It's really not. Zeref would need to get FH for the lot of them to even be a threat to Igneel. Without it Igneel soloes all spriggans and Zeref.
No, Zeref's curse of contradiction can kill a dragon god, and even then Aldaron was tanking it. Besides, in order to use it against Igneel he'd have to nerf himself to fodder. as in weaker than Ultear, aka oneshottable by Igneel. It's not a threat, Igneel would accidentally K.O Zeref just by roaring.
No, Igneel is Acno tier in every sense of the word. Acnologia, with immunity to Igneel's magic, still could not manage to defeat Igneel without losing an arm. You realize what that means right? An Acno tier fighter, who has the exact same advantage over Igneel that you are claiming August has, still only beat Igneel extreme diff, after getting temporarily knocked out and also losing an arm. August has absolutely no chance against Igneel, it's not even close, it's not even a challenge. It's like base Natsu pointlessly punching Aldaron, August isn't even worth Igneel's notice. Igneel just ignores August til he dies of old age. He doesn't need to use his Fire DS magic on him, he doesn't need to use his claws or teeth on him, he could literally just wait until August gets tired and gives up, and that's probably what he would do too, because Igneel is a nice guy. Igneel literally beats August with kindness lmao.
Logically they'll just keep eating each other's magic.
Natsu didn't have any favorable matchups in Alvarez lol, Natsu's doesn't have an advantage over anyone who isn't a fire magic.
Your explanation was simply faulty.
Literally this. Could not have written it better myself. One thing I'll add is that Zeref's curse wouldn't do anything as Igneel would just use his claws to swat this guy away. Aldoron only took it because of how massive he is.
Literally this. Could not have written it better myself. One thing I'll add is that Zeref's curse wouldn't do anything as Igneel would just use his claws to swat this guy away. Aldoron only took it because of how massive he is.
True, it's not like Igneel would fight on the ground anyway. He'd just nuke the lot of them from the sky. August and Zeref are the only ones who'd survive it, and that's under the extremely generous assumption August can copy/null Igneel's magic.
Yea, Romeo with August's hax and Irene's enchantments and Acno's magic resistance could be a powerhouse too but does he have that?
But Aldoron didn't have any trouble lmao. He killed him easy in 3 minutes and GG was saved by the bell.
And yep, I did say that. Now either prove me wrong if you can. Oh wait nevermind, I remember August has Ultra Instinct, all of Toriko's powers, and is literally god himself.
August shat himself when Acno showed up. So why do all of you have more confidence than the King of Magic who said he stood no chance? He was primed and ready to go.
Igneel was on deaths damn door and ripped his arm off. How do people really justify opinions that fly in the face of what was shown…
yes he did natsu ate FH zeref attack. idc if its physcial or magic zeref is getting fodderized by ingeel. he was only 1 that 1v1 acno and put actually damage on him. ingeel is still the second strongest character in the show currently. acno had to use a soul ablilty to beat him that how strong ingeel is.
yes he did natsu ate FH zeref attack. idc if its physcial or magic zeref is getting fodderized by ingeel. he was only 1 that 1v1 acno and put actually damage on him. ingeel is still the second strongest character in the show currently. acno had to use a soul ablilty to beat him that how strong ingeel is.
August shat himself when Acno showed up. So why do all of you have more confidence than the King of Magic who said he stood no chance? He was primed and ready to go.
Igneel was on deaths damn door and ripped his arm off. How do people really justify opinions that fly in the face of what was shown…
Does it matter who was talking to who? You commented on something I was debating with someone else, don't act sassy. This is a power scaling chat, you can reply to whoever you want.
Seems like you forgot the whole point of this entire argument is about whether or not August can win by using fire dragon slaying magic. Those 3 abilities come from using the magic.
Excelt your Romeo logic has 0 place here. A Romeo tier mage didn't impress or catch Acno's attention, which is rare since he pretty much views everybody as insects.
Tanking an attack =/= no selling an attack, which you argue is the same thing.
I'm starting to think you either can't read or simply ignore what I write...probably the latter. I'm not going to explain it since you could just read.
Excepr that's literally one of the only ways to beat Zeref. Acno doesn't need to kill him because he can just stand there and be unaffected by death magic due to the nature of his ds magic. Igneel on the other hand would get one shot, so even if Zeref lets him continously beat him, he'll at one point run out of energy and Zeref will one shot him. The same can't be said for Acno, because instead of one shottng him, he'll just give him his energy back.
Again, you can't or didn't read what I said in like every reply to you, so I wont say it again because you're just gonna ignore it.
