Chapter Tower of God Chapter 514 Spoilers & Discussion

[Jyu viole grace]

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I know it's written chapter 513 but it's chapter 514,chack it out

Tower Of God Chapter 513 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[paulbee]

You are beside the point honestly .

I am saying that I disagree with the Statement by you that irregulars are similar to guardians/administrators in status. I would place the administrators higher than all or most irregulars. Obviously Phanta and Enryu are different.

 

[lazybum]

I don’t even understand how a war can turn into a game . It is okay for test floor , but in a real war it isn’t realistic .

Reading through SIU's blogposts, I got bad news to you : "Tower of God is a story in which I use ‘tests’ and 'games’ for the bigger storyline." link here

Looks like games are here to stay even we're at war. Thanks to Guardian to make this happen I guess.

 

[Yhamir ♤♧]

Idk what led us to this topic but the tower was made for irregulars so they are normally inferior to guardians (excluding phanta and enryu) so irregulars are here to really "climb" the tower (zahard established the rules for the regulars) so I don’t think irregulars are supposed to be like guardians

 

[Consul N]

The tower residents are just NPCs while the irregulars are the real players in the game. Lol Hoaqin

 

[Yhamir ♤♧]

The tower residents are just NPCs while the irregulars are the real players in the game. Lol Hoquain

Lmaoo exactly

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The tower residents are just NPCs while the irregulars are the real players in the game. Lol Hoquain

Guardians are just devs

 

[lazybum]

Guardians are just devs

Then Enryu and Phanta are hackers?

 

[Yhamir ♤♧]

Then Enryu and Phanta are hackers?

Yup or even more than that

 

[paulbee]

Yup or even more than that

Then Enryu and Phanta are hackers?

So What's Bam?

 

[Yhamir ♤♧]

So What's Bam?

A virus

 

[Anzere1stclass]

As far as I know, Enne was really very powerful. However her parents are both Wave Controllers as I recall. If her powers were likewise, then she would have the same limits as all wave controllers and In the end she can only max out close to Gustang or Eurasia, but not more than them.

The really confusing thing is the question of why are irregulars so different? Certainly there are privilege's granted by the Tower and sometimes by the Administrators to irregulars, (except for Phantaminum and Enryuu, who I don't think got favors from the Tower and certainly not from the administrators) So besides the aforementioned privileges, the strength of irregulars must be strength they got from their own ancestors, their own genes.

I suspect that the Tower must be inhibiting the descendants of the irregulars and limiting their abilities, other Genetics would support some descendants eventually superseding their ancestors or parents by mutations, evolution, and natural selection.

It's stated that enne is a fisherman rather than wave controller

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Idk what led us to this topic but the tower was made for irregulars so they are normally inferior to guardians (excluding phanta and enryu) so irregulars are here to really "climb" the tower (zahard established the rules for the regulars) so I don’t think irregulars are supposed to be like guardians

Well bam could potentially be on administrator height because he has an administrator power like but he is more probably on the same height as enryu

 

[Turtle hunter]

I am saying that I disagree with the Statement by you that irregulars are similar to guardians/administrators in status. I would place the administrators higher than all or most irregulars. Obviously Phanta and Enryu are different.

If you want to say that they are higher existence i agree , but the fact is that they can take shinsoo by themselve same as irregular . Which in some way in the tower means they are at the same rank .

 

[paulbee]

It's stated that enne is a fisherman rather than wave controller

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I believe that she is a Wave Controller, energy and shinsoo manipulation, by type of innate powers, but her battle position in a squad is as a frontline attacker which is called a Fisherman. She is quite like Bam in this regard.

I'm happy to be corrected by those who remember things better than I do.

 

[Cinera]

Well zahard is more powerful than any 10 great family head even arlen and V he wasn't their leader for nothing dude he defeated Arie hon the most powerful ten great warriors for over 10 time !! There are all like bam friends who could never surpass him but unlike them they are god like being for the inhabitants

1. Zahard defeating Arie Hon happened before they entered the Tower.
2. It's only mentioned in outdated lore posts, and so it's canonicity is in doubt.
   1. In particular, Arie Hon became Zahard's servant after losing to him.
   2. Yet, Arie Hon sent no assistance to the Zahard Army at the Nest.
   3. It's the Lo Po Bia (and not the Arie) that have been noted to be very loyal to Zahard.

Data Zahard couldn't overcome Data Eduan, despite using his shinsu quality and internal quality shinsu control.

