Fantasy (Human) Selene vs Eileen

[grey matter]

Two tiers below what?
What do you mean like no one else? Like Mard Geer, I've said this many times.
How huge the power creep is will be confirmed by whether or not a BDSK is defeated 1v1 by anyone not Natsu.
Maybe he will be Alvarez Erza tier, depends on how well he does. Gajeel is powerful. Eileen being on that level doesn't make her fodder or the weakest DS, it just makes her not at the top anymore(August too), much like Mard Geer before her. She's like Mard in a lot of ways honestly, were you calling anyone bias when they were saying Alvarez Gajeel or Mira or whoever could beat Mard? You're acting like it's some big deal or that I need some bias take to think Eileen ain't "the shit" anymore lmao, when this has literally happened to every other villain before her.

It's quite funny.

The dominance Mard Geer asserted in his arc isn't surpassed by anyone other than Acno and DGs
Yet he got surpassed, nobody has an issue with accepting that the top tier good guys in x792 were above Mard Geer

But suddenly for Spriggans, powercreep isn't' a thing and the good guys stopped growing; even though we have solid evidence that they trained and grew stronger. Hilarious

 

[sharkai]

Same for Deus Sema.
So August and Eileen's strongest attacks are their staff whacks huh? Weird, but alright.

i agree with this. both these mages have literally zero power feat. only thing going for eileen is that claw swip and her hyping her move after that. otherwise, i cant name one move from them which will take out someone like erza or gray

No? Natsu beat FH Zeref 1v1, he was the clear and overwhelming superior. Unlike Erza who lost 2v1 and was clearly portrayed as inferior.

i am forgetting maybe. but i clearly remember fh zeref one shot and killing natsu. lucy did something with the book.

Two tiers below what?

maybe one tier
saying jellal is in human eileen tier is like saying shadow mode gmg gajeel is in gmg jura tier

What do you mean like no one else? Like Mard Geer, I've said this many times.

we are talking about ds, not demons

How huge the power creep is will be confirmed by whether or not a BDSK is defeated 1v1 by anyone not Natsu.
Maybe he will be Alvarez Erza tier, depends on how well he does. Gajeel is powerful. Eileen being on that level doesn't make her fodder or the weakest DS, it just makes her not at the top anymore(August too), much like Mard Geer before her. She's like Mard in a lot of ways honestly, were you calling anyone bias when they were saying Alvarez Gajeel or Mira or whoever could beat Mard? You're acting like it's some big deal or that I need some bias take to think Eileen ain't "the shit" anymore lmao, when this has literally happened to every other villain before her.

you are bais, because you wank like saying human eileen is jellal tier. and yet in your mind erza couldnt get into laxus tier since forever lol


again you are confusing me. how is jellal tier (Eileen) guaranteed to win against alverzec erza tier (current gajeel).
you said before this, that Eileen is one of the strongest ds after natsu and bdsk and laxus. but this doesnt make sense

yeah, to every villain , afterall i keep on seeing you saying how gmg lyon might beat tenrou bluenote, o wait?

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It's quite funny.

The dominance Mard Geer asserted in his arc isn't surpassed by anyone other than Acno and DGs
Yet he got surpassed, nobody has an issue with accepting that the top tier good guys in x792 were above Mard Geer

But suddenly for Spriggans, powercreep isn't' a thing and the good guys stopped growing; even though we have solid evidence that they trained and grew stronger. Hilarious

please stop.
or give examples like
max vs natsu
or
bluenote vs natsu

for all you know, power creep is equal to normal arcs like in between gmg and tartarus

 

[Seven777]

i agree with this. both these mages have literally zero power feat. only thing going for eileen is that claw swip and her hyping her move after that. otherwise, i cant name one move from them which will take out someone like erza or gray



i am forgetting maybe. but i clearly remember fh zeref one shot and killing natsu. lucy did something with the book.


maybe one tier
saying jellal is in human eileen tier is like saying shadow mode gmg gajeel is in gmg jura tier



we are talking about ds, not demons



you are bais, because you wank like saying human eileen is jellal tier. and yet in your mind erza couldnt get into laxus tier since forever lol


again you are confusing me. how is jellal tier (Eileen) guaranteed to win against alverzec erza tier (current gajeel).
you said before this, that Eileen is one of the strongest ds after natsu and bdsk and laxus. but this doesnt make sense

yeah, to every villain , afterall i keep on seeing you saying how gmg lyon might beat tenrou bluenote, o wait?

