Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Archaon]

Only that alone is not enough to keep a manga alive forever.

do you think magu chan will last for 100 chapters and win anime if sales don't go up?

The people who defend these magu chan positions forget this detail.

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Mitama started out better than yozakura and was still canceled.

Sales don't interfere with voting, but it's important to keep a manga alive.

Again, if more people are voting for Magu then should Jump just ignore those votes in favor of higher selling manga? If that the case then the TOC will be the same every single time.

Also if the manga is selling well enough then it shouldn't fear getting axed despite it low ranking then.

 

[Stivie]

Again, if more people are voting for Magu then should Jump just ignore those votes in favor of higher selling manga? If that the case then the TOC will be the same every single time.

Also if the manga is selling well enough then it shouldn't fear getting axed despite it low ranking then.

Yes, they should ignore magu chan. you ignore the fact that jump has 21 manga.
Magu chan staying at the botton would not let toc be the same forever.

Besides, we don't know if the phantom seer votes are being ignored to favor another manga.

 

[Archaon]

Yes, they should ignore magu chan. you ignore the fact that jump has 21 manga.
Magu chan staying at the botton would not let toc be the same forever.

Besides, we don't know if the phantom seer votes are being ignored to favor another manga.

What i said is that if sale dictate the voting system then every TOC will be the same. Also think about what you said, if a lot of people voted for Magu, is it right to just ignore their feedback? Or are you saying their feedbacks don't count because they don't support the "right" series according to the sale?

 

[Stivie]

What i said is that if sale dictate the voting system then every TOC will be the same. Also think about what you said, if a lot of people voted for Magu, is it right to just ignore their feedback? Or are you saying their feedbacks don't count because they don't support the "right" series according to the sale?

Feedback is also associated with the sales of a series. when higher, sales also indicate public acceptance.

Relying only on voting is bad, since if it does not increase sales it generates losses

I doubt a crowd of fans would show up at the shueisha's door to protest the cancellation of magu chan.

 

[tirakai]

That's another stable mid-ToC position for I tell C. It's hard to imagine it being successful long-term but it'd be nice to see it keep hanging around the middle long enough to survive a couple rounds at least. Good first placement for Witch Watch too. All 3 new series have started okay so far, now it's up to Ball Parade next week.

It's also great to see Magu-chan hit the top 5, feels almost certain at this point that both it and Roboco will get to a year of serialisation. It's still possible they'll go the way of Agravity Boys and end right after, but a year is a year.

No news of next issue's colour pages?

 

[Jovan]

Sakamoto (Volume 1 release celebration) and Yozakura (Volume 7 immediate reprint and all of the previous volumes reprint thanks) will receive color pages next issue. J+ series 2.5 Jigen no Ririsa will appear with a special chapter.

C
JC1巻発売記念　SAKAMOTO
JC7巻発売即重版&またしても既刊全巻重版御礼　夜桜
より出張　2.5次元の誘惑

 

[tirakai]

That's a a really quick colour page for Yozakura, it's been getting a ton lately. I guess Jump also realises how great they are.

 

[ItsSamu]

Whether anyone believes the discrepancy in sales vs TOC positions is down to Nak's funny bones or some more information about the magazine readers that we're not privy to it looks like this debate is just going to go on forever regardless. Clearly there is some reason for series like Magu-chan, High School Family, and Me & Roboco still getting good/occasionally high rankings, whether because people are voting for them or because the editorial department feels the need to give them that push that other series might not need without other comedies to replace them just yet.

Whatever the case, clearly Magu-chan isn't going anywhere this next round. High School Family just had a 5th place ranking last week out of nowhere so who knows there. Similar things happened with Mitama Security as well so it doesn't mean they're certain to stay forever. If it's two series ending in the coming weeks Hard-Boiled Cop and Dolphin and Build King might actually be the safest bets.

