Fantasy Zoro v Kaido

[Ramen]

Zoro will do heavy damage but but won't kill.

EoS Zoro will be above Kaido.

 

[mattey245]

Then why are enemies he faced in fights of each arc still alive? Don't ignore the truth on reality Zoro doesn't kill much at all. Also what does on fodder doesn't mean much if he can't kill stronger opponents than that each time.

Again not much proof when you look at his fights with enemies he should have kill, but didn't.

Law's Haki still above and of course more than Zoro given he shown to able offensively and defensively on people like Doffy and Hawkins who he beaten latter better which Zoro struggle with. He still choose to fight him and it went with him bloody up while Hawkins was just fine and he wasn't down to low lives with that nor his strongest attack was shown.

No thanks. I don't watch biased people. They bring toxic much when they wank too much on character when not much proof on that. I don't mind hearing others opinions and theories, just has to make sense is all, not the illogical stuff you and this Aofiji stuff your spouting. Just keep it to yourself on that guys' content please especially can't be use as proof here either.

Zoro didn't even fight against Doffy and he wasn't even trying to fight against Hawkins, and even if he did he didn't use his bandana wich shows that he didn't fight seriously plus he didn't even use his 3ss. And well, we all know what happened when Law went against Doffy, he almost died. Zoro you to see how strong his haki is you can look at him being able to easily harden his and buff his slashes with said haki. And he also showed that mastery when he commanded his haki to come back when Enma was trying to suck it. Something I doubt that is able to achieve.

And the major problem I have is that you are saying that the arguments he gave are pretty much dumb when you didn't even see 2 minutes of the video. And you first started saying that he doesn't kill but we'll, now he doesn't kill that much. You changed pretty fast from one point to other.

However, Zoro is going to have a rough time shining in this arc tbh. I expect Oda to do something with him. He isn't going to fight King since this looks like Marco's job and if he does cut Kaido it won't be a very wow since even Kinemon did a cut on him. Wich again, proves that Zoro could be able to cut him since Zoro>Kinemon. And if he does a scale on Kaido it would be pretty much pointless and repetitive since Oden alr did it. What I'm saying is basically that Zoro is screwed up if he wants to shine. Also, just a little reminder that the chapter 1000 is available if you didn't watch it.

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Zoro will do heavy damage but but won't kill.

EoS Zoro will be above Kaido.

EoS?

 

[Ramen]

EoS

End of Series.

 

[King Moe]

Zoro will do heavy damage but but won't kill.

EoS Zoro will be above Kaido.

He won't Luffy, Kidd, and Law getting more spotlight and damage than him.

EOS Zoro is debatable as maybe or maybe not. Though that is for another thread and another time.

 

[King Moe]

Zoro didn't even fight against Doffy and he wasn't even trying to fight against Hawkins, and even if he did he didn't use his bandana wich shows that he didn't fight seriously plus he didn't even use his 3ss. And well, we all know what happened when Law went against Doffy, he almost died. Zoro you to see how strong his haki is you can look at him being able to easily harden his and buff his slashes with said haki. And he also showed that mastery when he commanded his haki to come back when Enma was trying to suck it. Something I doubt that is able to achieve.

And the major problem I have is that you are saying that the arguments he gave are pretty much dumb when you didn't even see 2 minutes of the video. And you first started saying that he doesn't kill but we'll, now he doesn't kill that much. You changed pretty fast from one point to other.

However, Zoro is going to have a rough time shining in this arc tbh. I expect Oda to do something with him. He isn't going to fight King since this looks like Marco's job and if he does cut Kaido it won't be a very wow since even Kinemon did a cut on him. Wich again, proves that Zoro could be able to cut him since Zoro>Kinemon. And if he does a scale on Kaido it would be pretty much pointless and repetitive since Oden alr did it. What I'm saying is basically that Zoro is screwed up if he wants to shine. Also, just a little reminder that the chapter 1000 is available if you didn't watch it.

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EoS?

