Chapter Tower of God Chapter 485 Spoilers & Discussion

Kallavan will...

  • kill Lyborick and take his place

  • be killed by Lyborick

  • be killed by someone else

  • join Wolhaiksong

  • join FUG

  • None of the above will happen


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Oh at least some news.

This tells a serious condition and lifetime risk. its not like his drawing is super great or irreplacable. Just look for some good talent man
Why dont he just focus on the story and hire illustrator(s) for drawing?
 

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Starting to seem like he bit off more than he can chew. The anime series is his ruin.
 

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Starting to seem like he bit off more than he can chew. The anime series is his ruin.
SIU didn't have anything to do with the anime that would have added to his problems. His condition is entirely due to producing weekly webtoon chapters for a decade without ever giving himself much of a break. He's been complaining about his wrist for years, but just kept going and going until it broke to the point where it now might not ever be fixable.
 

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So... how does SIU actuall draw tog? By hand, as in, with pencil and paper? I was of the understanding that most mangaka and whatnot used computers nowdays.
 

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On the positive side of things, if SIU does indeed make a long-awaited comeback then he will do so having had a wealth of time to properly map out the story's direction. Should lead to an end to the flying by the seat of his pants storytelling that he seems to have been forced to deal with for quite some time leading up to the hiatus.
 

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About wrist problems, after rereading some blogposts, I think SIU had them since s1, so you can say that he was suffering for almost a decade. Being dedicated is good but if you don't care about your own self, you'll eventually break. That's why the balance between work and personal life is important.
Both physically and mentally, SIU has to improve in this department, he'd also enjoy life more and have it much more easier overall.
Hopefully, he gets well and fully ready in 6 months.
 

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Dang! Another 6 months! That's a hell of a long time, and it may be particularly hard for him to maintain the studio. Well, we will see in another 6 months or so. I can keep my hopes up, but if I were him, I would be trying to think about alternative income sources. I'm not going to say that this is the end, but I have some serious doubts.

But, as @King Dryst mentions, if he does return, hopefully, he will have a more clear vision of how he wants the story to go. This third season has not been as strong as the first two, and part of it may simply be that he's been pushing it too hard and too fast.
 

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About wrist problems, after rereading some blogposts, I think SIU had them since s1, so you can say that he was suffering for almost a decade. Being dedicated is good but if you don't care about your own self, you'll eventually break. That's why the balance between work and personal life is important.
Both physically and mentally, SIU has to improve in this department, he'd also enjoy life more and have it much more easier overall.
Hopefully, he gets well and fully ready in 6 months.
I first discovered the series right around the Zygaena episode and I seem to recall the wrist complaints becoming a thing even then.
 

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Lets hope he will be ok after this time. There is still a lot of story to tell :) Now would be the best moment for return of The Breaker. But i don't even believe it will ever happen...
 

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So... how does SIU actuall draw tog? By hand, as in, with pencil and paper? I was of the understanding that most mangaka and whatnot used computers nowdays.
I believe he draws on a tablet or something similar. This implies that he is using an electronic pen which are usually heavier than a regular pen/pencil, causing more stress on the joints and muscles. You might think a few grams difference isn’t that bad, but it adds up in your hands over hours.

Personally I am OK with this because I am middle aged now and I feel for SIU. As you get older your body doesn’t do what it used to and doesn’t always do what you want. Especially if you don’t care for it. I feel for him and hope he can find a way through it.

I am very sad to have to wait for ToG. I miss it and I miss posting with all of you here. Maybe I need to get into something else... ToG was really my most serious manga/manwah that I had been following.

I hope all of you are well in this pandemic and that you have much health and happiness in the new year.

:fiesta
 

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Damn. Pains me deeply to read this . Siu has given us such long chapters for years on end but still this fucking sucks to read but !!! Let’s consider Togashi who can’t even write a sentence to his fans. As much as this sucks , even if it takes five years to recover I have small hope for SIU he seems to really care . As the men we are we can wait , chainsaw man is continuing and jujutsu Kaisen, and hell’s paradise continue so let’s soldier on!
 

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we know one irregular could : Enryu. We know another irregular couldnt: Urek. How do you know another irregular cant?
We know that Enryuu is a special irregular , sent by a god and Zahard not .

We also know that Guardian have a skill that make them able to control a flloor and rob it from people ; all guardian has it .

We know that they are immortal like FH , or no FH are immortal like Guardian , that mean , that iregular facing guardian woud loosing immortality and guardian wlll rest immortal , as far as we know no irregular posses a torn r something similar .
Yeah, at this point I think I'm just about to give this story up for dead. Delay upon delay upon delay. SIU's paying the price for overworking himself for a decade.
I am also tired of iit , but know i will be here in 6 months , this is he firsst manwha that i tougth could match giant like OP , Naruto and kingdom , eveen if it failed patethically i still like how original is TOG world .

Well 6 months is quite long , i like you said , SIU should have been taking pause and going for it slowly even if it means getting less pages or less chapte in a months , and now we are having 1 year and half pause .

I hope that when he come bac he will take more pause like Oda .
 

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I am also tired of iit , but know i will be here in 6 months , this is he firsst manwha that i tougth could match giant like OP , Naruto and kingdom , eveen if it failed patethically i still like how original is TOG world .

Well 6 months is quite long , i like you said , SIU should have been taking pause and going for it slowly even if it means getting less pages or less chapte in a months , and now we are having 1 yea
It's not really that I'm tired of it, or upset about it or can't deal with another delay. I'm just skeptical that he's ever really coming back after that long of a hiatus. There are tons of incomplete works out there.
 

