One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Monox D. I-Fly]

That's why I try to not think too much about ranking Supernovas

I try to not think too much about ranking anyone since One Piece isn't Dragon Ball where everyone can be ranked very linearly.

 

[Fox666]

Who between Garp and Sengoku is stronger, according to Oda? Has he talked about that?

If Garp was equal to Roger, then presumably he is stronger than Sengoku.

However, the few comparisons we had between the two points to them being more-or-less equals:

- Both of them fought Shiki, without any indication of one being stronger than the other;
- Sengoku was strong enough to prevent Garp from attacking Akainu;
- Roger said the Marines should bring Garp or Sengoku to fight him;

 

[kkck]

The admirals of any generation being equal to roger, whitebeard or the yonko sounds like a stretch. We saw the sheer extent of the threat posed by big mom to the rest of her crew (though there is a case to be made that they probably would not want to kill their mother, among other implications of a confrontation there) and we saw kaido one shooting luffy... A single group having 3 people with as powerful or greater than the current yonko would be absurd. YCs 1 through 3 would be essentially foderized on contact with an admiral. The 3 admirals would be able to mow down through hordes of yonko forces...

 

[M3J]

Never been addressed. The manga doesn't make any comparisons really; Sengoku is usually mentioned in terms of intellect and a great strategist, whereas as Garp is known as Hero of the Marines and we know some of his specific encounters with legendary pirates.

That said Sengoku was also an Admiral and then Fleet Admiral. I personally wouldn't think there's much in it but would probably because he's the one with presented feats. It's difficult to make the same case for Sengoku and his rank doesn't hold up in a debate, seeing as we know Garp rejected that same position multiple times.

And it makes you wonder where Garp would be if he accepted promotions. I really hope there's some sort of indication or an actual fight, just for the fun of it.

Sengoku doesn't have much going on for him, but Roger did vouch for him in the same breath as Garp, so I'd say he's legit. As for who's the stronger of the two? Who knows. He's the only marine we of so far to have CoC, so that's something too.

I feel like Garp has it too. Did Sengoku use CoC in the manga or anime or was that only mentioned out of the manga/anime?

If Garp was equal to Roger, then presumably he is stronger than Sengoku.

However, the few comparisons we had between the two points to them being more-or-less equals:

- Both of them fought Shiki, without any indication of one being stronger than the other;
- Sengoku was strong enough to prevent Garp from attacking Akainu;
- Roger said the Marines should bring Garp or Sengoku to fight him;

How did you presume that?

To be fair, Garp wasn't fighting back when Sengoku stopped him.

 

[LadyVados]

The admirals of any generation being equal to roger, whitebeard or the yonko sounds like a stretch. We saw the sheer extent of the threat posed by big mom to the rest of her crew (though there is a case to be made that they probably would not want to kill their mother, among other implications of a confrontation there) and we saw kaido one shooting luffy... A single group having 3 people with as powerful or greater than the current yonko would be absurd. YCs 1 through 3 would be essentially foderized on contact with an admiral. The 3 admirals would be able to mow down through hordes of yonko forces...

We see mowing down a YC1 is far beyond a Yonko’s ability- Big Mom vs Marco. Big Mom would be lucky to manage a high diff win against Marco.

Luffy wasn’t really YC1 level he was YC2, Katakuri let him win. And Kata is much weaker than King and Marco, let alone Beckmann.

Though Akainu was arguably mowing Marco down near the end of Marineford.

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I can’t believe people are debating Zoro reopening Kaido’s scar, it was basically confirmed.

 

[HereNThere]

I feel like Garp has it too. Did Sengoku use CoC in the manga or anime or was that only mentioned out of the manga/anime?

I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

It was supplementary material. The vivre card databook.

 

[LaGOAT]

We see mowing down a YC1 is far beyond a Yonko’s ability- Big Mom vs Marco. Big Mom would be lucky to manage a high diff win against Marco.

Luffy wasn’t really YC1 level he was YC2, Katakuri let him win. And Kata is much weaker than King and Marco, let alone Beckmann.

Though Akainu was arguably mowing Marco down near the end of Marineford.

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I can’t believe people are debating Zoro reopening Kaido’s scar, it was basically confirmed.

Disagree katakuri is YC1 level i believe he is on the same tier as Marco and king but weaker than them

 

[LadyVados]

Disagree katakuri is YC1 level i believe he is on the same tier as Marco and king but weaker than them

Kata let Luffy win, he was a bit stronger than him IMO

 

[LaGOAT]

Kata let Luffy win, he was a bit stronger than him IMO

I agree to a certain extent but current luffy>kata also kata is YC1

 

[Melmoth]

Luffy won. Katakuri accepted his defeat, and went as far as thinking Luffy could challenge Big Mom sooner than later. I mean the growth of Luffy during that fight was impressive. And now he even mastered advanced haki. They both wanted a 1 vs 1, and Katakuri proved to have such a noble spirit, that he wouldn't accept a tiny bit of unfairness. That might seem underwhelming to some, but that's also what makes his character rather unique.