It's really not. Zeref would need to get FH for the lot of them to even be a threat to Igneel. Without it Igneel soloes all spriggans and Zeref.
No, Zeref's curse of contradiction can kill a dragon god, and even then Aldaron was tanking it. Besides, in order to use it against Igneel he'd have to nerf himself to fodder. as in weaker than Ultear, aka oneshottable by Igneel. It's not a threat, Igneel would accidentally K.O Zeref just by roaring.
No, Igneel is Acno tier in every sense of the word. Acnologia, with immunity to Igneel's magic, still could not manage to defeat Igneel without losing an arm. You realize what that means right? An Acno tier fighter, who has the exact same advantage over Igneel that you are claiming August has, still only beat Igneel extreme diff, after getting temporarily knocked out and also losing an arm. August has absolutely no chance against Igneel, it's not even close, it's not even a challenge. It's like base Natsu pointlessly punching Aldaron, August isn't even worth Igneel's notice. Igneel just ignores August til he dies of old age. He doesn't need to use his Fire DS magic on him, he doesn't need to use his claws or teeth on him, he could literally just wait until August gets tired and gives up, and that's probably what he would do too, because Igneel is a nice guy. Igneel literally beats August with kindness lmao.
-Acno not having scars proves nothing lol. How many fights end with the opponent having scars? How many losses? Does Kagura have a scar after Erza?
-Logically they'll just keep eating each other's magic.
-Natsu didn't have any favorable matchups in Alvarez lol, Natsu doesn't have an advantage over anyone who isn't a fire magic.
-Your explanation was simply faulty.
Zeref wouldn't even need Fairy Heart. His base form was killing Aldoron, who's more powerful than any version of Igneel we've seen or heard of. Aldoron only tanked the death magic because of how big he was, it took much longer to spread than it would for a normal sized dragon. The only thing FH would give him is faster regeneration time, otherwise he could just stand there for who knows how long, tank Igneel's attacks, regen due to his curse, and then one point Igneel would have run out of magic and Zeref one shots him. He wouldn't even need to try. Thats the thing, yes Igneel is much stronger than Zeref, but Zeref's hax pretty much guarantees his victory here. Actually, Igneel can kill Zeref, but only if he's in his half dead form because the power of the dead can kill Zeref, if he's alive then he stands no chance.
Except you didn't account for basically the most important aspect: Acno already beat Igneel, with 0 scars and 0 lost limbs. Not only that, Acno was weaker back then (400 years ago, plus he got stronger after killing Igneel since that's what happens when a ds kills a dragon), AND Igneel was stronger (not half dead, actually alive). For all we know, he might have not even been a dragon at that point. This, and the fact that Zeref outright stated that Acno didn't go all out against Igneel in Tartaros, proves that we can't put Igneel in Acno's tier, or at least they have to be far apart. If a weaker Acno could escape unscathed from a fight with a stronger Igneel, then the only way a stronger Acno would lose a limb and extreme diff a much weaker Igneel would be if he didn't use all his power. If Acno had never fought Igneel 400 years ago and if we didn't get the statement of him not going all out, then I would 100% agree with you.
-Thats true, not having scars doesn't mean you didn't win high diff. The problem is a weaker Acno beat a much stronger Igneel and lost 0 limbs, whereas a stronger Acno beat a much weaker Igneel but at the expense of his arm. That doesn't make sense unless Acno was underestimating Igneel or simply wasn't going all out, which we know is what actually happened.
-Something I've never really understood is whether dragons can eat their elements like dragon slayers can. The only dragon we've seen do this is Acno, but he's originally a dragon slayer. We also saw Natsu using his fire to drop fire dragons in the alternate GMG timeline, so that proves that they aren't immune to their elemental ds magic. I mean, the whole point of having fire dragon slaying magic is so you can kill fire dragons. How else is Natsu going to kill Ignia? In a fistfight with no magic?
-Natsu's fight against Jacob was very favorable. He happened to not get hit by his transport twice (1st is because he wasn't in range, 2nd is because Happy happened to be in between his hands). Natsu's last fight against Zeref was also very favorable. He literally died/was dying, but Lucy saved him. Also August's attack just happened to be a fire nuke. You can't deny, Alvarez was just luck after luck after luck, Natsu was no exception.
-Your explanation was quite faulty
True, it's not like Igneel would fight on the ground anyway. He'd just nuke the lot of them from the sky. August and Zeref are the only ones who'd survive it, and that's under the extremely generous assumption August can copy/null Igneel's magic.
