Games Mafia Game 95 - Saint Seiya: Era of the Zodiac - End Game

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Madame fallaFar's Daily Horoscope corner!
With the very last bits of their energy they can muster, the Teller takes to the stars one final time



Aries
"Sure, your sign might be considered a little unfiltered, bold and daring even; prone to being bored, one could say. But this also allows you to reach new heights other signs rarely ascend to. This week the Virgo moon will be in descent and Jupiter will be in retrograde, meaning it's high time for you to set out on a new venture. Yet, with the waning sun and rising tides also comes the warning not to overreach. Fate is a zero-sum game, and not one you can always win."

Taurus
"Despite your penchant for resting, over long enough periods of time, this might cause rusting. Your all-or-nothing demeanour makes it hard for you to change or to pivot at the exact moment you need. This week you will be once again presented with an opportunity and the stars have aligned for you to reach out. Though it might go against your nature, it might be your destiny."

Gemini
"You're charismatic and good with words, both written and in conversation. But your charm has a washing-machine type of effect; others believe you, no matter what you say, and consequently, you start believing it too. In the short term, that works wonders for you. In the long-term, you might find yourself cornered by a lack of good advice, and people around you to balance out your persona. This week, the stars will provide you with an opportunity in disguise to make a change in this. That person who argues against you might actually be looking out for you. For a change, it might be best to let someone else do the talking, and despite all odds, that might enrich your life greatly"

Cancer
"You're a sensitive person who seeks both provide and give comfort. You forgive but don't forget, you set boundaries that are vigilantly guarded and maintained but are willing to take on the problems of others outside of that. You might find that this week requires you to shift the window a little, when a new but unknown problem shows up on the horizon. Though people tend to lose perspective when they face the unknown, the stars can do one better than disorient you, and instead, help you make acquaintance with a whole new worldview. Be open-minded this week, and see where it takes you."



Leo
"Despite being a little vain, you exude warmth and creativity. Your larger-than-life persona makes you stand out and you like this accompanying a certain degree of luxury. And much like the King of Beasts, you hold back little energy when dealing with problems, both big and small. This week you will be asked to practice restraint and proportionality. Even the Lion needs rest."

Virgo
"The Virgo sign is a compassionate one. You feel the need to be useful to others, no matter what. It helps that usually you are in fact the kind of person who can produce useful solutions. You have a million ideas per second that are produced by a rich tapestry of experience. Your quick thinking makes it so you can find quick fixes to whatever situation. This however does not mean there always is a solution, and you need to make peace with that. This week, try figuring out yourself, too."

Libra
"You hate being alone, but you also hate conflict. You see every side which makes it so you have trouble making decisions. But this week is not the time to get lost in fantasy and lose yourself to eventualities that might never occur. It is time to stand your ground and figure out how to break your current dead-lock. This week, you will have to decide. When you decide, go deeper than trying to understand both sides and instead try to figure out why you feel the need to mediate."

Scorpio
"No sign takes betrayal worse than you do. And this week, you will be indeed faced with betrayal. Not necessarily someone you're close to, but someone you look up to - deem better than yourself - will disappoint you. While revenge is a dish best served callously, this week, it will be important for you to choose your battles, and bide your time. You don't know how much poison you will be needing going forward, and who to use it on, if you take out everything in sight."



Sagittarius
"You have no indoor voice and form opinions almost exclusively based on how you feel in the moment. Simultaneously, you are driven by self-improvement to the point of it being a fault. Truth is a weapon you use to dish out blunt trauma to all around you, even those who didn't deserve it, much less those who can defend themselves from it. This week you will be faced with a conundrum that requires a bit more emotional intelligence than you usually care to apply. Not for lack of possession of it, however. So tap into this richer side of yourself, and learn to furnish your weapon with this pageantry."

Capricorn
"You're responsible and motivated by duty. Oriented around success, you might be a little hard to approach. Others think it, but you know it. While it may be comfortable keeping up these defences, the stars have a chance meeting for you planned this week that requires you to let down the draw bridge. It's good being an adult, but it's better not to lose sight of your childlike enthusiasms. Staying in touch with your past is not a bad thing if you understand your place in it."

