Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Ignia doesn't seem to be the final villain type. It's either Elfseria or George.

 

[sharkai]

It's pretty obvious lol.

DE have been a thing since the very beginning of 100 YQ, and are still around after 2 DGs are down. They will be around until the end of the spinoff. Wanna bet?
They're currently getting massive hype because of what Suzaku is doing as well.

Again its a maybe and it does not point towards ending of fairy tail. Atleast from inside the verse. We were from beginning told about acno and zeref. And we knew that it was the end.
Now we dont. Authors can keep tye adventure going like this arc

 

[Axiomus]

Mishma doesn't work with gimmick.
Kagura outclassed erza completely.
As I said stomping an erza who just started to fight means nothing. At max it means erza might not low diff suzaku or his betters five minutes later when she is in the mood to fight

Kyria had hypnosis. Marin could teleport anyone away. They avoided fighting Erza head on.

Erza blocked archnemesis, got back up, and won the exchange. Gray had to carry an unconscious Erza to safety, and then Wendy had to heal her.

Lol, you really think that Suzaku beating Erza in 5 seconds flat is a showing for Erza having god tier speed... And not that Suzaku is in a league of his own? Especially after how he just handled Selene?

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

We were from beginning told about acno and zeref. And we knew that it was the end.

Didn't Acnologia come into existence around Tenrou? Zeref was mentioned from the beginning..

 

[sharkai]

Didn't Acnologia come into existence around Tenrou? Zeref was mentioned from the beginning..

Acno was mentioned from edolas arc, gildarts return remember. But we didn't know who was the strongest

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Kyria had hypnosis. Marin could teleport anyone away. They avoided fighting Erza head on.

Erza blocked archnemesis, got back up, and won the exchange. Gray had to carry an unconscious Erza to safety, and then Wendy had to heal her.

Lol, you really think that Suzaku beating Erza in 5 seconds flat is a showing for Erza having god tier speed... And not that Suzaku is in a league of his own? Especially after how he just handled Selene?

The problem with selene is suzaku defeating her. (Also aldo eating dirt from gaint gajeel).
Only natsu is supposed to defeat the bose. Something might be up. Wait

Erza was getting stomped by kagura after Minerva left. Accept it man, erza never uses more than 5% of her power in the start. Suzaku isn't special like Eileen and August were. People didnt sh!t themselves looking at him. Thus erza would behave just like she always does. Beside she is already had to cover more distance to protect natsu from him

 

[Ronin31]

You realize, this doesn’t invalidate their feats. It’s a shounen. The entire point of the antagonists is to be stepping stones for our protags. The BDSK are just benchmarks for where Mashima wants FT S class to be.

Yes, and I haven't got any problem for that.

I am only disagreeing to the point that even if Erza was tenfold her current power level, she should be stomped by Suzaku.
If we take account Erza's potential or her current level, around Laxus, it's too big.

Natsu who combine inside his body, the power of all DS to destroy Acnologia (yes he was block but his durability was outmatched), didn't even combine that Power Level. 10 Erza or 10 Laxus are above combine the 7 DS. And still, saiying that it should be a stomp on 10x Erza means Suzaku is still higher by great mergin.

This is where my point is. Suzaku isn't stronger than Acnologia (in my opinion).

Erza, like all FT's people will rise their level before fighting Diabolos's Quartet but I don't think they will tenfold or more their power level.

I agree that Suzaku is in a league above Erza and S-Classes, but not that high.

 

[Axiomus]

The problem with selene is suzaku defeating her. (Also aldo eating dirt from gaint gajeel).
Only natsu is supposed to defeat the bose. Something might be up. Wait

Erza was getting stomped by kagura after Minerva left. Accept it man, erza never uses more than 5% of her power in the start. Suzaku isn't special like Eileen and August were. People didnt sh!t themselves looking at him. Thus erza would behave just like she always does. Beside she is already had to cover more distance to protect natsu from him

Except Erza blocked unsheathed archnemesis, got right back up, and beat Kagura. Erza was never outclassed against Kagura. Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter if Erza comes back 10x stronger. Or even 20x stronger. Suzaku just cut down Selene, who is someone millions of times stronger than Erza.

Suzaku is more special than Irene or August. Selene's reaction to Suzaku is far more impressive than anyone's reaction to August and Irene.

