One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[LadyVados]

Spoiler: 1013

It seems like we were all overhyping Luffy, he is definitely weaker than Zoro. Admiral level ? Not even close.

--- Double Post Merged, May 11, 2021, Original Post Date: May 11, 2021 ---

Spoiler: 1013

Zoro is unquestionably the strongest straw hat and supernova. He did the best against Kaido by some margin

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

People have been talking about Neko vs Perospero in other discussions.
What do you guys think?
How strong is Perospero. I have a hard time figuring him out. So far he is the oldest BMP, bounty of 700 mil, and extremely confident he can run the BMP instead of Katakuri. Also seems like he was leading the BMP instead of Smoothie during SHs chase in WCI.
Is he above the Sweet Commanders in leadership and maybe strength too?
I wouldnt say above Katakuri of course but what about Cracker or Smoothie?

He’s intelligent
He’s not stronger than any of the sweet commmanders
But running an organization also recruires smarts
Mihawk is powerful and not dumb but could he pull of something like baroque works , something that crocodile someone much weaker than him ? Unklikey

 

[Aki1991]

Spoiler: 1013

It seems like we were all overhyping Luffy, he is definitely weaker than Zoro. Admiral level ? Not even close.

--- Double Post Merged, May 11, 2021, Original Post Date: May 11, 2021 ---

Spoiler: 1013

Zoro is unquestionably the strongest straw hat and supernova. He did the best against Kaido by some margin

Are we reading the same Manga? Or are you Nik in disguise?

 

[Crimson Ice]

Are we reading the same Manga? Or are you Nik in disguise?

I like to think it’s a troll. Refuse to think someone is that stupid.

 

[LadyVados]

Are we reading the same Manga? Or are you Nik in disguise?

I am not that yonko-wanker

I like to think it’s a troll. Refuse to think someone is that stupid.

Am I wrong ?

 

[john ellis]

why do people put the yonko so much higher then the admiral? I wouldn't be surprized if akainu could 1 vs 1 any yonko, and at least force a draw? I get maybe the low tier admirals are below the current yonko. But a yonko has never actually defeated an admiral or majorly damaged one? Also does it matter if garp+sengoku defeated shiki. That doesn't imply it took both of them to defeat them only that he was foolish to challenge both of them at once. Imagine if someone tired to fight kaido+big mom in a 1 on 2. It doesn't mean both of them were required to win only that someone was foolish enough to fight them in a 2 vs 1. It's likely either sengoku or garp, or at the very least garp, could win in a 1 vs 1 on shiki.

 

[LadyVados]

Imagine if someone tried to fight kaido+big mom in a 1 on 2.

One green haired madlad enters the chat

 

[albertwv]

why do people put the yonko so much higher then the admiral? I wouldn't be surprized if akainu could 1 vs 1 any yonko, and at least force a draw? I get maybe the low tier admirals are below the current yonko. But a yonko has never actually defeated an admiral or majorly damaged one? Also does it matter if garp+sengoku defeated shiki. That doesn't imply it took both of them to defeat them only that he was foolish to challenge both of them at once. Imagine if someone tired to fight kaido+big mom in a 1 on 2. It doesn't mean both of them were required to win only that someone was foolish enough to fight them in a 2 vs 1. It's likely either sengoku or garp, or at the very least garp, could win in a 1 vs 1 on shiki.

I rate the Yonko higher than the admirals because of MF war. Yes WB took alot of damage from Akainu and couldnt properly finish him off but if you take in account all the damage and special circumstances that led to WB dying then you can see WB > Admirals.
Before MF war, the whole Marine HQ and Warlords were called in to fight 1 Yonko crew. That should tell you something. If Yonko = Admiral then why call the Warlords or 100k elite marines and Pacifistas and so on. They trapped WB in their own territory, had someone betray and stab WB, put up a wall to stop his DF punches, had Ace as a hostage and the Marines were lucky WB was in a bad health condition (The Marines were probably not aware of that). All these factors helped Marine HQ win the war.

