Fantasy (Human) Selene vs Eileen

[sharkai]

True, obsolete compared to the likes of Suzaku or Natsu. But obsolete to the likes of Erza? Now we're getting into iffy territory.

As for just having to accept August and Eileen are obsolete.... well yeah, that's how it goes. Mard was more impressive than August and Eileen in his arc, doesn't change the fact that when Alvarez came around, the top tiers of FT are capable of soloing him.

As for a Natsu vs Bluenote situation. There's already been one, Suzaku vs Selene, in fact it's even greater, everyone absolutely lost their mind over it lol. People were literally sperging out over that fight.

Yep. Just like Alvarez Gray would slaughter Tenrou Gildarts lmao. Just the way FT is.

How is it iffy?
Assuming erza plus gray takes out a bdsk. That would still mean erza plus gray can take out human Acnologia.
So are you imply August plus Eileen another August (since you think Eileen is technically a fodder) could have taken out human Acnologia.
Suzaku >= human Selene = human Acnologia
And if gray plus erza defeats a bdsk together. That would mean ...

O and was zero obsolete in edolas arc or tenrou arc. Zancrow vs zero, who do think will win. What about kagura vs bluenote

 

[Sevently]

Then he should have cast a suicide spell when Acno confronted him.

There was still Universe One to use at this moment.

 

[Axiomus]

It would have saved time for Zeref to have FH. It make no sense to think that August needed Ars Magia to only defeat Gildarts, it makes even less sense to think that August need his strongest spell to defeat a guy that he was stomping.

There is no Aldoron seed who is beating Zeref, there is only maybe Aldoron at his FP.

Then August would have used it as soon as he sensed Acno. He didn't. He had a whole fight with Gildarts, and only used Ars Magia after Gildarts made it apparent he wasnt going down easy. It makes even less sense for August to nuke everything if he just wanted to help speed up getting Fairy Heart to Zeref. Acno is immune to his magic and would take zero damage. Zeref and Mavis aren't, and would be hurt. Ars Magia woulda left Acno in a better position than everyone else. If nothing else, it would have left Zeref as the only remaining target for Acno to go after. It would have been far better to stomp Gildarts (if he could, which he couldn't), and then just drag Mavis to Zeref.

Both the Aldoron seed and Wolfen could have beaten Zeref, and Aldoron seed could do it nerfed. It's not a maybe that full power Aldo stomps Zeref. Aldo stomps hard.

What Selene showed in the past few chapters is far greater than what Zeref, August, Irene or Gildarts could ever dream of doing. She splattered George to pieces, and is holding Elfseria as a hostage she can kill at any time. Suzaku is also OP for oneshotting Erza and Natsu, as well as being strong enough to beat Selene's human form.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

There was still Universe One to use at this moment.

The universe is irrelevant to what you are saying. August was literally pissed at Irene for casting Universe one without Zeref's Approval which means he didn't want her to cast it and August could have cast Args Magia to buy time against Acno if it really mattered.

 

[grey matter]

The denial here is absolutely ridiculous, but not surprising at all.

Quite a few people have a hard time imagining August and Eileen to be surpassed, for their supposed dominance in their arcs.
WHY? It's basic power creep

People forgot how dominant Mard Geer was, in his arc?
The guy was >= CSK in his base, no diff'd LFD Natsu and twin dragons in his base, and tanked all out assault of x791 DF Natsu with minimal damage. To put in perspective how crazy this feat is, x792 DF Natsu's all out assault obliterated the entire body of FH Zeref, who is above the likes of August and Eileen in his base

Yet he was surpassed. August and Eileen would destroy Mard Geer, even though the dominance he asserted in his arc, was far above even what Zeref (Alverez main villain) or the Spriggans asserted in their arcs
And, Eileen wasn't even that dominant. She couldn't put down x792 Erza in her base. In fact, if not for her dragon form, she isn't even that impressive in x792. Same with Zeref. He couldn't put down base Natsu, and it it weren't for FH/space-time magic, DF Natsu would've defeated him, not really impressive either


The top tiers of older arcs get blown away by the top tiers of newer arcs. It's classic shounen power creep 101. Don't understand why it's so hard to get it.
Mard Geer got powercrept by Zeref/August/Eileen. Similarly, Zeref/August/Eileen are getting powercrept by the black knights. Should be fairly straightforward logic, but apparently not !!


