Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Jko]

I didn’t say the fight was well done. I said it’s what we have. The argument that every single attack, including from outraged Irene, or August trying to kill Cana, was carefully controlled to be just what their opponent could handle is outrageous. The POF was obvious, but matches the sliding power scale of the series. Which is completely supported by the growth shown by the characters in the sequel. This would be true if they were Acno lvl. They aren’t. They are a step below Zeref. Each admit to being inferior to him as wizards. An no real match for Acnologia either.

Yet both of them are clear a far step above the guild's power. Bar Natsu no one is close to their actual level. And yes, they had to be controlled level hits bcs Cana is not taking an actual beating from a top tier and still be left standing lol. Nor is Wendy out skilling and duping Irene who is far better at enchanting than her. Irene alone got recognition by Acno and Zeref, and August was also recognize by Zeref to be powerful. Erza however wasn't even on Acno's radar. He thought she, Jellal and Wendy were all fodder lol. Yet Erza is supposedly on their level? Nah, unless PoF is being dropped Erza is fodder to them. The fight was PIS therefore it shouldn't be used as a gauge of ability.

Also even currently they are fodder to August and Irene. Natsu is legit the only one in the guild is solidly above them in power yet could easily be out hax by them in skill. That's why August and Irene are top tiers bcs they can at least do something to the God tiers or enough to impress them. Gild, Laxus, Erza, Mira, Jellal, Gray, and the rest can't ergo they aren't top tier level in the verse.

 

[WoWfan]

Axio, You are not understanding, being a natural dragon doesn’t make you more résistent, just less aversive to it’s affects, It does as apparently it affects even flying vehicles as well, even weakens wizards too, by retrospect it would affect Acno since he is entirely magical. Face affects Acno specifically since he is magic, but it takes time to lose magic as it is obvious since he would be affected by it still. Those were natural shadows since they are part of his body when he is not using magic. they would be destroyed via magic power from Face, Grandine and Metallicana and Skaidrum didn’t, Wiesslogia is questionable. no, that is a testament to their own natural strength as dragons rather than just magic power, it would make sense to use it on Acno when they still had time to do so, they were not immune, Acno was just affected more. Obviously END was the threat because of Face that was meant to resurrect him. It does since it eliminates magic, making it like Edolas which magic does not exist, but worse for wizards. That does not work like that, even wizards can lose the ability to use magic permanently without Face being active, or even the magic of the earth can be absorbed, stop making things up, unless said either does not produce magic since we see how that works with some users, Face said it disrupts all magic, would leave no exceptions. It does not since Alvarez will steam role through magicless Ishgar. Face is a pulse bomb, once it bursts, magic disappears forever, that was used as a deterrent for Alvarez to begin with. Yes he could have, Zeref is a danger to the world and Igneel would save countless lives with killing him, Igneel could find another child to do the plan

 

[Axiomus]

Being a natural dragon offers no benefits against face. Period. It doesn't make you less aversive to face's effects. I've already pointed out that the parent dragons are only alive because of the magic in the dragon soul technique. Their bodies will literally dissolve when that magic runs out. That makes them more aversive to face's effects, not less. I've also pointed out how even natural dragons, like Mercphobia, will lose their dragon forms and revert to a human state when their magic runs out. So even if the parent dragon's very lives didn't depend on the existence of magic, which they absolutely do, they're still no less susceptible to face than Acnologia is. Furthermore, Acnologia being the dragon of magic means he has resistance to all types of magic. Face is a magic. Acnologia is the only dragon with any type of resistance to face's effects.

Skiadrum doesn't "naturally" create shadows. He creates them with magic. They are magical shadows. Natural shadows can't wrap themselves around someone's body or behave like flames, and they certainly can't create a bunch of explosions. Skiadrum was obviously using magic.

Spoiler: Shadows behaving unnaturally like flames

Spoiler: Skiadrum covers himself in shadows and creates12 explosions

Weisslogia and Igneel used magic too. Igneel used fire magic. Weisslogia used light magic, and it's not even remotely debatable. He's literally generating beams of light to smash face here.

