in batches, probably so they don't overload or overcommit and end up failing in delivering them. Anyway, since this most recent one is right before volume 23's release and there aren't reprints for it already, I hope this means they decided not to be cheapskates and gave volume 23 a first print well above 4 million.

 

[Tarot]

Was this posted here?

 

[Death&Strawberry]

Hasn't it already hit 225k by now?

No, it was 218k iirc. 205k + the new 13k. By the end of the month I guess it will hit 225-230k, bare in mind on the last ranking, it wasn’t counting the reprints, which will obviously sell more.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 5, 2020, Original Post Date: Nov 5, 2020 ---

Samurai 8 was the worst simply because it under-performed, but Toriko performed decently. Toriko being pushed over Naruto was undeserved. I didn't mind it getting pushed over Bleach though. Bleach was the second anime I watched, but it was clearly on it's way out. Times change and now we have new hits. MHA is Bleach level, JJK might get there too. Older series like Jojo and HxH are finding more popularity outside of Japan. Just like most series, Bleach is going to fade away and can't keep up with anomalies like One Piece and Naruto, so Toriko getting pushed over Bleach had at least some level of justification.

Bleach fading away? LMAO

Try harder next time.

 

[Franz]

Does anybody know the current circulation sales for the Boruto series?

Definitely under 10 million, I think around five ...

 

[NotMe123]

Definitely under 10 million, I think around five ...

Thanks

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Was this posted here?

Black Clover keeping consistent, even 1 position better in gross profit compared to the last report. And Boruto beat Naruto in both rankings for the first time! 2nd half will probably keep and 2021 will be a great year for the anime

 

[101nemesis]

Bleach fading away? LMAO

Try harder next time.

I mean, he isn't wrong. Bleach declined in sales by 50% by the time Toriko reached it's peak. The anime ended, no movies, games or other major projects came up that helped keep it's franchise momentum up (I don't count Bleach Brave Souls as a major project). As a counter example of something that stayed relevant, Naruto continued to have an anime, projects, movies, games etc.

No one's attacking Bleach's legacy. That speaks for itself. But his point was not wrong.

 

[NotMe123]

Black Clover keeping consistent, even 1 position better in gross profit compared to the last report. And Boruto beat Naruto in both rankings for the first time! 2nd half will probably keep and 2021 will be a great year for the anime

I couldn’t agree more!! With the Ao arc around the corner we could see an increase of sales and global revenue in 2021. Plus the series still have 2/3 strong light novels to adapt which did well in terms of sales so when they do get animated it’s bound to increase the anime’s overall domestic ranking.

 

[tirakai]

Both chapters of Demon Slayer Rengoku gaiden from a few weeks back have been translated by someone now, and the notice at the end reminded me that it's getting a volume release next month (collecting it and the Tomioka Gaiden).

I'm pretty curious to see how the volume will sell, it probably partly depends on print numbers but even if it sells only 10% of the main series' volumes that'd still be a full 400k.

 

[Death&Strawberry]

Black Clover keeping consistent, even 1 position better in gross profit compared to the last report. And Boruto beat Naruto in both rankings for the first time! 2nd half will probably keep and 2021 will be a great year for the anime

What is amazing is Bleach, slaying 8 years after it ended.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 5, 2020, Original Post Date: Nov 5, 2020 ---

I mean, he isn't wrong. Bleach declined in sales by 50% by the time Toriko reached it's peak. The anime ended, no movies, games or other major projects came up that helped keep it's franchise momentum up (I don't count Bleach Brave Souls as a major project). As a counter example of something that stayed relevant, Naruto continued to have an anime, projects, movies, games etc.

No one's attacking Bleach's legacy. That speaks for itself. But his point was not wrong.

He said Bleach fading away as no one will remember the series, when it’s one of the Big 3, and arguably the best quality wise imo.

Naruto had Boruto, and actually now Bleach is kinda more relevant than Naruto. Boruto is the one getting the spotlight now.

