Discussion Subcategories of Nen Abilities (What's next?)

[Uriel]

Introduction
So...we all know the hexagram. But Togashi introduced a fun concept on top of what we know: subcategories (Chapter 375). Subcategories are not types of Nen, just types of techniques of Nen. They don't depend (or at least it seems this way) on the Hatsu. All of them are introduced with the word gata (type) at the end. Names and translations may vary depending on where did you read it.

These subcategories can coexist with each other. For example, the Bombers were a Curse-Collaborative kind of Nen. And Greed Island was formed with...well, I assume all.
And I believe there is way more to say about this...What about those techniques that mess with Nen-spaces? Knov and Luini for example. What about Morel and Melody, what subcategories are them? I doubt they fall into nothing as their techniques are far from basic stuff. Gon, on the other hand, seems that fall into no subcategory as his technique is quite simple. Same as Killua and Hisoka. Do they have a category anyway or Hastu definition is sufficient?

Current Subcategories
These are all we know so far:

1. Coercive: Total control of the target. A notable example is Illumi or Shalnark.
2. Pseudo-coercive: Leaves no choice to the target but to do whatever condition was imposed.
3. Collaborative: Using someone else to activate an ability. Tsubone comes to mind.
4. Soliciting: Nen that allows free will of the target but leaves a condition that works in favor of the target.
5. Symbiotic: Requires multiple people to perform a particular part of the technique, so the result is greater than the sum of parts.
   1. Fellowship: When it acts in a whole group instead of a particular target. Morena Prude is a good example.
6. Compound: Not so many details on this one, but I believe that refers to overly ruled techniques that allow multiple effects.
7. Counteractive: Nen's reaction to something else. If you ask me, Nobunaga seems this kind as well, as He's always waiting for the enemy to react to his en.
8. Curse: The one we know the most about it. Kurapika, Knuckle, etc. Meet the condition and suffer the curse.
9. Haunting: This seems to be a particular type of Curse, with its more relevant property is to be after death. (Page 16 of 389)
10. Parasitic: Conjured beings of Nen that works similar to Curses, but not necessarily prejudicial. We know of this type through the Seed Urn effects.
11. Scatter-Gather: Also known as Diffusive Levy (Wiki) but I like this name more. The idea is to scatter your aura to gather later. This can be tricky but besides Tyson, the other one that does this is Shaiapuf (His Spiritual Message and Beelzebub fits this concept).
12. Exorcism: Removal of Nen. Notable users are Abengane. I wonder if this could also apply for users who can counter Coercive type of techniques
13. Induction: Nen that allows people to have a bias for the target. Sale-sale is the main user for this, but Tyson technique also fits here.
14. Loan: You lend someone a technique. I'm not sure if Leol would also fit here, as He coerces others to lend them their ability.
15. Nen Beast: Nen constructs with different effects. This particular type may be broader, we will attempt to classify this a bit more later
16. Double: The most boring of all Nen techniques, making a double out of someone. Kastro and Hanzo are notable users.
17. Supportive: Nen that is used to buff others. Besides our boy Bill, I believe that Illumi's special needles fits here as well or Meleoron Perfect Plan.

Reorganizing
So, let's first better group the subcategories. Notice that I will add some concepts and I'm making TONS of assumptions, so feel free to add or reinterpret this as you see fit. I made this because I'm bored, and Nen classification is fun (?).

1. Control Type (Not Manipulation, as this implies controlling someone else and not an object)
   1. Coercive
   2. Pseudo-coercive
   3. Induction
2. Community Type (Nen that depends or can be used on more than the original user)
   1. Collaborative
   2. Soliciting
   3. Symbiotic
      1. Fellowship
   4. Supportive
3. Legal Type (Nen that depends on conditions, limits, and bows)
   1. Compound
   2. Counteractive
   3. Exorcism (Mostly put this here as it's always dependant on rules and the number of rules to be fulfilled seems to change with the curse to be removed)
4. Curse Type
   1. Haunting
   2. Parasitic
5. Absorb Type (You keep the target abilities. Think of Meruem, Chrollo, and Kurapika)
   1. Loan/Transfer (I add the transfer term here, as I believe fits better. Also, Benjamin owns technique may fall under this)
   2. Steal (Chrollo and Meruem)
   3. Clone (Here is a long stretch, but I believe that Ging is able to clone techniques by understanding them)
6. Nen Construct (Changed over Beast, so it's more general)
   1. Double
   2. Predictable: It's always the same (Think Razor, Neferpitou, Goreinu, Biscuit, Neon, etc) and always have the same effect.
   3. Adaptable: Its shape and power will depend on the target. Seed urn and Abengane fits here. It's context dependant.
   4. Scatter-Gathered (Put here as we only know this technique through the usage of nen beasts). A particular kind of nen beast able to disperse to activate its effects.

Possible new types

So what about Morel, Melody, Knov? Or even Franklin. So, maybe we can add some more types! Join the discussion and propose your own!

