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Magu-chan has shifted from a median of 7 and mean of 6.9 from Issues #1-#13 (the first twelve of the year) to a median of 10 and mean of 9.6 from Issues #14-#25 (the previous twelve). In the TOCs it is experiencing a downward trend, although this is likely due to SD, TES, and WW entering the rankings.

Magu-chan went from 9.2k in 5 days with Vol 1 to 6.8k in 4 days with Vol 3. As much as I like the series, that isn't "phenomenal growth" and there is a pretty long list of manga that would be animated before it. The series is pretty niche and probably wouldn't appeal to the audience that normally watches WSJ anime.

I'd be surprised if it survived another two batches. It looks like it's wrapping up its story soon, and when it's over it will be a very satisfying and re-readable short story like Cop & Dolphin. That said, maybe Ayakashi and Undead will both get axed next batch and Magu will live (imagine the reactions to that lol).
Magu-chan just got a color page and is being promoted. I think its doing well in metrics we cant see. After all, declining series wouldn't get promotions, see Phantom Seer.
 

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Monthly Oricon Ranking (by Series): April (April 05 - May 02)

01. Jujutsu Kaisen (2,278,748)
03. Kimetsu no Yaiba (831,481)
04. Kingdom (702,835)
05. Boku no Hero Academia (640,952)
10. Dr. Stone (306,432)
12. Haikyuu!! (265,805)
13. Chainsaw Man (246,484)
14. Jujutsu Kaisen 0: Tokyo Toritsu Jujutsu Koutou Senmon Gakkou (244,451)
15. Yuru Camp △ (241,700)
20. Yakusoku no Neverland (201,812)

Can I ask how much Juju sales this year so far, how it looking like when it come the the top 10 best sales manga this year?
 

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Can I ask how much Juju sales this year so far, how it looking like when it come the the top 10 best sales manga this year?
In a few days the mid-year ranking will be released and we will be able to find out.
 

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Magu-chan just got a color page and is being promoted. I think its doing well in metrics we cant see. After all, declining series wouldn't get promotions, see Phantom Seer.
ToC placment wise Magu is the 2nd best performing of it's batch; though color pages I've learned aren't exactly a saving grace as there are multiple examples of a series having color pages 3 or so chapters before it ends.
 

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ToC placment wise Magu is the 2nd best performing of it's batch; though color pages I've learned aren't exactly a saving grace as there are multiple examples of a series having color pages 3 or so chapters before it ends.
magu chan is not doing so well in toc. Most of the time this is at the bottom, in addition to the fact that there was no improvement in sales.
 

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magu chan is not doing so well in toc. Most of the time this is at the bottom, in addition to the fact that there was no improvement in sales.
I think we should give Magu-Chan more time. Just look at this excellent post from @galaxy-juice below who put it so beautifully and eloquently...

In the TOCs it is experiencing a downward trend, although this is likely due to SD, TES, and WW entering the rankings.
Through no fault of its own, Magu-chan has experienced an anomalous shift not indicative of a decline in popularity.

It is clear that Magu-chan's ranking will be affected by the newer series that are still settling to their placements. As we've seen Ayakashi Triangle crash and burn and Blue Box and Candy Flurry enter the rankings, chances are very high that Magu-chan will be placed higher than one or many of these manga in time.

We just have to give it time.
 

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Magu-chan just got a color page and is being promoted. I think its doing well in metrics we cant see. After all, declining series wouldn't get promotions, see Phantom Seer.
Brilliant! I will use that sentence every time I want to defend a manga I like... 🤪

I read your posts over and over and I genuinely don't know if you're delusional or just a troll...
 

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magu chan is not doing so well in toc. Most of the time this is at the bottom, in addition to the fact that there was no improvement in sales.
When i'm talking about "2nd best" i'm not saying it's good really, but in comparison to both Triangle and Dolphin, which seem to consistently rank at the bottom for a quite some time now, it's middle to bottom hopping seems better by comparison
 

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When i'm talking about "2nd best" i'm not saying it's good really, but in comparison to both Triangle and Dolphin, which seem to consistently rank at the bottom for a quite some time now, it's middle to bottom hopping seems better by comparison
This is not enough to keep magu alive. Dolphin is almost dead and Ayakashi triangle is the only ecchi of WSJ and even with stagnant sales it is still better than magu. It would be bad to cancel Ayakashi triangle before magu.
 

