One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[Lord Traffy Law]

I'd also argue this is also 100% due to Oda not having a clear picture about future powerscaling. Oda hadn't even invented armament hardening back then, and idea of conqueror's coating was in it's infancy
Crocodile is another victim to this as well.

Magellan ~ Shillew (pre Fruit)

And Shiliew is BB pirate's 2nd in command

Luffy's punch got Magellan to his knees

If BB is weakling for taking damage (but still pretty much fine) from Luffy while in troll mode, then so are Shilew and Magellan

Magellan and shiryuu(who should be a yc1 or around that level) were at par somewhat , but Magellan did defeat him and he is the warden of impel down(, he's one of the strongest fighters the world government has, he's around YC1 to YC1+ imo

 

[albertwv]

Jimbei is not YC3 he is YC4. Jimbei is not stronger than Doffy or Cracker (maybe Cracker if he was near water and knew about Cracker's weakness)
Jimbei could not defeat G4 Luffy in Dressrosa. That is why I put Jimbei lower than YC3.
Jimbei that fought equally Ace 3-4 years ago, we dont know how strong he was. He could have been YC4 or weaker, IDK. Lets assume YC4. So then Ace was YC4 at that time since it was an equal match.
Ace then got stronger, but how strong?

People will place him in YC1, YC2, but not YC3.
I place him at YC3, below Doffy and Cracker.
Ace didnt really show anything that could put him with the rest of the YCs like Jozu or Vista. Ace didnt really show off his haki and seem to rely heavily on his logia DF. Something rookie pirates with logias do. Before you claim, haki was not a thing back then, by MF it was. maybe even back as Post Enies Lobby (Garp vs Luffy)

BB does have his guard down almost all the time. But you cannot deny the fact that Pre TS Gear 2 Luffy made BB bleed with one punch. While Post TS Gear 2 Luffy had a hard time with Doffy and Cracker. I do believe Pre TS BB > Pre TS Luffy. That is a fact for sure. So I am not downplaying BB, the manga is LOL.
Pre TS BB with Quake DF, he is YC1 level so yeah he can defeat Doffy, Cracker, etc. But without the Quake DF, he is a YC3.

People getting upset that I dont trust novel, vivre cards and anime LOL. I mistakenly used the anime once, and I took it back. The manga is more accurate than the anime.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Jimbei is not YC3 he is YC4. Jimbei is not stronger than Doffy or Cracker (maybe Cracker if he was near water and knew about Cracker's weakness)
Jimbei could not defeat G4 Luffy in Dressrosa. That is why I put Jimbei lower than YC3.
Jimbei that fought equally Ace 3-4 years ago, we dont know how strong he was. He could have been YC4 or weaker, IDK. Lets assume YC4. So then Ace was YC4 at that time since it was an equal match.
Ace then got stronger, but how strong?

People will place him in YC1, YC2, but not YC3.
I place him at YC3, below Doffy and Cracker.
Ace didnt really show anything that could put him with the rest of the YCs like Jozu or Vista. Ace didnt really show off his haki and seem to rely heavily on his logia DF. Something rookie pirates with logias do. Before you claim, haki was not a thing back then, by MF it was. maybe even back as Post Enies Lobby (Garp vs Luffy)

BB does have his guard down almost all the time. But you cannot deny the fact that Pre TS Gear 2 Luffy made BB bleed with one punch. While Post TS Gear 2 Luffy had a hard time with Doffy and Cracker. I do believe Pre TS BB > Pre TS Luffy. That is a fact for sure. So I am not downplaying BB, the manga is LOL.
Pre TS BB with Quake DF, he is YC1 level so yeah he can defeat Doffy, Cracker, etc. But without the Quake DF, he is a YC3.

People getting upset that I dont trust novel, vivre cards and anime LOL. I mistakenly used the anime once, and I took it back. The manga is more accurate than the anime.

nah everyone knows not to use the anime. the vivre cards and the novels are legit though.

 

[albertwv]

nah everyone knows not to use the anime. the vivre cards and the novels are legit though.

No they are not. Bye.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Jimbei is not YC3 he is YC4. Jimbei is not stronger than Doffy or Cracker (maybe Cracker if he was near water and knew about Cracker's weakness)
Jimbei could not defeat G4 Luffy in Dressrosa. That is why I put Jimbei lower than YC3.
Jimbei that fought equally Ace 3-4 years ago, we dont know how strong he was. He could have been YC4 or weaker, IDK. Lets assume YC4. So then Ace was YC4 at that time since it was an equal match.
Ace then got stronger, but how strong?