Combat Type: User manifest a weapon-like object, either as a separate entity or imbued on target's body. Think on Kurapika Chains, Franklin Bullets, or Kite multiple weapon. MAYBE Killua lighting, but I'm unsure about it. The goal of this particular type is to use Nen focused on combat (as its main goal, we saw that you can fight with everything in HxH) We could also talk about separate categories:
- Close Combat Type: MAYBE Jajanken? Or Killua Thunder God.
- Range Combat: Franklin Bullets FTW.

Spatial Type: User can create/travel trough/use a Nen-made space. Notable users are Knov, Cheetu.

 

[Demonspeed]

I haven't read everything but Biscuit(or Kurapika, I am not sure) said that spatial abilities are Conjuration or Emission abilities IIRC.

 

[Uriel]

I haven't read everything but Biscuit(or Kurapika, I am not sure) said that spatial abilities are Conjuration or Emission abilities IIRC.

I think it's always mostly that case, but what happens with Specialization? Can you use Enhancer in a particular space to work in your favor? Would that be Manipulation or Enhancement?
I feel like it deserves to be its own subcategory as Hastu may vary and it's easy to detect spatial abilities. There was also this boxer in Greed Island that used a particular Nen writing to be able to use his technique.

 

[Demonspeed]

I think it's always mostly that case, but what happens with Specialization? Can you use Enhancer in a particular space to work in your favor? Would that be Manipulation or Enhancement?
I feel like it deserves to be its own subcategory as Hastu may vary and it's easy to detect spatial abilities. There was also this boxer in Greed Island that used a particular Nen writing to be able to use his technique.

Specialization can probably fit everywhere since it's pretty much "Anything which doesn't belong to the 5 other categories". I can't think of a way for Enhancement to affect space by itself.

The boxer was stated to be an Emitter. As for the writing it was needed because he was too weak.

 

[Uriel]

Specialization can probably fit everywhere since it's pretty much "Anything which doesn't belong to the 5 other categories". I can't think of a way for Enhancement to affect space by itself.

The boxer was stated to be an Emitter. As for the writing it was needed because he was too weak.

Well, space could be Enhanced to enhance yourself. There was this guy in Yu-Yu Hakusho who imposed to talk without using some characters that IIRC also made that you can't fight there. So I imagine Togashi thought on how Nen affected space as well, enhance it is not too farfetched.

Still, even if it belongs to a single category does not imply not be part of a subcategory.

PS: Read the whole thing so you can help me to better organize subcategories and add our own

 

[Diivil]

My opinion is that before the exploration of the Dark Continent begins, we will have been fully introduced to the Hatsu principles:

subcategories (Chapter 375). Subcategories are not types of Nen, just type of techniques of Nen.

They don't depend (or at least it seems this way) on the hatsu.
All of them are introduced with the word gata (type) at the end.

All to prepare us for the complex use of Hatsu that we'll be seeing.

Absorb Type (You keep the target abilities. Think on Meruem, Chrollo and Kurapika)

1. Loan/Transfer (I add the transfer term here, as I believe fits better. Also, Benjamin owns technique may fall under this)
2. Steal (Chrollo and Meruem)
3. Clone (Here is a long stretch, but I believe that Ging is able to clone techniques by understanding them)

Hmm, my opinion is that there's only 2 kinds of Absorb type Nen:

Loan Type (take the aura of the target and lend it to someone else)
The Nen type & "aura strength" of the target is used.

• perfect for lending pure emission & enhancer abilities, unlike the steal type.
• Kurapika.

Steal Type (using manipulation, conditionally seal the target's Nen and copy the desired ability)
The Nen type & "aura strength" of the user is used.

• Since it's the user's specialization Nen type that is used to activate the ability, stealing pure emission & enhancer abilities might not be as effective.
• Chrollo, Leol, Benjamin.

1. Clone (Here is a long stretch, but I believe that Ging is able to clone techniques by understanding them)

Ging and Chrollo are very similar in their view of Nen abilities.

They don't try to just simply understand the ability,
they attempt to fully put themselves in the mind of the user.

I think this mindset, combined with his natural talent, is what allows him to copy simple striking abilities.

Spoiler: comparaison panels

1. Coercive: Total control of target. Notable example is Illumi or Shalnark.
2. Pseudo-coercive: Leaves no choice to the target but to do whatever condition was imposed.

One thing that I noticed is the biggest difference between these two.

Most coercive manipulaters have to penetrate the Nen guard AND physical guard of their target, while only using a weapon smaller then a pocket knife
(needles in the majority of cases)

So once their attack lands, meaning they bypassed your body's defense, game over.

They are strong enough to penetrate your defense using only a small weapon. That's the condition most manipulators employ in order to exert total control.

1. Pseudo-coercive: Leaves no choice to the target but to do whatever condition was imposed.

Meanwhile for pseudo-coercive types, they can activate their abilities through a variety of means, like touch.

You can break their control, but you need strong mental fortitude to prevent yourself from acting.

