Fantasy Suzaku vs Irene Belserion

[WoWfan]

And Ignia implied they are greater hence ">=". No she doesn't, that's like saying the other Dragon Slayers scale to Natsu because they contributed to his power against Acno and we know that ain't true. Again, Brandish can't scale since she herself isn't Gajeel combined with that size, and yes Brandish is physically inferior to Gajeel.

Aldo was concentrated on fighting Natsu. Gajeel always has his iron scales on as seen in his Natsu fight the same arc. Acno was taken by surprised and so was Aldo lmao, Erza staggered RoT Acno so by this logic, Erza is DG tier.

Wrong again, Merc legit comments on a serious human Selene, saying how this is the power of a full DG implying Human Selene > Weakened Aldo and we know Dragon Selene >>>> Human Selene.

That could be simply overconfidence since he very likely never fought the guy, Selene and Ignia are clearly either lying or doesn't know what they were talking about since Elf guy knows of a 6th DG and Selene and Ignia mentions none of it. Natsu even tanked a powered up angry Acno attack, no real proof since the two never fought and since it is her power anyway even Bloodman could take hits from Gajeel and overpower him, the same guy who uses intangibility to avoid attacks, and Spriggans are stated to be on the same level as each other (besides Larcade, August and Irene), he had to use Bloodman's power against him to power up and defeat him, it does scale since size changed the output of energy delivered. yet Aldo's body moves on it's own, he said he was the brain anyway, he doesn't even show the scales until he actually states it after the attack, that is basically reaction timing which he has to activate them, Erza is not since magic does not harm Acno unless he is Motion Sick, You do realize that RoT is > DG right? Wrong, Merc just simply said that it was her original power in tact, even causing a storm is not that impressive when other characters have done that with sheer power alone, and don't say it crossed dimensions because that is hax it is not like it crossed outer space or something, and even if that were true, that was retconned as Selene said that she was not full power until she goes Dragon Mode.

 

[Hexbend]

That could be simply overconfidence since he never fought the guy, Selene clearly is either lying or doesn't know what she is talking about since Elf guy knows of a 6th DG and Selene mentions none of it. Natsu even tanked a powered up angry Acno attack, no real proof since the two never fought and since it is her power anyway even Bloodman could take hits from Gajeel and overpower him, the same guy who uses intangibility to avoid attacks, and Spriggans are stated to be on the same level as each other (besides Larcade, August and Irene), he had to use Bloodman's power against him to power up and defeat him, it does scale since size changed the output of energy delivered. yet Aldo's body moves on it's own, he said he was the brain anyway, he doesn't even show the scales until he actually states it after the attack, that is basically reaction timing which he has to activate them, Erza is not since magic does not harm Acno unless he is Motion Sick, You do realize that RoT is > DG right? Wrong, Merc just simply said that it was her original power in tact, even causing a storm is not that impressive when other characters have done that with sheer power alone, and don't say it crossed dimensions because that is hax it is not like it crossed outer space or something, and even if that were true, that was retconned as Selene said that she was not full power until she goes Dragon Mode.

Or he's right and just more added to the narrative that Hiro's trying to push. What? What does Selene talking about the 2 other DGs in power has to do with not mentioning Acno and not having knowledge of someone's whereabouts? Complete irrelevance and don't correlate at all.

Natsu tanked it after getting the power up.

No proof? The feats themselves are the proof, Gajeel is able to physically contend with Base Natsu, the same cannot be said for Brandish. Also The Spriggans are all comparable because of different abilities and stats, that doesn't mean their equal in everything. No she doesn't scale unless you can prove, Brandish in that size is equal to Gajeel in that size even then she lacks DS magic.

Because Aldo was moving between Natsu and Gajeel. More head canon, Gajeel's dragon scales are inherently different to his iron mode, and that has been made clear.

But Erza staggered RoT Acno so by your logic she's can beat a DG.

Merc said this is the full power of a DG, after saying that him and Aldo were weakened. If that doesn't imply she >>> them. Then that's just you lacking reading comprehension. Causing a storm from another dimension is a lot more impressive then anything the other DGs have done, unquantifiable yes, but still more impressive, and is a clear indicator she's above them.