I'm assuming this is about Spriggan 12 + Zeref vs Igneel. Igneel flying wouldn't be a problem, Brandish can turn God Serena giant and August can turn giant too (by copying Brandish's magic) and then can copy either GS or Igneel's dragon slaying magic. Granted they'll only have 3 minutes, they will still be immune to any of Igneel's fire attacks, will power up by eating his fire, and can combine their ds asvantage with their enhanced physicals to swat Igneel. Not to mention Irene can buff them dramatically, or can even enchant everyone's power into August. Of course they won't be able to kill him in just 3 minutes but it will do very good damage to him if a tired Giant Gajeel (who's weaker than both August and GS) can damage Aldo.
Zeref wouldn't even need Fairy Heart. His base form was killing Aldoron, who's more powerful than any version of Igneel we've seen or heard of. Aldoron only tanked the death magic because of how big he was, it took much longer to spread than it would for a normal sized dragon. The only thing FH would give him is faster regeneration time, otherwise he could just stand there for who knows how long, tank Igneel's attacks, regen due to his curse, and then one point Igneel would have run out of magic and Zeref one shots him. He wouldn't even need to try. Thats the thing, yes Igneel is much stronger than Zeref, but Zeref's hax pretty much guarantees his victory here. Actually, Igneel can kill Zeref, but only if he's in his half dead form because the power of the dead can kill Zeref, if he's alive then he stands no chance.
Except you didn't account for basically the most important aspect: Acno already beat Igneel, with 0 scars and 0 lost limbs. Not only that, Acno was weaker back then (400 years ago, plus he got stronger after killing Igneel since that's what happens when a ds kills a dragon), AND Igneel was stronger (not half dead, actually alive). For all we know, he might have not even been a dragon at that point. This, and the fact that Zeref outright stated that Acno didn't go all out against Igneel in Tartaros, proves that we can't put Igneel in Acno's tier, or at least they have to be far apart. If a weaker Acno could escape unscathed from a fight with a stronger Igneel, then the only way a stronger Acno would lose a limb and extreme diff a much weaker Igneel would be if he didn't use all his power. If Acno had never fought Igneel 400 years ago and if we didn't get the statement of him not going all out, then I would 100% agree with you.
-Thats true, not having scars doesn't mean you didn't win high diff. The problem is a weaker Acno beat a much stronger Igneel and lost 0 limbs, whereas a stronger Acno beat a much weaker Igneel but at the expense of his arm. That doesn't make sense unless Acno was underestimating Igneel or simply wasn't going all out, which we know is what actually happened.
-Something I've never really understood is whether dragons can eat their elements like dragon slayers can. The only dragon we've seen do this is Acno, but he's originally a dragon slayer. We also saw Natsu using his fire to drop fire dragons in the alternate GMG timeline, so that proves that they aren't immune to their elemental ds magic. I mean, the whole point of having fire dragon slaying magic is so you can kill fire dragons. How else is Natsu going to kill Ignia? In a fistfight with no magic?
-Natsu's fight against Jacob was very favorable. He happened to not get hit by his transport twice (1st is because he wasn't in range, 2nd is because Happy happened to be in between his hands). Natsu's last fight against Zeref was also very favorable. He literally died/was dying, but Lucy saved him. Also August's attack just happened to be a fire nuke. You can't deny, Alvarez was just luck after luck after luck, Natsu was no exception.
-Your explanation was quite faulty
Zeref would %100 need FH to beat Igneel, relying on his curse of contradiction is a fool's game. With it active, he's so weak that Tenrou Ultear can defeat him. Igneel doesn't even need to pay attention to him, one roar and that's Zeref out of the fight. Igneel then kills everyone else and leaves.
No, I accounted for it, it simply doesn't matter because I'm not saying Igneel is stronger than Acno, I'm saying Igneel is in his tier, which he undeniably is. Him not having scars or lost limbs is irrelevant. Kagura has no scars after her fight with Erza, and she actually lost lol. %99 of high diff fights don't result in scars.
Zeref made no such statement.
Igneel knocked out Acno, straight up. He was had his foot on Acnologia's face and was grinding him into the dirt. He made Acno taste humiliation, he made Acno literally taste dirt lol. And once Acnologia got back up, he still couldn't kill Igneel without losing an arm. Igneel is %100 Acnologia tier, and nothing at all suggests he wasn't going all out. He basically confirmed it himself when acknowledged Igneel as an opponent.
-2 things. We don't even know Igneel and Acno actually fought, and if they did, we don't know how it went down. For all we know Igneel was going easy.