Now put WB and Akainu or any admiral in a level playing field such as Punk Hazard before the TS. Then you will see a whole different outcome. WB will high diff Akainu. but still WB > Akainu.

People like to rate Akainu high because they believe he is EOS villain and therefore has to be stronger than anyone else if not then the story wont make sense. Also because Luffy has to defeat Akainu because of Ace.

Aokiji and Kizaru had to win their fights versus Marco and Jozu by taking advantage of them not being concentrated because of WB's illness. Then Kizaru had a VA put Marco on seastone, yet even after Kizaru lazered Marco, Marco was still not taken down.

We've seen Yonkos and how they handle (1-3 shot) YCs. Kaido vs G4 Luffy 1st time, BM vs Queen, Kaido vs 9RS, BM vs Marco, etc. Compare that to Admirals fighting YCs, the YCs actually looked like they had a chance.
In conclusion, Yonko > Admirals > YCs.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I rate the Yonko higher than the admirals because of MF war. Yes WB took alot of damage from Akainu and couldnt properly finish him off but if you take in account all the damage and special circumstances that led to WB dying then you can see WB > Admirals.
Before MF war, the whole Marine HQ and Warlords were called in to fight 1 Yonko crew. That should tell you something. If Yonko = Admiral then why call the Warlords or 100k elite marines and Pacifistas and so on. They trapped WB in their own territory, had someone betray and stab WB, put up a wall to stop his DF punches, had Ace as a hostage and the Marines were lucky WB was in a bad health condition (The Marines were probably not aware of that). All these factors helped Marine HQ win the war.

Now put WB and Akainu or any admiral in a level playing field such as Punk Hazard before the TS. Then you will see a whole different outcome. WB will high diff Akainu. but still WB > Akainu.

People like to rate Akainu high because they believe he is EOS villain and therefore has to be stronger than anyone else if not then the story wont make sense. Also because Luffy has to defeat Akainu because of Ace.

Aokiji and Kizaru had to win their fights versus Marco and Jozu by taking advantage of them not being concentrated because of WB's illness. Then Kizaru had a VA put Marco on seastone, yet even after Kizaru lazered Marco, Marco was still not taken down.

We've seen Yonkos and how they handle (1-3 shot) YCs. Kaido vs G4 Luffy 1st time, BM vs Queen, Kaido vs 9RS, BM vs Marco, etc. Compare that to Admirals fighting YCs, the YCs actually looked like they had a chance.
In conclusion, Yonko > Admirals > YCs.

Yes all of marines and shichibukai were called in to fight one yonkou crew but what were the results

the marines actually ended up facing
The white beard pirates

Impel down escapees

And the Blackbeard pirates

And we’re actually kinda winning or at worst stalemating and add to that the shichibumai were barely helping and being chaotic and at times fighting the very marines

heck just one akainu mowed throw and could tango with multiple WB commanders and crocodile at once and come out unscathed

so no the marines > 1 yonkou crew by a good deal even


akainu took off half of WB face and melted his mouth internal organs he left him with way fatal wounds , in contrast akainu immediately began chasing the Blackbeard pirates after the war he didn’t even need to recover
You say whitebeard held back , the admirals did if not more so as we saw in punk hazard ( the example you cite ) they said it themselves they’re here to protect , they can’t go running wild

 

[albertwv]

Yes all of marines and shichibukai were called in to fight one yonkou crew but what were the results

the marines actually ended up facing
The white beard pirates

Impel down escapees

And the Blackbeard pirates

And we’re actually kinda winning or at worst stalemating and add to that the shichibumai were barely helping and being chaotic and at times fighting the very marines

heck just one akainu mowed throw and could tango with multiple WB commanders and crocodile at once and come out unscathed

so no the marines > 1 yonkou crew by a good deal even


akainu took off half of WB face and melted his mouth internal organs he left him with way fatal wounds , in contrast akainu immediately began chasing the Blackbeard pirates after the war he didn’t even need to recover
You say whitebeard held back , the admirals did if not more so as we saw in punk hazard ( the example you cite ) they said it themselves they’re here to protect , they can’t go running wild