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This is not enough to keep magu alive. Dolphin is almost dead
Dolphin isn't "almost dead". It's dead. I'm sure Tamura had the cancellation call a while ago at this point.
Ayakashi triangle is the only ecchi of WSJ and even with stagnant sales it is still better than magu. It would be bad to cancel Ayakashi triangle before magu.
What does that have to do with anything? Kowloon is Jump's only Spokon (if we perhaps ignore HSF's genre shift), and look how well that's doing ToC placment wise.
 

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I'm sad for Nine Dragons. It has been nice, despite being bit slow and the meh art.

I need to read HSF again, I have not followed this "transition" to spocon lmao
 

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I'm sad for Nine Dragons. It has been nice, despite being bit slow and the meh art.

I need to read HSF again, I have not followed this "transition" to spocon lmao
I reread it a few days ago, and it was better, at least for me
 

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I'm sad for Nine Dragons. It has been nice, despite being bit slow and the meh art.

I need to read HSF again, I have not followed this "transition" to spocon lmao
I don't know what went wrong with Nine Dragon's

It had:
  • Proper pacing
  • Well designed characters
  • No gimmicks
  • No fanservice
  • Relatable/Familiar plot and setting
  • Baseball games

I just pray it gets time to establish itself.
 

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Honestly I just don't think Ball Parade was very good past ch 1.

Nothing happened in ch 2 and 3 which are very critical chapters for gathering an initial fanbase, the MC quickly stops having a personality and only seems to exist to dump baseball terms at you, and the pitcher and batter guys instantly fall into the background after being recruited also losing all personality. It's a very character-focused baseball series with boring characters. The baseball parts themselves are fine but nothing that's going to get people reading for the sport alone despite the weak cast, there's no interesting composition or very dynamic panelling or anything like that.

Tsubaki is the series' only good point imo.
 

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Magu-chan just got a color page and is being promoted. I think its doing well in metrics we cant see. After all, declining series wouldn't get promotions, see Phantom Seer.
Phantom Seer wasn't "declining", it was at the bottom for nearly its entire run.

I never implied that Magu-chan wasn't doing well (it isn't, but just doing decently is a miracle these days), just that it isn't showing any kind of "phenomenal growth". Its growth is flat with a slight decline. But it's still doing well enough in the TOC to get a color page, just like Me & Roboco and HSF, so I'm happy for it. Doesn't really seem like there's any need to appeal to a mysterious metric we don't know of-- it's just the current trend.

Through no fault of its own, Magu-chan has experienced an anomalous shift not indicative of a decline in popularity.

It is clear that Magu-chan's ranking will be affected by the newer series that are still settling to their placements. As we've seen Ayakashi Triangle crash and burn and Blue Box and Candy Flurry enter the rankings, chances are very high that Magu-chan will be placed higher than one or many of these manga in time.

We just have to give it time.
Don't misunderstand, this has nothing to do with "settling to their placements". TES, ITC, WW, and KBP have already settled into their places: they pushed Magu down.

TES and WW replaced CM and WNL, which were both above Magu-chan. By that logic, Magu-chan should have kept the same placements. But it dropped by three.

I'm all for "giving it time", but keep in mind that in a few weeks C&D, ITC, and KBP will all be gone. At that point Magu comfortable position at the middle of the magazine will suddenly be the bottom of the magazine. But hey, there's still time for it to surprise us.
 

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It had a few chapters in a row without Andy, maybe that's why?

That said, the series has always went up and down a bunch, it could just be that there's less padding at the bottom right now so a chapter that maybe would've gotten 5th last a couple months ago now gets 3rd last. I think it's more than Dolphin is doing slightly better than usual, rather than Undead doing worse.
 
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