Baise's manipulation of her targets sexual attraction towards herself, with enough mental strength you can stop yourself from yielding to her commands.

Momoze's Nen beast, I believe that with enough mental strength you can stop yourself from following the beast's order.

For example Order Stamp:
When it's used to control a human copy, the control is pseudo-coercive.

Spoiler

Ask them to break: they simply deactivate the puppet, by removing the head.

Ask them to kill: They can outright refuse based on their personalities.

Other tasks: I believe the same applies as when asked to kill, depending on the ordered task and the personality of the copied person, they can outright refuse.

Kinda off topic but I found it interesting:

Most manipulators we have seen can only get full control of a living being by overpowering the target's defense with an extremely small weapon.

Other manipulators attempt to get control of a living being by overpowering the target's mental fortitude.

So what about Morel, Melody, Knov? Or even Franklin. So, maybe we can add some more types!

Melody: Induction control type?
(suggestions on what mood/emotions the target need to focus on)

Morel & Franklin: Basic Nen types?
(emit, transmute, control)

Knov/Fugetsu:

Spatial Type: User can create/travel trough/use a Nen-made space. Notable users are Knov, Cheetu.

Emitters can move space itself, but for now we should make it a sub-category of the Spatial Type.

Maybe we can add some more types! Join the discussion and propose your own!

What kind of Hatsu principles do these abilities use?

Lovely Ghost writer
Ability to locate people(Luppe Highland)
Palm's search function divination ability
Tserriednich's foresight manipulation ability

Spoiler

• Future Sight type
• Long Distance Aura Interaction type
• Future Manipulation(perception) type

Are every organisms somehow connected, through life energy?

Is that why you can have an ability to locate people you have never met, nor ever seen before?
(Palm finding Bisky)

 

[Uriel]

We've been taught 11 Nen principles:
My opinion is that before the exploration of the Dark Continent begins, we will have been fully introduced to the Hatsu principles:
All to prepare us for the complex use of Hatsu that we'll be seeing.

Interesting, what do you mean by Hatsu Principles?

Hmm, my opinion is that there's only 2 kinds of Absorb type Nen:
Loan Type (take the aura of the target and lend it to someone else)
The Nen type & "aura strength" of the target is used.

• perfect for lending pure emission & enhancer abilities, unlike the steal type.
• Kurapika.

Steal Type (using manipulation, conditionally seal the target's Nen and copy the desired ability)
The Nen type & "aura strength" of the user is used.

• Since it's the user's specialization Nen type that is used to activate the ability, stealing pure emission & enhancer abilities might not be as effective.
• Chrollo, Leol, Benjamin.

I like this differentiation being made with Emission and Enhancer abilities, you're quite on point on this.

Ging and Chrollo are very similar in their view of Nen abilities. They don't try to just simply understand the ability, they attempt to fully put themselves in the mind of the user. I think this mindset, combined with his natural talent, is what allows him to copy simple striking abilities.

While I do agree their view on Nen is very very similar, Ging is not stealing the technique, he replicates it. Not only that, but He's able to go further with it. This is kinda different than Chrollo, who is also limited by the view of the original user. In a sense, Ging can clone something and work from it and Chrollo simply steals it. That's why I put it in a different subcategory because what you can do after is the main difference between the two.
Clone might not be the best wording tho.

One thing that I noticed is the biggest difference between these two.
Most coercive manipulaters have to penetrate the Nen guard AND physical guard of their target, while only using a weapon smaller then a pocket knife
(needles in the majority of cases)
So once their attack lands, meaning they bypassed your body's defense, game over.
They are strong enough to penetrate your defense using only a small weapon. That's the condition most manipulators employ in order to exert total control.

This is interesting. I need to see coercive types against other Nen users. The closest case we have is Killua needle, which worked more as an inductive type of Nen.
All the cases that we saw of total control were against people without the knowledge of Nen, which makes bypassing defense kind of easy.

Meanwhile for pseudo-coercive types, they can activate their abilities through a variety of means, like touch.
You can break their control, but you need strong mental fortitude to prevent yourself from acting.
Baise's manipulation of her targets sexual attraction towards herself, with enough mental strength you can stop yourself from yielding to her commands.
Momoze's Nen beast, I believe that with enough mental strength you can stop yourself from following the beast's order.

I would say Baise is more a Coercive type rather than pseudo. But we didn't see her enough to determine that And I'm not sure if Will is enough. At the same time, I doubt Meruem would have fallen under the effects of any coercive or pseudo-coercive techniques. Or Tserrendeich, for that matter.

This is just an opinion, but I find Coercive and Pseudo-Coercive techniques to be boring AF. Or Doubles. WHY WOULD ANYONE HAVE A TECHNIQUE THAT BORING.

Melody: Induction control type? (suggestions on what mood/emotions the target need to focus on)

Seems correct, actually. It doesn't force the user but induces a mood.

Morel & Franklin: Basic Nen types? (emit, transmute, control)

I like that we have a Basic type. It allows us to have a "bag" in which we can throw things like Jajanken.