Aquarius
"You are in possession of the best sign. But that doesn't mean you are being your best self. You believe in freedom, having it and living it, but faultily, you also believe the opposite of freedom is restraint. This is not true; a little self-discipline would help you improve in all aspects of your life, and allow you to exploit said freedom better. Being free means the ability to choose and you would do well seeking more input from others before you choose how you want to be free."

Pisces
"They say there's plenty of fish in the sea. And that's true. It's unfortunate then you're a sea-urchin. You also get into a fight with a duck you somehow manage to lose. Best to stay inside"
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Night Actions

Spoiler: Nighto Actions

Aha here are the spicy night actions. Past Nacho's death, the DC didn't have much to vote on... So it was dissolved. Also, empty spaces may indicate that player didn't PM for whatever reason

I was going to do an elaborate player-by-player review like last time, but this time noona did it, and hers were pretty good so I'll stick to those

Compared to the previous burning building mechanic, I think noona and I pretty easily settled on the form of this idea, stamping out technicalities along the way. I thought the DC mechanic was pretty interesting, though perhaps not all effects were equally balanced (nor did all effects provide the DC with the same amount of powers). There is probably some more interesting concepts in this post-death corner to explore (coming to a panda game close to you). Coming up with all the effects was a little tricky but overall they produced a couple of interesting gamer moments. Hmm, I didn't expect a mafia to die to the N1 effect, I didn't think Jesus and day skip would be picked so quickly and I didn't expect horoscoping to be such hard work The tellers have it tough.

We wanted the game to have a mystical kind of atmosphere? The colours, avi's and text hopefully all contributed to that. Though usually I'm not necessarily fond of RNG, given the theme it seemed acceptable. We had to RNG onto a vote so that a majority of townies couldn't disregard a minority mafo. There was a rubberband kind of mechanic to a three-headed council, as the team that was getting bodied could attempt to control the course of the constellations. Introducing lovers into the game at a later point proved an interesting stimulant, in that even trusted players could get burnt. Inactive or unwilling players could refrain from engaging with the mechanic heavily. Living players didn't necessarily have to learn all the effects while they were playing; they could focus on the game and look up a list of more invested players after kicking the bucket.

I liked random-kuns debut. He helped a lot with Rin-chan-campaigning and has a penchant for omo'ing. It's a smart bot, for sure. It did its best. Not a lot to say about it, other than that I'm disappointed in the players who had random-kun RNG onto someone to vote for LOL, very painful. Its final deciding coin toss turned out to be pretty relevant. Apparently, random-kun has a penchant for multiples of 2 but will roll onto uneven numbers if you praise or intimidate it. Perhaps it keeps track of how everyone is treating it . I think in these few cute paragraphs I've surmised most of my immediately relevant thoughts. Hopefully, less panda game shenanigans next time

Once again, congratulations to the winners, and thank you for playing!
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[Hardy]

Catching up but between "Desin voted to save Hardy" or "Desin was bold because the Top 2 were Town".

I think the former makes more sense. Desin is often bold, but not early game.

Like, put yourself in his shoes.

You are making a massive risk like this. Would you just forget about the mechanic? Mechanic that will surely kill you next, and then town obviously goes for your saved guy next?

He said in his vote "...i might change if I see reveals" or something like that. He was looking for shad to reveal to then switch on me.

 

[James Rye]

Well i ve been once bomb defusing, i was convinced there was either a mafia bomb or a kamikaze, but there was none of them

Oh right, I remember you blowing up when the whole role list was revealed. You were the bomb all along, Erin. XD

okay.....so you suspect the entire mafia team just decided to kill their own team mate? Look at hardy voters.

So what? Building a strong train on someone early in the day to give other townies a feeling that something is off isn't unusual. Look how little changed after the 4 votes because towns are usually more careful with their votes since this is mostly the only way they can actually kill Mafia with. At least I give out my suspects. I am not claiming to be perfect but where are your 5 Mafia suspects that should be running around among us?

Plus the fact that even claiming investigator is a big risk considering high chance of there being one if he really mafia, i doubt he could go with investigator when he also had two others roles that fit his hint, but instead he went with the higher risk one


Could be dumb for mafia to claim investigator when they don't know there even one, he had SM and Mortician as other options that are less likely being in the game yet he went with investigator

I trust hardy

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The heck bro, evil had more chance of dying because of that vaque shit than you considering he came first, if evil really BG could caused a mislynch for theory reason.....

