Games Mafia Game 97 - Omoneko: Answer Arc - End Game

[Copy Panda]

The witch shall praise the wise and bestow four treasures. One shall be all the gold from the Golden Land. One shall be the resurrection of all the dead souls. One shall be the resurrection of the love that was lost. One shall be to put the witch to sleep for all time.

Post-game
End of Game Death Post
End of Game Winner Post
Updated OP
Night Actions Umi I + Night Actions Umi II
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[Maryxxi]

evil met me halfway with the info about the hardy targeting. do u think i was lucky enough to guess what happened to who (btw hardy and jinx) and when ? ad claim it myself?
i see no one claiming to be responsible for the cursing. so i m pretty sure there's no logical suspicions that i m not the banshee

unless u mean by "guided u" that there was no cursing in the first place, and that me and evil are a team, then eeh that could still be a possibility that i dont know how to argue against xD

 

[Holt]

Interesting.

Meanwhile, out of curiosity, I asked the hosts what they would hypothetically do if they forgot to pm a player when they should have. They said it would depend on the situation, but that need didn't (or has not) arisen this game.

That would mean Evil lied about getting his PM late and probably just made that up in order to gain credibility. After all, Asako dying and flipping town would only screw him up.

 

[James Rye]

Almost certain now that mary will be killed if she is townie, mafia wont miss chance to kill detectives.

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kill me instead of nii if it comes to it.

Agreed, @Maryxxi if you die kill DD, leave Nii alive.

 

[Holt]

evil met me halfway with the info about the hardy targeting. do u think i was lucky enough to guess what happened to who (btw hardy and jinx) and when ? ad claim it myself?
i see no one claiming to be responsible for the cursing. so i m pretty sure there's no logical suspicions that i m not the banshee

The only two people who know about this curse are you and Evil, both of you are backed by the other and no one else. The easier answer is you both came up with that amusing exchange to kinda cover yourselves

 

[Vandred]

@Vandred can you reveal who you recruited N5? this could go a good way to making sense of this mess

Same as usual: since it doesn't help any current discussion, they can reveal if they so wish. I will say I was successful N5 though.

 

[Holt]

Alright, fine, let's lynch Holt and see if he is the real Avenger or the Third Party of this game or not. Since Evil will never die apprently we know he will never be able to avenge Evil anyway in the first place. Let's assume Van died recruiting Holt and we shall see if we are right. And if not, then Mafia/TP still got a chance of victory, that makes the game more fun, right?

Votekill Holt

Pay attention James. There are a ton more inconsistencies

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Same as usual: since it doesn't help any current discussion, they can reveal if they so wish. I will say I was successful N5 though.

Is it worth hiding? It could help us further...Oh well, if you say it doesn't help the current discussion, I will believe you.

 

[Vandred]

Interesting.

Meanwhile, out of curiosity, I asked the hosts what they would hypothetically do if they forgot to pm a player when they should have. They said it would depend on the situation, but that need didn't (or has not) arisen this game.

That would mean Evil lied about getting his PM late and probably just made that up in order to gain credibility. After all, Asako dying and flipping town would only screw him up.

Wait, seriously? That sounds like a huge confirmation you got from the hosts

 

[Holt]

Wait, seriously? That sounds like a huge confirmation you got from the hosts

Well I could be lying about it, as could Evil have. After all, none of us can provide further proof beyond simply saying that's what they said.

 

[Vandred]

Well I could be lying about it, as could Evil have. After all, none of us can provide further proof beyond simply saying that's what they said.

...That's a good point. But isn't the thing about Evil's results that they've been confirmed by several people? Mary, Tatsu (confirmed townie), Erin. Now he's saying Shad got blocked, which is something only an Escort or a hidden townie Prostitute who hasn't said a word so far could know. Seems pretty hard, or extremely risky, to fabricate to me.

 

[Holt]

...That's a good point. But isn't the thing about Evil's results that they've been confirmed by several people? Mary, Tatsu (confirmed townie), Erin. Now he's saying Shad got blocked, which is something only an Escort or a hidden townie Prostitute who hasn't said a word so far could know. Seems pretty hard, or extremely risky, to fabricate to me.