ID escapees and BB Pirates were not in the equation when Marine HQ decided to face the WBP. So no you cannot include them. Marine HQ when going to war with WBP thought they were only facing the WBP and decided to call the Warlords in, even if the Warlords were not much of a help, the Marines still called them in. What I am saying is that the Marines feared 1 Yonko crew so much they called in 100,000 of there elite soldiers, all 3 admirals, all 7 Warlords although only 5/7 showed up, plotted WB's betrayal by Squardo, AND were in home territory with hundreds of cannons and 50 War ships and a plot to surround them with a thick steel wall personally made to defend from WB.

The Marines were scared they were still going to lose, even after having all that. Sengoku himself stated that they might lose the war. Sengoku, who knows how strong WB is and the Admirals, he is an impartial judge on their strength.

You say the Admirals didnt go all out because they didnt change the landscape or temperature, same for WB, we've seen how strong his DF is but we never saw it awakened, so if its already deadly imagine it Awakened (hopefully Teach shows us).

The Marines won, thanks to all those factors I mentioned, but people ignore them and say well Admirals were not going all out or the Akainu took down fodder Yonko Executive. Honestly the WB commanders outside the Marcos, Jozu, Vista, and Ace, seem pretty weak during the War and did not impress me at all. I would put the rest of them around Mont D'ors, Opera, and Gifter Headliners level, not near Oven or Daifuku or the Flying 6 level.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

ID escapees and BB Pirates were not in the equation when Marine HQ decided to face the WBP. So no you cannot include them. Marine HQ when going to war with WBP thought they were only facing the WBP and decided to call the Warlords in, even if the Warlords were not much of a help, the Marines still called them in. What I am saying is that the Marines feared 1 Yonko crew so much they called in 100,000 of there elite soldiers, all 3 admirals, all 7 Warlords although only 5/7 showed up, plotted WB's betrayal by Squardo, AND were in home territory with hundreds of cannons and 50 War ships and a plot to surround them with a thick steel wall personally made to defend from WB.

The Marines were scared they were still going to lose, even after having all that. Sengoku himself stated that they might lose the war. Sengoku, who knows how strong WB is and the Admirals, he is an impartial judge on their strength.

You say the Admirals didnt go all out because they didnt change the landscape or temperature, same for WB, we've seen how strong his DF is but we never saw it awakened, so if its already deadly imagine it Awakened (hopefully Teach shows us).

The Marines won, thanks to all those factors I mentioned, but people ignore them and say well Admirals were not going all out or the Akainu took down fodder Yonko Executive. Honestly the WB commanders outside the Marcos, Jozu, Vista, and Ace, seem pretty weak during the War and did not impress me at all. I would put the rest of them around Mont D'ors, Opera, and Gifter Headliners level, not near Oven or Daifuku or the Flying 6 level.

the marines prepared very well and didn't underestimate anyone , that's on them but they ended up winning the war very decisively, them not even factoring for those backups should even be further in favor for how well they dominated
if those backups didn't show up , the wb pirates would have los way worrse
not one time where the marines weren't in control of the battle

 

[albertwv]

the marines prepared very well and didn't underestimate anyone , that's on them but they ended up winning the war very decisively, them not even factoring for those backups should even be further in favor for how well they dominated
if those backups didn't show up , the wb pirates would have los way worrse
not one time where the marines weren't in control of the battle

Im not complaining that the Marines didnt lose and they were very well prepared as you said.