Spoiler

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Yes, and I haven't got any problem for that.

I am only disagreeing to the point that even if Erza was tenfold her current power level, she should be stomped by Suzaku.
If we take account Erza's potential or her current level, around Laxus, it's too big.

Natsu who combine inside his body, the power of all DS to destroy Acnologia (yes he was block but his durability was outmatched), didn't even combine that Power Level. 10 Erza or 10 Laxus are above combine the 7 DS. And still, saiying that it should be a stomp on 10x Erza means Suzaku is still higher by great mergin.

Uhhhhh no. 7DS Natsu is also stronger than 10x Erza. 7DS Natsu not only had power from the 7 other dragon slayers, but also all the POF Lucy could muster-up in her Fairy Sphere kumbaya circle.

DF Natsu alone is stronger than 10x Erza. Aldoron can tank 100,000,000 hits from FDK Destruction Fist. None of Erza's attacks are more than 100x stronger than FDK Destruction Fist, let alone millions of times stronger. Erza sure as heck can't tank 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists.

Selene is above Aldoron, and Suzaku dealt massive damage to her. It doesn't matter if Erza comes back 10x or 100x stronger to face Suzaku. Suzaku is already dealing massive damage to opponents scaling several million times stronger than Erza. It wouldn't even matter if Erza came back 10x stronger and Natsu came back with Dragon Force and tried to tag team Suzaku.

This idea that Erza is above Suzaku just because "she doesn't go all out in the beginning of fights" is nonsense. Even when Erza did go all out, she can't quite defeat Irene....And Selene are Suzaku are straight up stronger than Irene.

 

[sharkai]

Except Erza blocked unsheathed archnemesis, got right back up, and beat Kagura. Erza was never outclassed against Kagura. Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter if Erza comes back 10x stronger than Kagura. Or even 20x stronger. Suzaku just cut down Selene, who is someone millions of times stronger than Erza.

Suzaku is more special than Irene or August. Selene's reaction to Suzaku is far more impressive than anyone's reaction to August and Irene.

Spoiler

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Uhhhhh no. 7DS Natsu is also stronger than 10x Erza. 7DS Natsu not only had power from the 7 other dragon slayers, but all the POF Lucy could muster in her Fairy Sphere kumbaya circle.

DF Natsu alone is stronger than 10x Erza. Aldoron can tank 100,000,000 hits from FDK Destruction Fist. None of Erza's attacks are more than 10x stronger than FDK Destruction Fist, let alone millions of times stronger. Erza sure as heck can't tank 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists.

Selene is above Aldoron, and Suzaku dealt massive damage to her. It doesn't matter if Erza comes back 10x or 100x stronger to face Suzaku. Suzaku is already dealing massive damage to opponents several million times stronger than Erza. It wouldn't even matter if Erza came back 10x stronger and Natsu came back with Dragon Force and tried to tag team Suzaku.

This idea that Erza is above Suzaku just because "she doesn't go all out in the beginning of fights" is nonsense. Even when Erza does go all out, she can't take quite defeat Irene....And Selene are Suzaku are straight up stronger.

After erza got stomped she blocked it yes. So allow her to be stomped by suzaku once as well.

As I said, wait. Natsu isn't gonna play with his thumb in this arc. Suzaku might only have defeated moon light godest or something along those lines

 

[Ronin31]

DF Natsu alone is stronger than 10x Erza. Aldoron can tank 100,000,000 hits from FDK Destruction Fist. None of Erza's attacks are more than 100x stronger than FDK Destruction Fist, let alone millions of times stronger. Erza sure as heck can't tank 100,000,000 FDK destruction fists.

Sorry, I don't remembered Natsu "1Million Prime".

 

[Axiomus]

Sorry, I don't remembered Natsu "1Million Prime".

Meme on it all you want, but we were given a figure for how many FDK Destruction Fists that Aldoron can tank, and then we saw DF Natsu's new secret art blast a hole in him.

Selene is stronger than Aldoron. And not just because Aldoron was weakened after his seeds were destroyed. Selene was stronger than Aldoron merely for the fact that Aldoron just woke up. So Suzaku is completely out of Irene's league.

After erza got stomped she blocked it yes. So allow her to be stomped by suzaku once as well.