It's amazing how we have a character who one shotted much stronger versions of Natsu and Erza than who Zeref/Eileen faced; and then went onto extreme diff a human Acno tier (a feat even unimaginable in x792).
And instead of accepting the obvious implication of power creep, people make excuses and outright go against the author's claims/portrayal:
- Natsu and Erza were "tired". Yea, Natsu fought Lucy and a couple of Yokai, Erza fought Youko for a couple of minutes. Big deal.
While conveniently ignoring the fact that Natsu and Erza were in MUCH worse state before the fought Zeref and Eileen
- Selene is not Acno tier.
Well, in your headcanon she isn't. But in reality she is Acno tier, cause that's what Mashima wants


"But the good guys will soon beat him"
Ok. And?
I suppose Mard Geer >>>> Zeref since he shrugged off x791 DF Natsu while FH Zeref got disintegrated by x792 DF Natsu; since by their logic the good guys don't get stronger

 

[sharkai]

The denial here is absolutely ridiculous, but not surprising at all.

Quite a few people have a hard time imagining August and Eileen to be surpassed, for their supposed dominance in their arcs.
WHY? It's basic power creep

People forgot how dominant Mard Geer was in his arc?
The guy was >= CSK in his base, no diff'd LFD Natsu and twin dragons in his base, and tanked all out assault of x791 DF Natsu with minimal damage. To put in perspective how crazy this feat is, x792 DF Natsu's all out assault obliterated the entire body of FH Zeref, who is above the likes of August and Eileen in his base

Yet he was surpassed. August and Eileen would destroy Mard Geer, even though the dominance he asserted in his arc, was far above even what Zeref (Alverez main villain) or the Spriggans asserted in their arcs
And, Eileen wasn't even that dominant. She couldn't put down x792 Erza in her base. In fact, if not for her dragon form, she isn't even that impressive in x792. Same with Zeref. He couldn't put down base Natsu, and it it weren't for FH/space-time magic, DF Natsu would've defeated him, not really impressive either


The top tiers of older arcs get blown away by the top tiers of newer arcs. It's classic shounen power creep 101. Don't understand why it's so hard to get it
Mard Geer got powercrept by Zeref/August/Eileen. Similarly, Zeref/August/Eileen are getting powercrept by the black knights. Should be fairly straightforward logic, but apparently not !!


It's amazing how we have a character who one shotted much stronger versions of Natsu and Erza than who Zeref/Eileen faced; and then went onto extreme diff a human Acno tier (a feat even unimaginable in x792).
And instead of accepting the obvious implication of power creep, people make excuses and outright go against the author's claims/portrayal:
- Natsu and Erza were "tired". Yea, Natsu fought Lucy and a couple of Yokai, Erza fought Youko for a couple of minutes. Big deal.
While conveniently ignoring the fact that Natsu and Erza were in MUCH worse state before the fought Zeref and Eileen
- Selene is not Acno tier.
Well, in your headcanon she isn't. But in reality she is Acno tier, cause that's what Mashima wants

Because we are not dumb. Mishma loves to hype. And that train derails fuking everytime.
Power creep is shown in every time skip. In this one brandish already has an awesome feat under her belt. And Eileen knowledge was enough to handle a moonshine goddess.
I am just not gonna jump to conclusion now.

And natsu and erza falls in alot of arcs, in tye first round. This is nothing special. Final fight of that character in an arc shows their true standing

 

[grey matter]

Because we are not dumb. Mishma loves to hype. And that train derails fuking everytime.
Power creep is shown in every time skip. In this one brandish already has an awesome feat under her belt. And Eileen knowledge was enough to handle a moonshine goddess.
I am just not gonna jump to conclusion now.

