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Ok, I see.
But the fact that she can open portals does open the possibility that the reason the effect of her powering up is felt in Merc's city, is because the power leaks through the portals she possibly opened across the continent and Elentir.
I find that explanation far more plausible and logical than Selene powering up made ripples across an another dimension simply by it's pure strength. Like, how does that even make sense? DGs powering up don't even make climate wack in another continent. We didn't see Merc powering up causing climate to act wack in Fiore for eg. Sure he was nerfed, but him being <= 50% of his full power can't be the difference between him not affecting a continent vs him affecting ANOTHER DIMENSION.

Also, this ability to open up portal is what I called dimension magic. I suppose it wasn't clear earlier, but I hope it's clear now. We're talking about the same thing, refer it to what you will, it's just nomenclature.


How much do you think Acno is, compared to DGs?
Acno vs full power Selene for eg, I assume you think Selene wins. But what diff?


Ok, I understand Attack potency now.
Which character has the ability to cause continent wide destruction though? The highest destructive power we've ever seen in the series was August's ars magica, but that was a suicide spell and was only country level.
For Acno to have continental AP, he must be able to damage characters capable of continent level destruction, right? Who is that character?

Also, this
" Hence, characters that destroy mountains or islands are not automatically mountain or island level, especially if they are small. The attack potency depends on the energy output of a single attack, not the area of effect of the attack. "
A character who can destroy an island isn't automatically island level? Why? Obviously if an attack destroys an island, it must have the energy output to do so.
I understand the scenario where island is small.
What do you see that suggests it’s magic power leaking through portal and not off pure strength? I mean that would have been easy to illustrate. Like all the damage Aldoron caused and that lifting the ocean feat for Merc. Instead we got a pretty straight forward explanation about raw power and getting serious. I’m down to listen more though.

I think that Acno can beat all of them so far because of Hax. I’ve got him as on their level, but believe that they’ve surpassed him because if they haven’t theirs no real danger at all, which is hard to come by in this story as it is.


The only spell Acno casts covered Ishgar. Also the calcs given for Fiore are large enough that vaporizing it is continental at worst. Zeref is a tier above them, and he’s scared shitless of Acno. Which makes sense if the best humans can do is large cont-multi, and an evil world shaking dragon is running around. An it was the nature of the spell that made it suicidal, not the strain lol.
 

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How is Acno weaker than the dragon gods?
I think he's stronger than nerfed Merc but not them at full power. Aldoron while nerfed already has arguably better feats than Acno. All of them at full power? No chance.
 

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I think he's stronger than nerfed Merc but not them at full power. Aldoron while nerfed already has arguably better feats than Acno. All of them at full power? No chance.
Acno would 100% lose if he fought all of them at once, I agree. But 1 on 1, I'd say he'd beat all of them. He could low diff August and Irene who both scales massively above Brandish who has country level feats. The dragon gods are on the same level, the only difference is Aldoron has better DC feats than Acno, AP they should be the same IMO. However, what really makes stronger than the dragon gods individually is him being the dragon of magic, he's much more resistant to magic than they are AND he can power up by eating their attacks, so they'd have to rely purely on physicals while he can use both magic and physicals.
 

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Acno would 100% lose if he fought all of them at once, I agree. But 1 on 1, I'd say he'd beat all of them. He could low diff August and Irene who both scales massively above Brandish who has country level feats. The dragon gods are on the same level, the only difference is Aldoron has better DC feats than Acno, AP they should be the same IMO. However, what really makes stronger than the dragon gods individually is him being the dragon of magic, he's much more resistant to magic than they are AND he can power up by eating their attacks, so they'd have to rely purely on physicals while he can use both magic and physicals.
I think Aldoron could pummel him with physicals. Also, Acnologia technically isn't immune, he's highly resistant like the other slayers. But he was killed with a magic attack that he should've ate if he was immune, it wouldn't have mattered whether he was paralyzed or not. Ice has beaten Gray, fire has beaten Natsu, etc. Slayers aren't immune, yet rather highly resistant.