You can trust him all you want. For all we know, the mafia got some code for their Janitor and Hardy realizing his tough case and that the Janitor kill was a miss with the Investigator, as in not really important, went with the claim since he knows no one else could claim it and that even if EH were to return his chances of seeing the next phase ain't that high anyway, so why not go in big?

As for Evil, we only got one vote on him and we all know that if the roles were reversed BG Hardy would vote for Investigator Evil in the blink of an eye because we can't prove this claim, like at all, until we got a det on Hardy last night and said det figures out their sanity in the next. I don't see him put at risk by me keeping my mouth shut if Noona goes guessing about my role on day 1 and me not correcting her on the same day.

 

[GrySun]

Like, put yourself in his shoes.

You are making a massive risk like this. Would you just forget about the mechanic? Mechanic that will surely kill you next, and then town obviously goes for your saved guy next?

He said in his vote "...i might change if I see reveals" or something like that. He was looking for shad to reveal to then switch on me.

Problem is, his initial reason to vote/distrust Shad to begin with instead of you makes little sense. The scenario you describe is how he‘d act to best throw a teammate under the bus and not necessarily messing with 2 townies for credibility.

Can you tell me your suspects beyond Evil?

 

[Hardy]

Still can't see how Hardy can't be mafia. Suddenly some people popping up to defend him too isn't helping much either.
Marm hasn't appeared yet and that is making me uneasy. She's not the most
active person but she usually appears after work and in the morning so I'll wait.
And then we have the James situation that can be easily solved by @James Rye actually clearing it instead of vanishing again into the abyss.

What

Again you have no case on me. You particularly failed today to defend the case from yesterday getting the timelines wrong and then you fled when I called it out.

 

[Maryxxi]

Juviii for being all over the place and stoking fires on anybody that gets mentioned by someone else as sus.
Maryxxi because Random told me so and it feels like she follows Juviii's example which would make sense for a Mafia newbie clinging to the tail of a more

how am i following juvii's example? for voting hardy? hardy s case is not looking good and even some ppl who did not vote him still believe that. besides hardy's case i dont see how i went "stoking fires on anybody that gets mentioned by someone else as sus."

 

[SirSamuel016]

Lmao, i.m one of your top sus list ? Ahahahahahahahahaahahaahhaahaha! And can you please explain why? )))) you.ve brought nothing to the table so far, have been useless, randomly voted me d1, no useful hints on your role either and now you.re saying i.m sus? Where all i.ve been doing was drop hints, ask questions, try to make sense of things, give my "conspiracy" thoughts, etc )) do tell me more about how i am sus ))). Ot is it precisely the fact that i.ve been attacking some ppl questioning them etc, what makes you scared of my presence? Did I get thigs right, scared for your mates?

To think i went for dd instead of you, should have listened to my gut and vote you. Not too late tho, just keep stepping on my tail and i.ll votelock you. Or is this your way of trying to get me to waste my vote like others have before?

Yea I agree, go backread the thread 20 times again, mby you.ll get a brain cell.

You're not worth the time of too long a response when you're heated like this, could easily be more constructive than brain cell comments but then again I suppose shame on me for expecting more.

If you think I'm useless because I've been busy and concur with some things then I don't know what to tell you. I find your obsession with DD a little odd when he hasn't been too different from his usual self as far as I can tell, and it almost seemed like you were very keen to try and get some shit to stick but that's just how I see it.

Now please go chill out for everyone's sake

 

[Baka Taichou]

I also relate after a day of drinking yesterday

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You've got an issue I agree with you?

That post of yours doesn.t say " i agree that" or "i also think" etc. You just randomly pop in, re0eat like it.s what you.ve been thinking while were gone and ))) just write that, quote ppl and say you agree is enough if you agree, stop trying to make it look like you.re contributing smth, making ppl read the same shit again. I did that before when i was mafia, to grt ppl to think that I.m not sus in their minds. So i suggest if you.re town change your play style cuz you.re looking more and more sus to me.