I'll ignore this point then.

Sure, exhausted, trashed Natsu, who unlike Zeref didn't get his power refilled and maximized by Mavis. And when he came back? Presumably with his power refilled? 1v1, he beat Zeref's ass. Natsu trashed Zeref, he was trashing him since the beginning. He was stronger both before and after the fight, that's the difference between Natsu vs Zeref and Eileen vs Erza and Wendy. Eileen was the dominant force against those two. Natsu was dominant vs Zeref.

No... it's more like saying GMG Jellal is Jura tier lol.

No, we're talking about slayer advantage. Slayer magic does extra damage, always has, always will.

What's bias about it? He did at least as well as Eileen did against Acno, arguably better. Besides, I hate Jellal, I've shit talked him more than anyone here except Jko.

Human Eileen would beat Alvarez Erza 1v1. She'd beat Gajeel(assuming he's that level), she'd beat Jellal. They're on the same tier though.
What doesn't make sense about it? She's the strongest DS after Natsu, the BDSK and Laxus. DS advantage don't make them her equal, it just means they have a chance at victory.

I've never said that, Lyon doesn't have the feats for it. Alvarez Lyon? Maybe we can talk(he still loses)

Aldaron vs Natsu.

 

[sharkai]

No... it's more like saying GMG Jellal is Jura tier lol.

why. i dont remember alverzec jellal tying with human eileen

No, we're talking about slayer advantage. Slayer magic does extra damage, always has, always will.

what are talking about, eileen is a ds.

What's bias about it? He did at least as well as Eileen did against Acno, arguably better. Besides, I hate Jellal, I've shit talked him more than anyone here except Jko.

no he didnt. eileen removed aconogolia from the war, for entire day or something. he was so shocked by her he wanted to her name. he said he will enjoy fighting her.
and no you dont. otherwise you wouldnt have considered jellal in the same tier as your favorite character

Human Eileen would beat Alvarez Erza 1v1. She'd beat Gajeel(assuming he's that level), she'd beat Jellal. They're on the same tier though.
What doesn't make sense about it? She's the strongest DS after Natsu, the BDSK and Laxus. DS advantage don't make them her equal, it just means they have a chance at victory.

why does gajeel has a chance at victory against eileen but not against laxus. arent all ds

I've never said that, Lyon doesn't have the feats for it. Alvarez Lyon? Maybe we can talk(he still loses)

sarcasm.
i know you think tenrou bluenote is far stronger than gmg lyon (Average tier), far stronger than gmg kagura (Top tier) and maybe equal to gmg jura (boss tier).

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Aldaron vs Natsu.

natsu vs fh zeref. flames of emotion

 

[Seven777]

why. i dont remember alverzec jellal tying with human eileen



what are talking about, eileen is a ds.



no he didnt. eileen removed aconogolia from the war, for entire day or something. he was so shocked by her he wanted to her name. he said he will enjoy fighting her.
and no you dont. otherwise you wouldnt have considered jellal in the same tier as your favorite character



why does gajeel has a chance at victory against eileen but not against laxus. arent all ds



sarcasm.
i know you think tenrou bluenote is far stronger than gmg lyon (Average tier), far stronger than gmg kagura (Top tier) and maybe equal to gmg jura (boss tier).

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natsu vs fh zeref. flames of emotion

Because his performance was of the same level.

So?

And? Jellal stopped him from killing a dragon slayer. With force. And without preparation.
Of course I do, I've hated him since the Orecion Seis arc. Just look up my old comments in the shipping threads, I literally call him a dogshit character. Laxus also isn't my favorite character, Gajeel is, or Lucy and how powerful I rank both of them doesn't have anything to do with whether I like them. August is one of the shittest characters in the manga, I still rate him high, or I did till the BDSK came along.