You are incredibly dishonest or don't know how to read properly. That doesn't retcon anything, it just means that Human Selene is more powerful then weakened DGs, and her Dragon form is even more powerful.

Also make your argument more neatly so I can follow better, because your cluttering everything in a single paragraph. Separate each different point, because your horrible takes on FT isn't being helped by poor, formatting.

 

[WoWfan]

Or he's right and just more added to the narrative that Hiro's trying to push. What? What does Selene talking about the 2 other DGs in power has to do with not mentioning Acno and not having knowledge of someone's whereabouts? Complete irrelevance and don't correlate at all.

Natsu tanked it after getting the power up.

No proof? The feats themselves are the proof, Gajeel is able to physically contend with Base Natsu, the same cannot be said for Brandish. Also The Spriggans are all comparable because of different abilities and stats, that doesn't mean their equal in everything. No she doesn't scale unless you can prove, Brandish in that size is equal to Gajeel in that size even then she lacks DS magic.

Because Aldo was moving between Natsu and Gajeel. More head canon, Gajeel's dragon scales are inherently different to his iron mode, and that has been made clear.

But Erza staggered RoT Acno so by your logic she's can beat a DG.

Merc said this is the full power of a DG, after saying that him and Aldo were weakened. If that doesn't imply she >>> them. Then that's just you lacking reading comprehension. Causing a storm from another dimension is a lot more impressive then anything the other DGs have done, unquantifiable yes, but still more impressive, and is a clear indicator she's above them.

You are incredibly dishonest or don't know how to read properly. That doesn't retcon anything, it just means that Human Selene is more powerful then weakened DGs, and her Dragon form is even more powerful.

Also make your argument more neatly so I can follow better, because your cluttering everything in a single paragraph. Separate each different point, because your horrible takes on FT isn't being helped by poor, formatting.

or he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about since he said they were the last five dragons, when Elf said there is a 6th, so he is either ignorant, lying or retconning the story, it does because they are clearly not the most knowledgeable of dragons otherwise when there is a human who knows more than them. which would still be insignificant considering the state they are in, and yet Brandish could defeat Natsu with her magic which was stated before she can't affect those with greater magic power. Brandish stated when she performed her Island feat that every Spriggans are capable of this level of power, and that is just her simply flexing. visually, it doesn't show any iron scales as it is a clear different in design, it is not that hard to see and understand even when he visibly changes into them otherwise he would have a grey appearance all the time, https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628446/3-4. DS doesn't grand you strength, only the means to bypass Dragon magic immunity, hence why Mira at top condition did nothing while Wendy weakened could. Wrong, he just said Selene has her original power in tact, https://sorcererweekly.com/reader/read/ft100yq/en/10/82/page/5 not going full power, it simply means that she was not at full power in her human form, it just shows that she is stronger in DF, it is basically hax since different dimensions doesn't translate to physical distance which is more impressive than just crossing dimensions while impressive is incomprehensible, and besides that storm is still small compared to what Makarov could do in Phantom. Like the link said, nothing states that Selene was using full power, that is an assumption. her Dragon Form is no more powerful than other DGs at full power as she stated they are the same level. https://sorcererweekly.com/reader/read/ft100yq/en/11/91/page/14 even she said she would die if they clashed powers, so that means she has no more power compared to others, and using your point from earlier, they would be comparable in abilities, if you wish to insult then I will not follow your demands normally I do not do that for more formal docs.

 

[Hexbend]