People will place him in YC1, YC2, but not YC3.
I place him at YC3, below Doffy and Cracker.
Ace didnt really show anything that could put him with the rest of the YCs like Jozu or Vista. Ace didnt really show off his haki and seem to rely heavily on his logia DF. Something rookie pirates with logias do. Before you claim, haki was not a thing back then, by MF it was. maybe even back as Post Enies Lobby (Garp vs Luffy)

BB does have his guard down almost all the time. But you cannot deny the fact that Pre TS Gear 2 Luffy made BB bleed with one punch. While Post TS Gear 2 Luffy had a hard time with Doffy and Cracker. I do believe Pre TS BB > Pre TS Luffy. That is a fact for sure. So I am not downplaying BB, the manga is LOL.
Pre TS BB with Quake DF, he is YC1 level so yeah he can defeat Doffy, Cracker, etc. But without the Quake DF, he is a YC3.

People getting upset that I dont trust novel, vivre cards and anime LOL. I mistakenly used the anime once, and I took it back. The manga is more accurate than the anime.

One of the most weird in this Wano arc are it seems almost like Kaido is the only real weapon that the beast pirates have..
He have to do it all by himself, the only thing i could remember that his crew does right are when King kick BM ship.. That's it
I mean.. The one who deffeat Oden is Kaido, twice, his subordinate immediately tell Kaido when the 3 Samurai that are locked with Yamato escape instead of reporting to the tobi roppo or at least his commander..

Hmmm pointing out that jinbei couldn’t defeat gear 4 luffy in dressora isn’t even a good point cause neither could doflamingo like at all , once luffy went G4 it was completely loo sided only the anime made it seem kinda close at times to pad the time , in the manga luffy was completely dominating him , heck I don’t think Jack could either


Yeah oda writing of the beast pirates been kinda lackluster , in whole cake Island when the big mum pirates got hyped as ruthless competent monsters I felt it
Katakuri cracker oven perospero all were with the shits, the crew were constantly cornering
Since the raid started the alliance never really felt on the backfoot , heck if strategy was planned better imagine if the scabbards stayed down while the scabbards cleared the floor instead of fighting kaido , they'd have routed the beast pirates

 

[Fox666]

Hmmm pointing out that jinbei couldn’t defeat gear 4 luffy in dressora isn’t even a good point cause neither could doflamingo like at all , once luffy went G4 it was completely loo sided only the anime made it seem kinda close at times to pad the time , in the manga luffy was completely dominating him , heck I don’t think Jack could either

Ashura Douji, who seemed equal to Jack, was very surprised by Luffy plummeting Kaido in Gear 4... maybe it was just because he was attacking Kaido, but it did seemed Gear 4 was something else even for him

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Ashura Douji, who seemed equal to Jack, was very surprised by Luffy plummeting Kaido in Gear 4... maybe it was just because he was attacking Kaido, but it did seemed Gear 4 was something else even for him

Well start of wano Luffy was many times more powerful than any of the scabbards the upper tier scabbards ( ashura, kawamatsu, denjiro and the minks included ) he was YC1 to yC1+ tier , the one shot Luffy took breaks power scaling , guess oda kinda went overboard hyping kaido

 

[grey matter]

Jimbei is not YC3 he is YC4. Jimbei is not stronger than Doffy or Cracker (maybe Cracker if he was near water and knew about Cracker's weakness)
Jimbei could not defeat G4 Luffy in Dressrosa. That is why I put Jimbei lower than YC3.

Jinbe being below G4 Luffy doesn't mean Jinbe isn't YC3.

G4 Luffy in Dresrossa/beginning of WCI operates around Y2 level, as long as time limit isn't an issue

G4 Luffy in Dresrossa would defeat Jack too for eg.
Cracker had a better time against him cause Luffy has no AOE unless he pulls out KKG or Gattaling or something. So, numbers work well against Luffy. Luffy's issue against Cracker was mainly the time limit, similar to against Doflamingo. G4 Luffy was ploughing through all the biscuit soldiers

I think that mid-high diffing the upper echelons of Tobiroppo warrants Jinbe being a borderline YC3 for sure

Anyway, I agree that Doflamingo, Jack and Cracker are overall > Jinbe. But Jinbe is close to that level
Jinbe would beat Cracker mid diff due to matchup, and lose to Doffy low-mid diff due to matchup. Jack vs Jinbe would be a high diff win for Jack

Jimbei that fought equally Ace 3-4 years ago, we dont know how strong he was. He could have been YC4 or weaker, IDK. Lets assume YC4. So then Ace was YC4 at that time since it was an equal match.
Ace then got stronger, but how strong?