As I said, wait. Natsu isn't gonna play with his thumb in this arc. Suzaku might only have defeated moon light godest or something along those lines

Kagura never defeated Erza. At no point was Erza injured to the point where she couldn't fight back against Kagura. Losing a few exchanges isn't getting outclassed. Gray had to run Erza to safety, and then Wendy had to heal her. These are vastly different performances.

It's entirely possible that the arc plays out with Suzaku injuring Selene enough for Natsu to finish her off. Besides, I take everything at face value. If it turns out that last chapter was just an illusion, then my ranking of Suzaku will change. There's just no reason to do that right now, so I take the events of the chapter on good faith.

 

[GL_Nova]

Erza was outclassed by kagura too. By marin too, by kyria too. You have very short memory span

Not really. Its simple pattern. Natsu is the only one who is allowed to beat the boss. So there might be something up

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Actually mishma already showed erza matching suzaku speed. When non serious of course.

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Springgans arc was the final arc. Thus good guys needed help against springgans made sense.
But as of now, nothing suggest de are the final villians.
De are like tartarus demons or 7 kins as of now. Nothing more
And I dont see erza gildarts and laxus needing help against de while natsu goes on to solo ignia
Even against springgan. Erza needed help against the strongest. Why would erza.need help against a random bdsk

If She matched his speed she wouldn’t have been surprised by her sword being cut and being slashed.

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Yes, and I haven't got any problem for that.

I am only disagreeing to the point that even if Erza was tenfold her current power level, she should be stomped by Suzaku.
If we take account Erza's potential or her current level, around Laxus, it's too big.

Natsu who combine inside his body, the power of all DS to destroy Acnologia (yes he was block but his durability was outmatched), didn't even combine that Power Level. 10 Erza or 10 Laxus are above combine the 7 DS. And still, saiying that it should be a stomp on 10x Erza means Suzaku is still higher by great mergin.

This is where my point is. Suzaku isn't stronger than Acnologia (in my opinion).

Erza, like all FT's people will rise their level before fighting Diabolos's Quartet but I don't think they will tenfold or more their power level.

I agree that Suzaku is in a league above Erza and S-Classes, but not that high.

It’s not a gap they can’t close. There was a big gap during Alvarez, and they’ve spent the next year closing it. Realistically, Laxus and Erza are already on the same tier August and Irene were in. Just like they worked to catch or surpass everybody else they’ve bested.

August wouldn’t even step to an Acnologia tier opponent. Suzaku just had a whole duel with one. Which only supports what Mashima’s goal with this sequel was, to raise FT to a level where people believe they could pull this win. Suzaku and the rest of the Knights already are.The gap has to be that big.

 

[Kiki]

=Announcement=

Finally the time has come!

Coming soon!​

 

[Seven777]

Another FT tournament? Never thought I'd see the day. Let's have Suzaku mop up the competition . Unless Acno is actually competing this time.

 

[WoWfan]

Erza did manage to react to his speed, but not power, plus she did not even use her stronger armor which basically breaks the laws of magic Too.

 

[Dimitri1220]

Yes she did lol, even Jacob and Invel know what Fairy Heart is. Eileen was the one Zeref trusted to extract it's power.
No, it literally gives you infinite magic. With it, Makarov was going to make Fairy Tail as powerful as the Parent Dragons to destroy Face. Makarov also acknowledged the possibility of using it to defeat Acno.

Of course you're not, because you can't. You can say that FH failed to live up to it's hype, that's fine, but the fact is that it's a power boost, plain and simple. Zeref is simply incompetent and Natsu is simply overpowered.

Zeref doesn't have death magic. The curse of contradiction is what is responsible for what we fans call the "death wave". It is not Zeref's magic, it is Ankhseram's curse. What Zeref has is black magic, and it's not what hurt Aldaron, it is fodder. Literally no threat to Igneel.
As for your arguments against Natsu. Zeref literally stuck his hand through Natsu's chest in an attempt to kill him, then got his ass whooped. Death magic didn't save him then, because he doesn't have death magic, he has black magic, and it's weak.

Half dead Igneel not only beats August, he no diffs him. This is not a challenge, it's not even a fight, August is no threat to him. Igneel could literally just ignore every attack August launched at him until August gives up and goes home.
And no, Zeref's statement doesn't mean anything of the sort. It's ridiculous to assume Acno has never in his life been challenged, especially by the guy who took his arm.