With enough spam, the dragon gods can definitely overcome it. I don't see why you brought up the Spriggans when Selene is no diffing a stronger character in Suzaku without trying.
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Acno would 100% lose if he fought all of them at once, I agree. But 1 on 1, I'd say he'd beat all of them.
I didn't say all at once. I said in a 1v1, he can only beat Nerfed Mercphobia. All of them at full power or even Aldoron while nerfed could beat him imo.
 

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What do you see that suggests it’s magic power leaking through portal and not off pure strength? I mean that would have been easy to illustrate. Like all the damage Aldoron caused and that lifting the ocean feat for Merc. Instead we got a pretty straight forward explanation about raw power and getting serious. I’m down to listen more though.

I think that Acno can beat all of them so far because of Hax. I’ve got him as on their level, but believe that they’ve surpassed him because if they haven’t theirs no real danger at all, which is hard to come by in this story as it is.


The only spell Acno casts covered Ishgar. Also the calcs given for Fiore are large enough that vaporizing it is continental at worst. Zeref is a tier above them, and he’s scared shitless of Acno. Which makes sense if the best humans can do is large cont-multi, and an evil world shaking dragon is running around. An it was the nature of the spell that made it suicidal, not the strain lol.
We don't know what caused it. If you saying it's her sheer power instead of portals doing it, For me it makes more sense that her powering up causing climate to act wack is a result of her dimension magic.
Why? Because these two worlds have no connection apart from Selene's portals - They don't even exist in the same realm. To claim it's her sheer power alone, with no attribution to dimension magic, that is causing this seems ridiculous to me.
Merc raising ocean and Aldo causing massive havoc not even comparable to affecting another dimension through sheer power lol.

I honestly think Acno >= them in stats as well. For me, Acno exerted a much more dominant and deadly aura.
Sure, they have shown better DC and AOE. But, I don't hold high DC and AOE in that high regards, sure it's an indication of great power, but not everything. Current Erza is probably small town level in DC and AOE, yet can one shot characters capable of city/island DC and AOE. For me, "attack potency" that was discussed earlier is a better indicator of power.
Surpassing Acno isn't necessary for real danger. Because nobody in x792 even came close to landing a scratch on Acno. Acno still can one shot every non dragon character in 100YQ except DF Natsu and Suzaku, who he can low diff.

Which spell was that, eternal flare? It was continental in AOE, but not DC. It was a million energy blasts sent across the continent.
So yes, the highest pure DC we've ever seen in the series was Ars magica, which was country level, that too by a suicide spell.
You're saying Fiore is continent size? Meh, I know the calc you're referring to. It's based on scaling from some map, and using distance mentioned by Warrod, right? Nothing really inaccurate about the calc itself, but trying to scale from manga drawings is itself a mistake IMO. As far as I'm concerned, Mashima just meant for Fiore to be a regular country, he likely never even thought of all the stuff you think of while doing calcs.

Ok, for this to be theorized then you would need to show me where any portal is currently opening. Actually, the latest chapter helps out the idea of it being her power since it was he who started the issues going on with magic and Elentir is on the verge of exploding as confirmed by the WW.



He was nerfed half of his strength. Do you thing a 50% Acnologia could cause the amount of destruction he did? Absolutely not. Also consider Mercphobia's words confirm it's due to the strength of a "Dragon God."



Sure, doesn't change my original point.



Any Dragon God at full power beats Acnologia high diff max. It's time to let go of old villians. There was once a time when Hades was seen as the ultimate unbeatable villian, yet he was also replaced by someone stronger.



No, by scaling, he is massively above Irene and August who are easily continental level. Mercuphobia and Aldoron already showed continental level feats by one casually flipping over an entire ocean, and Aldoron is pretty self explanatory. In terms of Acnologia? Easy, he was already showing casual country level feats by killing God Serena the way he did. With the RoT power-up and eternal flares? Easily, continental.