Spoiler: Weisslogia using light magic to smash face

Grandeeney and Metalicana most likely also used magic. It's just the visual indicators are less obvious. Grandeeney's element is the wind, and you can see winds trail her wings. Metalicana is the only one without an obvious visual indicator of herself using magic, but that's understandable because iron dragon slaying magic involves covering your body with iron.

Acnologia is a bigger threat than END. Igneel could crush END with a toe if need be. If the parent dragons were less affected by face than Acnologia, it would have been way smarter to wait for Igneel to kill Acnologia before smashing face.

First of all, name one wizard that actually lost the ability to use magic permanently. Chelia can still use some magic after 3rd origin. Irene told us that Neinhart will eventually recover use of his magic after separation enchantment. Okay, now explain how face can permanently wipe out someone's magic. It can't. Face can only wipe out magic power on the continent of Ishgal for as long as it's active. It can't stop the rest of the planet from generating ethernano, and it can't change the bodies of mages to stop absorbing ethernano. If face stops being active, then the ethernano the rest of the planet generates will eventually fill Ishgal back up and the mages will regain their powers. That's exactly what happened when the parent dragons smashed face.

Zeref wasn't evil 400 years ago. Igneel and Zeref were friends. There would have been zero motivation for Igneel to kill Zeref back then. Igneel also grew to love Natsu, which alone would stop him from wanting to kill Zeref. Remember, Igneel had the choice of killing END and could physically do it by crushing him with a toe. He just couldn't bring himself to do it because he loved Natsu.

 

[WoWfan]

Never said that, you are not listening, it is because they are natural dragons that they do not fall out of the sky unlike
Acno since he is a magic, even souls are natural and not artificial. Being a Magic dragon does not mean he is immune to all types of magic as Acno was affected by other Magic’s before besides dragon magic. Even after talking To humans those shadows on Skiadrum act liek they were before in that image, and the other one would just be streams of shadow because he moves so fast. And those beams could be from Face for Wiesslogia since we see those beams before with Wendy. Or those are just Mach cones or sonic booms from how fast Grandine and Metalicana go, sky magic and iron magic are obvious when used, END is a threat to others which Igneel could not deal while dealing with Acno. They could not wait with Face activated and going to kill everyone, the celestial wizards from Starry night arc, if Face wipes out someone‘s magic, it will kill them from MDD, there is no proof that it can only do so while active, they have constantly stated that when the “BOMBS” go off it is the end of the magical continent, so everything that is magic in the continent would be gone, including the magic in the earth, which made the comparison to Edolas, even magic in the earth can be absorbed thus people cannot harness it and would kill them eventually. Zeref contradicts himself, so he would be evil whenever it is convenient. There would be motivation to kill him to help end his suffering, Igneel can grow to love other humans too so he can find someone else, he only grew attached AFTER Zeref handed him over which contradicts your point

 

[Axiomus]

Like I said, losing magic would causes even natural dragons to revert into a human. This directly contradicts your claim that natural dragons don't need magic to fly. They need magic maintain their dragon forms. The parent dragons in particular need magic just to stay alive.

I shouldn't have to say this, but natural shadows cannot behave the way they do on Skiadrum. Natural shadows cannot move around like flames. Natural shadows cannot cover someone's body and leave a trial. Natural shadows can't blow up the ground with explosions. It is so painfully obvious that Skiadrum's shadows are magic. The only way you can get this wrong is if you don't know how shadows work in real life. This whole idea that dragons don't need to use magic to generate elements is nonsense to begin with. The dragon's powers are reliant on magic too.

Those beams of light came from Weisslogia. Face was already destroyed in that image. Also, Wendy's face created those beams because she couldn't fully destroy the magic of her face and there was some magic power left over. Carla had to rig the remaining MP to explode. This wasn't an issue with the parent dragons, who could one-shot every single face in its entirety.

You're missing the point. If face was truly what was keeping Acnologia down, it would have been far better to wait until Igneel kills Acnologia to destroy face. Even if END revives, Igneel could just pin him under his toe. It's far easier to deal with END than Acnologia.