The scene was to show the similarity between Natsu and Igneel, clearly.

Yes he does. Natsu will use Demolition Fist on anyone and everyone. He'll use it on Alvarez fodder if he wants to. So no, Natsu didn't get lucky. Jacob had no chance against him, like the rest of the spriggans, he was just too weak. No counters needed, no help needed. The manga had to structure itself to nerf Fairy Tail just so the spriggans would have a chance, and Jacob is a perfect example of that. He couldn't beat Mirajane with his "omnidirectional attack", because he's incompetent and because Transport is just not all that dangerous when Jacob is faced with people stronger than he is, like Natsu and Mirajane.
Zeref was scratched and bruised against IgNatsu. He was vaporized against DF Natsu, big difference.

All she knew is FH had immense magic power. She didn't know that it gives 0 power buffs to the user. Infinite magic as in infinite stamina, not power, unless you want to say Zeref had no limit in power and could destroy infinite universes? And that Natsu is above infinity. It's quite obvious that this is not the case. All Makarov was going to do was have FH give magic/Etherano back to Earth land since Face took it away. Even then, he didn't know what would happen, not even Mavis, thats the whole reason why it wasn't used in the first place to fight Alvarez. Yes, it could beat Acno, but not alone, it needs the space between time. In all the instances where FH was going to stop Face, Acno, or Alvarez, they were going to use it as a battery: for EarthLand, for Etherion, or for space between time. It was never shown or described as giving the user increased strength.

Zeref's magic or Ankhseram's curse, call it whatever you want, it was still clearly stated that Zeref can fully control it once he doesn't value life anymore. Death magic wouldn't have changed anything, Natsu would burn it just like he burned everything else.

Dragon Irene also no diffed Erza and could ignore every attack she had, then she got DS magic and one shot her. It's a ginormous boost, and half dead Igneel is nowhere near his prime (who still is weaker than Acno), so what makes you think August (who's leagues above Erza) wouldn't be able to even scratch Igneel?

Zeref straight up said that Acno is still waiting to be truly challenged, so yes, he didn't go all out against half dead Igneel.

Jacob had no chance? He could clap his hands and the fight would be done. Of course, that's his only chance, but that's all he needs. If he gets that off before Natsu beats him then he wins easily. He usually goes for if first, first time Natsu was lucky to not be in range, second time Natsu was lucky that Happy got in between Jacob's hands. Tell me, what do you think is faster, Jacob clapping his hands or Natsu running up and charging a Demolition fist? He didn't beat Mira with that attack because he never used it (in the manga). That was Hiro giving Mira a chance, alongside him fighting blind.
DF Natsu explicitly said he'll end the fight in one move, so he used all his power in that one attack, whereas Igneel Natsu obviously didn't, and was going to kill Zeref with one more attack but Happy stopped him. 2 very different situations.

Also did you just say that Hiro nerfed FT to give the Spriggans a chance? That's the exact opposite of what happened. Like, the EXACT opposite. Almost every fight involved at least one of the following: family issues making Spriggans not fighting at full power, Spriggans acting extremely dumb, or Spriggans fighting their kryptonite. Hiro said the theme of Alvarez would be hope and that he purposely gave the Spriggans cheat abilities, so clearly in those 100+ chapters, Hiro did everything possible to give FT a chance in a pretty hopeless situation.

 

[sharkai]

If She matched his speed she wouldn’t have been surprised by her sword being cut and being slashed

She was suprised by his power. Her sword being broken was what suprised her.
Is there a way, you can prove erza suprised at suzaku speed not power. Suzaku however was suprised at erza speed

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Meme on it all you want, but we were given a figure for how many FDK Destruction Fists that Aldoron can tank, and then we saw DF Natsu's new secret art blast a hole in him.

Selene is stronger than Aldoron. And not just because Aldoron was weakened after his seeds were destroyed. Selene was stronger than Aldoron merely for the fact that Aldoron just woke up. So Suzaku is completely out of Irene's league.



Kagura never defeated Erza. At no point was Erza injured to the point where she couldn't fight back against Kagura. Losing a few exchanges isn't getting outclassed. Gray had to run Erza to safety, and then Wendy had to heal her. These are vastly different performances.