Knov/Fugetsu: Emitters can move space itself, but for now we should make it a sub-category of the Spatial Type.

According to the wiki, Knov is Conjuration.

What kind of Hatsu principles do these abilities use?

Lovely Ghost writer
Ability to locate people(Luppe Highland)
Palm's search function divination ability
Tserriednich's foresight manipulation ability

• Future Sight type
• Long Distance Aura Interaction type
• Future Manipulation(perception) type

Are every organisms somehow connected, through life energy?

Is that why you can have an ability to locate people you have never met, nor ever seen before?
(Palm finding Bisky)

We could group them as Divination Type. This also allows us to put techniques like Pakunoda as well. The effect varies from technique to technique but essentially gives the user information that was not known before after meeting some conditions. This information can be the future, memories, location, etc.

 

[Diivil]

This is just an opinion, but I find Coercive and Pseudo-Coercive techniques to be boring AF. Or Doubles. WHY WOULD ANYONE HAVE A TECHNIQUE THAT BORING.

Its the creators of those abilities that I find boring.
They don't care at all about people "not on their side."
That says a lot about the personality of those users.
They view most people they "don't like" as pawns to use.

That's why I find Shalnark to be the most heartless member of the Phantom Troupe. Every other member feels some type of emotions when they directly or indirectly kill, whether it'd be satisfaction, pride, sense of duty, etc... Like for example Uvogin, despite claiming that "nothing really" goes through his mind when killing innocent people, he subsequently goes on to say that he finds killing addictive and gets the most pleasure when denying and killing people who come in search of revenge.

Shalnark on the other hand, feels absolutely nothing when he kills. He's like the spoiled rich child who discards his favorite toy the moment it breaks and immediately goes to buy another toy. He's like a person who, regardless of the job or the task given to them, feels no emotions or personal bias, only doing as they were told.

According to the wiki, Knov is Conjuration.

I was just chiming in about the categorization of Spatial abilities:

• Spatial Type(space creation==> occupy/travel through)
• Spatial Type(translocation===> move space or people)

We could group them as Divination Type. This also allows us to put techniques like Pakunoda as well. The effect varies from technique to technique but essentially gives the user information that was not known before after meeting some conditions

That's great, perfectly encapsulates all those different techniques.



Small distinction between these two:

Collaborative: [Using] someone else to activate an ability. Tsubone comes to mind.

• Collaborative: Using==> [Requires] someone.

Tsubone can't drive the vehicles by herself.
Genthru can't release the bombs by himself.
Tubeppa can't activate her Nen Beast by herself.
Halkenburg can't activate his possession Arrow by himself.

Symbiotic: [Requires] multiple people to perform a particular part of the technique, so the result is greater than the sum of parts.

• Symbiotic: Requires==> [Using] multiple.

Golem could shoot his guns himself, but his aura would be weak.
Halkenburg doesn't require followers, but his aura would be weak.

 

[XXGenesis]

These subcategories are the subcategories of the Nen types. I wouldn’t call them new, but rather explicit details on how each nen type has different varying applications & usage. As to why if you aren’t from that class, mastering such skills are impossible and you will reach a limit no matter what; compared to someone actually from that class is uninhibited

Also forming an Hatsu you can apply more than 1 application of a Nen type....I.e these subcategories to form your will & desire aka your hatsu.

All in All. I love Nen because after multiple examinations of the series it’s the best power supernatural power system I ever read.

From it’s suppose to take years to train & develop aura capacity, potency, flow, understanding & developing a hatsu, analyzing & understanding other Nen schools function in case of a VS..

Manipulators, Conjuring, Emission All are hella tricky ass Nen types. As anything can happen or possibly be created..Not anything but some weird ass abilities can be born

So I don’t believe all these new strong hats I’d we are seeing are new. Just over developed Nen abilities lol by Togashi. Where they are mature complex abilities or designed with specific intent. Mixed with multiple Nen class in a almost perfect blend.

As for Specialization. It doesn’t even have to fall in any of the Nen types. It’s broken & OP.

 

[Diivil]

As to why if you aren’t from that class, mastering such skills are impossible and you will reach a limit no matter what; compared to someone actually from that class is uninhibited.

Also forming an Hatsu you can apply more than 1 application of a Nen type....I.e these subcategories to form your will & desire aka your hatsu.

Enhancers show this principal very well:
If you're going to incorporate multiple Nen types into your ability, try to only use the basic application of the Nen types, otherwise you're severely handicapping your true potential.

