because erza cant. that is one time thing with extreme pof. just like you dont think gajeel or gray can kill fh zeref.
if august gets a clear hit, and that hit is strongest magic then yes he wrecks her. just like if laxus gets a clear hit and that hit is his strongest move, he wrecks erza.
Did I get pissed? As I recall I just said "I say August=Eileen more than you" or something along those lines. Sounds like you're more upset about me supposedly thinking Eileen is a non-factor(She is. Selene oneshots her dragon form and if you think otherwise you're insane.)
Not much, unless the BDSK are stated to all be at the same level.
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I am lost in the whole Irene vs August debate. Selene >>> August/Irene combined.
What is not up for debate is Selene's standing as an Acno tier. She's already confirmed to be stronger than Aldoron and Mercphobia. The only thing that is maybe up for debate is whether or not Selene is lying about Suzaku being stronger than her. But that doesn't affect the outcome here. Either Suzaku owns Irene too, or Selene was acting against Suzaku. Either way, Selene is still stronger than Erza, Natsu, or anyone else that can beat Irene's dragon form.
because erza cant. that is one time thing with extreme pof. just like you dont think gajeel or gray can kill fh zeref.
if august gets a clear hit, and that hit is strongest magic then yes he wrecks her. just like if laxus gets a clear hit and that hit is his strongest move, he wrecks erza.
you brought it up. i just cut her name in consideration for you.
Good enough, a clear hit then. I've always maintained it'd be Melt that would do it anyway.
Ha, you didn't cut her name, if it was cut it wouldn't be there, doing this line thing doesn't change that lmao. You brought it up and now you're upset I responed.
i already know you rank her as the weakest ds possible.
I don't think Eileen is fodder lol
She's fodder relative to Selene.
If it makes you feel better, August is also complete fodder to Selene as well. There you go, happy?
Yeah, they are in same tier and August wins 9/10 times. What is funny there? Abilities make a difference you know? Dimaria and Wahl are in the same tier. Yet, Dimaria wins that fight 10/10 times because of her abilities. Seven777 has given you similar examples too.
August has the most overpowered ability in the entire verse, till date. Honestly, if I'm using abilities he should've technically copied (like all Spriggans' magic except Wahl/Bradman/Larcade), but haven't demonstrated, then August wins 10/10 times too.
My 9/10 number is purely based on him having what he was shown to have copied on screen : Crime Sorceire's magic, fire DS magic, Crash, spells he has uniquely shown and enchantments which he will copy in battle with Eileen.
august has literally shown sh!t. you are creating things for him. nothing he used against CS or gildarts would even scratch dragon eileen, and wont even damage human eileen that much.
you also dont know whether august can copy ds, you also dont know whether he can copy magic of mages at eileen level. or he could keep magic he copied before. you have nothing. this all extrapolation from your side.
your 9/10 is achieved by giving every possible benefit to august, and nothing or taking from eileen, nothing more
all you have is melt, a possible natus magic, which natsu has never used nor i think, it was claimed, as fire.
In x792, the characters who can take down August are:
- Acno, any form, one shot
- Zeref, base = high diff, FH = stomp
- DF Natsu, low diff
- Animus, wins 9/10 times
- dragon Eileen, wins 1/10 times
In x793, there are plenty of characters who can take him down - DF Natsu, all DGs (any form), George, BDSK, Erza (small chance)
Ha, you didn't cut her name, if it was cut it wouldn't be there, doing this line thing doesn't change that lmao. You brought it up and now you're upset I responed.
its a fact, if you think about it.
you believe eileen is the only dragon super weak to ds. and you believe there is a huge power jump this time skip.
in other words, one shoting dragon eileen for current gajeel, and diabolas shouldnt be difficult, no?
i am pretty sure you think serena could three four hit eileen out of dragon form, that leaves only cobra, wendy, sting and rouge.
melt is a low tier attack of august, it wont scratch dragon eileen.
i think its called goading, mate
its a fact, if you think about it.
you believe eileen is the only dragon super weak to ds. and you believe there is a huge power jump this time skip.
in other words, one shoting dragon eileen for current gajeel, and diabolas shouldnt be difficult, no?
i am pretty sure you think serena could three four hit eileen out of dragon form, that leaves only cobra, wendy, sting and rouge.