And natsu and erza falls in alot of arcs, in tye first round. This is nothing special. Final fight of that character in an arc shows their true standing

Yea, the hype derails every time. Yet the powercreep sticks.
Spriggans got hyped to the moon and got humiliated worse than any major faction before them. Yet, it is also a fact that Spriggans were far superior to every faction that came before them. The only implication was that the good guys got ridiculously stronger as well


Brandish didn't really fight on her own. Brandish making herself that big would've got herself one shot by Aldoron's flurry of thorns. And even Gajeel was about to get one shot, the moment Aldoron got serious. And this was after Aldoron got nerfed massively, on top of waking up nerfed to begin with.
Eileen's "knowledge" helped defeat a moonlit goddess. Why is this a big deal? We already know that certain knowledge or abilities help a lot situationally. Nothing different from Wendy countering Eileen's enchantments in x792, or Meledy connection and amplifying an entire continent worth of MP


Name just ONE instance where Erza got one shot by pure overwhelming power, rather than through hax or tricks. Just one would do. Yeah right, you can't. Cause there is ZERO case for Erza getting one shot, IN THE ENTIRE SERIES. This is the first time EVER, that Erza got one shot by pure power.
This is also the first time since GMG (when Future Rouge one shotted him), that Natsu also got one shot by pure power.

 

[sharkai]

Name just ONE instance where Erza got one shot by pure overwhelming power, rather than through hax or tricks. Just one would do. Yeah right, you can't. Cause there is ZERO case for Erza getting one shot, IN THE ENTIRE SERIES. This is the first time EVER, that Erza got one shot by pure power.
This is also the first time since GMG (when Future Rouge one shotted him), that Natsu also got one shot by pure power

Natsu was taken out by racer blitz in OS arc.
And you think mishma gives a sh!t about overwhelming power. Kyria looked erza tier kagura looked erza plus tier.

Springgan hype was specifically mentioned. Nothibg for bdsk. Kiria shock at erza and laxus powers is also there.

This is your opinion about brandish. You know nothing what mishma thinks of her feat. The fact Eileen is still around should also give you a pause.

I am not saying power creep doesn't exist. But I am just not gonna jump on the hype train, till mishma clearly shows it. Like natsu vs max or bluenote vs natsu. For all you know power difference is like its between OS arc and tenrou arc (because alverzec arc is the only major arc in that time skip)

 

[Seven777]

How is it iffy?
Assuming erza plus gray takes out a bdsk. That would still mean erza plus gray can take out human Acnologia.
So are you imply August plus Eileen another August (since you think Eileen is technically a fodder) could have taken out human Acnologia.
Suzaku >= human Selene = human Acnologia
And if gray plus erza defeats a bdsk together. That would mean ...

O and was zero obsolete in edolas arc or tenrou arc. Zancrow vs zero, who do think will win. What about kagura vs bluenote

It's iffy right now, it won't be iffy if Erza plus Gray take out a bdsk.
I've said August and Eileen are equal more than you have, guaranteed.
It would mean Gray and Erza are stronger than August and Eileen, yes.
Poor comparisons, my comparison of Mard being obsolete in Alvarez is much more accurate. The power inflation of 100YQ is significantly larger than Edolas/tenrou or even Tenrou/GMG. We're literally fighting 5 Acno tiers and even the human mini bosses are hanging with the human Acno-tiers. The BDSK have been hyped to all hell by Mashima, more than Tartaros, more than Spriggans, more than the top two Spriggans even, they're sitting near god tier.

 

[grey matter]

Natsu was taken out by racer blitz in OS arc.
And you think mishma gives a sh!t about overwhelming power. Kyria looked erza tier kagura looked erza plus tier.

Springgan hype was specifically mentioned. Nothibg for bdsk. Kiria shock at erza and laxus powers is also there.

This is your opinion about brandish. You know nothing what mishma thinks of her feat. The fact Eileen is still around should also give you a pause.

I am not saying power creep doesn't exist. But I am just not gonna jump on the hype train, till mishma clearly shows it. Like natsu vs max or bluenote vs natsu. For all you know power difference is like its between OS arc and tenrou arc (because alverzec arc is the only major arc in that time skip)

Natsu wasn't even really damaged by it all. He was blitzed and KO'd for some time, and got back up like nothing had had happened. Suzaku almost killed him with a casual attack, and needed Wendy's healing to get back up.
Kyria looked like she could give Erza a mid-high diff, which she could if we take away the enchantments. Kagura was definitely pre SO x791 Erza tier


BDSK were hyped to be on a completely different level, by the Diabolos trio
How about Erza claiming Suzaku's power is beyond imagination or something? How about Selene commending how scary the humans are getting with dragon powers (referring to Suzaku), and that she is below his power in her human form?
The hype of BDSK blows away the Spriggan hype out of the water!