Like for example:

[Enhancer] - [Compound] Type (JaJanken)==> Gon Freecs

• Basic Type - Enhancement (Rock)
• Basic Type - Enhancement, Transmutation (Scissors)
• Basic Type - Enhancement, Emission (Paper)

[Enhancer] - [Compound] Type (Guanyin Bodhisattva)==> Netero

• Construct Type - Manip, Emit, Conjure (1st to 99th)
• Construct type - Manip, Emit, Conjure, Transmute (0 hand)

Enhancement - Basic Type (Big Bang Impact)==> Uvogin


Enhancement - Basic Type (Tiger Bite Fist)==> Kastro
[Enhancer] - [Double] Type (Double)==> Kastro


[Enhancer] - [Divination] Type (Cute Mermaid)==> Human Palm

Kastro tried to incorporate the [Double Type] into his Hatsu, without using any Vows and Limitations, even though he's an Enhancer. The result wasn't good, at all.

Human Palm focused her Hatsu mostly on the [Divination Type] despite being an Enhancer. The result wasn't as bad as Kastro's, because of the small limitations she used, and since her ability wasn't made for combat, it was easier to maintain.
(Search Divination And tracking of people her right eye has seen)

But once she was reborn as a Chimera Ants, she realized that she
was wrong about her powers, it didn't fully match her personality.
I don't think Palm uses the (searching into the past of people)
[Divination Type] anymore, instead, her Hatsu was modified:

Enhancement: Hair growth + strengthening.
Manipulation: Hair armor.
Manipulation: Looking at someone with her right eye.
Emission: Gathering information from the manipulated.
The real object became palm herself, requiring no more blood.

Manipulators, Conjuring, Emission All are hella tricky ass Nen types. As anything can happen or possibly be created..Not anything but some weird ass abilities can be born

Some Emitters & Transmuters, and most Conjurers & Manipulators are encouraged to use multiple advanced Nen types, in order to properly take advantage of their potential.

So about 2 possible cases if you want to incorporate advanced Hastu principles in your ability:

1. Have a lot of aura and master all the required categories as best as you can.

2. Employ Vows and Limitations, to improve your ability.

Like for example:

[Conjurer] - [Compound] Type (5 Chains)==> Kurapika

• Soliciting Type (Judgement. Chain)
• Divination Type (Dowsing Chain)
• Coercive Type (Chain Jail)
• Absorb Type (Steal Chain)
• Basic Type (Holy Chain)

[Specialist] - [Copy] Type (Bandit's Secret)==> Chrollo Lucifer


[Specialist] - [Divination] Type (Lovely Ghostwriter)==> Neon


Transmutation, Emission - Basic Type (Aura Blast)==> Zeno
Transmute, Manipulate, Emit - Construct Type (Dragon Head)==> Zeno

As for Specialization. It doesn’t even have to fall in any of the Nen types. It’s broken & OP.

Nen is a product of life energy. The effects of 5 categories can be replicated by anyone, except for the specialist category. Why is that?

Is it because specialist are above normal humans? That's not the case, because anyone can become a specialist based on their life experiences.


In my opinion: Specialization isn't a real category, rather, it's a state.

What makes specialists different from other Nen users is their affinity for, or rather, the efficiency with which they can create extremely complex abilities.

The ease with which they can seemingly combine multiple Nen Types at an extremely high level.

The 5 Nen Types can be used by anyone, but a specialist can combine any of those 5 Nen Types at an absurd level:

Transmutation - aura shape control - dynamic En shape

Emit, Manipulate, Conjure, Transmute, Enhance==> (Dr. Blythe)

Manipulation, Conjuration, Enhancement==> (Terpischora)

Emission, Manipulation, Conjuration==> (Puppets)

Conjuration, Manipulation, Enhancement==> (Holy Chain)

Emission, Manipulation, Conjuration==> (Judgment Chain)

Emission, Manipulation, Conjuration==> (Dowsing Chain)

Emission, Manipulation, Conjuration==> (Steal Chain)

Conjuration, Manipulation==> (Chain Jail)

 

[XXGenesis]

Enhancers show this principal very well:
If you're going to incorporate multiple Nen types into your ability, try to only use the basic application of the Nen types, otherwise you're severely handicapping your true potential.

Kastro tried to incorporate the [Double Type] into his Hatsu, even though he's an Enhancer. The result wasn't good, at all.

Human Palm focused her Hatsu mostly on the [Divination Type] despite being an Enhancer. The result wasn't as bad as Kastro's, since her ability wasn't made for combat, it's easier to maintain.
(Search Divination And tracking of people her right eye has seen)

But once she was reborn as a Chimera Ants, she realized that she was wrong about her powers. I don't think the new Palm uses the [Divination Type] anymore, instead her ability was modified to only employ 3 basic types:

Enhancement: Hair growth + strengthening.
Manipulation: Looking at someone with her right eye.
Emission: Gathering information from the manipulated.
The real object became palm herself, requiring no more blood.

Spoiler: Pics of Palm's change

Manipulators, Emitters, some Transmuters, and most Conjurers, are encouraged to use multiple advanced Nen types, in order to properly take advantage of their potential.

So about 2 possible cases if you want to incorporate advanced Hastu principles in your ability:

1. Have a lot of aura and master all the required categories as best as you can.

2. Employ Vows and Restrictions, to bypass your lack of mastery in the required categories.






Nen is a product of life energy. The effects of 5 categories can be replicated by anyone, except for the specialist category. Why is that?