or he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about since he said they were the last five dragons, when Elf said there is a 6th, so he is either ignorant, lying or retconning the story, it does because they are clearly not the most knowledgeable of dragons otherwise when there is a human who knows more than them. which would still be insignificant considering the state they are in, and yet Brandish could defeat Natsu with her magic which was stated before she can't affect those with greater magic power. Brandish stated when she performed her Island feat that every Spriggans are capable of this level of power, and that is just her simply flexing. visually, it doesn't show any iron scales as it is a clear different in design, it is not that hard to see and understand even when he visibly changes into them otherwise he would have a grey appearance all the time, https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628446/3-4. DS doesn't grand you strength, only the means to bypass Dragon magic immunity, hence why Mira at top condition did nothing while Wendy weakened could. Wrong, he just said Selene has her original power in tact, https://sorcererweekly.com/reader/read/ft100yq/en/10/82/page/5 not going full power, it simply means that she was not at full power in her human form, it just shows that she is stronger in DF, it is basically hax since different dimensions doesn't translate to physical distance which is more impressive than just crossing dimensions while impressive is incomprehensible, and besides that storm is still small compared to what Makarov could do in Phantom. Like the link said, nothing states that Selene was using full power, that is an assumption. her Dragon Form is no more powerful than other DGs at full power as she stated they are the same level. https://sorcererweekly.com/reader/read/ft100yq/en/11/91/page/14 even she said she would die if they clashed powers, so that means she has no more power compared to others, and using your point from earlier, they would be comparable in abilities, if you wish to insult then I will not follow your demands.

Ignia & Selene comparing power to each other doesn't correlate to the knowledge of someone's where about. Those are two different topics.

Legit beat Natsu when he wasn't paying attention, and MP doesn't always correlate to physical power. Brandish saying every Spriggans is capable of such a feat doesn't = to every Spriggan is equal in all stats. Especially since it was shown as such

This was changed a long time ago, give it either to Ueda being lazy to draw it or not. <As can be seen here> Whether DS magic grants strength is another topic, but it does bypass dragon scales. Which means Brandish cannot perform what Gajeel did to Aldo or scales to him.

Basically saying her power is full and this having this effect is because of her getting serious. Then adding the comments about himself and Aldo imply her in that moment is greater then them. Better yet, Merc says that this is the power of a dragon god implying yet again, her supremacy to the others when weakened. We have no idea how big the storm is, so moot comparison.

She can easily be using her FP of magic in MP, but if wanna go that route then sure go ahead. Human Selene > weaken DGs still stands. Yes we all know DGs are comparable equal to each other, but we know that Selene is the only one of those Aldo & Merc who wasn't weakened.

So please tell me how Suzaku will lose to Irene if he is stated stronger then Human Selene >= Acno? Same Irene who was struggling with Erza + Wendy ?

 

[WoWfan]

Ignia & Selene comparing power to each other doesn't correlate to the knowledge of someone's where about. Those are two different topics.

Legit beat Natsu when he wasn't paying attention, and MP doesn't always correlate to physical power. Brandish saying every Spriggans is capable of such a feat doesn't = to every Spriggan is equal in all stats. Especially since it was shown as such

This was changed a long time ago, give it either to Ueda being lazy to draw it or not. <As can be seen here> Whether DS magic grants strength is another topic, but it does bypass dragon scales. Which means Brandish cannot perform what Gajeel did to Aldo or scales to him.

Basically saying her power is full and this having this effect is because of her getting serious. Then adding the comments about himself and Aldo imply her in that moment is greater then them. Better yet, Merc says that this is the power of a dragon god implying yet again, her supremacy to the others when weakened. We have no idea how big the storm is, so moot comparison.

She can easily be using her FP of magic in MP, but if wanna go that route then sure go ahead. Human Selene > weaken DGs still stands. Yes we all know DGs are comparable equal to each other, but we know that Selene is the only one of those Aldo & Merc who wasn't weakened.

So please tell me how Suzaku will lose to Irene if he is stated stronger then Human Selene >= Acno? Same Irene who was struggling with Erza + Wendy ?