It'd knock her out of her dragon form, August is much more powerful than Erza.
So am I goading you or are you goading me?
You just named four Dragon Slayers that you think I think are weaker. Hence why the statement is both dumb and disingenuous.
As for Diablos, BDSK? Obviously they oneshot her, it's not even a question. Suzaku has enough firepower to draw blood from human Selene. But for Skullion and the rest? We'll see. It depends how powerful current FT are compared to the BDSK.
It'd knock her out of her dragon form, August is much more powerful than Erza.
So am I goading you or are you goading me?
You just named four Dragon Slayers that you think I think are weaker. Hence why the statement is both dumb and disingenuous.
As for Diablos, BDSK? Obviously they oneshot her, it's not even a question. Suzaku has enough firepower to draw blood from human Selene. But for Skullion and the rest? We'll see. It depends how powerful current FT are compared to the BDSK.
nope, the pof erza hit will wreck august too and it will rip through any attack august throws (unless both eileen and august has a stronger move). so no, melt being a low tier august attack wont scratch dragon eileen. he should have actual upper tier nukes. not one he just randomly threw.
i think, it depends on who brought it up. and who is enjoying it
nope. i names ds which are literally considered fodders.
again with the confising statements, are you implying that fairy tail will lose in this current arc. please be clear.
nope, the pof erza hit will wreck august too. so no, melt being a low tier august attack wont scratch dragon eileen. he should have actual upper tier nukes. not one he just randomly threw.
i think, it depends on who brought it up.
nope. i names ds which are literally considered fodders.
again with the confising statements, are you implying that fairy tail will lose in this current arc. please be clear.
Randomly threw? He was recently gutted and more pissed off than he's ever been in the manga. The only attack he took more seriously than that was Ars Magia. PoF Erza isn't stronger than August, just stop. She lost to Eileen with help, she loses to August solo, obviously.
Yep, I don't know where this part of the debate is going, so i'm gonna ignore it.
You said Eileen was the weakest DS possible, not that she's fodder. Besides, DS being able to knock her our of her Dragon Form doesn't mean she's weaker, Mard wasn't weaker than Gray after all. You know full well this is my stance, which is why your statement is both dumb and disingenuous(That and you already named four exceptions too).
What's confusing about it? I don't know if they're going to lose. Wait, didn't I answer this question already? They might lose. Team Natsu lost literally all last arc. Natsu and Erza, the strongest members of team Natsu, lost twice lmao.
Randomly threw? He was recently gutted and more pissed off than he's ever been in the manga. The only attack he took more seriously than that was Ars Magia. PoF Erza isn't stronger than August, just stop. She lost to Eileen with help, she loses to August solo, obviously.
you should stop too. since natsu beat FH zeref. FH zeref cant be stronger than August or eileen. so dont bs me.
can erza beat august, normally no. the extreme pof, maybe. after that hit, august will be as wrecked as eileen was. that atleast we can be sure.
what is the name of this top tier spell, melt, lol. can you prove that this spell is august top move. why didnt he use it against gildarts.
You said Eileen was the weakest DS possible, not that she's fodder. Besides, DS being able to knock her our of her Dragon Form doesn't mean she's weaker, Mard wasn't weaker than Gray after all. You know full well this is my stance, which is why your statement is both dumb and disingenuous(That and you already named four exceptions too).
yes, it does. because lets say you think gajeel or kiria or serena knocks her out of her dragon for, what does eileen do next, beside losing?
yeah, i named four fodders. that dosnt make it disingenuous, who ranks by keeping fodders in their mind.
What's confusing about it? I don't know if they're going to lose. Wait, didn't I answer this question already? They might lose. Team Natsu lost literally all last arc. Natsu and Erza, the strongest members of team Natsu, lost twice lmao.
you should stop too. since natsu beat FH zeref. FH zeref cant be stronger than August or eileen. so dont bs me.
can erza beat august, normally no. the extreme pof, maybe. after that hit, august will be as wrecked as eileen was. that atleast we can be sure.
what is the name of this top tier spell, melt, lol. can you prove that this spell is august top move. why didnt he use it against gildarts.
yes, it does. because lets say you think gajeel or kiria or serena knocks her out of her dragon for, what does eileen do next, beside losing?
yeah, i named four fodders. that dosnt make it disingenuous, who ranks by keeping fodders in their mind.