Is it because specialist are above normal humans? That's not the case, because anyone can become a specialist based on their life experiences.


My opinion: Specialization is not actually a real "category"

What makes specialist different from other Nen users is their affinity for, or rather, the efficiency with which they can create extremely complex abilities.

The ease with which they can seemingly combine multiple Nen Types at an extremely high level.

The 5 Nen Types can be used by anyone, but a specialist can combine any of those 5 Nen Types at an absurd level:

Holy Shit!! We actually agree on something!!!

props to you & others who have fresher memories or done research in these subcategories/principles of the 5 Nen Classes. It’s too much to remember all of it

Specialization. Is it’s own category. It doesn’t have to follow any of the rules of the other classes. It can be a combination of all of them or just something odd and different............It’s completely broken with few limits unlike the other classes

 

[Diivil]

Holy Shit!! We actually agree on something!!!

props to you & others who have fresher memories or done research in these subcategories/principles of the 5 Nen Classes.

I'm glad we agree and thank you, thank you!

Specialization. Is it’s own category. It doesn’t have to follow any of the rules of the other classes.

just something odd and different............It’s completely broken with few limits unlike the other classes

We haven't seen any specialist ability that "breaks" the rules of Nen:

• If 5 different Nen masters use the [Symbiotic Type] could they create/replicate the effects of Kurapika's 5 Chains?
• If Kurapika had an insane amount of aura, could he create/replicate Greed Island by himself?

We also haven't seen an individual manipulator, conjurer, or emitter, that can combine those 3 types at the same level/efficiency as Pakunoda:

• Manipulators can affect memories.
• Emitters can gather and share info (even from people's soul)
• Conjurers can create almost anything.

None of them, individually, can match Pakunoda's mastery:

• [Manipulation] of the memories of anything she touches.
• [Conjuration] and [Emission] of those memories.

 

[Uriel]

So let's review the changes made (I kinda like having everything classified, sorry)

1. Absorb: Integrates target's ability.
   1. Loan/Transfer Transfer to target an ability. ie: Kurapika, Benjamin
   2. Steal/Copy Either clone or take the target's ability/es. ie: Chrollo and Meruem
2. Basic: Direct implementation of the five schools of Hatsu. Common with Enhancers, Emission, and Transmutation users.
3. Control: Impose users' will to the target
   1. Coercive: Total control of the target. ie: Illumi, Shalnark, Kurapika's Jail Chain
   2. Pseudo-coercive: Leaves no choice to the target but to do whatever condition was imposed ie: Kurapika's Judgement Chain
   3. Induction: Impose a bias on the target. ie: Sale-sale, Tyson
   4. Soliciting: Allows free will of the target but leaves a condition that works in favor of the target ie: Halkenburg's Feathers
4. Community: Depends or can be used with/on more than the original user
   1. Collaborative: Requires someone else to activate an ability. ie: Tsubone, Genthru's Countdown
   2. Symbiotic: Uses multiple people to perform a particular part of the technique, so the result is greater than the sum of parts ie: Halkenburg Possession Arrow
      1. Fellowship: When it acts in a whole group instead of a particular target. ie: Morena's Contaigion
   3. Supportive: Provides a buff to the target. ie: Bill, Meleoron's Perfect Plan
5. Compound: Techniques that allow multiple subcategories. ie: Kurapika chains (Divination, Basic, Coercive, Pseudo-Coercive and Loan Types)
6. Counteractive: Automatic reaction to a specific situation ie: Camille
7. Curse: Imposal of a condition or rules to activate an effect ie: Genthru's Countdown
   1. Haunting: Particular (and strong) type of Curse, with its more relevant property is to be after death. (Page 16 of 389)
   2. Parasitic: Conjured beings of Nen that works similar to Curses, but not necessarily prejudicial. We know of this type through the Seed Urn effects.
8. Divination: Provides information (not known before) to the target ie: Palm, Pakunoda
9. Exorcism: Removal of curse-types techniques. ie: Abengane
10. Nen Construct: Creation of a distinct Nen entity
    1. Double: The construct is a duplicate of the target. ie: Kastro
    2. Predictable: The construct's shape, power, and effect are non-dependant on the context. ie: Razor, Neferpitou, Goreinu, Biscuit, Neon
    3. Adaptable: The construct's shape, power, and effect are dependant on the context. ie: Seed Urn, Abengane
    4. Scatter-Gathered: The construct is able to spawn other constructs. ie: Tyson
11. Spatial: Nen that affects space/location of the target
    1. Space Creation: Either occupy or travel to a nen-made space. ie: Cheetu. Knov
    2. Translocation: Techniques that move or teleport targets. ie: "Accompany On", the technique Chrollo used to avoid in-fighting of Genei Ryodan, the boxer in Greed island

Changes:
* Removes Legal type, as Limit, Vows and Conditions are common and possible to all types for strengthening an effect or even achieve it.
* Modify wording and adding direct examples

So I don’t believe all these new strong hats I’d we are seeing are new. Just over developed Nen abilities lol by Togashi. Where they are mature complex abilities or designed with specific intent. Mixed with multiple Nen class in a almost perfect blend.