It would since they have no idea that there is a 6th DG among them and they have no means to sense it? they must be senseless or ignorant, unless they fought against Acno and won, you can't say they are at a higher level unless they actually fought. That is basically the same thing for Neinhart since he would have no idea what would happen, even in combat with Lucy as she had no idea what happened until after it did, Natsu was focused on Brandish and prepared to fight her, don't know where you got this whole "not paying attention" thing. it actually does such as with the MPF in the GMG where they used spells against it. Again, it does, she literally said they are this strong, you can't spin it any other way, they scale, simple as that. even in the manga before the sequel, Iron scales change is the same, unless he uses them or not is based on his conscious use, even so, it would be considered artistic inconsistency, remember when Nirvana had seven legs or Jackal had a different tail? because DS doesn't give strength, just the means to use Dragon based power, otherwise Natsu would be above Jura since he can harm a dragon and Jura can't, and at that time he was around Laxus level, it means that Brandish does scale since DS is hax worthy, the strength is determined by the output and individual. He literally just said her original power is in tact, unless she uses her full power is another story, that is a massive assumption, considering of course her human form would be greater than Merc in his human form considering that he had no control of his own power which is a nerf, since she stated otherwise and that she is still comparable to other DGs unless stated otherwise, that still stands, and her human form was defeated by a non-dragon god which disproves she was using her full power as a Dragon Form DG, and straight from the horses mouth that she only used an extend of her true power, https://sorcererweekly.com/reader/read/ft100yq/en/11/91/page/4. so she did not go full power as you claim. Well considering that Brandish power (even with DG) can still stagger a mildly weakened Aldoron, Irene basically toyed with them, and Erza was empowered by Irene's enchantment when Wendy possessed her, even Wendy who is far stronger than she looks and has DS magic which can hurt dragons and who has great potential as Irene said, and she was acknowledged by Acno as well so she is legit strong, compared to Suzaku who fought against Erza and Natsu, both who came out of battle and were not at full power and Suzaku coward to Dragon Form Suzaku.

 

[kenedyfake]

Irene has a chance to show more with Wendy's body and increase her level. But I see Suzaku winning now.

 

[Static]

It would since they have no idea that there is a 6th DG among them and they have no means to sense it? they must be senseless or ignorant, unless they fought against Acno and won, you can't say they are at a higher level unless they actually fought. That is basically the same thing for Neinhart since he would have no idea what would happen, even in combat with Lucy as she had no idea what happened until after it did, Natsu was focused on Brandish and prepared to fight her, don't know where you got this whole "not paying attention" thing. it actually does such as with the MPF in the GMG where they used spells against it. Again, it does, she literally said they are this strong, you can't spin it any other way, they scale, simple as that. even in the manga before the sequel, Iron scales change is the same, unless he uses them or not is based on his conscious use, even so, it would be considered artistic inconsistency, remember when Nirvana had seven legs or Jackal had a different tail? because DS doesn't give strength, just the means to use Dragon based power, otherwise Natsu would be above Jura since he can harm a dragon and Jura can't, and at that time he was around Laxus level, it means that Brandish does scale since DS is hax worthy, the strength is determined by the output and individual. He literally just said her original power is in tact, unless she uses her full power is another story, that is a massive assumption, considering of course her human form would be greater than Merc in his human form considering that he had no control of his own power which is a nerf, since she stated otherwise and that she is still comparable to other DGs unless stated otherwise, that still stands, and her human form was defeated by a non-dragon god which disproves she was using her full power as a Dragon Form DG, and straight from the horses mouth that she only used an extend of her true power, https://sorcererweekly.com/reader/read/ft100yq/en/11/91/page/4. so she did not go full power as you claim. Well considering that Brandish power (even with DG) can still stagger a mildly weakened Aldoron, Irene basically toyed with them, and Erza was empowered by Irene's enchantment when Wendy possessed her, even Wendy who is far stronger than she looks and has DS magic which can hurt dragons and who has great potential as Irene said, and she was acknowledged by Acno as well so she is legit strong, compared to Suzaku who fought against Erza and Natsu, both who came out of battle and were not at full power and Suzaku coward to Dragon Form Suzaku.

They do know about the sixth dragon though, at least Selene does, that's why she sent Diabolos to the Labyrinth in the first place lol.

 

[WoWfan]

Well Irene was using Wendy's hidden potential in Alvarez, but even then Wendy stated that Irene's power was greater.

They do know about the sixth dragon though, at least Selene does, that's why she sent Diabolos to the Labyrinth in the first place lol.

Ignia definitely did not since he said the last five dragons when he met with Natsu, I believe she said her first order was to kill Elferinia, no mention of a sixth dragon god, which is likely another change in goal (since that is apparently her thing) even so, Diabolos don't know what's down there where they are (and they still believe there are 5 dragon gods), either Selene doesn't know either or is lying to them, if it is the former, how much can we really trust from her?