Quite a lot of fluctuation this week in the TOC. Sakamoto Days is way low but then again it's not uncommon for newer series to go lower after their colour pages, but even this is a lot. Thankfully it's getting another colour page next week (also Yozakura again, lol). Ayakashi Triangle is ranking in the bottom 5 consistently now which isn't wild for a fanservice series, but with the flat-lining sales that's not exactly inspiring for its long-term future, unless it lasts long enough for an anime announcement to keep it afloat. Build King and Phantom Seer continue to battle it out for last place, ouch.

Not bad spots for I tell c and WITCH WATCH so far. Hopefully Nine Dragons has similarly decent rankings but I'm not holding my breath...

Black Clover getting a movie smells like anime original to me vs JJK being one of the canon story arcs. Also, speaking of Magu-chan, it's also jumping on the Jujutsu Kaisen ED parody train:


(thanks tirakai for clarifying this is fan-made) 9,700 views in nearly 24 hours doesn't compare with the traction Me & Roboco did back in February however (now at 2.6 million views).

 

[SharkBait]

Sakamoto (Volume 1 release celebration) and Yozakura (Volume 7 immediate reprint and all of the previous volumes reprint thanks) will receive color pages next issue. J+ series 2.5 Jigen no Ririsa will appear with a special chapter.

C
JC1巻発売記念　SAKAMOTO
JC7巻発売即重版&またしても既刊全巻重版御礼　夜桜
より出張　2.5次元の誘惑

This is Yozakura Family's Year omg.

Please bring my boy back for tons of content TeamMichibata

 

[tirakai]

anime original tome vs JJK. Also, speaking of Magu-chan, it's also jumping on the Jujutsu Kaisen ED parody train:


9,700 views in nearly 24 hours doesn't compare with the traction Me & Roboco did back in February however (now at 2.6 million views).

That's a fan-made video, rather than an official Jump one like Roboco.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

 

[Stivie]

Sakamoto (Volume 1 release celebration) and Yozakura (Volume 7 immediate reprint and all of the previous volumes reprint thanks) will receive color pages next issue. J+ series 2.5 Jigen no Ririsa will appear with a special chapter.

C
JC1巻発売記念　SAKAMOTO
JC7巻発売即重版&またしても既刊全巻重版御礼　夜桜
より出張　2.5次元の誘惑

Another CP for Yozakura?

we already had 3 PCs in a row last week, why else now?

I love Yozakura, but there are manga that need more CP.

 

[lgrmjauffre]

Another CP for Yozakura?

we already had 3 PCs in a row last week, why else now?

I love Yozakura, but there are manga that need more CP.

Probably a combination of the manga likely being well received within the magazine, and the author having time to do them.

 

[tirakai]

That's probably part of it as well.

4 of the 5 main series have trouble keeping up with the regular chapters at times, so if Gondaira's able to make lots of colour pages it helps them out.

 

[Stivie]

Probably a combination of the manga likely being well received within the magazine, and the author having time to do them.

That's probably part of it as well.

4 of the 5 main series have trouble keeping up with the regular chapters at times, so if Gondaira's able to make lots of colour pages it helps them out.

But Yozakura already had 3 CP last week. They didn’t need to keep showing off the popularity of the manga all the time. Everyone already understood.

because it doesn’t give Phantom seer a CP to celebrate 100 K sales.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Pretty confident on Dr.Stone getting issue 19 or 20 CP:
-Something has to have the remaining CP before the group cover. One Piece is already having issue 18 CP. Nak is spamming One Piece or Dr.Stone covers.
-Nak can use future anime season 3 + cover release as excuses for the 4th Dr.Stone cover in 20 issues.

I can see this happening at almost 100% (or even on issue 19 and JJK anniversary cover being delayed to issue 20. The main Jump seller getting its anniversary delayed so much is still a very pathetic move by Nak).

Then issue 21-22 is the group cover (inb4 Luffy and Senku as the main figures), and I can see issue 23 as the start of a new serialization round.

PS: Yozakura 3 color pages on 4 issues. Come on Nak, give it a cover already.