Face cannot wipe magic from the entire planet. Only Ishgal. The rest of the planet will still generate ethernano, and when face stops, that ethernano will find its way back to Ishgal. Edolas got all it's MP sucked out from the whole planet. Not the same. Magic deficiency disease can be easily reversed by restoring someone with their magic, like was done for Makarov. It's not a huge issue. Also face did go off, and magical power wasn't permanently wiped from the continent because the parent dragons destroyed them.

Nothing about that contradicts my claims. The very fact that Zeref asked Igneel to train Natsu tells us that Zeref believes Igneel's power can kill Zeref. This was confirmed as a fact when Zeref actually thought Igneel's power could kill him. Nothing you said really changes this. If you're wondering why Igneel didn't kill Zeref himself, the answer is simple. He and Zeref were friends, and Igneel would probably refuse to kill his own friends. Igneel came to love Natsu too. Igneel needed Zeref alive to design and construct the Eclipse, and he wanted Natsu alive so he could seal himself. Also, Igneel lost most of his power after getting his soul taken by Acnologia. So it could very well be that he simply wasn't at full strength back then. Whatever the case may be, Zeref clearly thought that Igneel's power in Natsu's arm could get the job done.

 

[WoWfan]

Like i said, that would only be the case if they lost all of their magic which they still had plenty of, which doesn’t contradict anythin, in fact they managed to destroy the face bombs faster than they can erase magic considering they can fly across a continent around a minute or so. I obv know how shadows work without you making a big fuss about it, It doesn’t matter because if his body eminates shadows passively, then they are naturally part of his body Regardless how you see it unless they are magical attacks, which i doubt. You have no proof since even beams of light can come from Face too even post destruction. That would be no different from what Weisslogia gone through compared to Wendy. Who said anything about the planet, Face can wipe out all magic that includes in the earth as well surrounding the area. Never said Edolas’ magic got erased, but Carla making the comparison that even the planet, items and people no longer has magic, yet MDD can and does kill Without proper treatment, and with Makarov’s, he was able to recover because his magic still exists in the air, while with Face, it erases it. That right there contradict your point, if Zeref believes Igneel’s power can kill him, then he would have done so back then, the whole Natsu thing was pointless to begin with. Amd Igneel would find another kid to train and love or whatever, you are avoiding the most important hole in your theory that it just falls apart.

 

[Axiomus]

Like i said, that would only be the case if they lost all of their magic which they still had plenty of, which doesn’t contradict anythin, in fact they managed to destroy the face bombs faster than they can erase magic considering they can fly across a continent around a minute or so. I obv know how shadows work without you making a big fuss about it, It doesn’t matter because if his body eminates shadows passively, then they are naturally part of his body Regardless how you see it unless they are magical attacks, which i doubt. You have no proof since even beams of light can come from Face too, did They say spell names like Igneel does? No. That would be no different from what Weisslogia gone through compared to Wendy. Who said anything about the planet, Face can wipe out all magic that includes in the earth as well surrounding the area. Never said Edolas’ magic got erased, but Carla making the comparison that even the planet, items and people no longer has magic, yet MDD can and does kill Without proper treatment, and with Makarov’s, he was able to recover because his magic still exists in the air, while with Face, it erases it. That right there contradict your point, if Zeref believes Igneel’s power can kill him, then he would have done so back then, the whole Natsu thing was pointless to begin with. Amd Igneel would find another kid to train and love or whatever, you are avoiding the most important hole in your theory that it just falls apart.

So you agree that face didn't wipe away all of the parent dragon's magic power. Well, Acnologia has more MP than the parent dragons.

You obviously don't know how shadows work if you think Skiadrum's shadows are natural lmao. Real shadows can't behave like that. Skiadrum's shadows are magical. Dragons need magic to produce their elements.

Those light beams came from Weisslogia because face was already destroyed. Wendy's face only produced light beams because she couldn't fully destroy face's magic power. If Weisslogia didn't fully destroy face's magic power, then there would still be a face active. There isn't.