Unless you believe someone who is x792 Lucy tier in physical stats (note: physical stats, not MP or hax) can compete with Gajeel's physicals, yeaaah.
Yea, we'll see when that happens. You're running on pure speculation here. And even if something happens, it would be a retcon, considering her base couldn't put down x792 Erza and her dragon form got one shot by x792 Erza with DS magic


Power creep from x791- x792 = dealing with Zeref as the endgame
Power creep from x792 - x793 = dealing with 5 Acno tiers, with Natsu finally 1v1 an Acno tier as the endgame
Tell me which needs a bigger powercreep lmao.
Natsu vs Bluenote moment gets far outshined by Suzaku getting on human Acno tier. You not recognizing DGs to be Acno tier is a you problem. We have Suzaku and George who are already human Acno tiers, and by hype 3 more! How do you see this and not get the powercreep is beyond me (actually no, I probably know why.)

 

[sharkai]

It's iffy right now, it won't be iffy if Erza plus Gray take out a bdsk.
I've said August and Eileen are equal more than you have, guaranteed.
It would mean Gray and Erza are stronger than August and Eileen, yes.
Poor comparisons, my comparison of Mard being obsolete in Alvarez is much more accurate. The power inflation of 100YQ is significantly larger than Edolas/tenrou or even Tenrou/GMG. We're literally fighting 5 Acno tiers and even the human mini bosses are hanging with the human Acno-tiers. The BDSK have been hyped to all hell by Mashima, more than Tartaros, more than Spriggans, more than the top two Spriggans even, they're sitting near god tier.

Erm are you saying there is a possibility fairy tail will lose this arc or something. Because as I see it now, I just gave you the worst possible outcome. Most likely laxus and erza will take their bdsk on there own (7 vs 7)
5 acno tiers has nothing to do with them. Natsu is gonna take them all with some bs. The rest can take on springgan inferior opponents. This story will be fine even then

No they haven't. Selene toyed with suzaku and joked with him that is all. That is all bdsk for you.

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Natsu wasn't even really damaged by it all. He was blitzed and KO'd for some time, and got back up like nothing had had happened. Suzaku almost killed him with a casual attack, and needed Wendy's healing to get back up.
Kyria looked like she could give Erza a mid-high diff, which she could if we take away the enchantments. Kagura was definitely pre SO x791 Erza tier


BDSK were hyped to be on a completely different level, by the Diabolos trio
How about Erza claiming Suzaku's power is beyond imagination or something? How about Selene commending how scary the humans are getting with dragon powers (referring to Suzaku), and that she is below his power in her human form?
The hype of BDSK blows away the Spriggan hype out of the water!


Unless you believe someone who is x792 Lucy tier in physical stats (note: physical stats, not MP or hax) can compete with Gajeel's physicals, yeaaah.
Yea, we'll see when that happens. You're running on pure speculation here. And even if something happens, it would be a retcon, considering her base couldn't put down x792 Erza and her dragon form got one shot by x792 Erza with DS magic


Power creep from x791- x792 = dealing with Zeref as the endgame
Power creep from x792 - x793 = dealing with 5 Acno tiers, with Natsu finally 1v1 an Acno tier as the endgame
Tell me which needs a bigger powercreep lmao.
Natsu vs Bluenote moment gets far outshined by Suzaku getting on human Acno tier. You not recognizing DGs to be Acno tier is a you problem. We have Suzaku and George who are already human Acno tiers, and by hype 3 more! How do you see this and not get the powercreep is beyond me (actually no, I probably know why.)

Lol. Nearly killed. Again you seems to think mishma gives a sh!t
Kagura looked will above pre so erza

Nope. Kiria hyped erza and laxus well above that

And right after that erza saying she will handle them.

