One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[grey matter]

Yeah I did state the obvious. Just a little comment to throw in since I don't care for Enel either way

I was feeling left out

Lol.
I mean he already one shotted pretimeskip Ussop. As well as pretty much everyone including Zoro and Sanji

Can Enel one shot post timeskip Ussop then?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Lol.
I mean he already one shotted pretimeskip Ussop. As well as pretty much everyone including Zoro and Sanji

Can Enel one shot post timeskip Ussop then?

If a Ulti Meteor couldn't keep him down i doubt Enel could u less he used his full power island destroyer attack

 

[albertwv]

Enel is OP is he plays his cards correctly.

His skills and capabilities are OP. He can spam nukes from 10s of kms away, and has observation haki potent enough to pinpoint the nukes

The only thing holding him back is his God complex.



Way to state the obvious lol

Unless you made a type and meant post timeskip. Yea, Enel definitely one shots post timeskip Ussop.

That was only because of the cloud islands weather in Skypiea that boosted his CoO and thanks to the Ark Maxim that boosted his Lightning powers. Other than that, I dont think he can do what youre saying he can.

If he came down to Earth where clouds are more limited in some parts and without the Ark Maxim to create thunder clouds for him to nuke lightning kilometers away, his power would be much weaker, still strong...in Paradise.

Like I said his CoO is basic even among New World veterans. He was able to dodge Pre Timeskip, Pre Gears Luffy. Which is a pretty slow Luffy compared to New world veterans. So I dont see Enel being "OP".

Technically, Sugar is OP if she plays her cards right. Should we add her to the list of Yonko level?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Here you dropped this:

LMAO that felt good.

BOY get outta here!!! (see what I did there "Boy") Mid diffs everyone under YC1? Omg stop. Not even gonna reply to that.

 

[XXGenesis]

Enel being compared to the NW turns him into a glass cannon. & not a very powerful canon at that. Current scailing they have more than enough durability, endurance & stamina to survive Enel attacks & way more strength

 

[Ricko]

Plus, where would say Aokiji go if you take away his DF? From borderline Yonko tier, to below all YC1s
Where would BB go if you take away his DFs? From Yonko tier to YC (say 2nd commander) tier

The problem is that Enel without his devil fruit would be slaughtered by Kuro... His CoO is not strong enough to keep that kind of speed...
Any opponent who master Soru would overhelm Enel.

The reject dial wich must be equivalent to a G2 punch, almost killed him...

Enel is a formidable foe, he got immense potential, but as said he was a frog in a well.
He's clever and had a great mastery of his DF, but really lack in combat skill and stats for the NW standart.

We are not sure that his lightning could OS someone with CoA.
Someone with advanced form may deviate or shield the attack like the Admiral against WB shockwave.

But sure, that guy would have leave Skypea, and cross the red line he would have been one of the strongest Supernova of the history.
But like Kid, I think he would have a reality lesson quickly.

 

[kkck]

I doubt kuro's speed would mean all that much to enel. You have to factor in power scaling as well...

I think that based on the current context enel would be situationally powerful within the new world. His fruit is exceptionally dangerous even by today's standards. Enel can basically teleport and his observation haki range is ridiculous. I don't think anyone in the new world has actually matched his range yet... That said, from a physical perspective he would be pretty weak in the new world. In a naval battle enel would be absurd given his range when combined with the precision his haki gives him. but you would need to keep mid tier new world people the heck away from him. His attacks are also probably powerful enough to hurt pretty much anyone. Even a yonko would be at least annoyed by an actual lightning strike.... YC1-3 wouldn't appreciate it.

 

[grey matter]

Enel being compared to the NW turns him into a glass cannon. & not a very powerful canon at that. Current scailing they have more than enough durability, endurance & stamina to survive Enel attacks & way more strength

His offense feats are still one of the best till date.

That was only because of the cloud islands weather in Skypiea that boosted his CoO and thanks to the Ark Maxim that boosted his Lightning powers. Other than that, I dont think he can do what youre saying he can.

If he came down to Earth where clouds are more limited in some parts and without the Ark Maxim to create thunder clouds for him to nuke lightning kilometers away, his power would be much weaker, still strong...in Paradise.

Like I said his CoO is basic even among New World veterans. He was able to dodge Pre Timeskip, Pre Gears Luffy. Which is a pretty slow Luffy compared to New world veterans. So I dont see Enel being "OP".

Technically, Sugar is OP if she plays her cards right. Should we add her to the list of Yonko level?

Where was that ever mentioned? That his observation haki extended like country level because of Skypia's environment?

If anything, thunder clouds are far more prevalent closer to the earth. He wouldn't even need arc maxim to pull off country level attacks

The thing is, basic observation haki doesn't allow you to predict unpredictable things. Which was why it was useless against Luffy's ricochet attacks. It wasn't because Enels' observation haki was subpar. Otherwise, Enel has zero issues with Luffy's combat speed.
You would need something like future sight for that, to predict where exactly the punches would land.

