Games Mafia Game 97 - Omoneko: Answer Arc - End Game

[Copy Panda]

The witch shall praise the wise and bestow four treasures. One shall be all the gold from the Golden Land. One shall be the resurrection of all the dead souls. One shall be the resurrection of the love that was lost. One shall be to put the witch to sleep for all time.

Post-game
End of Game Death Post
End of Game Winner Post
Updated OP
Night Actions Umi I + Night Actions Umi II
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[Holt]

Oh. And I caught up. Anyway, I'm already exhausted from all that reading. Will properly need some time to collect my thoughts but for now, the Jinx train is at full speed already but I'd honestly pause on this. We should lynch someone else today (feels like probing the claimed dets could turn up something?). As much as it might sound weird, if Jinx is the escort, she can only buy time. If we let her live today, we get to see what happens with Haya. 3 possible scenarios:
1- Haya regains access to the pad- she was blocked by Hoe Jinx (2 confirmations here which is good)
2- Haya doesn't regain access to pad- she died via recruit attemp. Easy lynch tomorrow for Escort Jinx.
3- Haya regains access to the pad but was blocked by Escort Jinx. Imo, this is pretty unlikely.

I've seen criticism for Jinx randomizing her target (which I agree with) but again, these are kinda early stages. Anyway, it's worth mulling over

 

[Shad]

20 pages to backread
so hi, i ll shamelessly ask for a recap of what happened today cuz i reaaaaaaaaaaaaally can't read and i dont know who to vote as i have no idea what happened today. i may end up just not voting anyways if i m still not sure by the time i leave this thread.
so this following part u might not be interested in if u distrust me, so skip if u want.
i had a very awful looooooong day at uni after 30 mins of sleep last night, and it ended up with a surprise project that i have to submit by sunday night (yeah i can totally survive that)... i ve already been an awful player this week barely reading the thread, i was hoping to get back on track this weekend, but that s not possible anymore. so if i stay alive by then just expect worse commitment from me. not sure what to do about that.
so i have now about 30 to 35 mins to make up my mind and see if i'm gonna vote or not, as i'll have a zoom meeting with my group project and i'll just sleep right after it, cuz god i can not stay awake anymore.
aiight, i sound pathetic as fck

so
1. apologies to everyone for being a bad townie (and player in general) for not playing this game as i should. i take full responsibility for that. i simply should not have joined in the first place knowing i'll be busy
2. sorry to shad for doing exactly what u (when townie) hate about some players : NOT READING THE THREAD

Hardy tried to claim psychiatr and failed, then said he is Freeman, was targeted by James the persecutor today, so no need to vote him.

Jinx is our only claimed spy but is the most suspected by everybody today so unless something else happens Jinx will get lynched.

We have 4 claimed detectives, but no results today.

If you are town, you will make it to the end game since scum won't waste an action on somebody not playing and that said won't play any time soon, so assume you will be alive and plan accordingly (depending on your role).

If it makes you feel better daws also is not here.

 

[Cinera]

So yesterday as part of reread of some people I came to assume that Heaven was hinting at Doctor.





In my Doctor game I tried to hint using a similar tactic, talk about my role in the context of mechanic in the third person.







If you try to reeread heaven to figure out the hints he says he is leaving behind, you only find posts of him saying he left a lot of hints, it very hard to actually find the hints themselves, so I felt safe to assume those posts I quoted are the Hints he is talking about.



A night role that is just a spectator? This means not an investigative role, Doctor tho fits the description perfectly.



Another post where he discusses Doctor and the mechanic.



I quoted this post to show that EH does put a lot of thought in how to play his role.



First thing today, he claims doctor, I was really upset since I did reread him that same night and was angry we just got another dumb reveal.





This sounds to me like somebody who realized he fucked up so he is trying to back pedal, didn't push further even tho it obvious to anybody reading, but still gotta not put the spotlight on him since he is not the kind of player that will be targeted early game by scum so there is a high chance he is our only functional protection role and we really need it with so many important roles in the open.



Who is trying to lynch Heaven these past 4 days?
Please if you had him as your top 3 lynch options raise your hand.



This post I just felt like he was still back pedaling since the fuck up.



I think you have 0 votes in D2/D3 didn't check but to make sure, but I remember clearly that at any moment you were the topic of discussion of the day.





He means that Evil mentioned him once since the beginning of the game, when he listed the people that looked like were trying to defend Marm.



Placeholder vote is too advanced of a technique?
So what are you revealing for exactly?
We all know james has a day killing role, he said that D1, we are just waiting to have a clear target like today, for him to shoot.



Did you confirm your sanity to say you don't have a good role?
Did you check the other claimed Detective if they are lying before assuming they are really 4 detectives and hosts are trolling?