These terms help us understand better how Nen works. When I say new I refer to the concept.

Enhancers show this principal very well:
If you're going to incorporate multiple Nen types into your ability, try to only use the basic application of the Nen types, otherwise you're severely handicapping your true potential.

Exactly this. With this new concept, it's easier for us to see when a character is handicapping themselves. When we create new fan-nen techniques, we have more tools!

But once she was reborn as a Chimera Ants, she realized that she was wrong about her powers. I don't think the new Palm uses the [Divination Type] anymore, instead her ability was modified to only employ 3 basic types

Wink Blue is still Divination- It just has better conditions and limits (Limit: One Eye, Three Targets)

My opinion: Specialization is not actually a real "category"
What makes specialist different from other Nen users is their affinity for, or rather, the efficiency with which they can create extremely complex abilities.
The ease with which they can seemingly combine multiple Nen Types at an extremely high level.

This idea is also reinforced by Togashi saying that "Manipulators and Conjurers can become Specialist overtime" which are the two Hatsu that encourages more complex techniques (Which will lead to more subcategories being used)

 

[Diivil]

Exactly this. With this new concept, it's easier for us to see when a character is handicapping themselves. When we create new fan-nen techniques, we have more tools!

So let's review the changes made (I kinda like having everything classified, sorry)

Awesome work!! It looks great!!

Wink Blue is still Divination- It just has better conditions and limits (Limit: One Eye, Three Targets)

The Divination part was the ability to research into the past of the people manipulated. Wink Blue didn't change when she was reborn, it was always the right eye.

With palm herself becoming the mermaid, I think she was able to modify the ability to removed the [Search Divination] but kept Wink Blue.

Wink blue is similar to Secret Window, which I think only uses basic application of the Nen Types (although different combinations from Palm's of course)

 

[XXGenesis]

@Uriel
Agreed that terms help to organize & bring better understanding.

But don’t you think these subcategories only apply to certain Nen classes....Such as Control belonging to manipulation class & Nen Construct belonging to Emisson.

With a re-read I could help. But I guess I would like to see these sub-categories assigned to their Nen classes. To fully see how Nen applications from different classe are used to create a Hatsu.

 

[Uriel]

Awesome work!! It looks great!!

<3

The Divination part was the ability to research into the past of the people manipulated. Wink Blue didn't change when she was reborn, it was always the right eye.

With palm herself becoming the mermaid, I think she was able to modify the ability to removed the [Search Divination] but kept Wink Blue.

Wink blue is similar to Secret Window, which I think only uses basic application of the Nen Types (although different combinations from Palm's of course)

Ohh, I see, You're right.

@Uriel
Agreed that terms help to organize & bring better understanding.

But don’t you think these subcategories only apply to certain Nen classes....Such as Control belonging to manipulation class & Nen Construct belonging to Emisson.

Mmmm kinda.

It's true that manipulators tend to have coercive types of techniques, but you can achieve that through other Hatsus. Judgment Chain is a good example of that. Additionally, you have Manipulators who don't have coercive techniques like Morel.

Constructs can be made with either Emission or Conjuration, but we have users like Biscuit who uses a construct is a Transmuter (Using that Hatsu, but we are talking about techniques here, not users themselves)

The best way to understand this is to look at users as biased to certain Hatsu techniques, but the subcategories are not always tied into those and you can achieve that in different ways.

With a re-read I could help. But I guess I would like to see these sub-categories assigned to their Nen classes. To fully see how Nen applications from different classe are used to create a Hatsu.

I re-read a lot lately because I feel *in my veins* that the next 10 chapters of HxH are coming soon.

 

[XXGenesis]

It's true that manipulators tend to have coercive types of techniques, but you can achieve that through other Hatsus. Judgment Chain is a good example of that. Additionally, you have Manipulators who don't have coercive techniques like Morel.

Yes true. But what I’m referring to, like you mentioning terminology....Terminology we can agree on not to get consumed or semantical.

Gon is an Enhancer; but he can still use Manipulation Nen, however limited.

Coercion is a facet Manpulation Nen no matter what...As for forming a Hatsu that uses Manipulation....Coercion & Persuasion are some of the various subcategories or facilities of Manipulation Nen......

Constructs can be made with either Emission or Conjuration, but we have users like Biscuit who uses a construct is a Transmuter (Using that Hatsu, but we are talking about techniques here, not users themselves)

The best way to understand this is to look at users as biased to certain Hatsu techniques, but the subcategories are not always tied into those and you can achieve that in different ways.


I re-read a lot lately because I feel *in my veins* that the next 10 chapters of HxH are coming soon.

Ok. Now you are touching on what I’m talking about.

Im solely referring to Nen & not users.
but let’s use Biscuit as an Example of what I’m trying to say, & would love to help with it.