How did said person destroy an Island is what matters. Can they do it on their own, or is it a one-time power-up?
What I'm saying is jut a theory based on what we know Selene can do. Explained in more detail in reply to Nova.
We don't know if it's her sheer power, or dimension magic + sheer power doing it. I find the latter more convincing, that's all.

Elentir has always had issues with magic swelling up and all, which was why the order of white priestesses has existed like forever.
Selene just made it go even more wack by opening up portals, and something she's doing is preventing the powers of those responsible for nullifying the excess magic not work. We don't know what exactly. Selene even did it to WW back in Aldo arc, it seems she has the ability to cancel out white out.
As far as I understand, what's happening to Elentir now mainly a result of Selene opening up portals making the swelling of magic worse + her preventing the white out powers from working. Not a result of her sheer power.


My point about Merc was this.
50% of nerf can't be the difference between being dimensional, vs not even affecting another continent (Fiore in Ishgar).
To put this is perspective. Lets say 100 is dimensional. Obviously being dimensional in AOE dwarfs being continental AOE. If 100 is dimensional, 0.1 should be continental, not 50. Maybe you don't agree with the scaling, but I hope the point is clear.
 

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What I'm saying is jut a theory based on what we know Selene can do. Explained in more detail in reply to Nova.
We don't know if it's her sheer power, or dimension magic + sheer power doing it. I find the latter more convincing, that's all.
You don't find Merc's literal words convincing? That's a you issue.

Elentir has always had issues with magic swelling up and all, which was why the order of white priestesses has existed like forever.
Selene just made it go even more wack by opening up portals, and something she's doing is preventing the powers of those responsible for nullifying the excess magic not work. We don't know what exactly. Selene even did it to WW back in Aldo arc, it seems she has the ability to cancel out white out.
As far as I understand, what's happening to Elentir now mainly a result of Selene opening up portals making the swelling of magic worse + her preventing the white out powers from working. Not a result of her sheer power.
No it wasn't. It's all due to Selene according to Mystogan and Touka. The only reason Elentir is asking for help is because Selene disturbed the balance.

My point about Merc was this.
50% of nerf can't be the difference between being dimensional, vs not even affecting another continent (Fiore in Ishgar).
To put this is perspective. Lets say 100 is dimensional. Obviously being dimensional in AOE dwarfs being continental AOE. If 100 is dimensional, 0.1 should be continental, not 50. Maybe you don't agree with the scaling, but I hope the point is clear.
There's no such thing as being dimensional. She can just open portals. Dimensional AoE doesn't exist. Where are you pulling these terms? Yes, the dragon gods are continental due to scaling and feats calculated. Fun fact, Naruto has never busted a country but are we really going to act like EoS Naruto isn't massively above country? Exactly my point.
 

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No it wasn't. It's all due to Selene according to Mystogan and Touka. The only reason Elentir is asking for help is because Selene disturbed the balance.
No, Elentir always had issues, which was why the white priestess order was established in the first place. It's all mentioned in this chapter


Selene didn't disturb the balance, there was no balance to begin with. She just exasperated the already unstable situation by preventing the white priestesses from doing their job. It seems Selene has an ability to cancel white out, as we saw in Aldo arc, and as mentioned in the latest chapter

There's no such thing as being dimensional. She can just open portals. Dimensional AoE doesn't exist. Where are you pulling these terms? Yes, the dragon gods are continental due to scaling and feats calculated. Fun fact, Naruto has never busted a country but are we really going to act like EoS Naruto isn't massively above country? Exactly my point.
Ok wait.

So how else do you think she's effecting Earthland, which is in another dimension from Elentir?

Unless you think the reason her powering up is affecting climate in earthland is because of portals, it has to be because she's affecting another dimension through sheer power.

Am I missing something here?

If you're saying DGs are continental, ok sure. That's a reasonable claim.
 