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what are you talking about, they lost the hype phase. not the final arc fight. only erza has lost a final arc fight.
Erza isn't Natsu for one. But also, Erza didn't beat Eileen, she lost, pure and simple. And with help, help that was absolutely vital to doing the damage that she did. So solo against August? No chance, PoF, no PoF, she loses.
Melt? Is there something wrong with that? Can you prove Deus Sema is top tier for Eileen lmao? As for why he didn't use it against Gildarts, why does no one ever use anything? And I mean that literally. Why does any character not use any of their spells. Ever? Why does Laxus never use Fairy Law? Why does Sting and Rogue never go Dragon Force? Why does no one ever do anything? I could make up a reason for you if you like, it'd be easy, but what's even easier is telling you that It's simply the way it is.
Beat them in her human form? Like I said, Mard Geer is the same, doesn't make him weaker than Gray. You know this is my position, which is why your statement is disingenuous.
Is this the final arc fight? I'm not getting that feeling. This is the first time most of the BDSK have appeared. Skullion and co.? They're prob getting beaten. BDSK? Mmmmmm, not sure.
Erza isn't Natsu for one. But also, Erza didn't beat Eileen, she lost, pure and simple. And with help, help that was absolutely vital to doing the damage that she did. So solo against August? No chance, PoF, no PoF, she loses.
help only allowed erza strikes to hurt eileen nothing more. pof and strength was all her. So solo against august is ok. because august cant nullify her magic, and pof erza can wreck him. winning or losing i dont know.
Melt? Is there something wrong with that? Can you prove Deus Sema is top tier for Eileen lmao? As for why he didn't use it against Gildarts, why does no one ever use anything? And I mean that literally. Why does any character not use any of their spells. Ever? Why does Laxus never use Fairy Law? Why does Sting and Rogue never go Dragon Force? Why does no one ever do anything? I could make up a reason for you if you like, it'd be easy, but what's even easier is telling you that It's simply the way it is.
yes, i can. i cannt prove its her strongest. but she hyped it after her claw strike, so we know she consider it her strong move. top tier, not the strongest (maybe)
it is nothing the way it is. its just your claim, nothing more, no more worth then me saying august stick whacking is his strongest move.
Beat them in her human form? Like I said, Mard Geer is the same, doesn't make him weaker than Gray. You know this is my position, which is why your statement is disingenuous.
how would she beat them in her human form? how would she beat gajeel or serena, or kiria. i mean, human form eileen isnt something, you rank high, right?
where do you rank human eileen, exactly? because the way i see it, you indeed are putting eileen as one of the weakest ds.
Is this the final arc fight? I'm not getting that feeling. This is the first time most of the BDSK have appeared. Skullion and co.? They're prob getting beaten. BDSK? Mmmmmm, not sure.
But it's not. Holder type is attacks from her swords. Like some fire or lightning strike. Her own magic is literally telekinesis and some dimensional warping - she makes swords fly and teleports armor from her secret chamber. Both are easily caster type magic. So August should be able to completely copy her both magics and nullify them (if he can do it on other people, not just the attacks on him). The only thing he can't copy from Erza is attacks from swords. Which she doesn't use often. He should even be able to copy and cancel enchantment magic (like Erza's Natsu+Gray swords) cuz it is still a pure caster magic.
Erza has no magic at all to use against August, he can manipulate her swords and armor through her magic, he can cancel her enchantments. And by far - even if you believe he can't, he would use Marin's magic and nodiff her instantly. But I don't think he needs it
august has literally shown sh!t. you are creating things for him. nothing he used against CS or gildarts would even scratch dragon eileen, and wont even damage human eileen that much.
Lol, no diffing CS and Gildarts >>> failing to put down Erza. Human Eileen can't do jackshit to him, not just because of August's immunity, but her having trouble to put down Erza
He has shown speed magic, mind read and refraction against CS. Two of these would directly help in in dodging attacks from Eileen.
The fact that you even bought this up is cue for me to stop right here.