-They can, Igneel used to eat Atlas Flame. Also those dragons having fire breath doesn't make them fire dragons. Eileen is a sage dragon and has fire breath
-Not really. Natsu started the fight knocked out and had to hold back %90 of the fight. He would've oneshot Jacob normally. And not really for Zeref either, if Mavis hadn't gotten in the way Natsu would've erased Zeref. Thanks to her, Zeref was able to get FH.
I'm assuming this is about Spriggan 12 + Zeref vs Igneel. Igneel flying wouldn't be a problem, Brandish can turn God Serena giant and August can turn giant too (by copying Brandish's magic) and then can copy either GS or Igneel's dragon slaying magic. Granted they'll only have 3 minutes, they will still be immune to any of Igneel's fire attacks, will power up by eating his fire, and can combine their ds asvantage with their enhanced physicals to swat Igneel. Not to mention Irene can buff them dramatically, or can even enchant everyone's power into August. Of course they won't be able to kill him in just 3 minutes but it will do very good damage to him if a tired Giant Gajeel (who's weaker than both August and GS) can damage Aldo.
Igneel oneshots both of them. He could literally fly through their face like the parent dragons flew through.... well, FACE.
Giant Gajeel on Aldo was because Aldo was weakened by the seeds.
Igneel would oneshot Eileen as well, problem solved.
Seems like you forgot the whole point of this entire argument is about whether or not August can win by using fire dragon slaying magic. Those 3 abilities come from using the magic.
Excelt your Romeo logic has 0 place here. A Romeo tier mage didn't impress or catch Acno's attention, which is rare since he pretty much views everybody as insects.
Excepr that's literally one of the only ways to beat Zeref. Acno doesn't need to kill him because he can just stand there and be unaffected by death magic due to the nature of his ds magic. Igneel on the other hand would get one shot, so even if Zeref lets him continously beat him, he'll at one point run out of energy and Zeref will one shot him. The same can't be said for Acno, because instead of one shottng him, he'll just give him his energy back.
Igneel flies up to the sky and spams his roars. Zeref get's knocked out instantly. Death magic isn't a one-shot ability as shown with Aldoron.
Who said Igneel runs out of energy? You wanna play semantics? fine. Igneel replenishes his energy everytime he KO's Zeref. Igneel while half dead went 20 minutes with Acno while Zeref ran away. Igneel will be more than fine.
That was after Natsu exhausted everything he got with the final attack in dragon force. Natsu had reverted to base by then, with no MP.
FH Zeref one shotted an exhausted base Natsu.
DF Natsu also managed to completely vape FH Zeref with his full power attack, Zeref merely reverted all the damage with time magic. So it was not like DF Natsu was much below FH Zeref in stats, because even if you argue that FH Zeref took it on purpose (which is logical and fine if you argue, considering he can revert all the damage), Natsu still had the attack power to completely vape FH Zeref.
That was after Natsu exhausted everything he got with the final attack in dragon force. Natsu had reverted to base by then, with no MP.
FH Zeref one shotted an exhausted base Natsu.
DF Natsu also managed to completely vape FH Zeref with his full power attack, Zeref merely reverted all the damage with time magic. So it was not like DF Natsu was much below FH Zeref in stats, because even if you argue that FH Zeref took it on purpose (which is logical and fine if you argue, considering he can revert all the damage), Natsu still had the attack power to completely vape FH Zeref.
If we were to assume August was properly used I would 100% put him above Igneel. Yes he stands no chance against Acnologia but that is thanks to Acnologia ability to eat magic.
Powers August should posses are:
-Takeover: God Soul
-Time Magic
-Spatial Magic
-Ice Magic
-Sand Magic
-Barrier Magic
-Enchantment
-Historia of the Dead
-Mass Manipulation
-Cloaking Magic
-Earth Magic
-Fairy Glitter
-Fairy Law
-Heavenly Body Magic
-Speed Magic
-Angel Summoning
-Crash Magic
-Illusion Magic
-Reflector Magic
-God Serena Dragon Slayer magic
-Etc
With all of this if properly used I can't see him being below Igneel in power. Igneel Size should be irrelevant in comparison to August thanks to Brandish Mass manipulation power which should make him at least as big as a mountain making him about 10x Igneel size. He should be able to eat Igneel fire thanks to Serena magic. At the very least they should be equal in power.
The thing about the Spriggans were that plot nerfed them in order to have Fairy Tail come out on top. Hiro had August defeat himself with a curse rather than use any of the other many powerful abilities he had that could have wiped out Ishgar reinforcements.
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