 

[Erinyes]

That's what evil said, but then why wouldn't I just claim asap like Evil did?

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Erin I'm kinda shocked you are tunneling like this on me

am i ? i dont trust you, sure, but didnt even vote you, i said i dont cast votes on useful claimed roles

 

[Juviii]

Cause it keeps me safe obviously. Plus it helps to see who tries to get on my ass or try to switch from Hardy towards me.



Misclick but whatever.
Hardy for obvious and many told reasons by Evil.
Gaj for simply voting on me in a BOOM, let's go after James everyone, kinda way.
Juviii for being all over the place and stoking fires on anybody that gets mentioned by someone else as sus.
Maryxxi because Random told me so and it feels like she follows Juviii's example which would make sense for a Mafia newbie clinging to the tail of a more Veteran mafia player.
Demonspeed because Demon is never a wrong choice to look for Mafia Scum.

People I trust, so far for now:
Evil for claiming BG and being paranoid as usual when he is town
Gry 'cause he feels like his usual hunter self and less like a fire stoker like Juviii does.
And well that's it, those are pretty much the only two I feel as trustworthy by day 2.

Excuse me? I'm stocking fires because I'm trying to get people to talk more, people that suddenly disappeared in D2 when shit got serious? Really?

Guess it's better to talk about your family and disappear into thin air maybe.
I'm really curious about such manly role James.

 

[Hardy]

Oh right, I remember you blowing up when the whole role list was revealed. You were the bomb all along, Erin. XD



So what? Building a strong train on someone early in the day to give other townies a feeling that something is off isn't unusual. Look how little changed after the 4 votes because towns are usually more careful with their votes since this is mostly the only way they can actually kill Mafia with. At least I give out my suspects. I am not claiming to be perfect but where are your 5 Mafia suspects that should be running around among us?



You can trust him all you want. For all we know, the mafia got some code for their Janitor and Hardy realizing his tough case and that the Janitor kill was a miss with the Investigator, as in not really important, went with the claim since he knows no one else could claim it and that even if EH were to return his chances of seeing the next phase ain't that high anyway, so why not go in big?

As for Evil, we only got one vote on him and we all know that if the roles were reversed BG Hardy would vote for Investigator Evil in the blink of an eye because we can't prove this claim, like at all, until we got a det on Hardy last night and said det figures out their sanity in the next. I don't see him put at risk by me keeping my mouth shut if Noona goes guessing about my role on day 1 and me not correcting her on the same day.

Again, why didn't I just reveal asap then?

It's not about the roles (but wow investigator claim over bodyguard, come on) but the whole situation. The dude came here today already on a mission to lynch me. He's pulling strawmen and saying things I never did in order to get me lynched. This kind of argumenting is 200% scum.

 

[Juviii]

What

Again you have no case on me. You particularly failed today to defend the case from yesterday getting the timelines wrong and then you fled when I called it out.

What timelines wrong, are you crazy? Your answer that it was random was early af!! Just go read your damn posts! I even offered to quote it for you.

 

[SirSamuel016]

That post of yours doesn.t say " i agree that" or "i also think" etc. You just randomly pop in, re0eat like it.s what you.ve been thinking while were gone and ))) just write that, quote ppl and say you agree is enough if you agree, stop trying to make it look like you.re contributing smth, making ppl read the same shit again. I did that before when i was mafia, to grt ppl to think that I.m not sus in their minds. So i suggest if you.re town change your play style cuz you.re looking more and more sus to me.

"I did it when I was mafia so that must mean you're doing it because YOU'RE mafia!" That's what you think? Nah, I've been busy with Uni and IRL the last couple of days but I've been reading through and gathering my thoughts as things are going on, trying to piece things together. You're the only person who's actively got an issue with my playstyle so maybe try and get some perspective before you end up derailing us all further from potentially lynching a scum.

 

[Hardy]

Problem is, his initial reason to vote/distrust Shad to begin with instead of you makes little sense. The scenario you describe is how he‘d act to best throw a teammate under the bus and not necessarily messing with 2 townies for credibility.

Can you tell me your suspects beyond Evil?

