Chapter Tower of God Chapter 517 Spoilers & Discussion

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Mascheny is not aware that Baam has become much stronger than White. As the vice commander of Yasratcha said, he could no longer see the game after Bam and White started fighting each other while he was the one who created the game as Yasratcha

Also, Maschenny is not saying that Baam is not powerful enough to ally with Maschenny but that Baam is still not powerful enough to be considered as someone who has a side/team that Maschenny can ally with, she may be an ally of Gustang so she is saying that Bam still hasn't gained enough power to make Maschenny/Gustang their ally...


Impossible to think that Maschenny is telling her this while knowing that he has become much stronger than White because Baam is an ant compared to her... We are talking about Baam (being awake, he was already much stronger than White and he will approach his full power)
 

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I doubt she could act with such impunity, if that was the case there would be the all out war that she wanted instead of this crap, zahard wouldnt allow something as dumb as killing masch to happen eduan would take it as an excuse to act
They acted against Enne, the child of two FH's, anyone is fair game.
 

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As for Adori hunting Maschenny, does Eduan care enough about Mas to step out of one of his wives' skirts? Or will zahard stop crying into his pillow for Arlen, to stop it? Because we're talking about the strongest princess that only FH can stop her on. And unlike Yuri, we don't know Maschenny's relationship with Eduan and even less with Zahard.
How so? She's the central power of the Khun family according to Cinera even tho we have no basis to make such claims.
 

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Except it doesn't? If she is not aware of how Baam vs White went, she has literally no basis to claim that Baam is too weak to side with her. Baam literally handled White's prime with ease while holding back enough to lure him into the stupid trap.
It doesn't matter if Baam beat White or not, he has a weak group (assuming all his allies in this war is his "group"), thus Maschenny is not interested in siding with him at this point.

First thing Ascension did as soon as he appeared on the battlefield was to compare himself with White to make the claim that he could beat the current White/Vincente easily, that shows that White Prime is certainly not "weak enough" to side with Maschenny.
Ascensio is commenting that he can easily beat the weakened White, not Prime White.
 

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It doesn't matter if Baam beat White or not, he has a weak group (assuming all his allies in this war is his "group"), thus Maschenny is not interested in siding with him at this point.
We already know that. Ascension already called out Cinera's narrative of Maschenny being the strongest character in the Nest by telling Khun that there are far more dangerous groups trying to get the Irregular's ass.
But that's no the point here.
Ascensio is commenting that he can easily beat the weakened White, not Prime White.
Why he would make such comment if even White Prime is not strong enough to side with Maschenny anyways? That's the point. Why someone currently siding with Maschenny compares himself with White, the weakling?

Maschenny is a baby dragon = must means she is the strongest character in the Nest, not anything else.
Baam is a beast = means he has absurd potential, it doesn't mean that he is actually strong.
See? That's the hilarious part. Not sure why you keep replying as none of the questions are meant for you anyways. What you think "Baby dragon" comment of Jinsung means, it's completely different than what Cinera is trying to push because of that comment.
I agree with you aboutt the comment of "Not strong enough" is about his group as a whole. Baam is not strong enough like Urek to pull off the weight of useless characters nor has strong enough allies to again carry the weight of the rest.
If we leave it to Cinera Maschenny cleans the floor with Enryuu and Phanta with just one finger. lmao
It's getting tiresome at this point. Jeez.
 
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The Armada she brought to say hi to Jinsung commiserate with this sentiment.



LOL no. Prime White and Maschenny aren't on the same level.
Youre right they arent on the same lvl prime white is waaayyy stronger than maschenny

Prime white is comparable to kallavan who easily overpowered jinsung ha and held his own against 3 high rankers after

Plus khel hellam stated hes as strong as an entire squadron.

Prime White >>>>>>>>>>> Jinsung Ha > Maschenny
 

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They entered, the only one left behind was Asensio
So basically they left the least trust worthy person guarding the flank

What could go wrong
 

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I sincerely wanted to understand why the hell you guys interpreted HJ's speech as if he was talking about Maschenny's strength, the whole context is about her intelligence and how she brought chaos to this war, for God's sake
 

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Why he would make such comment if even White Prime is not strong enough to side with Maschenny anyways? That's the point.

Maschenny is a baby dragon = must means she is the strongest character in the Nest, not anything else.
Baam is a beast = means he has absurd potential, it doesn't mean that he is strong.
See? That's the hilarious part. Not sure why you keep replying as none of the questions are meant for you anyways.