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No, Elentir always had issues, which was why the white priestess order was established in the first place. It's all mentioned in this chapter

Selene didn't disturb the balance, there was no balance to begin with. She just exasperated the already unstable situation by preventing the white priestesses from doing their job. It seems Selene has an ability to cancel white out, as we saw in Aldo arc, and as mentioned in the latest chapter
Because of Selene. Touka explains this to team Natsu.

So how else do you think she's effecting Earthland, which is in another dimension from Elentir?
No, it's a different world altogether. She's so strong, she can do that.

Unless you think the reason her powering up is affecting climate in earthland is because of portals, it has to be because she's affecting another dimension through sheer power.
It is sheer power. It's confirmed.

Am I missing something here?
No.

If you're saying DGs are continental, ok sure. That's a reasonable claim.
They're in that range easily but I won't shut down the idea of them being moon level or even surface wipers.
 

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Not that affecting other dimension means anything to me, but in Selene's case, she's being buffed by Elentir. While she's there she should be stronger than other god dragons
 

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Not that affecting other dimension means anything to me, but in Selene's case, she's being buffed by Elentir. While she's there she should be stronger than other god dragons
Aldoron did it.
 

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What? Since when did Aldoron affect another dimension?
Not in the case of causing natural disasters. However, when he went full ballistic, Selene could feel it all the way from Elentir.
 

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I think Aldoron could pummel him with physicals. Also, Acnologia technically isn't immune, he's highly resistant like the other slayers. But he was killed with a magic attack that he should've ate if he was immune, it wouldn't have mattered whether he was paralyzed or not. Ice has beaten Gray, fire has beaten Natsu, etc. Slayers aren't immune, yet rather highly resistant.

With enough spam, the dragon gods can definitely overcome it. I don't see why you brought up the Spriggans when Selene is no diffing a stronger character in Suzaku without trying.
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I didn't say all at once. I said in a 1v1, he can only beat Nerfed Mercphobia. All of them at full power or even Aldoron while nerfed could beat him imo.
We don't really have anything that proves Aldo's physicals are so much stronger than Acno's. The dragon gods only know about Acno from 400 years ago, they didn't know Acno got stronger between Tartaros and Alvarez, and then got another power up by eating the ravines of time. If anything, Acno should pummel Aldo in physicals.

Never said Acno was immune to magic, I said he's much more resistant than they are. Yes, Acno got beat by magic, but you have to remember that he was unable to move/defend himself, and the fact that the attack one shot RoT Acno means it would also one shot any dragon god who is in the same situation. He could've definitely eaten the attack if he wasn't paralyzed, actually he was going to overpower it with one of his own.

Selene is not no difficulty Suzaku, he drew blood, better to say she's low-diff him. She even said shes getting a little serious, you don't get serious if you can low diff someone. Suzaku's strong, no doubt, but I wouldn't say he's stronger than August. August has too much hax so it doesn't matter that he can't copy his magic. Also, even if Suzaku is stronger than August, what does that prove? Acno would've no diffed August considering he couldn't react to him blitzing Serena, why would Suzaku be any different?
 

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We don't really have anything that proves Aldo's physicals are so much stronger than Acno's. The dragon gods only know about Acno from 400 years ago, they didn't know Acno got stronger between Tartaros and Alvarez, and then got another power up by eating the ravines of time. If anything, Acno should pummel Aldo in physicals.
He's a giant wood dragon and Acno lost his arm to a half dead Igneel. Yes we do. Acno get's beat up like a child. The RoT power-up didn't help his physicals, it just gave him BFR and rapid spam.

Also, we don't know how much stronger Acno got in between the arcs, it's unquantifiable.

Never said Acno was immune to magic, I said he's much more resistant than they are. Yes, Acno got beat by magic, but you have to remember that he was unable to move/defend himself, and the fact that the attack one shot RoT Acno means it would also one shot any dragon god who is in the same situation. He could've definitely eaten the attack if he wasn't paralyzed, actually he was going to overpower it with one of his own.
Doesn't matter if he couldn't move. He one-shot his human spirit form. Any of the DGS dragon form eat it for breakfast. Playing the "if" game doesn't really matter here. Shoulda woulda coulda.