Zoro couldn't even stop his Birdcage at all and neither was Hawkins and yet he still damage by him. Bandana isn't his power-up so whether he wears it or not, doesn't mean much nor using 3 swords as he is equal on all styles on skill. Nothing shows he is above Law all and beating Pica over Doflamingo is laughable thing to see. Nothing to proof Zoro above at all especially he faced in timeskip.

Give me enemies he face in battles he killed that isn't fodder as he kill absolutely no one in his fights for a long time and isn't going to start doing now

.Zoro looks like he is more support and it won't mean much getting a cut in already injured area like Scabbards did for him, so it take away his feat even if he tries to cut him. He won't surpass an former Roger Pirate in one arc and it takes time. Not stating he won't surpass, but he isn't doing it in this timeframe your pushing on. Just saying to you to estimate not overestimate on the situation.

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Nope

Yep. Also didn't Goldb told you to stop interacting here?

 

[mattey245]

Zoro couldn't even stop his Birdcage at all and neither was Hawkins and yet he still damage by him. Bandana isn't his power-up so whether he wears it or not, doesn't mean much nor using 3 swords as he is equal on all styles on skill. Nothing shows he is above Law all and beating Pica over Doflamingo is laughable thing to see. Nothing to proof Zoro above at all especially he faced in timeskip.

Give me enemies he face in battles he killed that isn't fodder as he kill absolutely no one in his fights for a long time and isn't going to start doing now

.Zoro looks like he is more support and it won't mean much getting a cut in already injured area like Scabbards did for him, so it take away his feat even if he tries to cut him. He won't surpass an former Roger Pirate in one arc and it takes time. Not stating he won't surpass, but he isn't doing it in this timeframe your pushing on. Just saying to you to estimate not overestimate on the situation.

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Yep. Also didn't Goldb told you to stop interacting here?

This doesn't look good at all. Wano, the arc of the samurais a place where a swordsman should shine yet he doesn't look like he will. Basically anything that he might do It won't be a very high feat wich is sad and a little bit dissapointing. And to be honest I don't see a swordman acting like a support. Even Law could be a better support than Zoro. It's like going in a game and calling the main fighter of the game a support. Zoro is basically the fighter of the Strawhats. So... Unless Oda has a surprise for us, Zoro's participation in this arc is going to be pretty much dissapointing to say the least.

 

[King Moe]

This doesn't look good at all. Wano, the arc of the samurais a place where a swordsman should shine yet he doesn't look like he will. Basically anything that he might do It won't be a very high feat wich is sad and a little bit dissapointing. And to be honest I don't see a swordman acting like a support. Even Law could be a better support than Zoro. It's like going in a game and calling the main fighter of the game a support. Zoro is basically the fighter of the Strawhats. So... Unless Oda has a surprise for us Zoro's participation in this arc is going to be pretty much dissapointing to say the least.

Oda never said though 'this arc is all about Zoro', so nothing to push forward to state he be outshined a lot especially over Luffy which isn't going to happen. Lol Law is going do more damage than Zoro overall, Zoro is fitting on support line as he should be. Also kinda means nothing on the role as everyone can fight, not just Zoro. Zoro will lend in, but not overall as Luffy, Kidd, and Law will be.

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I was never told to stay away.

I was told to stay away from you but you're the one who keeps quoting me.

Seems like your quoting me above though. Let's just agree to stop quoting each other then and move on. Do you agree?

 

[mattey245]

Oda never said though 'this arc is all about Zoro', so nothing to push forward to state he be outshined a lot especially over Luffy which isn't going to happen. Lol Law is going do more damage than Zoro overall, Zoro is fitting on support line as he should be. Also kinda means nothing on the role as everyone can fight, not just Zoro. Zoro will lend in, but not overall as Luffy, Kidd, and Law will be.

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Seems like your quoting me above though. Let's just agree to stop quoting each other then and move on. Do you agree?

Do you think Law is going to gamma knife Kaido or something like that? I don't see it and again a Swordsman acting like a support is dumb. Is like putting a sniper in the front line. I never said that Oda said that this is Zoro's arc I just said that it's literally the country of swordsman with Zoro being one. If he doesn't shine in a place that is pretty much "made" for him when is he going to do so?