It's getting tiresome at this point. Jeez.
I don't understand the point you're making, Ascensio is simply commenting current White is weak, so he can easily handle him. It has nothing to do with Maschenny.

I don't care about Maschenny's power level, I simply argued this part " she has literally no basis to claim that Baam is too weak to side with her ", saying Baam's faction is too weak among the real players to side with.
 

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So basically they left the least trust worthy person guarding the flank

What could go wrong
Well, it wasn't really them, it was Asensio's choice to stay, because there's no sense for him to go. BTW, they're going on a no-return mission, what scares me is the captain's regular subordinate getting left behind.
 

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I sincerely wanted to understand why the hell you guys interpreted HJ's speech as if he was talking about Maschenny's strength, the whole context is about her intelligence and how she brought chaos to this war, for God's sake
Regardless of whether he's talking about her strength or intelligence, or both, he was obviously speaking euphemistically and with hyperbole.
 

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No Princess has ever been stripped of their 13 Month Weapon(s) as a punishment.
they tried with Enne, but even the sword was "mad"
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I’ll go back and reread but YHS and Lefav may have triggered Kallavan’s clause to allow him to jump there as well!!!
Brilliant
--- Double Post Merged, ---

I’ll go back and reread but YHS and Lefav may have triggered Kallavan’s clause to allow him to jump there as well!!!
Brilliant
after toying with white prime, he can easily beat anyone there except FH...
He didn't toy with shit, lad had 5 diff people bail him out in that fight
--- Double Post Merged, ---

I doubt it’s 2v2 Ryb should already know about Lefav’s limitations. Most likely he’ll have 1 of the rising stars prove their worth by facing them both. In this case Lefav can be a true spearbearer and support the wave controller (YHS) from a distance.
Yeah? And how is he gonna answer to LPB FH if another one of his kids die
 

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It doesn't matter if Baam beat White or not, he has a weak group (assuming all his allies in this war is his "group"), thus Maschenny is not interested in siding with him at this point.
Baam is basically a slayer at this point. He isn't lacking in influence. He's important enough Fug to cause them to raid the nest. Unless Mas thinks Fug is weak....
 

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Baam is basically a slayer at this point. He isn't lacking in influence. He's important enough Fug to cause them to raid the nest. Unless Mas thinks Fug is weak....
FUG is indeed weak, Luch commented only Wolhailksong, Workshop and the great warriors matter.
 

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Baam is basically a slayer at this point. He isn't lacking in influence. He's important enough Fug to cause them to raid the nest. Unless Mas thinks Fug is weak....
FUG is indeed weak, Luch commented only Wolhailksong, Workshop and the great warriors matter.
While FUG is weak in the big picture, are they compared to Mas as an individual?
 

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I don't understand the point you're making, Ascensio is simply commenting current White is weak, so he can easily handle him. It has nothing to do with Maschenny.

I don't care about Maschenny's power level, I simply argued this part " she has literally no basis to claim that Baam is too weak to side with her ", saying Baam's faction is too weak among the real players to side with.
"See? That's the hilarious part. Not sure why you keep replying as none of the questions are meant for you anyways. What you think "Baby dragon" comment of Jinsung means, it's completely different than what Cinera is trying to push because of that comment.
I agree with you about the comment of "Not strong enough" is about his group as a whole. Baam is not strong enough like Urek to pull off the weight of useless characters nor has strong enough allies to again carry the weight of the rest. "
I edited it and assume you didn't see it.

I'm just commenting that she (Maschenny) has no basis to claim that Baam is too weak to side with her because Cinera has been using that comment as proof that Baam alone (in terms of power/strenght) is weaker than Maschenny.

Cinera said:
No, Baam is simply not strong enough for that.

She tells him as such:
Rak: What the hell do you think you're saying to my preys right now! Whose side are you on!!

Maschenny: ..Whose side, you ask?

Pfft-!

Don't get the wrong idea here.

You're not strong nor great enough to be on someone's side right now.

Right now, you have to choose who you would like to be used by,

Rather than who you want to side with, little ones.

That is why I have no intention to side with you.

I'm only asking if 'you would like to be used by me' right now, you l-l-l-little children.
I guess you're missing some context, cheers!
 
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While FUG is weak in the big picture, are they compared to Mas as an individual?
I don't think so, FUG >>>> Mas probably. Mas is simply content to stay with Zahard because it's likely easier for her to scheme.

Really? You think Fug is weak to the point that they don't deserve to take sides but to be used a pawn?
Not my words but Luch's, a genesis ranker.
 
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