I'd assume that Jinbe then is around the same level as Jinbe now.
Current Jinbe is 44 years old IIRC, which means Ace fought a Jinbe who was 39-40 years old. Typically, this is past the age characters peak. Any growth Jinbe had since then is probably minimal.

I'd assume Ace would've grown at a similar pace Luffy did. Ace has similar genetic potential, if not higher. Ace grew under the strongest alive pirate, and some of the strongest veteran pirates out there.

Ace at 17-18 years old (i.e Ace that fought Jinbe) >> Luffy at 17 years old (Luffy at Marineford)
By scaling, he should've grown at a relative pace similar to Luffy did under Rayleigh. If Luffy was YC2-3 tier immediately post timeskip.
Ace at Marineford >> Luffy immediately post timeskip, which should definitely put him above character like Queen for eg

People will place him in YC1, YC2, but not YC3.
I place him at YC3, below Doffy and Cracker.
Ace didnt really show anything that could put him with the rest of the YCs like Jozu or Vista. Ace didnt really show off his haki and seem to rely heavily on his logia DF. Something rookie pirates with logias do. Before you claim, haki was not a thing back then, by MF it was. maybe even back as Post Enies Lobby (Garp vs Luffy)

No way he's below Doffy and Cracker lol

Vista, probably. Vista fought equally with a casual Mihawk afterall, and Mihawk is likely Yonko level

His feats against Aokiji are comparable to Jozu's feats against Aokoji as well.
Not sure what puts Jozu above Ace

Haki was in it's infancy in Marineford. We couldn't even know when one was using armament or not back then. The concept of armament hardening didn't even exist then.

BB does have his guard down almost all the time. But you cannot deny the fact that Pre TS Gear 2 Luffy made BB bleed with one punch. While Post TS Gear 2 Luffy had a hard time with Doffy and Cracker. I do believe Pre TS BB > Pre TS Luffy. That is a fact for sure. So I am not downplaying BB, the manga is LOL.
Pre TS BB with Quake DF, he is YC1 level so yeah he can defeat Doffy, Cracker, etc. But without the Quake DF, he is a YC3.

G2 Luffy made Magellan kneel using his punch, and this was a Magellan in combat, unlike BB who just talking smack and off guard. Magellan >= Shillew (pre DF).

Some fodder sea king took Shanks' arm. The same sea king BOS Luffy one shotted. Obviously Shanks wasn't a Yonko level, but he was still incredibly strong, used to fight with Mihawk and has always been a haki monster.

This is simply Oda not having a proper idea about how crazy powerscaling would get in the future.

nah everyone knows not to use the anime. the vivre cards and the novels are legit though.

How legit are the Vivre cards and novels?

I mean, are they from Oda himself or are they endorsed as legit by Oda?

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Well start of wano Luffy was many times more powerful than any of the scabbards the upper tier scabbards ( ashura, kawamatsu, denjiro and the minks included ) he was YC1 to yC1+ tier , the one shot Luffy took breaks power scaling , guess oda kinda went overboard hyping kaido

It was definitely an outlier. Scabbards range from YC2-YC4, all of them weaker than beginning of Wano Luffy, yet they tanked multiple hits from Kaido.

But. I don't think beginning of Waco Luffy was even YC1, let alone YC1+

Katakuri was stronger than Luffy. Stronger stats, stronger armament and better future sight. Luffy only won over him with will power. Katakuri was slowly losing his will to fight over the entire fight and his loyalty to BM is questionable to say the least, while Luffy was doing everything in his power to win and move forward with unwavering determination.

This is how I see it:
Beginning of Wano Luffy: borderline YC1
Beginning of Raid Luffy: solid YC1
Chapter 1010 Luffy: YC1+
Current Luffy: solid Admiral tier

 

[BoyNextDoor]

No they are not. Bye.

How legit are the Vivre cards and novels?

I mean, are they from Oda himself or are they endorsed as legit by Oda?

yeah the vivre cards are supervised by him

as for the novels

 

[Crimson Ice]

Honestly, I kind of expected Zoro to stomp King after unlocking ACoc, but that wasn't the case. Even after that, it was a tough fight, and the turning point seemed to be more about Zoro figuring out the flames. It looks like people were extremely premature with Zoro being way above YC1, which appeared to be the stance with a lot of people.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Jinbe being below G4 Luffy doesn't mean Jinbe isn't YC3.