Was already not liking juviii then she went ahead and said that she voted me yesterday because I mocked her (even though she admitted she didn't get it was a joke in the first place). Again, much like evil, her arguments on me are just too forced and somehow make me "clear scum" for no reason.

How was I dodging by asking repeatedly what you guys wanted? How was I mocking if... You didn't know it was a joke? You are getting the timelines constantly wrong, you are lying.

Why are you turning this into a disrespecting convo LOL What personal attack, a joke about Portugal that you never minded until now?

I wasn't a townie, that's irrelevant. I'm saying why I was trusted there. Last game I was trusted as mafia for playing as I tend to do as townie. Now I'm playing the same... Because I'm actually townie. There's no argument there.

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What timelines wrong, are you crazy? Your answer that it was random was early af!! Just go read your damn posts! I even offered to quote it for you.

What about that answer?

 

[SirSamuel016]

@James Rye Sorry if I've missed it but have you explained what you meant when you made that post about you potentially being a Bodyguard? You've also said it's a "manly" role yeah? Interested if there's anything more you'll reveal today

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 29, 2021, Original Post Date: Aug 29, 2021 ---

Less than one hour to go now guys

 

[Hardy]

Damn friend, you really not making it easy to not give you some pressure votes. Just how long do you think your good look will get you away without hints or claims?

Wrong, and wrong again. Most games have some kind of multiple Doctors (Sane-Insane-Naive)/Bodyguard combo. It is no news at all and in fact pretty silly to assume you would be the only Doctor in the game, so Shad wouldn't absolutely not need to have waited for an other Doctor/Bodyguard to come forward first before disclose his role on the lynch podium lol

What changed over night from day 1 to day 2, are you serious? Pretty sad that I have to recap and basically play the game for you, but just a couple notes so you can finally also understand what changed overnight since I left the game for the evening four hours before last day phase end.

• We learned there is a town or mafia Noble
• We now know we killed a Doctor
• We now know a mafia was killed in return with Aries
• We know the mafia put the decisive vote to kill the Doctor saving you in the process from the lynch
• We now know there is a Janitor
• We had a role claim for Spy that was brave enough to come forward and share the result on you not having targeted anyone

The hints you left on this day are completely irrelevant as you had several hours to prepare after avietar shared the result on you. I am measuring you solely by the fact that your only hint yesterday is being a boring and overused role. We even discussed it yesterday that such mega-vague hints can be argued in all directions are are completely phoney and fake as it says absolutely nothing. Even you yourself admitted that claims like "had before" are shit as the player can then just say "oopsy, forgot I had it. And something like an own opinion on the role such as "boring" has even less content to it as its subjective. And no, you cannot slap "IMO" on everything and now argue that in your opinion this role is overused when it was only used 14 fucking times since introduction in Game 24. lol

Spoiler: Investigator, the "overused role"

Game #	Primary Role	Theme
24​	Investigator	League of Legends Edition
26​	Investigator	Tower of God Edition
31​	Investigator	Durarara Edition
36​	Investigator	The Addams Family House of Horrors
56​	Investigator	Dragon Ball Z: A New Threat
60​	Investigator	Ace Attorney
61​	Investigator	The Lord od the Rings Edition
62​	Investigator	RWBY Edition
64​	Investigator	One-Punch Man
74​	Investigator	Akagami no Shirayukihime X Akatsuki no Yona Crossover
76​	Investigator	JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Vento Aureo
80​	Investigator	Fate Grand Order
82​	Investigator	Yu-Gi-Oh!
86​	Investigator	Magic: the Gathering - Planechase

James, this is really annoying. You had this very limiting role hint Day 1, which basically is now the only reason I left you on my trust list then, as it cuts down possibilities to quite few roles, but now tiptoeing around it looks suspicious af.

Makes me think you actually had BG in mind and was hoping there is non this game, but now have to think of an other plausible way to fit the role claim after I have revealed my own role.

Say what your role is now, you are not getting away with being freed from suspicion from now on either.

Like, this kind of argumenting, completely putting things out of context.

Why would shad put a target on himself like that? Who the fuck ever does that, especially this guy with like 3 games? "Oh there might be another protector I'll just come out" when has this happened?

I left literally a single hint today and explained the one from yesterday that, if you cared, you could had asked me to expand on yesterday. But just like juviii you are more interested in lynching me than reasoning with me so you didn't.