It's entirely possible that the arc plays out with Suzaku injuring Selene enough for Natsu to finish her off. Besides, I take everything at face value. If it turns out that last chapter was just an illusion, then my ranking of Suzaku will change. There's just no reason to do that right now, so I take the events of the chapter on good faith.

Of course it was. Comparing enemy hype phase to the final battle. Hype phase good guys get shafted. Final battle good guys win. That is why erza lost to marin kyria. How ajeel could easily handle erza. Final battle, erza was somewhat hanging with Eileen. And stalemating laxus

This is was suzaku hype phase. You ranking him now, will have your blood boil at the end of the arc.

 

[Seven777]

All she knew is FH had immense magic power. She didn't know that it gives 0 power buffs to the user. Infinite magic as in infinite stamina, not power, unless you want to say Zeref had no limit in power and could destroy infinite universes? And that Natsu is above infinity. It's quite obvious that this is not the case. All Makarov was going to do was have FH give magic/Etherano back to Earth land since Face took it away. Even then, he didn't know what would happen, not even Mavis, thats the whole reason why it wasn't used in the first place to fight Alvarez. Yes, it could beat Acno, but not alone, it needs the space between time. In all the instances where FH was going to stop Face, Acno, or Alvarez, they were going to use it as a battery: for EarthLand, for Etherion, or for space between time. It was never shown or described as giving the user increased strength.

Zeref's magic or Ankhseram's curse, call it whatever you want, it was still clearly stated that Zeref can fully control it once he doesn't value life anymore. Death magic wouldn't have changed anything, Natsu would burn it just like he burned everything else.

Dragon Irene also no diffed Erza and could ignore every attack she had, then she got DS magic and one shot her. It's a ginormous boost, and half dead Igneel is nowhere near his prime (who still is weaker than Acno), so what makes you think August (who's leagues above Erza) wouldn't be able to even scratch Igneel?

Zeref straight up said that Acno is still waiting to be truly challenged, so yes, he didn't go all out against half dead Igneel.

Jacob had no chance? He could clap his hands and the fight would be done. Of course, that's his only chance, but that's all he needs. If he gets that off before Natsu beats him then he wins easily. He usually goes for if first, first time Natsu was lucky to not be in range, second time Natsu was lucky that Happy got in between Jacob's hands. Tell me, what do you think is faster, Jacob clapping his hands or Natsu running up and charging a Demolition fist? He didn't beat Mira with that attack because he never used it (in the manga). That was Hiro giving Mira a chance, alongside him fighting blind.
DF Natsu explicitly said he'll end the fight in one move, so he used all his power in that one attack, whereas Igneel Natsu obviously didn't, and was going to kill Zeref with one more attack but Happy stopped him. 2 very different situations.

Also did you just say that Hiro nerfed FT to give the Spriggans a chance? That's the exact opposite of what happened. Like, the EXACT opposite. Almost every fight involved at least one of the following: family issues making Spriggans not fighting at full power, Spriggans acting extremely dumb, or Spriggans fighting their kryptonite. Hiro said the theme of Alvarez would be hope and that he purposely gave the Spriggans cheat abilities, so clearly in those 100+ chapters, Hiro did everything possible to give FT a chance in a pretty hopeless situation.

Immense magic power, like literally any powerup in the series. Natsu using Igneel's power? Immense magic power. Natsu getting 7 DS? Immense magic power, etc. FH is a power boost, this is fact, Natsu's savage flames are simply greater. With it Zeref thought Mavis would be able to solo both him and Invel at the same time, with it, Mavis thought Zeref would defeat Acno. And no, Makarov wasn't going to give Ethernano to the world lol, he was going to use it to destroy Face.

No, don't try and make it sound like they are the same thing. Zeref's magic is one thing, Ankhseram's curse is another thing. Zeref can control his magic once he doesn't value life, he cannot control Ankhseram's curse. If Zeref could control Ankhseram's curse, he would have been able to kill himself, Mavis wouldn't have died, the manga wouldn't have happened.

Sure, it's a big boost, it's simply the case that it's nowhere remotely close enough to close the gap between August and Igneel. The entirety of Team Natsu, including Erza, were boosted by DS magic, and they couldn't even scratch %50 Merc. That is why I don't think August is scratching Igneel.

Yeah? So? Acno is waiting to be challenged. This isn't news. Igneel is dead and is thus no longer a challenge.