G4 Luffy in Dresrossa/beginning of WCI operates around Y2 level, as long as time limit isn't an issue

G4 Luffy in Dresrossa would defeat Jack too for eg.
Cracker had a better time against him cause Luffy has no AOE unless he pulls out KKG or Gattaling or something. So, numbers work well against Luffy. Luffy's issue against Cracker was mainly the time limit, similar to against Doflamingo. G4 Luffy was ploughing through all the biscuit soldiers

I think that mid-high diffing the upper echelons of Tobiroppo warrants Jinbe being a borderline YC3 for sure

Anyway, I agree that Doflamingo, Jack and Cracker are overall > Jinbe. But Jinbe is close to that level
Jinbe would beat Cracker mid diff due to matchup, and lose to Doffy low-mid diff due to matchup. Jack vs Jinbe would be a high diff win for Jack




I'd assume that Jinbe then is around the same level as Jinbe now.
Current Jinbe is 44 years old IIRC, which means Ace fought a Jinbe who was 39-40 years old. Typically, this is past the age characters peak. Any growth Jinbe had since then is probably minimal.

I'd assume Ace would've grown at a similar pace Luffy did. Ace has similar genetic potential, if not higher. Ace grew under the strongest alive pirate, and some of the strongest veteran pirates out there.

Ace at 17-18 years old (i.e Ace that fought Jinbe) >> Luffy at 17 years old (Luffy at Marineford)
By scaling, he should've grown at a relative pace similar to Luffy did under Rayleigh. If Luffy was YC2-3 tier immediately post timeskip.
Ace at Marineford >> Luffy immediately post timeskip, which should definitely put him above character like Queen for eg



No way he's below Doffy and Cracker lol

Vista, probably. Vista fought equally with a casual Mihawk afterall, and Mihawk is likely Yonko level

His feats against Aokiji are comparable to Jozu's feats against Aokoji as well.
Not sure what puts Jozu above Ace

Haki was in it's infancy in Marineford. We couldn't even know when one was using armament or not back then. The concept of armament hardening didn't even exist then.



G2 Luffy made Magellan kneel using his punch, and this was a Magellan in combat, unlike BB who just talking smack and off guard. Magellan >= Shillew (pre DF).

Some fodder sea king took Shanks' arm. The same sea king BOS Luffy one shotted. Obviously Shanks wasn't a Yonko level, but he was still incredibly strong, used to fight with Mihawk and has always been a haki monster.

This is simply Oda not having a proper idea about how crazy powerscaling would get in the future.



How legit are the Vivre cards and novels?

I mean, are they from Oda himself or are they endorsed as legit by Oda?

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It was definitely an outlier. Scabbards range from YC2-YC4, all of them weaker than beginning of Wano Luffy, yet they tanked multiple hits from Kaido.

But. I don't think beginning of Waco Luffy was even YC1, let alone YC1+

Katakuri was stronger than Luffy. Stronger stats, stronger armament and better future sight. Luffy only won over him with will power. Katakuri was slowly losing his will to fight over the entire fight and his loyalty to BM is questionable to say the least, while Luffy was doing everything in his power to win and move forward with unwavering determination.

This is how I see it:
Beginning of Wano Luffy: borderline YC1
Beginning of Raid Luffy: solid YC1
Chapter 1010 Luffy: YC1+
Current Luffy: solid Admiral tier

i disagree(but i see where you come from) katakuri saw luffy was growing rapidly during the fight, kata was superior , but i think stamina, durability wise luffy is superior, i think kata;s coo mastery had put him out of harms way and with big mums pirates probably not being pushed in ages, luffy been constantly pushed , cause when luffy hit g4 his power and speed actually was in his class, plus luffy is kind of a xenkai boost character , tough fights improve him a lot after he heals up
i think start of raid he was yc1+ , the got the raw stats buff when he did the seastone cuffs weigh training in udon, plus the ryou training
i don't think kata was necessarily stronger just able to predict everything

 

[LaGOAT]

@grey matter i disagree jinbei is beating jack

 

[XXGenesis]

Jimbei is defeating Cracker & Jack. Both with High-Mid Diff.