I am pointing out the factors that led the Marines to win the war, these factors played a HUGE role in winning the war. I am not saying Marine HQ + Warlords = 1 Yonko Crew. NO that is not the case but it is relevant on how huge of a threat a single Yonko crew is and to what lengths the Marines are willing to go to win a war with only 1 Yonko crew.
People miss that part and automatically assume Admiral = Yonko, when it clearly isnt.

Also, the marines lost control when the WBP were able to squeeze in through the wall, they lost control when they lost Ace, they lost control when Shanks stepped in.

 

[M3J]

why do people put the yonko so much higher then the admiral? I wouldn't be surprized if akainu could 1 vs 1 any yonko, and at least force a draw? I get maybe the low tier admirals are below the current yonko. But a yonko has never actually defeated an admiral or majorly damaged one? Also does it matter if garp+sengoku defeated shiki. That doesn't imply it took both of them to defeat them only that he was foolish to challenge both of them at once. Imagine if someone tired to fight kaido+big mom in a 1 on 2. It doesn't mean both of them were required to win only that someone was foolish enough to fight them in a 2 vs 1. It's likely either sengoku or garp, or at the very least garp, could win in a 1 vs 1 on shiki.

Because Whitebeard "took down" Akainu and wasn't stopped by Aokiji or Kizaru, I guess, even though all three of them were still fighting to the very end. They're also considering that the Marineford War Whitebeard was also much weaker than he was, and that at his peak he'd have done so much better. On top of that, the Yonkou are similar in power, so if he was the only one affected by age, then the other Emperors must theoretically be almost as strong as prime Whitebeard.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Because Whitebeard "took down" Akainu and wasn't stopped by Aokiji or Kizaru, I guess, even though all three of them were still fighting to the very end. They're also considering that the Marineford War Whitebeard was also much weaker than he was, and that at his peak he'd have done so much better. On top of that, the Yonkou are similar in power, so if he was the only one affected by age, then the other Emperors must theoretically be almost as strong as prime Whitebeard.

Saying he took down was always a reach and iffy when it was clearly a sneak attack ans he lost half his face in the process , akainu left him with the more fatal attack , and he wasn’t taken down , he just fell into a hole and was still Able to immediately recover and keep fighting

oh and kisaru absolutely got the better of WB , pinned down his Bisento with one leg and pierced WB twice and got away from their exchange cleanly

WB and Kuzan was indecisive because it literally got interrupted with neither side doing much to other

 

[albertwv]

Saying he took down was always a reach and iffy when it was clearly a sneak attack ans he lost half his face in the process , akainu left him with the more fatal attack , and he wasn’t taken down , he just fell into a hole and was still Able to immediately recover and keep fighting

oh and kisaru absolutely got the better of WB , pinned down his Bisento with one leg and pierced WB twice and got away from their exchange cleanly

WB and Kuzan was indecisive because it literally got interrupted with neither side doing much to other

OR WB took a magma punch straight to the face, manage to temporarily take out Akainu AND continue to fight the BBP until he was taken out by the whole group. I say thats more badass than Akainu continuing to fight the weakened WBP.

Also, Kizaru was nothing but a bug to WB, he probably didnt even feel Kizaru's lazer attacks. Just like Marco didnt feel Kizarus lazers. That attack didnt seem to slow down WB at all.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

OR WB took a magma punch straight to the face, manage to temporarily take out Akainu AND continue to fight the BBP until he was taken out by the whole group. I say thats more badass than Akainu continuing to fight the weakened WBP.

Also, Kizaru was nothing but a bug to WB, he probably didnt even feel Kizaru's lazer attacks. Just like Marco didnt feel Kizarus lazers. That attack didnt seem to slow down WB at all.