Yamato is probably stronger than Zoro and Sanji. She won't join the crew

She doesn't need to join the crew to travel with them. And I think it's a bit to early to tell how strong she really is. Drake has one-shotted a Number too, yet he doesn't seem stronger than Zoro to me. And after all, Jimbei joined the crew and he's probably on pair with their strenght.
Also, it's only the start of the war, who knows which heights the monster trio will reach?

 

[hokageji]

Luffy
Zoro
Kid
Law
Drake
Bege
Urouge
Killer
Bonney
Apoo
Hawkins

Now how do you think Zoro will fight Kidd? His magnetism can easily cause Zoro's sword to break, bend or disappear. I dont think Haki can do that either.

Kidd and Law are the only known rivals for Luffy other than Blackbeard. All the hype of supernova was for a reason, i just dont see them being so easily lower than Zoro.
I think Zoro being anywhere in the TOP 3 is a hard sell...

Who between Garp and Sengoku is stronger, according to Oda? Has he talked about that?

I think Sengoku is probably stronger until and unless Garp is revealed to have Conquerors.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

can’t believe people are debating Zoro reopening Kaido’s scar, it was basically confirmed.

The Scabbards already did that for Zoro lol. Kaido's scar was reopened a few chapters ago so...

If you support Zoro so much shouldn't you be hoping he injures Kaido permanently like Oden did? Not targeting a presumed weak point.

 

[Nie Li]

The Scabbards already did that for Zoro lol. Kaido's scar was reopened a few chapters ago so...

If you support Zoro so much shouldn't you be hoping he injures Kaido permanently like Oden did? Not targeting a presumed weak point.

It also looked like they did so to me, but Kaido and the manga disagrees with us. Kaido himself specifically told the Scabbards (after that combined attack on the scar) that they "they weren't even able of reopening his wound", so the feat is still unclaimed.

 

[hokageji]

i dont get the association of Zoro cutting Kaido as a way to power him up.

If he had Shisui, it would've been different as Shisui it could be a way to earn it. But with Enma, its probably just whatever Oden did. And in all honesty, the samurai's have not been impressive as swordsmen so far in the arc. If this were exactly like Feudal Japan, they'd have stronger swordsmen samurai but we see none.

Zoro cutting Kaido would be great to watch, but Luffy, Kidd and Law also need their moments and if Zoro does manage to cut Kaido, it wouldn't be enough.

 

[Fox666]

It also looked like they did so to me, but Kaido and the manga disagrees with us. Kaido himself specifically told the Scabbards (after that combined attack on the scar) that they "they weren't even able of reopening his wound", so the feat is still unclaimed.

The Scabbards have already proved they can damage Kaido. They are just not strong enough to seriously injury him.

I don't see anything suggesting that Zoro will fight Kaido, or even injure him. Oden cut Kaido because of Ryou, not because of his swords. If anything, that was foreshadowing of his Scabbards doing something similar.

 

[Nie Li]

The Scabbards have already proved they can damage Kaido. They are just not strong enough to seriously injury him.

I don't see anything suggesting that Zoro will fight Kaido, or even injure him. Oden cut Kaido because of Ryou, not because of his swords. If anything, that was foreshadowing of his Scabbards doing something similar.

There's no foreshadowing for the scabbards. They have just had their chance and Kaido has made clear that they didn't make the cut (pun intended).

I don't know if Zoro will face Kaido or not, nor did I argue that he will, I'm only saying that the feat of properly cutting Kaido or at least properly reopening his old wound is in the air.

 

[HereNThere]

I think we've got a decent amount of set up for the Supernova taking on Kaido. Zoro is a Supernova, so he has a good shot of being a part of the pile on. Him reopening the wound, however, is up in the air, as Moegara said.

 

[M3J]

I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

It was supplementary material. The vivre card databook.

I think he probably does.

Oh. Wouldn't mean Garp wouldn't have it, since Oda might not want to reveal it just yet.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Since when does having CoC means you're stronger than others ?

Even if Garp doesn't have it, doesn't means he's weaker than Sengoku.

 

[HereNThere]

Oh. Wouldn't mean Garp wouldn't have it, since Oda might not want to reveal it just yet.

This is what I'm thinking. There were a few obvious omissions in that databook.

Since when does having CoC means you're stronger than others ?

Even if Garp doesn't have it, doesn't means he's weaker than Sengoku.

I was just pointing out his possession of CoC as another aspect of his strength, not proof that he's stronger than Garp.