Zoro is a solid YC1 lv now. With YC1+ offense. Enma unlocking his ACOC as seen in the rooftop gives him deadly attack power.

 

[M3J]

Hard to put Jinbei in one of those stupid Emperor commander tier given he was able to defend against BIg Mom and throw her into the sea. By contrast, all Luffy could do is stop a Big Mom attack who wasn't expecting him or Sanji.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Jimbei is defeating Cracker & Jack. Both with High-Mid Diff.

Zoro is a solid YC1 lv now. With YC1+ offense. Enma unlocking his ACOC as seen in the rooftop gives him deadly attack power.

I hate the fact that a blade unlocked advanced COC never seen a more rushed development

 

[grey matter]

i disagree(but i see where you come from) katakuri saw luffy was growing rapidly during the fight, kata was superior , but i think stamina, durability wise luffy is superior, i think kata;s coo mastery had put him out of harms way and with big mums pirates probably not being pushed in ages, luffy been constantly pushed , cause when luffy hit g4 his power and speed actually was in his class, plus luffy is kind of a xenkai boost character , tough fights improve him a lot after he heals up
i think start of raid he was yc1+ , the got the raw stats buff when he did the seastone cuffs weigh training in udon, plus the ryou training
i don't think kata was necessarily stronger just able to predict everything

I agree Luffy has higher endurance/durability.

But, I think what makes Katakuri a YC1 is his advanced observation haki, combined with his logia-esque DF which synchronize perfectly with future sight in order to dodge and attack in very versatile ways.

Luffy developed enough future sight to counter Katakuri's combat style exclusively. But this doesn't mean he is overall as strong as Katakuri, because Luffy's future sight doesn't synchronize with his DF the same way Katakuri's does

My point here being, just because Luffy got future sight (albeit weaker version), he wouldn't be able to dodge attacks like Katakuri can. Cause Luffy's body isn't similar to Katakuri.
Case in point, his future sight doesn't even allow him to dodge attacks from Topiroppo tiers. Katakuri wouldn't take a single blow from any Tobiroppo or Apoo.
Katakuri wouldn't take more than a single hit from someone like Ulti and no diff her. Luffy would mid diff her. That's the difference.


Let's say, Katakuri is normalized at:
Defence, i.e ability to dodge/counter - 10 (with future sight)
Attack Power - 10
Combat Speed/CQC - 10 (with future sight)
Durability, i.e ability to take damage - 10

Luffy:
Defence - 4
Attack Power - 9
Combat speed/CQC - 10
Durability - 12

King:
Defence - 5
Attack Power - 13
Combat speed/CQC - 14 (offense mode), 7 (defence mode)
Durability - 13 (offense mode)/ 20 (defence mode, but pretty much invulnerable to attacks unless you have advanced conqueror's)


In a hypothetical match versus King.
Beginning of Wano Luffy would lose mid diff to King. King would be outright faster and stronger than Luffy in offense mode, the only mode Luffy would be able to deal damage to him in beginning of arc.
Or King could simply cheese and remain in defense mode when Luffy is in G4 and wait out, leading to a no diff win for King.

But Katakuri vs King would be a high-extreme diff fight win for King.
Even though King is faster and stronger, Katakuri has insane defense with his future sight + logia-esque body. Plus future sight would allow him to time his attacks well to damage King when King is in offense mode. If King relies purely on physical attacks, he likely would lose the fight.
I say King wins only because King has good AOE with his fire attacks, and AOE counters Katakuri's fighting style with future sight


This is why I say, beginning of Wano Luffy isn't YC1 tier. He just grew in WCI to specifically counter Katakuri's style.
While Katakuri would still operate very well against another YC1 (say King), Luffy wouldn't

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@grey matter i disagree jinbei is beating jack

Why/how ?

 

[LaGOAT]

I agree Luffy has higher endurance/durability.

But, I think what makes Katakuri a YC1 is his advanced observation haki, combined with his logia-esque DF which synchronize perfectly with future sight in order to dodge and attack in very versatile ways.

Luffy developed enough future sight to counter Katakuri's combat style exclusively. But this doesn't mean he is overall as strong as Katakuri, because Luffy's future sight doesn't synchronize with his DF the same way Katakuri's does

My point here being, just because Luffy got future sight (albeit weaker version), he wouldn't be able to dodge attacks like Katakuri can. Cause Luffy's body isn't similar to Katakuri.
Case in point, his future sight doesn't even allow him to dodge attacks from Topiroppo tiers. Katakuri wouldn't take a single blow from any Tobiroppo or Apoo.
Katakuri wouldn't take more than a single hit from someone like Ulti and no diff her. Luffy would mid diff her. That's the difference.