Dragons don't have to say the name of their spells. All dragons use magic:

Spoiler

Face can only wipe out magic on the land of Ishgal. It can't stop the earth itself from producing Ethernano. If face stops being active, then the earth will eventually produce enough Ethernano to fill Ishgal back with magic. Face does absolutely nothing to prevent this. Magic deficiency disease can easily be reversed by restoring someone's magic, which everyone does naturally. The only time it would be difficult to treat magic deficiency disease is when you inhale anti-magic particles. We've seen Eclipse steal all of Natsu's MP, and he didn't develop the disease because he recovered his magic within a day. Makarov's condition only got as bad as it did because he was already in poor, aging health. It would take more than a day for magic deficiency disease to actually kill someone. It would take less than an hour for Igneel to kill Acnologia, and the parent dragons to stomp out Tartaros.

Again, Zeref believing that Igneel's power is capable of killing him is a fact. He sent Natsu to be trained by Igneel for that very reason, and he thought Natsu could actually kill him when he had Igneel's power in his arm. These are facts. Zeref couldn't have forced Igneel to kill him 400 years ago, and Igneel never wanted to personally kill Zeref. They were friends and Igneel loved Natsu. He also needed Zeref's help for the Eclipse to time travel, and wanted to seal himself inside Natsu. There are no holes in my theory, because it's not a theory. I'm describing what actually happened. Besides, we know that Igneel had the physical means of destroying END and just couldn't bring himself to do it. Zeref would have recognized Igneel's power is his best chance at dying when he saw that Igneel was stronger than END. Which again, is exactly why he wanted Natsu to be trained by Igneel. If Zeref thought END's power had a better chance of killing him, he would have just opened the book and ignored Igneel.

 

[WoWfan]

I agree that they have not lost all their magic power yet, that is not the same for Acno who is entirely magic and would be the biggest victim here. I am saying that the shadows are part of his natural form, do not confuse my words for something else, besides, they behave more like Dark Matter/Energy than shadows with it's interaction with gravity. So what you are saying is that Skiadrum is a big Magic squanderer, wasting magic constantly even without doing anything? Nothing shows those beams are Weisslogias since they are not from his body, at least with Face was see beams of light from them before and post destruction. It can and was going to, since it affects all magic, leaving little to no room for exception, considering it was going to be the “end of the Magical World” Not a “lunch break of the Magical World”, there is no proof that the magic would return to said area since it was a guaranteed thing to happen. People die from MDD, the only one that can be recovered is by someone who is treated by a doctor, so I would say only one person can recover out of the 10% of the human population that can use magic. He was in bad condition because of his lack of magic power, that was before Fairy Tail Festival. It would take more than a day if they are treated by it. That is where your theory is wrong, if he believed that Igneel‘s power can kill him then he would have done so without giving Natsu over, a real friend would help another friend end their suffering, because that is what Zeref wants to be put out of his misery. Yes he could have if Zeref attacked Igneel, giving him a reason to kill him. That right there, is why Igneel‘s cannot kill him because Zeref only theorizes it, there is no concrete evidence to back that up

 

[Axiomus]

Acnologia didn't lose all of his magic either. He maintained his dragon form and still had enough MP to roar at Igneel in their rematch.

Those shadows are magical. Period. Real shadows don't behave like that. Skiadrum can only produce those magical shadows with magic. Skiadrum is using his shadows to fight. We literally see him create 12 or so explosions. And he has so much magic power anyways that wasting it isn't that big of a deal.

Since when does the light have to come from Weisslogia's body to be his magic. When Sting uses magic, not all the light comes directly from his body. Again, the only reason Wendys' face shot out beams of magic power was because Wendy couldn't fully destroy face's magic power. Weisslogia could. Look at all the other faces the parent dragons destroyed. None of them shot out beams.

Face cannot stop the earth from producing Ethernano. If face could permanently stop the earth from producing ethernano after it's activated, then the parents dragons destroying it wouldn't have immediately reversed its effects and increased the concentration of ethernano in it's atmosphere. But it did, so you're wrong.