 

[Hexbend]

It would since they have no idea that there is a 6th DG among them and they have no means to sense it? they must be senseless or ignorant, unless they fought against Acno and won, you can't say they are at a higher level unless they actually fought. That is basically the same thing for Neinhart since he would have no idea what would happen, even in combat with Lucy as she had no idea what happened until after it did, Natsu was focused on Brandish and prepared to fight her, don't know where you got this whole "not paying attention" thing. it actually does such as with the MPF in the GMG where they used spells against it. Again, it does, she literally said they are this strong, you can't spin it any other way, they scale, simple as that. even in the manga before the sequel, Iron scales change is the same, unless he uses them or not is based on his conscious use, even so, it would be considered artistic inconsistency, remember when Nirvana had seven legs or Jackal had a different tail? because DS doesn't give strength, just the means to use Dragon based power, otherwise Natsu would be above Jura since he can harm a dragon and Jura can't, and at that time he was around Laxus level, it means that Brandish does scale since DS is hax worthy, the strength is determined by the output and individual. He literally just said her original power is in tact, unless she uses her full power is another story, that is a massive assumption, considering of course her human form would be greater than Merc in his human form considering that he had no control of his own power which is a nerf, since she stated otherwise and that she is still comparable to other DGs unless stated otherwise, that still stands, and her human form was defeated by a non-dragon god which disproves she was using her full power as a Dragon Form DG, and straight from the horses mouth that she only used an extend of her true power, https://sorcererweekly.com/reader/read/ft100yq/en/11/91/page/4. so she did not go full power as you claim. Well considering that Brandish power (even with DG) can still stagger a mildly weakened Aldoron, Irene basically toyed with them, and Erza was empowered by Irene's enchantment when Wendy possessed her, even Wendy who is far stronger than she looks and has DS magic which can hurt dragons and who has great potential as Irene said, and she was acknowledged by Acno as well so she is legit strong, compared to Suzaku who fought against Erza and Natsu, both who came out of battle and were not at full power and Suzaku coward to Dragon Form Suzaku.

Having knowledge of someone's power =/= knowledge of someone's whereabouts. This a huge reach on your part lmao, also we have enough statements from characters to not doubt what Hiro is trying to tell us about the DGs power.

The one time Brandish used her magic on Natsu, he was legit on friendly terms with her and not against her nor paying any real attention to her. The Neinhart example and Lucy example both suck as Neinhart was amped above Brandish and Lucy was weaker then her. What? You lost me in that mess of a sentence? She said their capable of such feats/this strong, doesn't mean their all equal. Each of the Spriggan's performances made that clear.

Or Gajeel doesn't need to go iron mode to use the scales. Eiteher way that's something he used against Aldo which Brandish doesn't posses.
Listen to yourself....Brandish can't match Gajeel's output because she's weaker then him physically by feats, not only that she can't scale to Gajeel's performance against Aldo because she doesn't posses DS magic. The magic that allows DS to hurt Dragons, the one Brandish doesn't posses.

Wow has the concept of periods and capitals letters not matter to you?

Anyway, we know Selene = DGs at their FP, but Merc and Aldo were never at full power. Merc's statement implies that the Selene, he felt was greater then him and Aldo weakened. You keep saying Selene = DGs and Selene said she held back her FP, but that doesn't matter. As Selene is being compared to two weakened DGs in her human form.

Brandish never performed such a feat and you know it. It was Gajeel + his size that staggered a weakened Aldo, again with examples shown above staggering someone doesn't equate to jack.
Irene toyed with Erza and Wendy for a little then she got cocky and started getting pushed back, in the end she got severely hurt from one DS enhanced slash. What do you think a DS slash from someone far stronger will do to her?
Acknowledged by Acno =/= actually beating a Acno tier opponent, and Suzaku was also acknowledged by Selene so nothing special.

Erza and Natsu were in no shape or form weakened in any considerable fashion, and if we wanna play this game. Erza and Wendy were in far worse shape against Irene.

How does Suzaku getting shook at a Dragon Selene translate to inferiority to Irene? Like Suzaku actually is stated stronger then a Human Selene so that already puts him above Irene in terms of statements.