This is what triggered me, after all that Doctor hint / reveal, he turns out Detective that forgot to use his night action.

Please investigate him ASAP.

@Equaling Heaven: I find this case against you convincing, and I didn't see you make any defence for yourself. I'd like to hear a reply from you.

I'll be willing to vote you to incentivise said reply.

 

[GrySun]

@Faust @Erinyes @Equaling Heaven

Knox's 7th
It is forbidden for the detective to be the culprit.

So do we all trust each other to be legit detectives?

No

 

[Maryxxi]

Hardy tried to claim psychiatr and failed, then said he is Freeman, was targeted by James the persecutor today, so no need to vote him.

Jinx is our only claimed spy but is the most suspected by everybody today so unless something else happens Jinx will get lynched.

We have 4 claimed detectives, but no results today.

If you are town, you will make it to the end game since scum won't waste an action on somebody not playing and that said won't play any time soon, so assume you will be alive and plan accordingly (depending on your role).

If it makes you feel better daws also is not here.

can i blindly trust u and vote jinx?

 

[Baka Taichou]

Oh. And I caught up. Anyway, I'm already exhausted from all that reading. Will properly need some time to collect my thoughts but for now, the Jinx train is at full speed already but I'd honestly pause on this. We should lynch someone else today (feels like probing the claimed dets could turn up something?). As much as it might sound weird, if Jinx is the escort, she can only buy time. If we let her live today, we get to see what happens with Haya. 3 possible scenarios:
1- Haya regains access to the pad- she was blocked by Hoe Jinx (2 confirmations here which is good)
2- Haya doesn't regain access to pad- she died via recruit attemp. Easy lynch tomorrow for Escort Jinx.
3- Haya regains access to the pad but was blocked by Escort Jinx. Imo, this is pretty unlikely.

I've seen criticism for Jinx randomizing her target (which I agree with) but again, these are kinda early stages. Anyway, it's worth mulling over

I agree with this, also we can ask the dets to investigate her tonight (except DD we now his sanity) and EH cuz he investigated james and got guilty and james prosecuted hardy today, so the other 2 dets would be able to see their sanity. Then we can lynch tomorrow and see the result+ confirm 2 sanities.


But who else to go for?


Edit: removed extra random "but" word.

 

[Cinera]

Jinx is our only claimed spy but is the most suspected by everybody today so unless something else happens Jinx will get lynched.

I thought she claimed Prostitute? Am I missing something?

 

[Belserion]

I wanted to wait for one more night before i reveal but with james being prosecutor and me gettin a guilty result on him, I couldn't allow you to blindly follow the other 3 det claims and results.

On the flip side, them being out in the open would have been a great cover for you to go about your investigations quietly and catch someone out. Now all of you are in mafia sights (unless you're the M. Det).

 

[Farfalla]

If I didn't catch up now, I never would (since I have to work and there'd be even more).



You're not the only one, and I believe Jinx too. Imo, even as scum, Jinx would have better options just distancing herself from the Haya mess? Idk. It would be just as shady if she said she blocked someone else though, especially since that would mean an unknown escort blocked Haya for weird reasons.

My guy makes me feel she is legit. Then again, I'm on the fence because I was hesistant on Marm as well. Also, at this point, there isn't any other immediately suspicious person besides Hardy who has already been marked. Imo, it is a simple case of letting Jinx live one more night. Even if Haya gets blocked or killed by someone else, just the fact that she regains access to her pad with Misha would be sufficient. Imo, Escort is dangerous yes, but not overly so. There are 4 claimed detectives, there's a fair bit of wiggle room. I'd rather we didn't lynch Jinx today

Once you're done reading I'd like to know your take on EH.

 

[Cinera]

Once you're done reading I'd like to know your take on EH.

What's your take?

 

[Holt]

Once you're done reading I'd like to know your take on EH.

I’m done reading already. Like Shad pointed out, there are inconsistencies with EH’s reveal and hint. But he claimed he was actually mishinting to not get killed. Also he apparently missed a night? Tbf, with such a large pool of players, it shouldn’t be extremely difficult to cook up 2 results after discussing with your team? I feel of all the claimed dets, he is the most suspicious one. I’d probably need to go back and reread his posts in isolation but considering the huge backread, not sure when I can do that.

 

[Farfalla]

Oh. And I caught up. Anyway, I'm already exhausted from all that reading. Will properly need some time to collect my thoughts but for now, the Jinx train is at full speed already but I'd honestly pause on this. We should lynch someone else today (feels like probing the claimed dets could turn up something?). As much as it might sound weird, if Jinx is the escort, she can only buy time. If we let her live today, we get to see what happens with Haya. 3 possible scenarios:
1- Haya regains access to the pad- she was blocked by Hoe Jinx (2 confirmations here which is good)
2- Haya doesn't regain access to pad- she died via recruit attemp. Easy lynch tomorrow for Escort Jinx.
3- Haya regains access to the pad but was blocked by Escort Jinx. Imo, this is pretty unlikely.