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We know that Enryuu is a special irregular , sent by a god and Zahard not .

We also know that Guardian have a skill that make them able to control a flloor and rob it from people ; all guardian has it .

We know that they are immortal like FH , or no FH are immortal like Guardian , that mean , that iregular facing guardian woud loosing immortality and guardian wlll rest immortal , as far as we know no irregular posses a torn r something similar .
This is exemplar non sequitur. How do you know zahard doesnt have any other means or any other God supporting him or how do you know just support of God can give one power of shinso and no other means can avail that or that other irregulars such as zahard cant do that point blank?
how do you know for sure that Zahard doesnt have anything similar to thorn ? Gustang had the thorn under his wing why is it impossible for them to come up with something equivalent to it ?
 

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But some corrections, it is not because the top 3 of the Baam team at that time was Baam, Androssi and Sachi that this makes AA and Rak weak, leaving the first two aside for obvious reasons
The blogpost in question wasn't broadly refering to the top 3 among Baam's party, it was more general. While undoubtly skilled, Khun and Rak weren't among the absolute top notch among the regulars of their class strengthwise, that wasn't about fame or notoriety among the crowd but SIU's omniscient point of view as au author. This alone showed the limits of their potential. If they climb the tower in a conventional way, it's not even sure they'd have become advanced Rankers after living for several thousands of years.
If you think about it mathematically, other than several exceptions. the top 4/5 of each class don't settle there for more than several years in the said class based on what we could see so far. If all of them were to become even Rankers, seeing how the empire has a history of several tens of thousands of years, then not even the 100.000 Rankers spots would be enough to fill this much top regulars. Especially when we add those who usually don't show themselves to the crowd (Akryung, Buelar Eliot, etc).
The thing is that being a top regular of a class is the bare minimum just to show a fodder Ranker potentiality.
Now, Khun and Rak certainly reached a whole another level after learning there shinsu qualities but they were like bottom-line Ranker in potential prior to that.

It has already been made clear that the regulars of the 10 families have been trained since young (AA himself skipped these training sessions) in addition to family contracts, that is, they already have a tremendous advantage. Just looking at Ran, Novick, Laure and Irure from an early age have already learned shinsoo manipulation and techniques from their families / branches. To say that Androssi cannot possibly reach Maschenny or that many do not reach the top 300 or 100 due to the performance in the HF is not something concrete in my view.
Training prior to becoming a regular is a good point but it was never such a tremendous advantage. Once the non 10 families start learning about shinsu, they have a rapid growth for a moment but after that their evolution becomes more stable. It's not like the Hatsus and Raks were growing at a faster rate than Rans and Novicks. Climbing the tower and exposing the body to the inner tower's dense shinsu has far more benefit than just starting at a higher degree.
Meanwhile the gap between Endorsi and Maschenny was like something impossible to fill. As I noted in an earlier post :
-Endorsi + Thorn Baam + Data Hansung were forced to combined their power to beat the statue of good and evil
-Endorsi + Baam were struggling against a champion villan for his high defensive ability.
-Endoris + Yu Hansung were running away against the giant solider due to a difference in power.
All these ennemies were nothing more than little jokes under the big breeders orders, implying that the weakest one of them Chung already stands on a whole another level compared to Endorsi.
Yet Asencio was fighting on par the bull big breeder (who is far stronger than Chung) who in turn got one shotted by "base" Maschenny without Redan before he knows what happening to him.
Frankly speaking, based on these facts, I'm not even sure whether a hundred Endorsis would be enough to stand a chance against Maschenny at the same point.
SIU also noted that Endorsi is "warm and human" among the princesses meanwhile Maschenny is one of the strongest. Overall, there isn't a single fact suggesting that Endorsi would come close to Mas' when she reaches her full power, it's actually the whole opposite and that's including the skill she learned from Yuri and her shinsu quality which she gained by climbing "alongside an irregular" in a non-conventional way.

I don't see them defeating rankers while regulars, much less facing the FH, but it doesn't mean they can't get high rankings, Doom, if I'm not mistaken, I already entered the top 200 as soon as I became a ranker.
All we know is that he became a top 200 in his prime.
If you want my opinion, I'd rather argue that he needed several thousands of years at least, most likely seveal tens of thousands to reach this level.
The only known non-irregular who became a HR almost immediatly after becoming a Ranker is Adori.
If you want more metrics, I think Yuri is a good character for that matter. We know her potential more or less, she is considered the most talented in the Ha family, implying that she may become either top 30 or 40 if she lives for several tens of thousands of years. Yet she needed a 100 years of growth to become a HR once becoming a Ranker, which was considered an incredible feat.
 
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The funny thing is...Baam isn't weaker. He tied with Data Jahad, meaning hidden floor Baam as strong as Jahad was on the Hidden Floor. Baam right after the hidden floor gets a second thorn fragment and the red thyrssa. This is what makes this discussion funnier.
If you measure experience and innate combat ability into the mix Baam has had presumably much less
Training than Zahard, who was no doubt a fighter outside the tower and had plenty of experience.
(Based on Arie Hons remark of him losing to Zahard 10 times and serving him, thereby no doubt following him into the tower)

Baam lived in a cave and was somewhat of a pacifist only training for a few years upon entering the tower, and probably climbing it just as fast or faster.
It’s like comparing levels in an MMO or game. Baam
Would’ve been level 20 and Zahard level 30, but Baam tied due to the thorn and other things.

If he’s become that powerful that fast, he will eventually surpass Zahard.
in my eyes Baams actually stronger based on this view, if he’s reaches the hypothetical level 30 he would probably effortlessly defeat him.
 
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