Jujutsu Kaisen Chapter 152 Discussion

[requiem46]

I think Maki's mom probably disliked Naoya strongly from the beginning. He spoke BS to everyone, so of course he would have said BS to her (for being a woman, about her trash daughters, and probably even about how her husband sucked and Naobito was cooler).

But since the Mother was a powerful sorcerer's wife, I think it's likely that she had a cursed technique as well to increase the odds of producing powerful male sorcerers offsprings (but they turned out to be female twins, and one of them with the heavenly restriction, so of course she'd be blamed and not her husband).

As far as we know, only the males have been killed (with the exception of the mother, Maki hasn't attacked any females) and the jujutsu higher ups already want to discard the Zenin clan as a sorcerer clan. Momo was 100% right in the way females are treated in jujutsu society I think. Hell, statistically there MUST be female sorcerers in this clan, and some should be pretty powerful. Those would only have a terrible flaw called "being women" that makes them unable to join the Zenin clan elite teams

 

[Buulord]

When you think about it... Given the precedent with Toji, what they did to Maki was really poor decision making. Heavenly Restriction can potentially give birth to one of the strongest asset of the clan and the moves made by the clan were:
- Bullying her
- Marginalizing her
- Killing her sister, which was her main restraint
- Putting her in a critical situation (which is the best condition in order to make someone power bloom)

I mean, not considering the outer obliteration of the clan when you already had a Zenin Toji is kind of dumb

Pride, plain and simple. They valued having cursed power for generations and to recognize someone in their clan without any as being stronger than everyone else with it was too much. The clan was ridiculously conservative in its view and that’s why they’re being destroyed from within now.

 

[animeangryfan4]

one month break? I guess that made sense given the unfinished art some time ago. The spoiler made things vague
maki tried to kill her mom, given what she said she likely were an asshole so I guess it made sense but why did the MOM kill Naoya? Its eays to doslike him but she did nto seem like an oppurtunistic bastard now that her husband is gone and all. So teh break happens just as we see the Jujutsu Leaders? There goes Makis dream fo ruling the Zeni, she instead decided to destroy them.
What a mixed situation.

 

[Ratedhook522]

The clan were simply a bunch of hypocrites who realized that with megumi and maki their traditionalist style would have been broken so instead of admitting they were wrong all along they decided to kill the 2 to preserve their fucked up ways and killing Mai along the way knowing that she would have gone to avenge her sister. The clans pride was just too high to be broken after all it was their fault 2 monsters who had zero curse powers were born, one being megumi’s father who was dubbed the sorcerer killer and the other being maki whose just killed basically all of the clan.

 

[Ero-Sanji]

Pride, plain and simple. They valued having cursed power for generations and to recognize someone in their clan without any as being stronger than everyone else with it was too much. The clan was ridiculously conservative in its view and that’s why they’re being destroyed from within now.

Everything you wrote is true, but this seem to have been shared (but not to the same extent) across the entire jujutsu world (at least Japan). Remember, Goto created an entire cult around the superiority of those with cursed power over those that have none, citing Tojo himself by referring to non-curse users as monkeys. I believe this is one of the things that Gojo wanted the new generation to destroy.

 

[Static]

It still fascinates me as to how much impact Toji's actions had on the Jujutsu world.

 

[Riverskull]

Toji is pretty much the Itachi of JJK lmao

 

[Neala897]

Toji is pretty much the Itachi of JJK lmao

Wrong Zenin

 

[Epic_Rider]

When you think about it... Given the precedent with Toji, what they did to Maki was really poor decision making. Heavenly Restriction can potentially give birth to one of the strongest asset of the clan and the moves made by the clan were:
- Bullying her
- Marginalizing her
- Killing her sister, which was her main restraint
- Putting her in a critical situation (which is the best condition in order to make someone power bloom)

I mean, not considering the outer obliteration of the clan when you already had a Zenin Toji is kind of dumb

Considering how much Toji traumatized them, I wonder if they didn't take advantage of Maki being a weaker version of him to torment her even more.

Toji is pretty much the Itachi of JJK lmao

That's an insult to Itachi though.

He forced himself to kill his family to stop a war. Toji killed someone for money even though he knew it could mess up the entire country (or world)

 

[Riverskull]

Considering how much Toji traumatized them, I wonder if they didn't take advantage of Maki being a weaker version of him to torment her even more.



That's an insult to Itachi though.

He forced himself to kill his family to stop a war. Toji killed someone for money even though he knew it could mess up the entire country (or world)

I mean, i get you, but i made the comparison solely based in the amount of wank the characters gets in their respective series, even after death lol.

 

[Ero-Sanji]

Itachi is too poorly written to be equated with Toji imo.

 

[Franz]

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 10, 2021, Original Post Date: Jun 10, 2021 ---

第152話「葦を啣むー跋（ばつ）ー」
chapter 152: perfect preparation - Afterward -　

「母さん」
"Mother"

「いや…… 来ないで！！」
"No... stay away!!"

食事の支度を行っている禪院家の台所のあちこちに、血が飛び散っている。
Here and there, blood is flying in the kitchen.

「母さん お願い
　聞いて」
"Mother, please.
Listen."

「どぉして…！？
　どぉしてアナタは！！」
"Why..!?"
"Why.. you!!"

そして、米を炊いている釜が吹きこぼれる。
And then the pot of rice is knocked over

「あの時なんで 「戻れ」って言ったの？」
"Why did you ask me to turn back?"

「………？
　……？？何の話？」
"………？
......?? What are you talking about?"