Selene is not no difficulty Suzaku, he drew blood, better to say she's low-diff him. She even said shes getting a little serious, you don't get serious if you can low diff someone. Suzaku's strong, no doubt, but I wouldn't say he's stronger than August. August has too much hax so it doesn't matter that he can't copy his magic. Also, even if Suzaku is stronger than August, what does that prove? Acno would've no diffed August considering he couldn't react to him blitzing Serena, why would Suzaku be any different?
He drew blood and then couldn't land an attack after. She's been laughing at him and toying with him all this time. You think August, who ran away from Acno, is stronger than Suzaku, who drew blood against someone stronger than Acno? That's exactly why I brought him up. Also, how are you going to ask me "what does it prove" when you brought up the Spriggans anyways.

The same attack that drew blood from Selene is one-shotting any Spriggan.

No, he didn't.
Yes, he did.
 
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He's a giant wood dragon and Acno lost his arm to a half dead Igneel. Yes we do. Acno get's beat up like a child. The RoT power-up didn't help his physicals, it just gave him BFR and rapid spam.

Also, we don't know how much stronger Acno got in between the arcs, it's unquantifiable.



Doesn't matter if he couldn't move. He one-shot his human spirit form. Any of the DGS dragon form eat it for breakfast. Playing the "if" game doesn't really matter here. Shoulda woulda coulda.



He drew blood and then couldn't land an attack after. She's been laughing at him and toying with him all this time. You think August, who ran away from Acno, is stronger than Suzaku, who drew blood against someone stronger than Acno? That's exactly why I brought him up. Also, how are you going to ask me "what does it prove" when you brought up the Spriggans anyways.

The same attack that drew blood from Selene is one-shotting any Spriggan.
How is losing an arm to half dead Igneel an anti feat for Acno? That's a feat for Igneel, it shows how strong he was, Acno's already gotten enough feats and statements to prove he won't get ragdolled by dragon gods. Half dead Igneel can low diff pretty much any Spriggan. The RoT regardless gave him a gigantic power up, dragon gods with their current feats and statements are not on the same league as him. Doesnt matter if his strength after 400 years is unquantifiable, dragon gods only scale to him from 400 years ago (his weakest state other than before he learned DS magic). Until we get statements that they knew about his power ups, it'll stay like this.

"Shoulda woulda coulda" yet you say the dragon gods could eat that attack while being paralyzed because??? Actually thinking back, Acno was trying to defend himself from the attack but he forgot he lost an arm, so maybe he would've survived but would've taken massive damage. Doesnt matter since at that stage, he was both stronger and more resistant to magic than the dragon gods, so they'll share the same fate as him with their current showings.

Yea, she tried no diffing, failed and got blood drawn, then she explicitly stated she's more serious now. Nothing screams no diff here. If Acno were serious about killing Suzaku, he'd also get one shot too. Suzaku drew a bit of blood from Selene, who again, is both weaker and has much less resistant to magic than Acno. So if she got a little scratch, Acno will take 0 damage.

Sure, Suzaku could one shot August, yet August can also one shot Suzaku with crush magic.
 

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How is losing an arm to half dead Igneel an anti feat for Acno? That's a feat for Igneel, it shows how strong he was, Acno's already gotten enough feats and statements to prove he won't get ragdolled by dragon gods. Half dead Igneel can low diff pretty much any Spriggan. The RoT regardless gave him a gigantic power up, dragon gods with their current feats and statements are not on the same league as him. Doesnt matter if his strength after 400 years is unquantifiable, dragon gods only scale to him from 400 years ago (his weakest state other than before he learned DS magic). Until we get statements that they knew about his power ups, it'll stay like this.
RoT is useless because it wasn't a power-up for physicals. And yes it's an anti-feat because this was Igneel at a massive nerf, almost 50% less power, so him dealing with a "prime" Aldoron when he has the size and DC advantage by a massive margin. What? You think the dragon gods only scale to Acno from 400 years ago? Not even Tenrou? lol.