No, I quoted earlier, but in all instances, all of evil's results have come after those actions were revealed. Literally every single result. The closest was the Mary interaction which could have been rehearsed, but even if it weren't, then it still shows one of them is lying (between Evil and Mary)

 

[Belserion]

...That's a good point. But isn't the thing about Evil's results that they've been confirmed by several people? Mary, Tatsu (confirmed townie), Erin. Now he's saying Shad got blocked, which is something only an Escort or a hidden townie Prostitute who hasn't said a word so far could know. Seems pretty hard, or extremely risky, to fabricate to me.

Didn't Jinx the escort already say she blocked Shad, assuming there's truth in any of it?

 

[Maryxxi]

oh god this is giving me a headache

 

[Holt]

Oh and for the shad block, that was N1 when Jinx also claimed to have blocked Shad. Again, the action was already revealed. Even if she didn't actually block him, the fact that it exists in this thread is already sufficient. Also, we're still debating the existence of an escort. Putting Shad's block on N1 is the easiest thing Evil could do without needing to bring up complications

 

[Vandred]

Didn't Jinx the escort already say she blocked Shad, assuming there's truth in any of it?

Yeah but why would he make up something so absurd as the mafia blocking one of their own? I don't think any one of us believed Cres was being honest before today. Evil claiming any other target would make more sense if you ask me.

 

[Holt]

Anyway, it is definitely interesting that the hosts supposedly forgot to send just his pm so I figured phrasing a hypothetical question would help. I did not get a definite answer obviously but just goes to show anyone could literally make up shit. So which is more likely? Lying about something the host did or didn't do? or hosts forgetting to send a pm on N1? 4 hosts btw. At this point it just really feels Evil is shady and tried to confirm Mary. I feel more inclined to believe they're together because it seems like quite a stretch for Evil to assume Mary targeted Hardy on his own. Mary is new to this too..


This doesn't say much about Erin though. For Erin to be an accomplice, Nii would have to be one as well. I can't too far considering that line of thought.

There's also super instinct EH who just knew Shobu was bomb

 

[Mazino]

@Holt So you backtracked all his action reveals ?
The results were qll known before?

I mentioned this day Phase the small possiblility of him and mary being 2 of a kind, cuz they kinda were a proof for each other

 

[Holt]

Yeah but why would he make up something so absurd as the mafia blocking one of their own? I don't think any one of us believed Cres was being honest before today. Evil claiming any other target would make more sense if you ask me.

He came here and phrased it as though

My N5 result was a block on Shad N1 and investigation N4 (iirc)

What's this iirc bit doing in the result. What exactly is he needing to recall correctly about a result that should have been explicit in his PM?

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@Holt So you backtracked all his action reveals ?
The results were qll known before?

I mentioned this day Phase the small possiblility of him and mary being 2 of a kind, cuz they kinda were a proof for each other

Yes here

 

[Maryxxi]

No, I quoted earlier, but in all instances, all of evil's results have come after those actions were revealed. Literally every single result. The closest was the Mary interaction which could have been rehearsed, but even if it weren't, then it still shows one of them is lying (between Evil and Mary)

as i said before no i didnt explicitly claim banshee before evil, we met in the middle, which makes me trust they are mortician. even tho u say that their results came after the actions were revealed, mine technically wasnt. i dont understand how evil would have known about my targetting.
i dont think they are capable of guessing what i am cuz my hint was vague : i only said it s a night action that i never used before (which rules out also the roles i used as necro that one game) so that s not enough fr evil to guess i m banshee.
i know i m not lying, and by ur reasoning 'even it wasnt rehearsed, it still shows one of them lied) , i cant trust that evil lied.
saying all this, i still dont know if evil was recruited later or whatever

 

[Vandred]

He came here and phrased it as though


What's this iirc bit doing in the result. What exactly is he needing to recall correctly about a result that should have been explicit in his PM?

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Yes here

That sounds like a wording detail to me, as if he didn't pay much attention to it since it matched Erin's claim. I don't think I'll ever be convinced that any mafia will attempt a Mortician claim on D2 in a game with 31 people, but the scum has defied expectations in this game alright. So I guess he can defend himself.

 

[Holt]

@Maryxxi Alright, one question though- what is your explanation for you targeting Shad but Evil never seeing that action?