August has far superior attack power than Erza, so a clean blow him from him one shots her.
you also dont know whether august can copy ds, you also dont know whether he can copy magic of mages at eileen level. or he could keep magic he copied before. you have nothing. this all extrapolation from your side.
The only extrapolation is happening from you. He has been shown to copy everything thrown at him in the series. And Eileen isn't above him, no reason to believe he can't
Him not keeping learned magic is also your assumption. He is the "Magic King" cause just copies and forgets, has more versatility than Zeref by coping and forgetting, used meteor on Gildarts because he copies and forgets. Lol
your 9/10 is achieved by giving every possible benefit to august, and nothing or taking from eileen, nothing more
all you have is melt, a possible natus magic, which natsu has never used nor i think, it was claimed, as fire.
Wrong. I'm in fact I'm only using what he has shown on screen + what he will copy in the fight vs Eileen. Or else I would've claimed he knows all Spriggans' magic and destroyed Eileen with it.
I merely use Racer's speed magic, mind read, refraction, fire DS magic, Meteor and Crash; along with his unique magic he has shown + enchantments he will copy in the fight vs Eileen. Nothing else for him
You're the only one ignoring both manga feats and portrayal. August is portrayed in manga as the strongest, even after the entire fight with Erza was done. His feats of no diffing CS and Gildarts, and tanking Gildarts' strongest spell with low injuries blow everything Eileen has done out of the water
10 more? Nah, about 5 more, cause DS magic is super effective on her
But you wouldn't get it. You're not even willing to accept the fact that August has the most OP magic in the entire series.
For you, August has no way to take down Eileen
Like Seven777 said. IT's projection, but in the opposite direction
You're calling us biased, even though we think she's in same tier as August and has a shot at beating him. While you think August has zero chance to beat Eileen, couldn't copy enchantments and couldn't copy DS magic. Hilarious.
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Meh. It's all completely pointless.
This entire discussion has derailed from the original discussion (Selene vs Eileen) and turned into August vs Eileen, even though both of us you're arguing against think Selene one shots August too
You consider Erza in a completely different tier than anyone else here and is arguing based on scaling Eileen to that. You think POF Erza won't get no diff'd by Acno, and will destroy August and Gildarts.
I can guarantee that you wouldn't rate Eileen anywhere close to this if she faced someone else. And this is probably an attempt to somehow scale Erza to Selene too lmao
I'm done responding here, should've have bothered in the first place.
But it's not. Holder type is attacks from her swords. Like some fire or lightning strike. Her own magic is literally telekinesis and some dimensional warping - she makes swords fly and teleports armor from her secret chamber. Both are easily caster type magic. So August should be able to completely copy her both magics and nullify them (if he can do it on other people, not just the attacks on him). The only thing he can't copy from Erza is attacks from swords. Which she doesn't use often. He should even be able to copy and cancel enchantment magic (like Erza's Natsu+Gray swords) cuz it is still a pure caster magic.
Erza has no magic at all to use against August, he can manipulate her swords and armor through her magic, he can cancel her enchantments. And by far - even if you believe he can't, he would use Marin's magic and nodiff her instantly. But I don't think he needs it
not really. erza has two magic. caster magic is requip. she uses it to get armors and swords from her private dimension. august can copy this, but cant access her private dimension. rest is all holder type. sword flying, is magic of her wing armor. also holder. sword swinging, also holder
But it's not. Holder type is attacks from her swords. Like some fire or lightning strike. Her own magic is literally telekinesis and some dimensional warping - she makes swords fly and teleports armor from her secret chamber. Both are easily caster type magic. So August should be able to completely copy her both magics and nullify them (if he can do it on other people, not just the attacks on him). The only thing he can't copy from Erza is attacks from swords. Which she doesn't use often. He should even be able to copy and cancel enchantment magic (like Erza's Natsu+Gray swords) cuz it is still a pure caster magic.
Erza has no magic at all to use against August, he can manipulate her swords and armor through her magic, he can cancel her enchantments. And by far - even if you believe he can't, he would use Marin's magic and nodiff her instantly. But I don't think he needs it
I think you're arguing from a theoretical perspective. Don't overestimate Mashima lol, that wouldn't happen.