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Agree, going to block you as well. Let's get back on track on this thread. Sorry mods for conversation here.

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It's Ramen, he always like this, sorry for that, Matt.

Don't worry, as I said, it isn't my problem at all.

 

[King Moe]

Do you think Law is going to gamma knife Kaido or something like that? I don't see it and again a Swordsman acting like a support is dumb. Is like putting a sniper in the front line. I never said that Oda said that this is Zoro's arc I just said that it's literally the country of swordsman with Zoro being one. If he doesn't shine in a place that is pretty much "made" for him when is he going to do so?

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Don't worry, as I said, it isn't my problem at all.

He can probably as his powers can go through Kaido's scales along adding Haki on there. Zoro has been support before, why would he wouldn't again? Make sense since Luffy will get most spotlight in the fight along with Kidd and Law. Zoro will shine, but not overtaking the Yonkos at all. He has best bet with facing YC right now.

 

[mattey245]

He can probably as his powers can go through Kaido's scales along adding Haki on there. Zoro has been support before, why would he wouldn't again? Make sense since Luffy will get most spotlight in the fight along with Kidd and Law. Zoro will shine, but not overtaking the Yonkos at all. He has best bet with facing YC right now.

I understand Kidd involving himself on this fight. But why Law? And it's said that his ability can't cut what he can't cut with his sword.

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He can probably as his powers can go through Kaido's scales along adding Haki on there. Zoro has been support before, why would he wouldn't again? Make sense since Luffy will get most spotlight in the fight along with Kidd and Law. Zoro will shine, but not overtaking the Yonkos at all. He has best bet with facing YC right now.

This is basically going to be Zoro standing in the background watching how the others do the job.

 

[King Moe]

I understand Kidd involving himself on this fight. But why Law? And it's said that his ability can't cut what he can't cut with his sword.

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This is basically going to be Zoro standing in the background watching how the others do the job.

Did he ever said as he can cut a lot of things with that ability from what we seen.

Not in background, but he will be support as Killer is and do get their moments, but not overall.

 

[mattey245]

Did he ever said as he can cut a lot of things with that ability from what we seen.

Not in background, but he will be support as Killer is and do get their moments, but not overall.

I still don't see him as a support tho. Overall the fight is going to be awesome but Zoro's participation is going to be rather dissapointing. Whatever he does won't impress no one. Since it will be either something that even Kinemon did, or a copy paste from Oden. It's time to drop a big F.

 

[King Moe]

I still don't see him as a support tho. Overall the fight is going to be awesome but Zoro's participation is going to be rather dissapointing. Whatever he does won't impress no one. Since it will be either something that even Kinemon did, or a copy paste from Oden. It's time to drop a big F.

I mean it was already disappointing he couldn't solo Apoo and needed help with Drake and if he isn't facing even single YC, then kinda underwhelming that is it for him as even if he gets attack on Yonko, doesn't push much narrative since we know he won't defeat Yonkos especially Kaido since that is more Luffy.

That why I am saying if he hits same area that Scabbards open up for him, it won't mean much since it already open wound from previous cut. Though can make sense given he still developing so surpassing an Roger Crewmate won't make sense in one arc.

 

[mattey245]

I mean it was already disappointing he couldn't solo Apoo and needed help with Drake and if he isn't facing even single YC, then kinda underwhelming that is it for him as even if he gets attack on Yonko, doesn't push much narrative since we know he won't defeat Yonkos especially Kaido since that is more Luffy.

That why I am saying if he hits same area that Scabbards open up for him, it won't mean much since it already open wound from previous cut. Though can make sense given he still developing so surpassing an Roger Crewmate won't make sense in one arc.