Biscuit is a Transmuter type. All this really means is 100%Transmuter, 40% manipulation , 60% everything else 0% specialization limit of Mastery/usage.

She’s uses a Hatsu of Conjuration which gives her/Transmuters 60%mastery/usage. It’s not a bad hatsu, being it’s not combat related. It’s her desired Will to be pampered n highly groomed.

What I’m referring to is that the subcategories belong to specific schools of Nen. Some subcategories may even fit into multiple Nen schools. But the subcategories are a deeper explanations & variations to create & use a hatsu, as you mix Nen types/schools for desired effect...

In starting my re read now. So I can help fit in the subcategories under their belonging school(s).

 

[Diivil]

This is an ability created by a random redditor on HatsuVault.

Compound Type (Encounter)
[Basic Type] [Transmutation]---> Shape=>aura | Modify=>aura
[Basic Type] [Emission]---> Mark=>target | Activate=>ability
[Transmutation]---> Momentum=>acceleration
[North]---> Modify=>Shape=>Mark=>Activate
[South]---> Modify=>Shape=>Mark=>Activate=>Momentum
A conjurer shouldn't try to recreate this, it wouldn't be efficient.

Could a manipulator recreate Encounter? Yes, absolutely.

But for an efficient ability, they need to use different combinations.

Kurapika could never hope to borrow Meruem's ability.
1) Break his aura defense.
2) Break his physical defense by sticking the syringe into him.
Pretty impossible I would say, even if Meruem was in Zetsu.

Leol can borrow Meruem's ability just from having a conversation.
He could also become a Nen teacher and manipulate his students.

Spoiler

Both abilities require manipulation, but the implementation differs.

Could a master manipulator recreate Steal Chain? Yes, possibly.

Could masters of the other 3 advanced type replicate Rental Pod?
The Vows and Restrictions required to make the ability work would make it unpractical/inefficient, even for a master Manipulator.

Combine Enhancement and the 4 advanced type however you want.
No matter what you create, it'll fall under one of the 11 categories:

Hatsu principles are very simply the categorization of Nen abilities.
Showing us the efficiency with which Nen users use their Nen Type.

 

[XXGenesis]

This is an ability created by a random redditor on HatsuVault.

Compound Type (Encounter)
[Basic Type] [Transmutation]---> Shape=>aura | Modify=>aura
[Basic Type] [Emission]---> Mark=>target | Activate=>ability
[Transmutation]---> Momentum=>acceleration

• [North]---> Modify=>Shape=>Mark=>Activate
• [South]---> Modify=>Shape=>Mark=>Activate=>Momentum

A conjurer shouldn't try to recreate this, it wouldn't be efficient.

Could a manipulator recreate Encounter? Yes, absolutely.

But for an efficient ability, they need to use different combinations.

Kurapika could never hope to borrow Meruem's ability.
1) Break his aura defense.
2) Break his physical defense by sticking the syringe into him.
Pretty impossible I would say, even if Meruem was in Zetsu.

Leol can borrow Meruem's ability just from having a conversation.
He could also become a Nen teacher and manipulate his students.

Spoiler

Both abilities require manipulation, but the implementation differs.

Could a master manipulator recreate Steal Chain? Yes, possibly.

Could masters of the other 3 advanced type replicate Rental Pod?
The Vows and Restrictions required to make the ability work would make it unpractical/inefficient, even for a master Manipulator.

Combine Enhancement and the 4 advanced type however you want.
No matter what you create, it'll fall under one of the 11 categories:

Hatsu principles are very simply the categorization of Nen abilities.
Showing us the efficiency with which Nen users use their Nen Type.

This.

Is it hatsu principles? Or fine detailed Nen type principles..

Hatsu is The Cup test, & your technique; What you mentally create using the principles, subcategories of the Nen types to make an ability, suited to your class, personality & style

 

[shionoro]

What I find interesting is that this kind of typing is introduced right now.

As in, before we had the understanding of Nen from the lens of martial artists, so words like Ryu, Zetsu and so on were taught with an intuitive understanding of the body, kind of like with Chi.

But now, as we move away from Martial arts battles towards the perspective of politicians and other kinds of establishment figures (the world of CEOs and scientists), our understanding of Nen becomes more analytical as if it was science.

Everything is neatly typed with exact subtypes. What was before thought as some kind of mythical exception of the rule (nen after death) is something some people can use at will and regularly (camilla).
What was before a privilege of the talented few and done by people dedicating their life to the craft now is something people learn as a means to an end.

To formulate it more radically: Nen before was a triumph of one's individuality. Something that represents who you are with all your quirks. That is still somewhat true, but the typing and the abundance of nenusers we see right now makes a manipulator like Illumi less into 'oh wow that guy can use needles to control people!' and more into 'a manipulator of th coercive type'.

This kind of typing only makes sense exactly because we see so many nenusers right now. The amount of Hatus we saw before this current arc is actually shockingly low for 340 chapters when you think about it.