Because, by that logic, he should've send back Cana's cards because she draws it from some space (hence dimensional warping, like Erza), even if he can't cancel the card itself
Since he didn't do it to Cana's cards, he can't do it to Erza's swords as well
As for enchantments (Natsu/Gray swords), agree.
And yes, he should technically have most Spriggan's magic, Marin's magic etc. He has seen all of them use their magic. But he has shown none. Probably cause he's retarded/CIS (actually it's because Mashima didn't realize how OP the dude is lol)
So I don't think we should use them in a vs battle.
Also. He shouldn't even really care about "tools", because Midnight's refraction magic (which he copied on screen) gives him immunity to anything non organic, i.e he becomes immune to all tools. Never forget that Mashima is the author
help only allowed erza strikes to hurt eileen nothing more. pof and strength was all her. So solo against august is ok. because august cant nullify her magic, and pof erza can wreck him. winning or losing i dont know.
yes, i can. i cannt prove its her strongest. but she hyped it after her claw strike, so we know she consider it her strong move. top tier, not the strongest (maybe)
it is nothing the way it is. its just your claim, nothing more, no more worth then me saying august stick whacking is his strongest move.
how would she beat them in her human form? how would she beat gajeel or serena, or kiria. i mean, human form eileen isnt something, you rank high, right?
where do you rank human eileen, exactly? because the way i see it, you indeed are putting eileen as one of the weakest ds.
7 vs 7, seems like it. haku thing even seems like that 7 kin kain like scenario.
Mmmm, yeah, hype. I certainly agree.
Then why hasn't Sting or Rogue used Dragon Force against anyone since Natsu? Not even against Acnologia? Oh, and I can also claim Eileen whacking with her staff is her strongest move too.
Serena? With two or three spells. If her human form is on Alvarez Jellal's level she could prob oneshot if she goes full power. Same for Kyria. Gajeel takes some work and depends on how well he does this arc.
As for where I rank human Eileen, Jellal tier, I'm certain I've told you that before. Fodder to Natsu or a BDSK but overall still powerful.
Haku does seem like Kain I agree, but the 7vs7 thing doesn't really mean anything. I can see all the BDSK walking away from this arc intact, except Suzaku who I think may turn traitor.
Then why hasn't Sting or Rogue used Dragon Force against anyone since Natsu? Not even against Acnologia? Oh, and I can also claim Eileen whacking with her staff is her strongest move too.
Serena? With two or three spells. If her human form is on Alvarez Jellal's level she could prob oneshot if she goes full power. Same for Kyria. Gajeel takes some work and depends on how well he does this arc.
As for where I rank human Eileen, Jellal tier, I'm certain I've told you that before. Fodder to Natsu or a BDSK but overall still powerful.
as i thought, only ds you see eileen (who is also a ds) beating is Nebal and Wraith. and i am pretty sure you forgot Serena who you would place in definitely win category.
Lol, no diffing CS and Gildarts >>> failing to put down Erza. Human Eileen can't do jackshit to him, not just because of August's immunity, but her having trouble to put down Erza
He has shown speed magic, mind read and refraction against CS. Two of these would directly help in in dodging attacks from Eileen.
May i ask which move August did against CS or gildarts (not including ars magi) which would scratch dragon eileen. and which of these move would heavily damage human eileen
you know it and i know it, if august had came across erza, he would have had similar if not worse problem putting erza down. its called plot armor
yes, august is immune to human eileen and maybe even dragon eileen magical attacks
i know august can jump around to dodge eileen attacks.
while i agree with this, could you give me a non suicide move of august which clearly shows his attack power being above erza.
i also would like to add gray and gajeel have nearly the same attack power as base natsu. so you think they can beat fh zeref too, right?
The only extrapolation is happening from you. He has been shown to copy everything thrown at him in the series. And Eileen isn't above him, no reason to believe he can't
again bs, he has copy magic only from mages who had far less mp than human eileen. but you have super strong reason eileen cant turn august into a rat (provided his nullifcation isnt there) or jellal or gildarts into a rat.
Him not keeping learned magic is also your assumption. He is the "Magic King" cause just copies and forgets, has more versatility than Zeref by coping and forgetting, used meteor on Gildarts because he copies and forgets. Lol
again extrapolation. he never used meteor. you just want to believe august glowing and barely blitzing cana (even she managed to raise her hands to block) is him using meteor.
he is called magic king, because every time he came across an opponent, he had that opponent magic and human eileen level mp. resulting in a stomp.