Didn't do it to Mirajane, he's not doing it to Natsu. We don't know what Jacob used on Mira, she could've just dodged Transport, easy.
As for what's faster, lol, is that even a question? Happy can jump in between Jacobs hands before he can cast transport lol, Demo Fist is obviously faster.
Yeah, they're different, so?

Yep, that's what I said, because it's completely true lmao. Spriggans never had a chance. Fairy Tail literally spared half of them just because they're such good guys lmao. They didn't use Fairy Heart, even though they acknowledged right at the start of the arc, that it would grant victory. There was nothing hopeless in Fairy Tails situation. They could have ended the entire war in an instant.

 

[Axiomus]

Of course it was. Comparing enemy hype phase to the final battle. Hype phase good guys get shafted. Final battle good guys win. That is why erza lost to marin kyria. How ajeel could easily handle erza. Final battle, erza was somewhat hanging with Eileen. And stalemating laxus

This is was suzaku hype phase. You ranking him now, will have your blood boil at the end of the arc.

Yeah, I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Aldoron's hype didn't diminish. We were given a figure for how many FDK destruction fists it would take to defeat Aldoron. Then we saw Natsu's secret art blow a hole in Aldoron body, which scales the attack accordingly against Aldoron's durability.

Erza lost to Marin because he has a hard counter to her magic. She would lose every single time against Marin unless she figures out she can't use requip. She would also lose every single time against Kyria, unless she figures out she has to close her real eye against Kyria cutting strength, which was what happened. There's nothing to figure out against Suzaku. He's simply faster, stronger, and more durable than Erza. And the reason we can say that for certain is that he just hurt Selene so bad the latter ran away to another world. Even if Selene ends up recovering her powers, kicking Suzaku's ass, and then Natsu powers up and kicks Selene's ass, the performance that Suzaku has right now puts him solidly above everyone that can't deal massive damage to a human Acno-tier.

I will simply change my position to best fit what the evidence shows. Right now the evidence is that Suzaku stomps.

 

[Dimitri1220]

Immense magic power, like literally any powerup in the series. Natsu using Igneel's power? Immense magic power. Natsu getting 7 DS? Immense magic power, etc. FH is a power boost, this is fact, Natsu's savage flames are simply greater. With it Zeref thought Mavis would be able to solo both him and Invel at the same time, with it, Mavis thought Zeref would defeat Acno. And no, Makarov wasn't going to give Ethernano to the world lol, he was going to use it to destroy Face.

No, don't try and make it sound like they are the same thing. Zeref's magic is one thing, Ankhseram's curse is another thing. Zeref can control his magic once he doesn't value life, he cannot control Ankhseram's curse. If Zeref could control Ankhseram's curse, he would have been able to kill himself, Mavis wouldn't have died, the manga wouldn't have happened.

Sure, it's a big boost, it's simply the case that it's nowhere remotely close enough to close the gap between August and Igneel. The entirety of Team Natsu, including Erza, were boosted by DS magic, and they couldn't even scratch %50 Merc. That is why I don't think August is scratching Igneel.

Yeah? So? Acno is waiting to be challenged. This isn't news. Igneel is dead and is thus no longer a challenge.

Didn't do it to Mirajane, he's not doing it to Natsu. We don't know what Jacob used on Mira, she could've just dodged Transport, easy.
As for what's faster, lol, is that even a question? Happy can jump in between Jacobs hands before he can cast transport lol, Demo Fist is obviously faster.
Yeah, they're different, so?

Yep, that's what I said, because it's completely true lmao. Spriggans never had a chance. Fairy Tail literally spared half of them just because they're such good guys lmao. They didn't use Fairy Heart, even though they acknowledged right at the start of the arc, that it would grant victory. There was nothing hopeless in Fairy Tails situation. They could have ended the entire war in an instant.

Dude, if you're arguing that FH's magic power gave Zeref a boost in strength, then you're saying that he had infinite strength/power. Theres no way around that. You either accept that FH doesn't give additional strength and is just a battery that gives some time hax, or you say that FH gives the user infinite power. Makarov was going to use FH to restore Earthland's magic, which again proves that it's a battery.

You said Zeref can control the curse when he doesn't value life, then questioned why he couldn't stop it from killing Mavis...you literally answered your own question: it's because he valued her life. He explicitly said once he doesn't value life, he has full control, it's simple.