Can't believe I've waisted so much time with someone who's mostly likely a troll, because any sensible person knows these FT takes aren't serious. Most likely last reply, word of advice WoWfan, there's a reason your in the minority and no one backs you with these takes.

 

[WoWfan]

Having knowledge of someone's power =/= knowledge of someone's whereabouts. This a huge reach on your part lmao, also we have enough statements from characters to not doubt what Hiro is trying to tell us about the DGs power.

The one time Brandish used her magic on Natsu, he was legit on friendly terms with her and not against her nor paying any real attention to her. The Neinhart example and Lucy example both suck as Neinhart was amped above Brandish and Lucy was weaker then her. What? You lost me in that mess of a sentence? She said their capable of such feats/this strong, doesn't mean their all equal. Each of the Spriggan's performances made that clear.

Or Gajeel doesn't need to go iron mode to use the scales. Eiteher way that's something he used against Aldo which Brandish doesn't posses.
Listen to yourself....Brandish can't match Gajeel's output because she's weaker then him physically by feats, not only that she can't scale to Gajeel's performance against Aldo because she doesn't posses DS magic. The magic that allows DS to hurt Dragons, the one Brandish doesn't posses.

Wow has the concept of periods and capitals letters not matter to you?

Anyway, we know Selene = DGs at their FP, but Merc and Aldo were never at full power. Merc's statement implies that the Selene, he felt was greater then him and Aldo weakened. You keep saying Selene = DGs and Selene said she held back her FP, but that doesn't matter. As Selene is being compared to two weakened DGs in her human form.

Brandish never performed such a feat and you know it. It was Gajeel + his size that staggered a weakened Aldo, again with examples shown above staggering someone doesn't equate to jack.
Irene toyed with Erza and Wendy for a little then she got cocky and started getting pushed back, in the end she got severely hurt from one DS enhanced slash. What do you think a DS slash from someone far stronger will do to her?
Acknowledged by Acno =/= actually beating a Acno tier opponent, and Suzaku was also acknowledged by Selene so nothing special.

Erza and Natsu were in no shape or form weakened in any considerable fashion, and if we wanna play this game. Erza and Wendy were in far worse shape against Irene.



How does Suzaku getting shook at a Dragon Selene translate to inferiority to Irene? Like Suzaku actually is stated stronger then a Human Selene so that already puts him above Irene in terms of statements.

Can't believe I've waisted so much time with someone who's mostly likely a troll, because any sensible person knows these FT takes aren't serious. Most likely last reply, word of advice WoWfan, there's a reason your in the minority and no one backs you with these takes.

Just like assuming that Selene having a stronger form compared to Acno when the two never fought before, and the statements never put any of them over the other without any nerfing. He was not, he was even prepared to fight her, stated so himself, he was fully paying attention to her https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628892/4, being amped makes no difference is definitely the same as he was paying attention to her and was ready to fight, same with Lucy, regardless of the circumstances, Natsu was no different and so his MP would be below hers since she could affect his body. What are you even talking about, they are stated multiple times they are of equal stature, https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628831/20, there you go by visuals alone, it doesn't matter since even the Phoenix's full power could destroy the world and is stated to rival that of Zeref's, they are all capable of similar stats via scaling to one another such as Brandish making nations vanish and Wall's Etherion. Clearly he does since his appearance changes when he uses iron scales, he did not use those scales when he was pounding away against Aldo until it was revealed that he did which is evident. Brandish is the same level as a Spriggan, and a Spriggan is above what Gajeel is capable of, he needed help and power up from a Spriggan which cost him some lifespan, she can because she managed to make him that big, that is how it works, otherwise, she wouldn't at all, that is not how it works, DS doesn't make you stronger, but Brandish's magic does as it alters mass. Since you are insulting when I stated before, I don't worry about such thing for unformal occasions like this one. Selene was only at partial strength when she is in human form, that is a fact, it is basically no different to her being nerfed to the other two, it is that simple. which Brandish can alter her size too and capable of such a feat, the only thing stopping her was lack of DS which Gajeel has, no different when it comes to AP scaling especially being able to hinder a near full power DG in their Dragon Form. Irene was still able to hold her own when she still had Irene's enchantment powering her plus DS enchantment too which would make it a more fair fight. That is my point, even then, when you have two characters of the similar tier acknowledge you, you are no pushovers. they were weakened when expending magic to fight, Erza was hardly that weakened since she healed before the final battle and it was Irene attacking her most of the time, Wendy hardly did any real fighting until she joined Erza, and as Iren proven, even with those injuries, Wendy Belserion could still overpower Erza and move quite well. given, however, Selene did not have Magic immunity like Acno, and considering that Selene was perfectly fine even in human form later would make a feat like that questionable when Irene could send someone like Acno away, which in technical be a victory. That's funny, because I was looking at talks about debates like this here on Mangahelper, particularly FT, how they said that certain people here make fights into memes and complain about it as it destroys your headcanon, and how it "doesn't look visually impressive" doesn't make it valid scaling reason.