Selene is known liar.
No it doesn't. Brandish turning gajeel so big is still bitter. Doubt suzaku has enough aoe to even chip a toe nail of giga gajeel

I am not running on anything. You are just buying everything mishma throws at you so you can be hyped for the lame fight that will surely follow
Nothing will be retconned. Only your thoughts will have to be changed.

Because I know these bdsk will be handled and most likely one on one. I am just hoping wendy and lucy also performs and then want to see you do mental gymnastics to explain how lucy or wendy vs August goes

Erza with ds and mishma behind her. You could replace dragon Eileen with rot aconologia, nothing would change

Its like you never read a fairy tail arc before

 

[Demon Hunter]

Selene stomps. She just proved she could no diff Elfseria.

When will people just accept the fact that Suzaku is OP?

The denial here is absolutely ridiculous, but not surprising at all.

Quite a few people have a hard time imagining August and Eileen to be surpassed, for their supposed dominance in their arcs.
WHY? It's basic power creep

People forgot how dominant Mard Geer was, in his arc?
The guy was >= CSK in his base, no diff'd LFD Natsu and twin dragons in his base, and tanked all out assault of x791 DF Natsu with minimal damage. To put in perspective how crazy this feat is, x792 DF Natsu's all out assault obliterated the entire body of FH Zeref, who is above the likes of August and Eileen in his base

Yet he was surpassed. August and Eileen would destroy Mard Geer, even though the dominance he asserted in his arc, was far above even what Zeref (Alverez main villain) or the Spriggans asserted in their arcs
And, Eileen wasn't even that dominant. She couldn't put down x792 Erza in her base. In fact, if not for her dragon form, she isn't even that impressive in x792. Same with Zeref. He couldn't put down base Natsu, and it it weren't for FH/space-time magic, DF Natsu would've defeated him, not really impressive either


The top tiers of older arcs get blown away by the top tiers of newer arcs. It's classic shounen power creep 101. Don't understand why it's so hard to get it.
Mard Geer got powercrept by Zeref/August/Eileen. Similarly, Zeref/August/Eileen are getting powercrept by the black knights. Should be fairly straightforward logic, but apparently not !!


It's amazing how we have a character who one shotted much stronger versions of Natsu and Erza than who Zeref/Eileen faced; and then went onto extreme diff a human Acno tier (a feat even unimaginable in x792).
And instead of accepting the obvious implication of power creep, people make excuses and outright go against the author's claims/portrayal:
- Natsu and Erza were "tired". Yea, Natsu fought Lucy and a couple of Yokai, Erza fought Youko for a couple of minutes. Big deal.
While conveniently ignoring the fact that Natsu and Erza were in MUCH worse state before the fought Zeref and Eileen
- Selene is not Acno tier.
Well, in your headcanon she isn't. But in reality she is Acno tier, cause that's what Mashima wants


"But the good guys will soon beat him"
Ok. And?
I suppose Mard Geer >>>> Zeref since he shrugged off x791 DF Natsu while FH Zeref got disintegrated by x792 DF Natsu; since by their logic the good guys don't get stronger

friends, to me, the cutest part is how Irene was retconed into being alive and people think that Hiro isn't crazy enough to retcon her power LMAO.

if he can literally bring back a character who was legitimately dead in the original series which ended without any hint of her being alive then he can easily also retcon her power to be much higher than it was before lol.

but let Irene fans take solace in retcons lol.

I was actually happy for some decent Irene fans to have their girl back.

if she trifles with Dragon Gods (I'm dropping this manga if that happens btw) that just means Hiro doesn't give a crap and is boosting her up via clear retcon.

if Irene replaced Suzaku then you would never hear the end of that wank and people would accept that immediately.

even Brandish being stronger than her Alvarez version makes more sense since she is alive (characters like Sting, Rogue, Minerva etc are as strong as plot demands them to be so she isn't different) but Irene was dead for a while now.

we already know Acnologia can gut Irene tiers once he got serious.

we saw what happened to GS.

he got killed before August even knew what happened lol.