Zeref believing that Igneel's power could kill him is not up for debate. It's why he wanted Igneel to train Natsu, and why he thought Igneel's power in Natsu's arm could kill him. This is indisputable fact, regardless of what Zeref and Igneel did 400 years ago. Like I said, there are plenty of reasons why Igneel would not kill Zeref. He could have simply refused to kill his friends on principle. He could have been too weak due to Acnologia having stolen his soul. He could have found out that Zeref could create an Eclipse for time travel before Zeref thought to ask for Igneel to kill him. He could have bonded with Natsu before Zeref thought to ask Igneel to kill him too. Zeref was still kind hearted 400 years ago, and he wanted to revive Natsu first, even if his goal was eventually to die. He could have simply figured that Igneel would agree to kill him after he got to spent some time with Zeref. I don't pretend to know exactly what went on 400 years ago. What I do know is that eventually Zeref wanted Natsu to obtain power on Igneel's level so that he Natsu could be strong enough to kill him, and that when Natsu finally had Igneel's power in his arm that was when Zeref thought he could die.

 

[WoWfan]

he can become weakened as well as retain his dragon form, it is not uncommon for things like that to happen. That is not the same as Skaidrum using his magic to charge those Faces, period, Shadows do not create explosions like that as well, those were from the result of the faces. so he should have stayed in Rogue then since he is the most pathetic Dragon to waste magic like that in your opinion. All all the time since he is the source of the magic, we see Sting fire light from his body in practically every instance., and they come from the ground, just like the light from Face. it can, just like other magics can, and since it is rooted in the earth, that is a safe bet it does affect the earth as well and affect the ground around it as well. The earth would eventually return to normal before the Face bombs were complete just like every other source of magic on the continent, so I am right. it is because Zeref had no proof that Igneel's power could kill him, either if it was him directly or through Natsu, nor can it be confirmed since he did not deliver the finishing blow, even Zeref healed from the attack too. you are basic your opinion on a subjective opinion, which cannot be confirmed in any regard.

 

[Ratrace]

Acnologia didn't lose all of his magic either. He maintained his dragon form and still had enough MP to roar at Igneel in their rematch.

It's possible that Hiro haven't thought of a human for him yet or did but didn't want to show it at that time

 

[WoWfan]

It's possible that Hiro haven't thought of a human for him yet or did but didn't want to show it at that time

It's possible that Hiro haven't thought of a human for him yet or did but didn't want to show it at that time

I would not think so since we see a silhouette of Acno back in GMG arc

 

[GL_Nova]

Yet both of them are clear a far step above the guild's power. Bar Natsu no one is close to their actual level. And yes, they had to be controlled level hits bcs Cana is not taking an actual beating from a top tier and still be left standing lol. Nor is Wendy out skilling and duping Irene who is far better at enchanting than her. Irene alone got recognition by Acno and Zeref, and August was also recognize by Zeref to be powerful. Erza however wasn't even on Acno's radar. He thought she, Jellal and Wendy were all fodder lol. Yet Erza is supposedly on their level? Nah, unless PoF is being dropped Erza is fodder to them. The fight was PIS therefore it shouldn't be used as a gauge of ability.

Also even currently they are fodder to August and Irene. Natsu is legit the only one in the guild is solidly above them in power yet could easily be out hax by them in skill. That's why August and Irene are top tiers bcs they can at least do something to the God tiers or enough to impress them. Gild, Laxus, Erza, Mira, Jellal, Gray, and the rest can't ergo they aren't top tier level in the verse.

The problem is feats don’t agree with you. Erza’s performance in the series as a whole, is supported throughout moments in the finale. We’ve established it’s a regular ability, not some one and done asspull ish. An a regular mechanic of the verse. An again, nothing shows or suggests a massive gap between August and Gildarts. None of his attacks particularly rattled him of overwhelmed him, and the biggest damage done was a direct result of August targeting Cana, not overpowering Gildarts. Then you have the fact that Jellal, canonically, has the better performance against Acno than either of them. I mean I get complaining about the scaling, but they have the feats to back up these claims. An the other two don’t. Their portrayal makes it clear their closer to their opponents than Zeref or Acno.

 

[Ratrace]

I would not think so since we see a silhouette of Acno back in GMG arc

I thought about that for awhile but did Hiro just use the same design or was it Anco the whole time personally I would like it if was the latter

One question I have is if he was there why did he try to kill the dragon slayers or the dragons at that time

 

[Axiomus]

He can become weakened and still remain flying and have more MP than the parent dragons. Face nerfs everyone's magic.