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With zahard the lore has always made the point of his brutish strength.

Examples? I'm not aware of any.

The Zahard Princesses? Yes, but as I've established, Zahard Princesses are abnormal even when compared to Zahard himself.

Even during the fight between data jahad and bam we saw how much zahard's strength played into the battle. Bam ended up a bloody mess every time a fist from zahard even approached him.

That's just Baam being shit at physical stats.

A Zahard boosting his physical stats through Shinwonryu Internal Quality Shinsu Control (IQSC) could not overcome an Eduan that wasn't using IQSC.

We have exactly zero details on that. Even when aguero talked with androsi and bam he said he won't reveal his motives.

He didn't want to let them know the truth, cause admitting he was in love is embarassing.

His conversations with Rak and his flashbacks in Season 1 make that pretty clear though.

 

[kkck]

Examples? I'm not aware of any.

The Zahard Princesses? Yes, but as I've established, Zahard Princesses are abnormal even when compared to Zahard himself.



That's just Baam being shit at physical stats.

A Zahard boosting his physical stats through Shinwonryu Internal Quality Shinsu Control (IQSC) could not overcome an Eduan that wasn't using IQSC.

The old lore specifically mentions zahard's brutish strength. Which fits pretty well with the princesses that get a portion of his power also getting absurdly strong bodies.

Bam is without a doubt shit at physical stats but what zahard did to him is still ridiculous. Even through the hidden floor arc any time someone even scratched zahard it was treated as a big deal.

He didn't want to let them know the truth, cause admitting he was in love is embarassing.

His conversations with Rak and his flashbacks in Season 1 make that pretty clear though.

That's a nice theory but also a pretty big assumption of something of which we actually lack context and specifics.

 

[zoradante1]

1. Zahard defeating Arie Hon happened before they entered the Tower.
2. It's only mentioned in outdated lore posts, and so it's canonicity is in doubt.
   1. In particular, Arie Hon became Zahard's servant after losing to him.
   2. Yet, Arie Hon sent no assistance to the Zahard Army at the Nest.
   3. It's the Lo Po Bia (and not the Arie) that have been noted to be very loyal to Zahard.

Data Zahard couldn't overcome Data Eduan, despite using his shinsu quality and internal quality shinsu control.

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Examples? I'm not aware of any.

The Zahard Princesses? Yes, but as I've established, Zahard Princesses are abnormal even when compared to Zahard himself.



That's just Baam being shit at physical stats.

A Zahard boosting his physical stats through Shinwonryu Internal Quality Shinsu Control (IQSC) could not overcome an Eduan that wasn't using IQSC.



He didn't want to let them know the truth, cause admitting he was in love is embarassing.

His conversations with Rak and his flashbacks in Season 1 make that pretty clear though.

zahard is known for his physical abilities.Him not overcoming khun eduan with ISQC means nothing. Khun eduan's shinsu quality is best among his companions which would make his ISQC and ESQC best among his companions,besides khun eduan used ESQC againist data z which would enchance his body much better than what data z did with ISQC to his body. You are just throwing baseless assumptions in here dude. Besides baam might be physically far inferior to a 10 gf member when he was fighting data z but his shinsu enchanment was likely even better than ha yurin with thorn,kaiser said are you one of 10 gf members when he saw viole not getting hurt while it was shinsu enchanment's job all along. Plus zahard might be just suck at using ISQC compared to his companions.

 

[Cinera]

As far as I know, Enne was really very powerful. However her parents are both Wave Controllers as I recall. If her powers were likewise, then she would have the same limits as all wave controllers and In the end she can only max out close to Gustang or Eurasia, but not more than them.

She has never been said to be a Wave Controller. Her character profile says she's a Fisherman.

The old lore specifically mentions zahard's brutish strength.

No it does not. This is Zahard's entire character profile:

Rank: 3

Sobriquet: King of Tower
Age: Unknown
Height: 2 m 40 cm
Birthplace: Unknown
Position: Fisherman


'King of Tower' Zahard is the most famous and greatest being in the whole Tower. In the ancient times, when there was no civilization in the Tower, he came into the Tower and built his own empire. Zahard is a great king and a true warrior. Everyone living in the Tower is the son or daughter of Zahard. He is like a god to the habitants of the Tower.

Zahard conquered the Tower with the 10 families, and gained control of the 134 floors from the floor Guardians. (Some floors were conquered by Zahard's daughters.)