Because as far as we know, Laxus isn't weak to slayer magic.

Exactly so.

Sure, flames of emotion, a magic exclusive to Natsu. I wonder if he'll need it for a BDSK.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Irene still haxes her to death

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It's quite funny.

The dominance Mard Geer asserted in his arc isn't surpassed by anyone other than Acno and DGs
Yet he got surpassed, nobody has an issue with accepting that the top tier good guys in x792 were above Mard Geer

But suddenly for Spriggans, powercreep isn't' a thing and the good guys stopped growing; even though we have solid evidence that they trained and grew stronger. Hilarious

mard negs DGs and S12

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i love the fact that everyone is now gonna say that erza,gray,laxus gonna be >irene/august if they beat a BDSK because of pOwErCrEeP

probably cause they are to salty that suzaku is gonna become fodder soon and want to look for an excuse to still put him above any of the S12

OT: irene still negs selene and mard geer negs your fav verse and suzaku is fodder

 

[grey matter]

@Vex_Haid
I'll give you props for at least not being a hypocrite. There is consistency here
You reject the concept of powercreep all together.

Some others here use the argument of power creep when it benefits them, but reject it when their favs gets powercrept

 

[Vex_Haid]

@Vex_Haid
I'll give you props for at least not being a hypocrite. There is consistency here
You reject the concept of powercreep all together.

Some others here use the argument of power creep when it benefits them, but reject it when their favs gets powercrept

natsu got powercreeped in alvarez was because he was training for 1 year non stop, no proof he was training for 1 year nonstop in 100YQ

no one else got stronger to begin with unless i see proof

mard geer still negs

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and i forgot to say

spriggans are the bodyguards of the MV, who is the final villain of the FT series

why would the spriggans somehow just become fodder?

 

[grey matter]

natsu got powercreeped in alvarez was because he was training for 1 year non stop, no proof he was training for 1 year nonstop in 100YQ

no one else got stronger to begin with unless i see proof

mard geer still negs

Dude, I'm saying you're consistent on your positions lol, not that you're a hypocrite.

Don't go around using logic when Mashima is the author lol. Theoretically I can agree with your logic, that Natsu trained the hardest from x791-x792, only other guy to have shown training was Laxus. In fact I even thought the same in the beginning of the Alverez arc, that Natsu was the only one who grew insanely, then Laxus.
But the reality of the power levels in FT is different, everyone just scales because Mashima is hellbent on preserving relative portrayal, It's pretty much the only reason Gildarts went from Jura tier to Serena tier, when the dude is already in/past his prime and barely trains.
Mashima gives zero Fs about training, talent, logic etc. All he cares about is portrayal. Base Gray and Gajeel will always scale to base Natsu, cause Mashima wants them as relative to each other. Jellal and Laxus always scale to each other, cause Mashima wants them relative to each other. etc


We have solid proof of training from x792 to x793. I've already given you proof earlier, of them gaining new modes, magics and abilities. How would the characters get them, if not for training?

and i forgot to say

spriggans are the bodyguards of the MV, who is the final villain of the FT series

why would the spriggans somehow just become fodder?

Because Acno tiers >>>>> Zeref tiers

Main villain of Alverez was Zeref
Main villains of 100YQ are Acno tiers

The villains scale accordingly

 

[Vex_Haid]

Dude, I'm saying you're consistent on your positions lol, not that you're a hypocrite.

Don't go around using logic when Mashima is the author lol. Theoretically I can agree with your logic, that Natsu trained the hardest from x791-x792, only other guy to have shown training was Laxus. In fact I even thought the same in the beginning of the Alverez arc, that Natsu was the only one who grew insanely, then Laxus.
But the reality of the power levels in FT is different, everyone just scales because Mashima is hellbent on preserving relative portrayal, Mashima gives zero Fs about training, talent etc. Base Gray and Gajeel will always scale to base Natsu, cause Mashima wants them as relative to each other. Jellal and Laxus always scale to each other, cause Mashima wants them relative to each other. etc


We have solid proof of training from x792 to x793. I've already given you proof earlier, of them gaining new modes, magics and abilities. How would the characters get them, if not for training?