I love how you move goalposts. Now you delete my clue from today (which was in... My first post of the day? Completely unnecessarily? And corners my claim if I'm scum?) and say "well if he's an investigative role he played bad, good riddance anyway" LMFAO

Again, "Overused IMO". Do I need to copy paste my explanation?

 

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[Tatsumaki]

I see we're still on Harry's case.
James getting some spotlight too now.

I regret not being able to get more involved today. I'll try to to change that as much as possible the next DP.

I'm gonna suck and join the train with votekill Hardy. I'm not 100% convinced you're sum but if you don't die today, tomorrow will be the same bs with people still on your case.

 

[SirSamuel016]

madame fallaFar brought you more clarity on the votes

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Thank you for the update

Not sold on the Hardy lynch, but it is a bit hard to figure out why Desin did what he did too. Would he really do that to save a teammate Day 1?

 

[James Rye]

Which ones

Desin voting Shad, saving your life, despite the risk that carries being the final vote killer with the first dead having the option to get revenge on you.
Investigator being overused when he can only appear if a Janitor is in-game and even then, as you said yourself, he is still optional and Host could decide to go Janitor without Investigator if they feel like it or if the mechanics give ways for town to either reveal the role or get a potential kill on the Janitor him/herself. If you had said boring and useless I would insta-believe you since the moment a Janitor is gone the Investigator turns bloody useless. Really needs more ??? killers to be more needed.
Not doing an action last night means you could be many Mafia roles that just can't do something on night 1 like Mafia Boss, Rookie (since Janitor killed Rookie would have been told to sit down if there is one in), Mafia Member, Mafia Robber (same reason as Rookie), etc.
Janitor being able to code that EH was investigator meaning it would be safe to claim with no one else coming in-between. Unless EH ofc returns to live and survives the coming night phase to tell us next day what role he got.
Sure, it ain't 100% but it really is pretty high above 0%.

how am i following juvii's example? for voting hardy? hardy s case is not looking good and even some ppl who did not vote him still believe that. besides hardy's case i dont see how i went "stoking fires on anybody that gets mentioned by someone else as sus."

Juviii is the one stoking flames, not you. You just followed the vote of hers. Like Avi and Evil got their reasonings for voting early on, its Juviii and you who seemed to just jump on and be done with it.

Excuse me? I'm stocking fires because I'm trying to get people to talk more, people that suddenly disappeared in D2 when shit got serious? Really?

Guess it's better to talk about your family and disappear into thin air maybe.
I'm really curious about such manly role James.

Again, why didn't I just reveal asap then?

It's not about the roles (but wow investigator claim over bodyguard, come on) but the whole situation. The dude came here today already on a mission to lynch me. He's pulling strawmen and saying things I never did in order to get me lynched. This kind of argumenting is 200% scum.

Maybe because you didn't felt like it was too risky yet when only Evil voted on you before the others did as well?

BG is a walking deathsentence, you know that, meaning sooner or later Evil will prove himself by giving the ultimate sacrifice you can give in mafia. Investigator on the other hand can't be proven by our current means since Mafia could throw a wrench into it too easily meaning until we got a proven det we only got your word for it whereas with Evil we know that in the coming nights he will likely die sometimes. And if not then it means he was lying and him not dying after like 3-4 nights or so speaks a lot against him.

@James Rye Sorry if I've missed it but have you explained what you meant when you made that post about you potentially being a Bodyguard? You've also said it's a "manly" role yeah? Interested if there's anything more you'll reveal today

No, I already gave plenty.
Counter question, what were your hints so far and what more have you given us today about your role? Because I am pretty sure you said something active and... that't it? Which leaves us at how many potential role guesses? You could really do more than that on day 2, Sam.

 

[SirSamuel016]

I see we're still on Harry's case.
James getting some spotlight too now.

I regret not being able to get more involved today. I'll try to to change that as much as possible the next DP.

I'm gonna suck and join the train with votekill Hardy. I'm not 100% convinced you're sum but if you don't die today, tomorrow will be the same bs with people still on your case.

Why join a train if you're not convinced and risk lynching a possible townie? That makes little sense.