"Shoulda woulda coulda" yet you say the dragon gods could eat that attack while being paralyzed because??? Actually thinking back, Acno was trying to defend himself from the attack but he forgot he lost an arm, so maybe he would've survived but would've taken massive damage. Doesnt matter since at that stage, he was both stronger and more resistant to magic than the dragon gods, so they'll share the same fate as him with their current showings.
Because we've seen their durability feats? His human spirit form was not stronger than the dragon gods. I don't know where these conclusions are coming from.

Yea, she tried no diffing, failed and got blood drawn, then she explicitly stated she's more serious now. Nothing screams no diff here. If Acno were serious about killing Suzaku, he'd also get one shot too. Suzaku drew a bit of blood from Selene, who again, is both weaker and has much less resistant to magic than Acno. So if she got a little scratch, Acno will take 0 damage.
Show me her being serious then. She said that yet she's laughing when using her spells. Selene is stronger than Acno so her getting blood drawn isn't an anti-feat for her since Acno would've had blood drawn as well. Resistance, there is a limit.

Sure, Suzaku could one shot August, yet August can also one shot Suzaku with crush magic.
Yea and Evergreen can one-shot anyone with her stone eyes. The likelihood of August one-shotting is much mcuh less than vice versa.
 

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RoT is useless because it wasn't a power-up for physicals. And yes it's an anti-feat because this was Igneel at a massive nerf, almost 50% less power, so him dealing with a "prime" Aldoron when he has the size and DC advantage by a massive margin. What? You think the dragon gods only scale to Acno from 400 years ago? Not even Tenrou? lol.



Because we've seen their durability feats? His human spirit form was not stronger than the dragon gods. I don't know where these conclusions are coming from.



Show me her being serious then. She said that yet she's laughing when using her spells. Selene is stronger than Acno so her getting blood drawn isn't an anti-feat for her since Acno would've had blood drawn as well. Resistance, there is a limit.



Yea and Evergreen can one-shot anyone with her stone eyes. The likelihood of August one-shotting is much mcuh less than vice versa.
How is it useless? 😂. It boosts his magic attacks, that isn't useless at all. Again, that's not an anti-feat for Acno, that's a great feat for Igneel. That just proves how strong Igneel was in his prime, him being the dragon king and his son being a dragon god further proves that. Also Zeref confirmed that Acno hadn't gone all out when he met up with him before Alvarez, so him fighting Igneel wasn't him trying his best. Acno can spam eternal flare on Aldoron, don't see the problem. And yes, until we get a statement saying the dragon gods knew that Acno powered up massively, we can only scale them to the last version of Acno they've seen. That's not saying they're weak at all btw, since Acno from 400 years ago is still stronger than the entire Alvarez Empire.

And we've also seen Acno's durability feats. No paralyzed dragon god with their current feats is surviving the attack that killed Acno. Plus, we can use scaling. Acno can casually kill Spriggans and no sell their attacks whether they be physical or magical, so that means he can no sell Brandish's giant form country level attacks. Irene and August scale massively above her and Acno scales massively above them. Acno should also scale to/above the dragon gods since they only scale to his weakest version. Acno's human spirit form could definitely beat a dragon god. He'd power up any time they use a magic attack and he's already extremely strong.

She outright said she's being more serious so she's using stronger attacks,, and the moon massively enlarged which her minions commented on saying that it only happens when she gets serious. You can't deny she's putting some effort, even if it's a little, but it's for sure not a no diff.

Except Evergreen would get one shot beforehand as she couldn't even react to Gray whereas August was blitzing Gildarts and casually moved faster than Mira could see. He also has slowing magic and sound magic. Erza could react to Suzaku, he hasn't shown anything that proves he can blitz August. If anything, Suzaku has less of a chance of one shooting August than he does of getting one shot.
 
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