 

[SharkBait]

But Yozakura already had 3 CP last week. They didn’t need to keep showing off the popularity of the manga all the time. Everyone already understood.

because it doesn’t give Phantom seer a CP to celebrate 100 K sales.

Do you dislike Magu chan and Yozakura?

 

[Stivie]

Do you dislike Magu chan and Yozakura?

I love yozakura. But not to be giving direct CP. The manga is not at risk of cancellation, so because it does not give the CP to those who deserve it.

And magu chan, I already said what I think. If it sells poorly, it shouldn't have so much promotion.

 

[galaxy-juice]

Mitama started out better than yozakura and was still canceled.

Sales don't interfere with voting, but it's important to keep a manga alive.

TOC positions =/= sales.

Mitama had higher positions, but it ultimately did not sell well, so it was canceled. Mitama even had a pretty good TOC placement (6) the week before it was axed. This is because TOC positions =/= sales. Just because Magu-chan or High School Family had high TOC placements one week does not mean they suddenly started selling well. This is because TOC positions =/= sales. Even though Sakamoto Days has high TOC placements, this is no guarantee that it is going to sell well. It is far, far more likely that it will sell well, but it is not guaranteed. This is because TOC positions =/= sales.

I know you want Phantom Seer to succeed, but if you want to talk about "sales are important to keep a manga alive," then you have to remember that Phantom Seer vol 2 did not show any growth compared to vol 1. It may not have received any promotion, but you act like that makes it immune to the criticism you give all the other stagnating series.

Jump is in a position where it only has eight established series, and three of them (Yozakura, Undead, Mashle) are all very new. It's fine if they switch around the order of the other twelve from time to time. Because TOC positions =/= sales, you don't need to get aggressive every time a series with average sales gets a jump in TOC placement.

In other words, don't respond to a particular TOC position with "but [that series] has poor sales" because that isn't how TOC positions are decided.

After this I probably won't comment about this topic again.

 

[Stivie]

TOC positions =/= sales.

Mitama had higher positions, but it ultimately did not sell well, so it was canceled. Mitama even had a pretty good TOC placement (6) the week before it was axed. This is because TOC positions =/= sales. Just because Magu-chan or High School Family had high TOC placements one week does not mean they suddenly started selling well. This is because TOC positions =/= sales. Even though Sakamoto Days has high TOC placements, this is no guarantee that it is going to sell well. It is far, far more likely that it will sell well, but it is not guaranteed. This is because TOC positions =/= sales.

I know you want Phantom Seer to succeed, but if you want to talk about "sales are important to keep a manga alive," then you have to remember that Phantom Seer vol 2 did not show any growth compared to vol 1. It may not have received any promotion, but you act like that makes it immune to the criticism you give all the other stagnating series.

Jump is in a position where it only has eight established series, and three of them (Yozakura, Undead, Mashle) are all very new. It's fine if they switch around the order of the other twelve from time to time. Because TOC positions =/= sales, you don't need to get aggressive every time a series with average sales gets a jump in TOC placement.

In other words, don't respond to a particular TOC position with "but [that series] has poor sales" because that isn't how TOC positions are decided.

After this I probably won't comment about this topic again.

And again, you ignored the 100K copies in circulation of phantom seer. Even if sales have not grown, that remains high.

It is the same as the Ayakashi triangle that had 200K copies in circulation and had CP in celebration.

Even if Phantom seer didn't grow up, that doesn't diminish the fact that the situation of magu chan is worse, and look at him being promoted by nothing.

Do you think that the number of people who buy phantom seer is less or less important than the number of people who vote for magu chan or high school family? of course not.

And we will leave the doubt if phantom seer does not even increase sales, because he still had reprints and also the first volume entered the rank of shogeki again at the time of sales of the second volume. Then stop belittling the manga.

There were many manga that celebrate sales with CP and even good positions, it was always that way. So don't come up with the idea that TOC positions = / = sales.
Because that doesn't justify this lack of promotion for phantom seer.