Did you just compare a dragon god to half dead Igneel? Not even prime Igneel has any feats or statements that suggest he can beat 50% Merc. And did you also compare Team Natsu to August? I agree that current Natsu could beat August, but beginning of 100YQ Natsu still loses going off what he's shown. The rest of team Natsu is fodder to August even to this very day.

It is news. Acno wasnt truly challenged by half dead Igneel. You could say he put some effort in the fight, but you can't say he was truly challenged.

What is that logic? He literally used it against Natsu twice, we've been over this lol. Did you really try to downplay transport by saying Happy could get in between his hands before he could clap? Two can play that game: Natsu was about to kill Zeref with demolition fist but Happy stopped him. Not only that, it took Natsu 4 pages to charge that demolition fist, whereas it took Jacob not even half a page to use Transport.

I'm not going to argue about if Alvarez or FT had more luck, because it is extremely clear and obvious that FT only won because of luck. Hiro himself said the theme of the arc was hope, why would you need hope if the enemies never stood a chance? Anyways. FH was FT's only chance, even then it was a low chance because FH could've ended up destroying them alongside Alvarez (infinite Etherion blasts).

 

[Seven777]

Dude, if you're arguing that FH's magic power gave Zeref a boost in strength, then you're saying that he had infinite strength/power. Theres no way around that. You either accept that FH doesn't give additional strength and is just a battery that gives some time hax, or you say that FH gives the user infinite power. Makarov was going to use FH to restore Earthland's magic, which again proves that it's a battery.

You said Zeref can control the curse when he doesn't value life, then questioned why he couldn't stop it from killing Mavis...you literally answered your own question: it's because he valued her life. He explicitly said once he doesn't value life, he has full control, it's simple.

Did you just compare a dragon god to half dead Igneel? Not even prime Igneel has any feats or statements that suggest he can beat 50% Merc. And did you also compare Team Natsu to August? I agree that current Natsu could beat August, but beginning of 100YQ Natsu still loses going off what he's shown. The rest of team Natsu is fodder to August even to this very day.

It is news. Acno wasnt truly challenged by half dead Igneel. You could say he put some effort in the fight, but you can't say he was truly challenged.

What is that logic? He literally used it against Natsu twice, we've been over this lol. Did you really try to downplay transport by saying Happy could get in between his hands before he could clap? Two can play that game: Natsu was about to kill Zeref with demolition fist but Happy stopped him. Not only that, it took Natsu 4 pages to charge that demolition fist, whereas it took Jacob not even half a page to use Transport.

I'm not going to argue about if Alvarez or FT had more luck, because it is extremely clear and obvious that FT only won because of luck. Hiro himself said the theme of the arc was hope, why would you need hope if the enemies never stood a chance? Anyways. FH was FT's only chance, even then it was a low chance because FH could've ended up destroying them alongside Alvarez (infinite Etherion blasts).

Not at all. I can have it both ways. FH is a boost in strength, no Zeref wasn't boosted to infinity. There is a cap on any powerup, Tenrou Natsu with Igneel's magic wouldn't beat Zeref, Alvarez Natsu would. Doesn't change the fact that Igneel's magic is a powerup.
No, Makarov literally said he was going to use the Lumen Histoire to beat face. Zeref literally says Mavis could have used Fairy Heart to kill him and Invel. Mavis literally says Zeref was going to use it to defeat Acnologia. This is all in the manga. Makarov restoring magic to earthland is something you just made up, to begin with, that wouldn't even work, because once Face was activated, it was too late to use Fairy Heart. Fairy Heart isn't capable of restoring the worlds magic.

No, I said Zeref can control his magic when he doesn't value life. He can't control his curse, ever. If he could control it, he'd have killed himself.

Yes, because half dead Igneel is at least as powerful as a dragon god.
What are you talking about? Igneel literally has better feats than any dragon god lmao, he would eat Selene for breakfast. And yes, team Natsu>>August.

Not what Zeref said.

And failed both times. Failed against Mira too.
So what? Natsu's Demo Fist on Zeref needed a charge up, he's literally immortal. Natsu don't need that for Jacob.

That's easy, Alvarez had more luck. So what if the theme of the arc is hope? If it was despair, then maybe you'd have an argument. Besides, Zeref and Acno were also in the arc, so even if it was despair, it would be because of them.