This can basically end in three maybe four ways. Zoro doing nothing, Zoro cutting him Wich Kinemon alr did so it wouldn't surprise anyone. Make him a scar, wich won't surprise anyone because it would be taken as a copy paste from Oden and finally killing Kaido. If he kills a weakened Kaido it will be dissapointing as well and it would basically show no feat at all. The only thing that we can trust is Oda. I just hope that he didn't bring Zoro up with the Yonko's just to sit there doing nothing. If that's Oda's plan he should've let Zoro fighting with King.

 

[King Moe]

This can basically end in three maybe four ways. Zoro doing nothing, Zoro cutting him Wich Kinemon alr did so it wouldn't surprise anyone. Make him a scar, wich won't surprise anyone because it would be taken as a copy paste from Oden and finally killing Kaido. If he kills a weakened Kaido it will be dissapointing as well and it would basically show no feat at all. The only thing that we can trust is Oda. I just hope that he didn't bring Zoro up with the Yonko's just to sit there doing nothing. If that's Oda's plan he should've let Zoro fighting with King.

We have wait and see, but think he be use as hype tool overall to this fight as Act isn't over and we have yet to reach last Act yet. If they facing Yonkos this early, then they won't be defeated and probably will win the first bout before leading to Luffy vs Kaido as true final fight or at least Luffy, Kidd, and Law to Kaido.

I think Zoro could face YC lvl to redeem his performance if they all show up there, but have to see where it goes.

 

[mattey245]

We have wait and see, but think he be use as hype tool overall to this fight as Act isn't over and we have yet to reach last Act yet. If they facing Yonkos this early, then they won't be defeated and probably will win the first bout before leading to Luffy vs Kaido as true final fight or at least Luffy, Kidd, and Law to Kaido.

I think Zoro could face YC lvl to redeem his performance if they all show up there, but have to see where it goes.

Why would you bring Zoro up then? If your principal idea was to let Zoro face up a YC why don't you let him down fighting King? I think Zoro would shine more if he does a 1v1 against King than if he cuts or wounds Kaido.

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We have wait and see, but think he be use as hype tool overall to this fight as Act isn't over and we have yet to reach last Act yet. If they facing Yonkos this early, then they won't be defeated and probably will win the first bout before leading to Luffy vs Kaido as true final fight or at least Luffy, Kidd, and Law to Kaido.

I think Zoro could face YC lvl to redeem his performance if they all show up there, but have to see where it goes.

As you said, the only thing we can do as of right now is to wait and see what Oda does with this manga. At least the hype Is fucking real.

 

[afromarco005]

Zoro couldn't even stop his Birdcage at all and neither was Hawkins and yet he still damage by him. Bandana isn't his power-up so whether he wears it or not, doesn't mean much nor using 3 swords as he is equal on all styles on skill. Nothing shows he is above Law all and beating Pica over Doflamingo is laughable thing to see. Nothing to proof Zoro above at all especially he faced in timeskip.

Give me enemies he face in battles he killed that isn't fodder as he kill absolutely no one in his fights for a long time and isn't going to start doing now

.Zoro looks like he is more support and it won't mean much getting a cut in already injured area like Scabbards did for him, so it take away his feat even if he tries to cut him. He won't surpass an former Roger Pirate in one arc and it takes time. Not stating he won't surpass, but he isn't doing it in this timeframe your pushing on. Just saying to you to estimate not overestimate on the situation.

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Yep. Also didn't Goldb told you to stop interacting here?

An admiral couldnt stop birdcage either. ZKK is real.

 

[M3J]

I still say Kaidou destroys Zoro, given Kaidou can take beatings on beatings and has the strength to one-shot probably one of the most durable characters in the series (even if Luffy wasn't knocked out).

 

[King Moe]

An admiral couldnt stop birdcage either. ZKK is real.

After recent chapters, it's not. Stop with debunked theories.

Also Kaido one-shot Zoro. He can't beat Kaido at all if Law is reason he moves around.

 

[afromarco005]

After recent chapters, it's not. Stop with debunked theories.

Also Kaido one-shot Zoro. He can't beat Kaido at all if Law is reason he moves around.

Stop with the downplaying it wasnt a "one shot".