Wrong. I'm in fact I'm only using what he has shown on screen + what he will copy in the fight vs Eileen. Or else I would've claimed he knows all Spriggans' magic and destroyed Eileen with it.
I merely use Racer's speed magic, mind read, refraction, fire DS magic, Meteor and Crash; along with his unique magic he has shown + enchantments he will copy in the fight vs Eileen. Nothing else for him
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Racer's speed magic, mind read, refraction, fire DS magic, Meteor and Crash
where did he use fire ds again? please show clear panel, where people called his melt fire ds. or atleast show natsu eating his fire ds
and him copying from a mage at level of eileen is also something we have seen?
basically what you are doing, you have made eileen super weak to ds (you have no evidence for this too). so someone at human eileen level can one shot her dragon form, then give august ds magic, which isnt even mentioned as ds, and then have her get one shot by august. lol indeed you have given him nothing
going by this, i am pretty sure you would also have an average springgan, like serena beating eileen? right? i mean you think human eileen=erza and serena =gildarts
then you also believe that serena will beat human eileen and extreme low diff dragon eileen
You're the only one ignoring both manga feats and portrayal. August is portrayed in manga as the strongest, even after the entire fight with Erza was done. His feats of no diffing CS and Gildarts, and tanking Gildarts' strongest spell with low injuries blow everything Eileen has done out of the water
nope. only august himself said he is the strongest. nothing after eileen defeat raised august level.
no diffing CS was because of his magic. eileen had acno shocked and asking her name before she threw him in the ocean.
nope, first can you prove gildarts strongest move is from his arm, and then prove low injury from it because he killed himself after that
if you want to check durability, then best way would be when august was caught in surprise attack by brandsh butter knife and eileen was to busing gawking at a loli to see enhancing erza striking at her head (since you believe erza is a fodder, you can replace that with enchance laxus punching)
as for attack power, sadly august nor human eileen showed any, eileen got a saving grace in dragon form because of that claw swipe.
But you wouldn't get it. You're not even willing to accept the fact that August has the most OP magic in the entire series.
For you, August has no way to take down Eileen
Like Seven777 said. IT's projection, but in the opposite direction
You're calling us biased, even though we think she's in same tier as August and has a shot at beating him. While you think August has zero chance to beat Eileen, couldn't copy enchantments and couldn't copy DS magic. Hilarious.
i normally am not as bais as you guys. i said that august hasnt used previously copied magic. so might not be able to keep it. the keyword being, might. i actually dont know. in some battle sceniors (like a thread where two springgan teams were made to fight each other), i respected the possibility of august powers and didnt even bring it up.
this approach is stark difference from your rigid stance wanking or dehyping. you dont know erza pof and how to counter deus sema. but you have decided, without any other possiblity that a ds attack, from alvezec erza or human eileen level will wreck dragon eileen. there is no but and ifs. this has been set in stone. it doesnt matter erza pof like natsu pof might have been hitting at much higher level. it doesnt matter that suzaku (who is said to be above selene at the moment) seems to be nothing compared to dragon selene (with three other ds present).
same for ds seal. you have decided laxus has to be stronger, so, you start nitpicking things to make your point, even though, there is nothing in the manga that supports it.
as for copying ds. in the original series, you couldnt even learn ds magic. a dragon needs te be involved. eileen plot also showed that. so again, most likly scenerio is this. only thing you have is that panel in the flash back. which might have been a mistake. again, i am not rigid. august might get ds, not huge possibility, but even that does not guarantee low diffing eileen like you want.
extrapolation again. i rank them equal or about equal, unlike you. that include all scenarios, if mishma believes that august has ds, then august or eileen might win extreme high diff. if mishma doesnt believe august can have ds, then either august wins by hax, eileen wins by brute strength or they cant beat each other.