Real shadows don't cause explosions. Magical shadows can cause explosions easily. Anyways, the point is that Skiadrum used magic to make those explosions.

Spoiler

Sting can use light blasts that doesn't come from his body.

Spoiler

Face activated in full when the timer hit 0. It didn't permanently wipe magic from the continent. You're incorrect.

It truly doesn't matter if Zeref had zero proof. What's important here is that Zeref himself believes that Igneel's power can kill him. That's why he sent Natsu to be trained, and it's why he thought Natsu could kill him when they fought.

It's possible that Hiro haven't thought of a human for him yet or did but didn't want to show it at that time

All the more reason Acnologia didn't fall due to face. If Hiro wanted to show Acnologia losing his magic to face, then he would have to show Acnologia's human form.

 

[Ratrace]

He can become weakened and still remain flying and have more MP than the parent dragons. Face nerfs everyone's magic.

Real shadows don't cause explosions. Magical shadows do cause explosions easily create explosions. Anyways, the point is that Skiadrum used magic to make those explosions.

Spoiler

Sting can use light blasts that doesn't come from his body.

Spoiler

Face activated in full when the timer hit 0. It didn't permanently wipe magic from the continent. You're incorrect.

It truly doesn't matter if Zeref had zero proof. What's important here is that Zeref himself believes that Igneel's power can kill him. That's why he sent Natsu to be trained, and it's why he thought Natsu could kill him when they fought.



All the more reason Acnologia didn't fall due to face. If Hiro wanted to show Acnologia losing his magic to face, then he would have to show Acnologia's human form.

It's possible

 

[WoWfan]

no, he became weakened and fell from the sky. And correct everyone’s magic is affected. He already was affect by face, by falling out of the sky, heck, further evidence of this being the case as an example with Hapoy and Carla falling out of the sky while still have Aera active with their magic weakened

that is not how magical explosions look like when Skiadrum did it.

wrong, those light attacks came from his body as Sting fighting with them, not indépendant of his form

it permenantly removes magic from the continent, hence the end of the magical world

So you are saying that Zeref’s believes alters reality? If so then why hasn’t he used a stick to kill himself with since his belief makes things happen, if he can’t then Igneel’s power killing Zeref is an assumption on his and the audience part

 

[Axiomus]

no, he became weakened and fell from the sky. And correct everyone’s magic is affected. He already was affect by face, by falling out of the sky, heck, further evidence of this being the case as an example with Hapoy and Carla falling out of the sky while still have Aera active with their magic weakened

that is not how magical explosions look like when Skiadrum did it.

wrong, those light attacks came from his body as Sting fighting with them, not indépendant of his form

it permenantly removes magic from the continent, hence the end of the magical world

So you are saying that Zeref’s believes alters reality? If so then why hasn’t he used a stick to kill himself with since his belief makes things happen, if he can’t then Igneel’s power killing Zeref is an assumption on his and the audience part

Acnologia isn't Happy or Carla.... Carla and Happy never fell out of the sky when face activated. They were standing on the ground. And didn't have their wings out.

It doesn't matter. Skiadrum can't make explosions without magic.

Look at the bottom right panel. None of the light blasts are coming from Sting's body.

No it doesn't. They weren't talking about the entire planet. Just Ishgal. The rest of the planet will still be generating ethernano, and that ethernano will fill up Ishgal when face stops being active.

No lol. I'm saying Zeref believes that Igneel can kill him, and nothing in the manga actually contradicts this.

 

[GL_Nova]

Real Question: If Mashima has Natsu flat out state that one of the DG (Ignia, Viernes, Selene) is the single strongest opponent he’s ever faced. Would that ruin FT for you?

 

[WoWfan]

They fell out of the sky when their magic was weakened and still had their wings, Acno is no different, he didn’, those were from the faces, those were from his fists, he just moves them faster than the eye can track, I know, she meant the magical world of Ishgar, just using a direct quote, no proof that it will fill up Ishgar, especially when null energy generates. Yes it does as belief is not the same as factually true.