God Seed Aldoron (who wasn't at 100%) was treating Natsu, who is much stronger than Alvarez GS, like Acno treated GS but the difference is that Natsu had plot armor so he didn't die.

that already tells you Dragon Gods are at least on the level of Acnologia.

as for Suzaku, he is simply that strong.

him getting matched by Erza in the near future doesn't discredit him in any way lol.

fighting Selene is faaaaaaar better than anything Irene did in her lifetime and will stay that way.

 

[Vex_Haid]

this thread is an eyesore, imagine thinking that BDSK are acno tier lmao i cant and erza being comparable to august? lo...

OT:

Irenes ways to win: transmution gg, explosion enchantments gg, universe 1 gg (bfrs selene to hell), matter manip gg, personality manip gg, reality manip gg (when she enchanted the snow into flowers), berserker enchantment gg, life-death manip gg (enchanted 2 swords life), soul strip gg, mind strip gg, separation enchantment gg,magic extraction gg,deus zero gg

Selenes way to win: pHySiCaLs

 

[sharkai]

if he can literally bring back a character who was legitimately dead in the original series which ended without any hint of her being alive then he can easily also retcon her power to be much higher than it was before lol.

If this happens I.am gonna enjoy Eileen haters to say august was and still is superior

if she trifles with Dragon Gods (I'm dropping this manga if that happens btw) that just means Hiro doesn't give a fuck and is boosting her up via clear retcon

This is also a possibility.
Eileen is the original dragon slayer. It is possible that dragon gods know of her.
And as the original dragon slayer she should be plenty strong. I think there might be some interaction between them. After all casual Eileen did technically beat Acno by chuckinv him in the ocean and making him crawl back

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I've said August and Eileen are equal more than you have, guaranteed.

Nope. You say august can copy her ds. And then causally one shot her dragon form

 

[LaGOAT]

I hope y’all know being on the same tier=\= being on the same lvl

 

[Seven777]

Erm are you saying there is a possibility fairy tail will lose this arc or something. Because as I see it now, I just gave you the worst possible outcome. Most likely laxus and erza will take their bdsk on there own (7 vs 7)
5 acno tiers has nothing to do with them. Natsu is gonna take them all with some bs. The rest can take on springgan inferior opponents. This story will be fine even then

No they haven't. Selene toyed with suzaku and joked with him that is all. That is all bdsk for you.

Sure, FT lost all last arc, literally every single member of Team Natsu. They always come back to win one way or another, but losing isn't particularly uncommon.
Maybe, we'll see. Like I said on the chapter discussion, I think Laxus might end up losing.
So? The actual Acno was taken out with Natsu's BS too.

Selene saying Suzaku is strong enough to match her human form is pretty much the most hype any character in the manga has ever had to date, with the sole exception of the dragon gods themselves who were hyped as Acno tier. The spriggan hype is literally garbage next to that, literal garbage. Even Mavis and Brandish wanking August and Eileen is basically dogshit in comparison.

Nope. You say august can copy her ds. And then causally one shot her dragon form

So? Tartaros Gray can oneshot Mard, don't make him stronger than he is.

 

[grey matter]

I hope y’all know being on the same tier=\= being on the same lvl

And?
Any reason why it's relevant here? Eileen is far too below Selene to know the difference

 

[LaGOAT]

And?
Any reason why it's relevant here? Eileen is far too below Selene to know the difference

I didn’t say anything about Irene and Selene being on the same tier I’m just pointing out the difference

 

[Vex_Haid]

You're an idiot.

so canon = idiot now? the scan above me proves that gildarts is to strong for the BDSK and he is fodder to irene and most spriggans, and ofc this doesn't means that gildarts>DGs it just means that if gildarts was with team natsu then he would wipe out every enemy and then they would instantly make it to the DG's which would be boring

 

[Demon Hunter]

@Vex_Haid

Gildarts is Bluenote tier

Bluenote was effortlessly one shotted by base Natsu.

since there is absolutely no proof Gildarts improved, that means August is a bit above Bluenote.
in other words, Natsu one shots August and Gildarts


your girl got one shotted in her strongest form by completely broken Erza and then she was almost KO'ed while coughing blood when Erza was still completely broken and out of power by a mere headbutt

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and Gildarts being on or above BDSK simply means he improved unless you want to argue Gildarts is still Bluenote tier which makes August and Irene barely above Bluenote tier