 

[Brandish μ]

Hmm, comments this chapter from Erza indicate Suzaku is stronger, being powerful beyond reason.

Also comments this chapter from Erza indicate Suzaku tiers will be defeated by Fairy Tail.

Decisions...

 

[grey matter]

Hmm, comments this chapter from Erza indicate Suzaku is stronger, being powerful beyond reason.

Also comments this chapter from Erza indicate Suzaku tiers will be defeated by Fairy Tail.

Decisions...

Yeah, just like every villain will be defeated by FT. By the end of the series, the top tier FT will reach close to BDSK, while Natsu close to DG tier.
It will just mean the good guys will reach a level where Spriggans will become like demon gates to them, i.e completley power crept. I don't see any conflicting issue here, esp related to BDSK vs Spriggans

 

[Brandish μ]

Yeah, just like every villain will be defeated by FT. By the end of the series, the top tier FT will reach close to BDSK, while Natsu close to DG tier.
It will just mean the good guys will reach a level where Spriggans will become like demon gates to them, i.e completley power crept. I don't see any conflicting issue here, esp related to BDSK vs Spriggans

Well, I can't see any of the knights beating Gildarts, but that's beside the point.

Suzaku should be considered the better fighter, while Irene would be the more powerful magician. I'm close to voting Suzaku but want to see how he fares in a better fight before committing.

 

[grey matter]

Well, I can't see any of the knights beating Gildarts, but that's beside the point.

Suzaku should be considered the better fighter, while Irene would be the more powerful magician. I'm close to voting Suzaku but want to see how he fares in a better fight before committing.

Probably true. But that would just mean current Gildarts destroys Eileen. That's like trying to scale Bluenote to Serena cause Gildarts one year later was portrayed with Serena. It's the same situation here, again one year later

Why is one shotting a much stronger Erza than what Eileen faced not sufficient?
Anyway, if the "Suzaku > human Selene" statement stands, that means Suzaku one shots Eileen, I hope you can agree with that.

 

[Brandish μ]

Why is one shotting a much stronger Erza than what Eileen faced not sufficient?

Because it's not a real fight. It's an indication, but that oneshot is a very unreliable feat.

Anyway, if the "Suzaku > human Selene" statement stands, that means Suzaku one shots Eileen, I hope you can agree with that.

I don't think Suzaku can oneshot Irene. Acno (human) couldn't oneshot Irene, she had enough skill to dual him. Well, I think Acno is superior to Suzaku. And at best, human Selene is human Acno level.

 

[grey matter]

Because it's not a real fight. It's an indication, but that oneshot is a very unreliable feat.

Suzaku gave them a warning. Erza managed to block one attack (which means it wasn't an off guard attack by any means), and got one shot by the next.
He was simply much stronger and faster.

To put it in perspective, he did as much damage, if not more, than what Laxus did the entire fight.
And far more damage than Eileen did (considering x793 Erza >> x792 Erza). All with a single blow

If she performs better next round, that would just mean she improved.

I don't think Suzaku can oneshot Irene. Acno (human) couldn't oneshot Irene, she had enough skill to dual him. Well, I think Acno is superior to Suzaku. And at best, human Selene is human Acno level

Human Acno would definitely one shot Eileen if he's serious. Proof is August not even registering what had transpired before Acno one shot Serena and reached like 100m behind them. You can replace Serena by August or Eileen there and the result would've been identical. Human Acno could one shot even Zeref, everyone was one shot material to him in Alverez arc.