Saying kizaru did was a bug WB is an understatement , a hole to a chest isn’t getting bugged , it passed

And then he casually pinned his bisento to the ground with one foot and then looked away

if anything kizaru was the one treating WB like the inconvenience

 

[LadyVados]

I rate the Yonko higher than the admirals because of MF war. Yes WB took alot of damage from Akainu and couldnt properly finish him off but if you take in account all the damage and special circumstances that led to WB dying then you can see WB > Admirals.
Before MF war, the whole Marine HQ and Warlords were called in to fight 1 Yonko crew. That should tell you something. If Yonko = Admiral then why call the Warlords or 100k elite marines and Pacifistas and so on. They trapped WB in their own territory, had someone betray and stab WB, put up a wall to stop his DF punches, had Ace as a hostage and the Marines were lucky WB was in a bad health condition (The Marines were probably not aware of that). All these factors helped Marine HQ win the war.

Now put WB and Akainu or any admiral in a level playing field such as Punk Hazard before the TS. Then you will see a whole different outcome. WB will high diff Akainu. but still WB > Akainu.

People like to rate Akainu high because they believe he is EOS villain and therefore has to be stronger than anyone else if not then the story wont make sense. Also because Luffy has to defeat Akainu because of Ace.

Aokiji and Kizaru had to win their fights versus Marco and Jozu by taking advantage of them not being concentrated because of WB's illness. Then Kizaru had a VA put Marco on seastone, yet even after Kizaru lazered Marco, Marco was still not taken down.

We've seen Yonkos and how they handle (1-3 shot) YCs. Kaido vs G4 Luffy 1st time, BM vs Queen, Kaido vs 9RS, BM vs Marco, etc. Compare that to Admirals fighting YCs, the YCs actually looked like they had a chance.
In conclusion, Yonko > Admirals > YCs.

Marco did well against BM, I think WB's commanders might just be stronger than the rest.

--- Double Post Merged, May 13, 2021, Original Post Date: May 13, 2021 ---

Also, Kizaru was nothing but a bug to WB, he probably didnt even feel Kizaru's lazer attacks. Just like Marco didnt feel Kizarus lazers. That attack didnt seem to slow down WB at all.

This is the worst take I've heard in a while

 

[M3J]

Saying he took down was always a reach and iffy when it was clearly a sneak attack ans he lost half his face in the process , akainu left him with the more fatal attack , and he wasn’t taken down , he just fell into a hole and was still Able to immediately recover and keep fighting

oh and kisaru absolutely got the better of WB , pinned down his Bisento with one leg and pierced WB twice and got away from their exchange cleanly

WB and Kuzan was indecisive because it literally got interrupted with neither side doing much to other

I don't remember if it was a sneak attack, but Whitebeard was still standing and fighting even after losing part of his face. Despite all the injuries, it took Blackbeard and his crew continuously attacking Whitebeard for him to finally die. Akainu wasn't seen for a while after taking hits from Whitebeard.

But Whitebeard was still fighting and didn't really slow down from getting pierced by Kizaru, whereas other pirates have been taken down or stopped long enough.

From here, you can make the case that if weak and sick Whitebeard was still difficult to take down, then at his peak it'd be nearly impossible to take him down, and if other emperors are at similar strength, then same for them.

 

[LadyVados]

From here, you can make the case that if weak and sick Whitebeard was still difficult to take down, then at his peak it'd be nearly impossible to take him down, and if other emperors are at similar strength, then same for them.

Prime Whitebeard > all the other emperors

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I don't remember if it was a sneak attack, but Whitebeard was still standing and fighting even after losing part of his face. Despite all the injuries, it took Blackbeard and his crew continuously attacking Whitebeard for him to finally die. Akainu wasn't seen for a while after taking hits from Whitebeard.

But Whitebeard was still fighting and didn't really slow down from getting pierced by Kizaru, whereas other pirates have been taken down or stopped long enough.

From here, you can make the case that if weak and sick Whitebeard was still difficult to take down, then at his peak it'd be nearly impossible to take him down, and if other emperors are at similar strength, then same for them.

it was a sneak attack, akainu was chasing luffy and jinbei

akainu's back was turned and focused on someone else, he was essentially ambushed and wb lost half his face in the process, actually taking the more fatal wound