I've seen criticism for Jinx randomizing her target (which I agree with) but again, these are kinda early stages. Anyway, it's worth mulling over

@Copy Panda @Purity of Magi @GB does a dead mason/recruiter have access to the pad?
Cause the flaw with that is that I assume they do? Otherwise mafia would also get kicked out of their pads and I don't think that happens

 

[Shad]

can i blindly trust u and vote jinx?

You should wait until last hour to vote, but if you need to go now, just do what you want.

I can't tell you what to vote, I'm my self taking risk and may change it.

I think I made a mistake Jinx is claimed hoe not spy.

 

[GrySun]

I honestly am not seeing clearly in these situations. Last day Marm dug her own grave, wasn't even the Det that got her. She was just caught far too unprepared. Cres looked also unprepared at first which could be a repeat of the Marm case, but considering she did claim Prostitute a day before the whole mess it is possible some freak accident happened with her blocking a Recruiter.

Then again punishing her for using disgusting randomizing sounds good as well, if it weren't also punishing us if she were town.

The Dets certainly have some liars, I'd say Erin highest chance among them as weird as Heaven is I'd be impressed if mafia Heaven did the big brain play of putting in something like the "forgot to PM" to fool us into thinking he is genuine, because he doesn't have a lot of experience as mafia I believe. I am fine with DD atm, and Faust is confusing me and he could easily be scum as well.

I'll probably look into who else could be worth a vote, by giving the Dets one more night. A valuable sanity may reveal itself.

Oh. And I caught up. Anyway, I'm already exhausted from all that reading. Will properly need some time to collect my thoughts but for now, the Jinx train is at full speed already but I'd honestly pause on this. We should lynch someone else today (feels like probing the claimed dets could turn up something?). As much as it might sound weird, if Jinx is the escort, she can only buy time. If we let her live today, we get to see what happens with Haya. 3 possible scenarios:
1- Haya regains access to the pad- she was blocked by Hoe Jinx (2 confirmations here which is good)
2- Haya doesn't regain access to pad- she died via recruit attemp. Easy lynch tomorrow for Escort Jinx.
3- Haya regains access to the pad but was blocked by Escort Jinx. Imo, this is pretty unlikely.

I've seen criticism for Jinx randomizing her target (which I agree with) but again, these are kinda early stages. Anyway, it's worth mulling over

This requires either Misha or Haya to be alive next day to tell the tale though. The setup potential is big here if Cres is town. Not sure if it'll work this swimmingly, but I see the potential behind it.

 

[Farfalla]

What's your take?

I don't trust him, prolly the det claim I trust the least

 

[Maryxxi]

You should wait until last hour to vote, but if you need to go now, just do what you want.

I can't tell you what to vote, I'm my self taking risk and may change it.

I think I made a mistake Jinx is claimed hoe not spy.

mmm yeah i get it, so i can't be here by the end of the phase.
i'll either hope up back here right after my meeting ends to cast a vote or not coming back

 

[Farfalla]

I’m done reading already. Like Shad pointed out, there are inconsistencies with EH’s reveal and hint. But he claimed he was actually mishinting to not get killed. Also he apparently missed a night? Tbf, with such a large pool of players, it shouldn’t be extremely difficult to cook up 2 results after discussing with your team? I feel of all the claimed dets, he is the most suspicious one. I’d probably need to go back and reread his posts in isolation but considering the huge backread, not sure when I can do that.

But there could be a reason for a mafia to "make up" a missed investigation. Say he's not mafia det but some other role that didn't act in N1 and was afraid of a Spy calling him out on a lie, so he decided to keep that part legit and say he missed the night. Just an example. And Idk, it's a bit of how things went with Marm, he looks out of character this game as well (actually gotta check later how he behaved about Marm's case).

 

[Maryxxi]

mmm yeah i get it, so i can't be here by the end of the phase.
i'll either hope up back here right after my meeting ends to cast a vote or not coming back

hop* wtf

 

[Farfalla]

Mary, please tell us more about your role?

 

[Copy Panda]

@Copy Panda @Purity of Magi @GB does a dead mason/recruiter have access to the pad?
Cause the flaw with that is that I assume they do? Otherwise mafia would also get kicked out of their pads and I don't think that happens

yes we don't consider access to pads as an active or passive component of the role but rather inherent to allegiance. therefore, illusions can keep talking in pads