怯えた表情を浮かべ、禪院真希（ぜんいんまき）の母親がいった。
Maki's mother is there with a scared expression

「……」

「…いや！！」
"...No!!"

その言葉に真希は何も言わず、ゆっくりと一歩づつ母親へと歩み寄る。
Maki didn't say anything, just slowly approached her.

「いやぁっ！！」
"No!!"

「………」

「いやよ！！」
"No!!!"

そして 　　　
「いっ 　　　」
And then
"N- 　　　"

台所に、再び血が飛び散った 　　　
Blood flies in the kitchen again

禪院家のあちこちに、無惨な亡骸が横たわっている。
Corpses are everywhere in the Zenin house
Naoya is lying on the floor after losing to Maki

「フーッ フーッ」

「フーッ」



「…クックックッ 」
"Kukuku" (laughter)

「ツメが甘いんじゃ」
"Didn't follow through"

「クソ女ぁ…！！」
"Damn bitch!!"

Maki and Mai's mother appears with the knife.

「～～～ざっ けんなや！！」
"You've gotta be kidding me!!"

（……呪力が練れん）
(Can't use my cursed energy )

「ドブカス……がぁ！！」
"Fucking trash!!"

「あぁ……」
"Ah..."

「産んで…… よかった……」
"It was good... that I gave birth to them..."

虚な目をした真希の母親の脳裏に、幼い頃お花畑で楽しそうに遊ぶ真希と真依（まい）の姿が蘇った 　　　
In Maki's mother's mind, she sees a vision of small Maki and Mai having fun in a field of flowers

真依の遺体を担いで禪院家を出た真希に、西宮桃（にしみやもも）が駆け寄る。
Maki who's carrying Mai's body exits the Zenin compound and Nishimiya Momo runs up to her.

「真依ちゃん！！」
"Mai-chan!!"

しかし、真希の表情で西宮は全てを悟る。
But she can understand from the look on Maki's face.

「だから」
「私は…」
「行くなって……！！」
"That's why... I said... to not go!!"

そういった西宮が崩れ落ちる。
Then Momo crumples

そして、そんな西宮の横に真依を下ろし、真希がいった。
Maki puts Mai down next to her

「…後 頼む」
"I'll leave her to you"

「これからどうするの 真希ちゃん」
"What are you going to do now, Maki-chan?"

しかし、真希はその言葉に何も返さず、黙ってその場を立ち去った 　　　
But she says nothing and just leaves

その日 禪院家に不在だった”炳（へい）”6名
”躯倶留隊（くくるたい）”21名が 間もなく 非業の死を遂げる
That day, 6 members of Hei and 21 members of the Kukuru squad were announced as mysteriously dead

現場に残穢は確認されず
遺体の傷口からは 凶器の呪具のものとみられる呪力が
微かに検出された
No residue was found at the scene
The wounds were determined to contain traces of cursed energy from a Cursed Tool

後日 五条家および加茂家から呪術総監部に対し
禪院家の 御三家除名が提議され 総監はこれを保留としている
Afterwards, the Gojo and Kamo clans proposed to the higher ups that the Zenin clan be removed from the 3 Clans but they put that decision on hold.

『呪術廻戦』第152話 ／ おわり
Chapter ends.

 

[requiem46]

Looks like the twins' mother really hated Naoya all along, but she was just too coward to stand up to him and the other men in the family. But deep down she was happy that the twins were born, which is something (I don't think Maki will ever know that, though).

Judging from Momo's lines, it looks like Mai might have been summoned back to the household and Momo thought it was a trap, but Mai went there anyways. When Mai was taking too long to come back or hadn't called her, she probably went out looking for her, but found Maki with her body instead

 

[Franz]

 

[Neala897]

This scene with Naoya and Mom reminds me of old japanese historical movies. But if Maki really attacked her mother I cant see her being alive at the end. I have always though she and Yuta would eventually get together at the end and start a family but now I dont feel that way.

 

[Franz]

. But if Maki really attacked her mother I cant see her being alive at the end.

Why ?

 

[Hamy]

Uh... if Naoya was killed with a plain knife wouldn't that potentially allow him to come back as a vengeful spirit? I recall that a sorcerer needs to be killed with a jujutsu or there is a risk of them becoming a vengeful spirit... So I dunno if this will end up being the last we see of Naoya now.

 

[Static]

Uh... if Naoya was killed with a plain knife wouldn't that potentially allow him to come back as a vengeful spirit? I recall that a sorcerer needs to be killed with a jujutsu or there is a risk of them becoming a vengeful spirit... So I dunno if this will end up being the last we see of Naoya now.

I completely forgot about this lol. It's totally possible, unless the mother imbued her cursed energy into the knife.

 

[Franz]

Uh... if Naoya was killed with a plain knife wouldn't that potentially allow him to come back as a vengeful spirit? I recall that a sorcerer needs to be killed with a jujutsu or there is a risk of them becoming a vengeful spirit... So I dunno if this will end up being the last we see of Naoya now.

It will probably have something to do with the fact that it was devoid of cursed energy.

 

[requiem46]

Uh... if Naoya was killed with a plain knife wouldn't that potentially allow him to come back as a vengeful spirit? I recall that a sorcerer needs to be killed with a jujutsu or there is a risk of them becoming a vengeful spirit... So I dunno if this will end up being the last we see of Naoya now.

Yeah, he could come back in case the mother used a normal knife. But living in a sorcer family, wouldn't the mother know about it? She probably used cursed energy on that blade to prevent it. In fact, that knife might even be a cursed tool created by herself (Mai's technique was construction, she might have inherited from her mother).

I guess we'll find out eventually, though