She dualled a playful Acno, something which got replicated and upstaged by Jellal. Doesn't mean she can do anything to human Acno

 

[Brandish μ]

Human Acno would definitely one shot Eileen if he's serious. Proof is August not even registering what had transpired before Acno one shot Serena and reached like 100m behind them. You can replace Serena by August or Eileen there and the result would've been identical. Human Acno could one shot even Zeref, everyone was one shot material to him in Alverez arc.

Irene did have more intent, given that she had U1 up her sleeve. She wasn't stumbled upon by a random Acnologia, it was kinda the opposite. So it's reasonable that she performed well. Acno reacted with force but didn't touch Irene. I can concede he didn't have murderous intent like he did with God Serena.

August would've been oneshotted if Acno wanted to, in that moment. But if he was going after Acno and had the confidence to do so, I don't think he gets oneshotted.

She dualled a playful Acno,

This is kind of my point.

Erza and Natsu were not "protect my guild" serious. It's similar to calling Acno playful. In the sense he didn't "Serena" Irene.

We saw Selene legit oneshot Georg, which undoes some of Suzaku's portrayal from the Natsu/Erza oneshot. What we have left to gauge his PL is:
- Suzaku and the knights are high tier wizards of his continent, maybe the top tier. They were below Georg.
- Suzaku is (minimum) one tier above the other 3 in Diabolos. The weakest of them was easily defeated by Laxus, but not oneshotted... the other two held their own against Mira and Elfman.
- Kiria did not help portray Suzaku well, but that could be her personality.
- Suzaku defeated human Selene. The conflict here is that Selene was the one to admit it, there's a reasonable possibility that she is lying.
- Erza's statement about Suzaku's power being beyond reason, which was followed by a statement about taking Diabolos down.

He's certainly strong, but we're not talking mind altering portrayal. I think he'll end up developing more strength though.

 

[WoWfan]

Because it's not a real fight. It's an indication, but that oneshot is a very unreliable feat.



I don't think Suzaku can oneshot Irene. Acno (human) couldn't oneshot Irene, she had enough skill to dual him. Well, I think Acno is superior to Suzaku. And at best, human Selene is human Acno level.

Right, besides, Erza was not at her best then and could still react to Suzaku, and for your later post, Erza and Natsu not being serious “Protect your Guild” level, is kind of the formula thing for villains of the series, stated to be powerful beyond measure, when something makes MC mad or against FT, they find a way to win. LoL

 

[Axiomus]

Because it's not a real fight. It's an indication, but that oneshot is a very unreliable feat.

I don't think Suzaku can oneshot Irene. Acno (human) couldn't oneshot Irene, she had enough skill to dual him. Well, I think Acno is superior to Suzaku. And at best, human Selene is human Acno level.

How was it not a real fight? It would be one thing if it was an outlier, and he's not able to replicate this feat. But he can. He oneshotted Natsu right afterwards, which puts consistency to what he did to Erza. Then he went on to cut some of Selene's attacks and dealt significant damage to Selene's human form, which is simply more impressive than oneshotting Erza. By all rights, stomping Erza was the LEAST impressive thing he did that day. He moved on to greater and better things.

No, Acno can oneshot anybody if he wants to. He's fast enough to blitz and strong enough to gut. He just never made a serious effort to hit Irene, so she was able to dodge out of his explosion.

We saw Selene legit oneshot Georg, which undoes some of Suzaku's portrayal from the Natsu/Erza oneshot. :

No it doesn't, because Selene tells us that Suzaku is superior to her human form. So everything he showed thus far still stands. It just means there's a large gap between a God Dragon's human form and their dragon form. Selene could have done that to anybody she wanted to.

 

[WoWfan]

Both were not at top condition, Suzaku just cut then when they were not at their best, plus cloth armor forsakes all defense for offense, difference is Selene is just a dragon, and Acno is a Magic Dragon. I don’t take what Selene says seriously when her wounds disappeared when going back into a human form, none of the dragons showed that.