I can guarantee that you wouldn't rate Eileen anywhere close to this if she faced someone else. And this is probably an attempt to somehow scale Erza to Selene too lmao
again different between someone who like to wank and someone who doesnt.
go back and check erza vs gray thread. i ranked darkness gray above erza and consequently laxus as well (stamina?)
check back how easily i accepted erza defeat against laxus.
what about you.
when ever something doesnt go according to your likes, what do you do. ds seal is reasonable powerup
i normally have a standard, which i try to follow. i dont jump to conclusion like you are doing with suzaku.
i also dont believe that gajeel will be able to one shot dragon natsu, or human acnologia will be able to one shot dragon selene (so why should it be different for eileen).
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zancrow can stop bluenote black hole or lyon can stop jella sema (so why should it be different for eileen)
you, your self made scenario which leads to eileen one of the weakest ds possible. she is gonna be the only dragon we will see that will be super weak to ds. she will also be the weakest human ds. with strongest move which can be stopped by far weaker people.
this is eileen, the original dragon slayer, the one who made acnologia ask her name, and is erza (one of mishma favorite) mother.
and now, if eileen does something, you will get pi$$ed. and start talking about retconning.
now be a man, respond. because this does contribute in this thread, if @grey matter thinks Nebel is better match for dragon eileen then human selene
Erza solo against Eileen gets demolished, no question. The same is true against August. She needs help if she's going to match them, or at least she did in Alvarez.
So saying Melt is top tier is as valid as saying Dragon Force is top tier? I can live with that.
Yes, exactly. Except for the weakest DS part lmao, you really that salty about it that you have to repeat it over and over? I literally told you she oneshots God Serena. I think she is the most powerful Dragon Slayer bar Natsu and the BDSK. That may change if Laxus beats one though.
Erza solo against Eileen gets demolished, no question. The same is true against August. She needs help if she's going to match them, or at least she did in Alvarez
Yes, exactly. Except for the weakest DS part lmao, you really that salty about it that you have to repeat it over and over? I literally told you she oneshots God Serena. I think she is the most powerful Dragon Slayer bar Natsu and the BDSK. That may change if Laxus beats one though.
but hold on, you are saying, there is a huge power creep. then how in the fuk is laxus or gajeel losing to eilleen.
i mean isnt 100 year quest gajeel>alverzec erza
you basically rank human eilleen what two tiers below where she was, that is jellal tier. and then you are telling me she is super weak to ds, like literally no one else. and there is huge power creep. how is kiria and gajeel exactly weaker than human eilleen
because lets agree with your power creep hypothesis. current erza can mid diff alverzec erza. then maybe current gajeel is as strong as alverzec erza. human eileen is putting down an erza equivalent, when you are just ranking her as jellal tier, and she cant even go dragon against him
er no. dragon force has feats, melt has nothing.
you are looking for august stick whacking or eileen waving her staff around
agreed
but same for natsu vs fh zeref.
but hold on, you are saying, there is a huge power creep. then how in the fuk is laxus or gajeel losing to eilleen.
i mean isnt 100 year quest gajeel>alverzec erza
you basically rank human eilleen what two tiers below where she was, that is jellal tier. and then you are telling me she is super weak to ds, like literally no one else. and there is huge power creep. how is kiria and gajeel exactly weaker than human eilleen
because lets agree with your power creep hypothesis. current erza can mid diff alverzec erza. then maybe current gajeel is as strong as alverzec erza. human eileen is putting down an erza equivalent, when you are just ranking her as jellal tier, and she cant even go dragon against him
Same for Deus Sema.
So August and Eileen's strongest attacks are their staff whacks huh? Weird, but alright.
No? Natsu beat FH Zeref 1v1, he was the clear and overwhelming superior. Unlike Erza who lost 2v1 and was clearly portrayed as inferior.
Two tiers below what?
What do you mean like no one else? Like Mard Geer, I've said this many times.
How huge the power creep is will be confirmed by whether or not a BDSK is defeated 1v1 by anyone not Natsu.
Maybe he will be Alvarez Erza tier, depends on how well he does. Gajeel is powerful. Eileen being on that level doesn't make her fodder or the weakest DS, it just makes her not at the top anymore(August too), much like Mard Geer before her. She's like Mard in a lot of ways honestly, were you calling anyone bias when they were saying Alvarez Gajeel or Mira or whoever could beat Mard? You're acting like it's some big deal or that I need some bias take to think Eileen ain't "the shit" anymore lmao, when this has literally happened to every other villain before her.