Because Acno tiers >>>>> Zeref tiers

Main villain of Alverez was Zeref
Main villains of 100YQ are Acno tiers

The villains scale accordingly

erza trained just to get her belserion sword (if thats what its called), meaning that she only gets stronger once she used her new sword, she didn't train in base but she only trained to get her new sword, laxus trained to be able to use red lightning at will, meaning that he got stronger is because he can use red lightning mode at will, if he did get stronger in base then it would only be by a little bit but not by alot same goes for erza

also, its clear that FT didn't get powercreeped that much, cause carla said that "it would be so "reassuring" if brandish joined them, and she had current erza,natsu and gray on her side, yet she felt safer with brandish, even happy asked for her help to save natsu and erza and he had current gray on his side at the moment, so the spriggans obviously aren't fodder like everyone thinks they are

do u think current brandish>august and irene now? brandish also made gajeel as big as aldoron

None of the BDSK are acno tier to begin with, DGs are also not>>>>>>>zeref, base or FH would stomp them (still loses to acno tho)

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

spriggans are the bodyguards of the MV, who is the final villain of the FT series

Zeref isn't mv. Acnologia is.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Zeref isn't mv. Acnologia is.

both are tbh

but zeref has been mentioned earlier, had more screen time and he basically made the entire series (made the MC,natsu)

 

[sharkai]

Because his performance was of the same level.

no its not. jellal cant handle enhanced erza

So?

you said it happened to all bad guys. so why didnt it happen to bluenote

And? Jellal stopped him from killing a dragon slayer. With force. And without preparation.

so? its not like aconologia used a super strong move to kill a child. he just jumped in and confused the hell out fo aconologia, who couldnt understand why a fly was bothering him

Of course I do, I've hated him since the Orecion Seis arc. Just look up my old comments in the shipping threads, I literally call him a dogshit character. Laxus also isn't my favorite character, Gajeel is, or Lucy and how powerful I rank both of them doesn't have anything to do with whether I like them. August is one of the shittest characters in the manga, I still rate him high, or I did till the BDSK came along.

o so where did you rank pre ts jellal, and pre ts erza and pre ts laxus?

Because as far as we know, Laxus isn't weak to slayer magic.

so why is eileen? why isnt selene?

Sure, flames of emotion, a magic exclusive to Natsu. I wonder if he'll need it for a BDSK.

so no power creep example. because aldron thing is also exclusive for natsu
i dont think he would need or he remembers it

 

[Seven777]

no its not. jellal cant handle enhanced erza



you said it happened to all bad guys. so why didnt it happen to bluenote



so? its not like aconologia used a super strong move to kill a child. he just jumped in and confused the hell out fo aconologia, who couldnt understand why a fly was bothering him


o so where did you rank pre ts jellal, and pre ts erza and pre ts laxus?



so why is eileen? why isnt selene?



so no power creep example. because aldron thing is also exclusive for natsu
i dont think he would need or he remembers it

Says who?

It did, you emphasize it quite often really.

Yes, and it was a decently impressive performance.

Pre TS as in Alvarez? All on the same tier.

Because unlike Laxus, Eileen has a dragon form. Selene is weak to DS, obviously. She's simply powerful enough that it doesn't matter.

So was Natsu vs Bluenote lmao. Natsu, the guy who beat FH Zeref's ass in that same arc.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Says who?

It did, you emphasize it quite often really.

Yes, and it was a decently impressive performance.

Pre TS as in Alvarez? All on the same tier.

Because unlike Laxus, Eileen has a dragon form. Selene is weak to DS, obviously. She's simply powerful enough that it doesn't matter.

So was Natsu vs Bluenote lmao. Natsu, the guy who beat FH Zeref's ass in that same arc.