 

[Koni]

Spoiler: 49 TOC, 50 Preview & New Series Round

49 TOC
Chainsaw Man (LCP)
My Hero Academia
Dr. STONE
MASHLE
Black Clover (Cover)
We Never Learn (CP)
Mission: Yozakura Family
Jujutsu Kaisen
Popo (GFC Oneshot Entry No. 5/CP/45p) by Momose Nao
Undead Unluck
Ayakashi Triangle (23p)
Me and Roboco
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
High School Family (2 Chapters)
Phantom Seer
Hakaishin Magu-chan
Our Blood Oath
AGRAVITY BOYS
Shinrin Ouja Moriking

50 Preview
Cover & LCP: BUILD KING (New Series/60p) by Shimabukuro Mitsutoshi (Seikimatsu Leader Den Takeshi!; Toriko)
CP: Phantom Seer; Mission: Yozakura Family (25p)

New Series
Issue 50: BUILD KING by Shimabukuro Mitsutoshi (Seikimatsu Leader Den Takeshi!; Toriko)
Issue 51: SAKAMOTO DAYS by Suzuki Yuuto

I know I'm late to this, but... two new series!

So Moriking's toast. Damn, so that whole batch with it, BoneColle, and Ghostwriter was just an abject failure.

And Agravity Boys is now in danger - better hope that some of the newbies flop harder than it with subsequent volumes and fast. Otherwise, it's the axe for you.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I couldn’t agree more!! With the Ao arc around the corner we could see an increase of sales and global revenue in 2021. Plus the series still have 2/3 strong light novels to adapt which did well in terms of sales so when they do get animated it’s bound to increase the anime’s overall domestic ranking.

Yeah, Ao arc and specially Kawaki and Kashin Koji being introduced will bring a lot of hype to the anime + manga developments getting more and more intense, will be a strong year for the series.

 

[James Rye]

I know I'm late to this, but... two new series!

So Moriking's toast. Damn, so that whole batch with it, BoneColle, and Ghostwriter was just an abject failure.

And Agravity Boys is now in danger - better hope that some of the newbies flop harder than it with subsequent volumes and fast. Otherwise, it's the axe for you.

Isn't AB safe for the time being due WNL ending in a couple weeks though?

 

[101nemesis]

He said Bleach fading away as no one will remember the series, when it’s one of the Big 3, and arguably the best quality wise imo.

Naruto had Boruto, and actually now Bleach is kinda more relevant than Naruto. Boruto is the one getting the spotlight now.

If Boruto is relevant that automatically means Naruto is relevant since Boruto is a literal continuation of Naruto.

You need to read his comment properly. He gave the reason why Toriko being pushed ahead of Bleach during those years was "justified". And he isn't wrong. Toriko was put ahead of Bleach in group covers in WSJ and promotions because Toriko was touted to be "the next big thing" and Bleach was becoming a veteran that was past its prime.

 

[OtterBrigade]

I know I'm late to this, but... two new series!

So Moriking's toast. Damn, so that whole batch with it, BoneColle, and Ghostwriter was just an abject failure.

And Agravity Boys is now in danger - better hope that some of the newbies flop harder than it with subsequent volumes and fast. Otherwise, it's the axe for you.

Isn't AB safe for the time being due WNL ending in a couple weeks though?

I know we aren't sure exactly when CSM is ending but isn't it possible these are to replace CSM and AA meaning nothing would be axed?

 

[Koni]

Isn't AB safe for the time being due WNL ending in a couple weeks though?

We Never Learn will be on it's 5th Sensei chapter when Build King starts, and it's 6th chapter when Sakamoto Days starts. Going by the usual 20 slot maximum, there's currently 19 series currently running (see Shinuki's signature) - so one slot will be already open for Build King. Unless Jump wants to temporarily run 21 series for 4 weeks, they'll have to axe something to make room for Sakamoto.