Let's say, Katakuri is normalized at:
Defence, i.e ability to dodge/counter - 10 (with future sight)
Attack Power - 10
Combat Speed/CQC - 10 (with future sight)
Durability, i.e ability to take damage - 10

Luffy:
Defence - 4
Attack Power - 9
Combat speed/CQC - 10
Durability - 12

King:
Defence - 5
Attack Power - 13
Combat speed/CQC - 14 (offense mode), 7 (defence mode)
Durability - 13 (offense mode)/ 20 (defence mode, but pretty much invulnerable to attacks unless you have advanced conqueror's)


In a hypothetical match versus King.
Beginning of Wano Luffy would lose mid diff to King. King would be outright faster and stronger than Luffy in offense mode, the only mode Luffy would be able to deal damage to him in beginning of arc.
Or King could simply cheese and remain in defense mode when Luffy is in G4 and wait out, leading to a no diff win for King.

But Katakuri vs King would be a high-extreme diff fight win for King.
Even though King is faster and stronger, Katakuri has insane defense with his future sight + logia-esque body. Plus future sight would allow him to time his attacks well to damage King when King is in offense mode. If King relies purely on physical attacks, he likely would lose the fight.
I say King wins only because King has good AOE with his fire attacks, and AOE counters Katakuri's fighting style with future sight


This is why I say, beginning of Wano Luffy isn't YC1 tier. He just grew in WCI to specifically counter Katakuri's style.
While Katakuri would still operate very well against another YC1 (say King), Luffy wouldn't

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Why/how ?

I feel like u underrate jinbei like I said he around yc2 lvl. He beating jack cracker and DD. Jinbei is around sanji lvl he just doesn’t get that type of shine to prove why

 

[grey matter]

I feel like u underrate jinbei like I said he around yc2 lvl. He beating jack cracker and DD. Jinbei is around sanji lvl he just doesn’t get that type of shine to prove why

What suggests Jinbe is above Doflamingo? Not sure where Jinbe is YC2 tier is coming from either.

Nah, current Sanji is borderline YC1. Jinbe lose to Sanji mid diff

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Jimbei is defeating Cracker & Jack. Both with High-Mid Diff.

Zoro is a solid YC1 lv now. With YC1+ offense. Enma unlocking his ACOC as seen in the rooftop gives him deadly attack power.

On what basis is Jinbe above Jack? Cracker yea, Jinbe counters the dude.

Zoro's offense is very high relative to his tier.

BM was warning Kaido about Zoro's attack power in rooftop when he was just using advanced armament.

IMO current Zoro's offense is admiral tier
But offense aside, yea I agree Zoro is around YC1 level in other stats. Overall Zoro is YC1+

 

[LaGOAT]

What suggests Jinbe is above Doflamingo? Not sure where Jinbe is YC2 tier is coming from either.

Nah, current Sanji is borderline YC1. Jinbe lose to Sanji mid diff

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On what basis is Jinbe above Jack? Cracker yea, Jinbe counters the dude.

Zoro's offense is very high relative to his tier.

BM was warning Kaido about Zoro's attack power in rooftop when he was just using advanced armament.

IMO current Zoro's offense is admiral tier
But offense aside, yea I agree Zoro is around YC1 level in other stats. Overall Zoro is YC1+

Marineford feats his past and current feats and when he joins the crew. The dude mid diff who’s who

i know sanji>jinbei what I mean they are in the same tier.

why do u think jinbei can’t beat jack?

 

[albertwv]

I feel like u underrate jinbei like I said he around yc2 lvl. He beating jack cracker and DD. Jinbei is around sanji lvl he just doesn’t get that type of shine to prove why

Off of what basis?
Besides the fact that he blocked BM's sword swing and pushed her, that was amazing feat no lie. But I dont think that is YC2 level.
He doesnt have strong feats to place him above Cracker or DD or even Jack.
Besides the fact that Crackers weakness is water, how can Jimbei counter Crackers endless army? Luffy got lucky he had Nami around if not he probably would not have won that battle.

DD shows way better feats than Jimbei, I dont see how Jimbei would counter the strings or be fast enough to strike DD. Also DD is a flyer and Jimbei isnt so DD could do aerial attacks.

Jack, well he seems to be a tank and Jimbei doesnt.