Natsu one shotted blueote in base

He needed SF (His strongest powerup) to beat FH zeref, FH zeref>anyone in the verse except for ROT acno and SF natsu

 

[sharkai]

Says who?

atleast apparently you, as you can see below

Pre TS as in Alvarez? All on the same tier.

It did, you emphasize it quite often really.

not without clear example

Yes, and it was a decently impressive performance.

not really. maybe two or three tiers below eileen performance. we saw aconologia excited, and straining against her.

Pre TS as in Alvarez? All on the same tier.

na, before first time skip

Because unlike Laxus, Eileen has a dragon form. Selene is weak to DS, obviously. She's simply powerful enough that it doesn't matter.

why doesnt laxus has this handicap. why wouldnt it matter for selene? i mean sure if you are putting alverzec erza infront of her, but against suzaku, dragon selene should be one shot too, no? if no, why?

So was Natsu vs Bluenote lmao. Natsu, the guy who beat FH Zeref's ass in that same arc.

nope. we saw others perform, like natsu, against sprinngans (we saw jura vs an average springgan)
and
we saw wrecked laxus against hades (tenrou arc, laxus vs hades)
and
we saw tired erza aganst rot aconologia (tenrou arc, fairy tail vs aconologia)
plenty of example of power creep. natsu and laxus trained alot in that time skip. in second one we had three months traning and its equivalent SO for everyone. natsu showed the result

 

[Seven777]

atleast apparently you, as you can see below




not without clear example



not really. maybe two or three tiers below eileen performance. we saw aconologia excited, and straining against her.



na, before first time skip




why doesnt laxus has this handicap. why wouldnt it matter for selene? i mean sure if you are putting alverzec erza infront of her, but against suzaku, dragon selene should be one shot too, no? if no, why?



nope. we saw others perform, like natsu, against sprinngans (we saw jura vs an average springgan)
and
we saw wrecked laxus against hades (tenrou arc, laxus vs hades)
and
we saw tired erza aganst rot aconologia (tenrou arc, fairy tail vs aconologia)
plenty of example of power creep. natsu and laxus trained alot in that time skip. in second one we had three months traning and its equivalent SO for everyone. natsu showed the result

I said they're on the same tier, not that Jellal couldn't handle enchanted Erza.

You literally use it as a clear example all the time.

Jellal did more against Acno than Eileen. Displayed better speed, better defense and comparable offense. Acno was also both "straining"(not really) and excited against Jellal too.

Oh, then Laxus>Jellal>Erza.

Because he doesn't have a dragon body?
Because she's too powerful.
Against Suzaku? Selene kills him before he gets a chance like Georg, or warps him like she did Kyria. He'd never get close. That said, if she just stood there and let him hit her? I don't know, we have no durability feats for Dragon Selene yet. We'll have to wait and see what she's made of, just like we did for Eileen.

And we've seen others perform this arc too. For example, Madmole no selling a Demolition Fist while Neinhart and Jacob get oneshot. We've seen Skullion wreck Gray's asshole, while in Alvarez Gray was raping Invel. We've seen the new villains take on a human Acno tier, and win. There are more examples of power creep in this arc than there were in Alvarez, and even more importantly, the power creep they display is even wider.

 

[Sevently]

If Laxus is beating Kirin who is > Suzaku, then this debate will end

 

[Vex_Haid]

If Laxus is beating Kirin who is > Suzaku, then this debate will end

bu.bu...but... POWERCREEP!!!!!

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anyways i already debunked the powercreep thing since carla felt safer with brandish then gray,erza and natsu and happy wanted her to help even with gray on there side

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anyways if laxus wins then wall>kirin>suzaku since wall is stronger then laxus only reason he lost was because he was jobbing and didn't bomb him with etherion or use his weakness against him

 

[grey matter]

If Laxus is beating Kirin who is > Suzaku, then this debate will end

Copium. Just means Laxus will fodderize Eileen for good.

x792 Laxus alone was human Eileen tier considering she had trouble against x792 Erza. Laxus could replicate Erza's one shot against dragon Eileen as well

You're not Mashima, Mashima says DGs are Acno tier. End.

Human Selene one shots Eileen