He rules over people as the ruler of the tower but is not on the move outside. But the 3rd rank seems poor when reflecting his influence and the splendor of the past. (He was firmly the No. 1 Ranker before Phantaminum and Enryu appeared.)

People who have seen Zahard in battle are very rare, but he is known to have outstanding power, because 'White Sword' Arie Hon, who was even with Urek Mazino had recollected 'I have fought Zahard ten times and always defeated, thereby I became his servant.' Zahard's daughters, who are invested with his powers are all categorized as the 'Ultimate species'.

Zahard is currently resting, leaving the outside activities to his daughters, but a lot of people are expecting the day Zahard moves will be the day when the limit to the Tower becomes another floor up.

Of course, more and more people are anticipating for Zahard's 'only son' who is to be born someday.

His "outstanding power" is mentioned, but physical strength itself has never been highlighted.

Bam is without a doubt shit at physical stats but what zahard did to him is still ridiculous.

Any other Irregular could do that.

Even through the hidden floor arc any time someone even scratched zahard it was treated as a big deal.

Eduan was never once damaged.

zahard is known for his physical abilities.

What evidence do you have for this claim? I've seen nothing of this sort.

Him not overcoming khun eduan with ISQC means nothing. Khun eduan's shinsu quality is best among his companions which would make his ISQC and ESQC best among his companions,besides khun eduan used ESQC againist data z which would enchance his body much better than what data z did with ISQC to his body. You are just throwing baseless assumptions in here dude.

No it doesn't. Eduan can achieve Redan (several times boost to all his stats) without consuming a lightning pill. We've seen this:

It looks exactly like Maschenny's Redan:

So Eduan had a several times physical stat boost that he DID not use against Data Zahard, while Zahard was using his maximum stat boost.

 

[Cinera]

arie hon being defeated ten time by zahard is Canon

In the lore, this happened before they even entered the Tower.

without a doubt he is second after zahard

Headcanon.

 

[Lady pompom]

Guys, tone down the discussion on power levels, we have like 3 different threads where you can talk about it, please take the discussions there:

Discussion - Make your regular (E&D class) tier list

Wow, that was a pretty detailed list. I'll try to do something similar, although not as detailed as yours. From weakest (Tier 1) to strongest (Tier 11) seen thus far. What is inside the parenthesis is the potential the characters inside that tier can reach at their peak (HR means High Ranker)...

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Discussion - Ranking the Irregulars

Well i was talking about a hypothetical fight. If Enryu can kill off Admin i dont think Zahard poses much threat to Enryu. We have seen physcal strength can pose edge but if you have a complete mastery of shinsoo you can do wonders. Nothing beats Shinso mastery of Enryu. His shinso mastery is...

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Discussion - Tower of God Ranking Discussion

it was already mentioned why they hid the order, because there are many rankers of PoBaidu family in Zahard army and as it was already mentioned Orders of Zahard always has 3 options and fulfilling only one option is sufficient so obviously army would choose easiest option and not the toughest...

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From now on, all posts of power level discussions will be moved from this thread, keep that in mind.

 

[lazybum]

Back to Vicente. He seems a bit different from hell train Vicente, I wonder if the fusion of the souls means affecting each other in some way. Hell train Vicente seems straightforward and serious type and this Vicente is a tease. Also, will Vicente honor his "promise" or "deal" with his siblings, ie not making them sleep like Hoaqin did?

Despite not having the talent for spells like his sister Anna, Vicente still persists to learn spells as a mean to get stronger. Considering SIU is pretty vague about spells, and spells have existed since the beginning of the Tower, could spells be a game changer tool that put Regular and Irregular on equal term? This chapter tries to make a big deal about Vicente learning spells when Hoaqin was the one who ended up above his siblings and went after power like madman, and succeeded to some degree (enough to become some kind of "legendary" HR but still nothing close about his true goal).

FUG set up Slayers despite knowing the situation where a Regular can't even reach the heel of Irregular (at least the great warriors), they must have some kind of knowledge of a mean to reach Zahard and the GFs, even before the prophecy about a boy. Arlene who is good with spells must have imparted them knowledge about spells, and that knowledge kept FUG from simply disbanding after losing the only 2 people who can rival the other great warriors. But then again, Khel was convinced that he and his team could take on Zahard, maybe FUG is much more fanatical than I thought.

 

[Consul N]

I said this before, but I'm curious to how SIU plans to power him up again or even his overall role in the story. Please no more backstabbing shenanigans.