Actually yea.
Give Sugar a YC3 or even Tobiroppo tier stats, and she probably one shots the Yonkos. Cause, as far as we know, not even haki helps you against her powers lmao. On top of that, it gives you eternal youth. IT's some broken DF

 

[albertwv]

Its funny how people conveniently ignore important points about Enel's CoO usage/extent and DF's power boost. I keep pointing it out, but people still choose to ignore it. I showed manga panels on when Enel speaks about how his CoO becomes more useful due to the clouds and SKypiea is made of clouds so it instantly gives his CoO an edge, thanks to his DF and clouds.
Enel needs Thunderclouds to pull off what he did towards the end of Skypiea, the massive lightning storm and Advent of Thunder. Thanks to the Ark Maxim, it was able to create Thunder clouds in Skypiea for Enel to use his lightning DF.

So in conclusion, the insanely amount of clouds found in Skypiea + Lightning DF helped Enel with boost his basic CoO. The Thunderclouds created by the Ark Maxim, allowed Enel to create a lightning storm and have so much destructive power.
Take away the clouds and thunder clouds and put him in a Sunny day in Earth and he is strong but no way "YC level"
Now Kuro may be faster than him, since Oda compared Kuro's speed to CP9, but Kuro's attack strength would not compare to Enels. So Enel would win. But Enel vs Pre TS Lucci if he knew CoA, Lucci would win.

How do people not see that. Enel lost to a PRE GEAR PRE TIMESKIP Luffy, read that again.

 

[Vanshrimp]

Enel made the mistake to rely too much on his DF, and never took into account that there is DF that simply cancels out his power which is called lack of knowledge. Not to mention, lack of training.

 

[Drm123]

You guys are still debating Enel strength lol. This guy lost to pre time skip, pre gears luffy. Pre timeskip luffy could extremely diff beat a pacifista, and post time skip he can low diff KO them in one hit. Luffy is a hundred time stronger now and this applies to all the strawhats. Enel stands zero chance against any new world pirate. I’ll say it again anybody with conquerors Haki will knock him out.

 

[M3J]

You guys are still debating Enel strength lol. This guy lost to pre time skip, pre gears luffy. Pre timeskip luffy could extremely diff beat a pacifista, and post time skip he can low diff KO them in one hit. Luffy is a hundred time stronger now and this applies to all the strawhats. Enel stands zero chance against any new world pirate. I’ll say it again anybody with conquerors Haki will knock him out.

Pre-timeskip Luffy needed Zoro and Sanji to beat a Pacifista, whereas Enel could likely one-shot a Pacifista or beat it easily. In a battle of devil fruit vs. devil fruit, Luffy won because he's rubber against lightning.

Enel could take on a lot of New World pirates, and given his confidence/arrogance, Conqueror's haki wouldn't phase him at all. If nothing else, he might actually have it as well.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Pre-timeskip Luffy needed Zoro and Sanji to beat a Pacifista, whereas Enel could likely one-shot a Pacifista or beat it easily. In a battle of devil fruit vs. devil fruit, Luffy won because he's rubber against lightning.

Enel could take on a lot of New World pirates, and given his confidence/arrogance, Conqueror's haki wouldn't phase him at all. If nothing else, he might actually have it as well.

What noticible New World pirates is he taking on? Maybe the ones without haki, but that's it.

 

[M3J]

How do we know haki is enough to protect against Enel's lightning though? Or that he still isn't fast enough, especially with his CoO, to dodge, counter, and attack? I don't like the whole, "this is definitely a given he sucks/is the best!" logic, when there are possibilities.

Not saying people said he's the best before anyone focuses on that. Just that there are possibilities, and it seems like the character has to be a good tank to take the hits without getting knocked out. Wyper was the only one (according to a member here) that didn't go down in one shot. We don't know if any other character can repeat that feat that's not an emperor or admiral level.

 

[albertwv]

How do we know haki is enough to protect against Enel's lightning though? Or that he still isn't fast enough, especially with his CoO, to dodge, counter, and attack? I don't like the whole, "this is definitely a given he sucks/is the best!" logic, when there are possibilities.

Not saying people said he's the best before anyone focuses on that. Just that there are possibilities, and it seems like the character has to be a good tank to take the hits without getting knocked out. Wyper was the only one (according to a member here) that didn't go down in one shot. We don't know if any other character can repeat that feat that's not an emperor or admiral level.

Wyper is pretty weak in New World standards, so if he could withstand 2 shots of lightning, Im pretty sure other stronger characters who are below YC level can as well. You do not have to be an Emperor or Admiral level, look at Brooks withstanding Big Moms Lightning, but maybe because he is all bones, either way.
I've been saying for the past few posts, his CoO is NOTHING GREAT. He was able to dodge a PRE TIMESKIP PRE GEARS Luffy, thats about it. If Luffy had used Gear 2 Luffy, Enel would have gone down faster just like Boa Marigold did when Luffy started using Gear 2. Her CoO was not fast enough to keep up with Luffy's gear speed.
His CoO is pretty weak in New World standards.

 

[XXGenesis]

Very drawn out discussion for pages of the same thing lol. Ppl obviously love them some Enel

 

[M3J]

Wyper is pretty weak in New World standards, so if he could withstand 2 shots of lightning, Im pretty sure other stronger characters who are below YC level can as well. You do not have to be an Emperor or Admiral level, look at Brooks withstanding Big Moms Lightning, but maybe because he is all bones, either way.
I've been saying for the past few posts, his CoO is NOTHING GREAT. He was able to dodge a PRE TIMESKIP PRE GEARS Luffy, thats about it. If Luffy had used Gear 2 Luffy, Enel would have gone down faster just like Boa Marigold did when Luffy started using Gear 2. Her CoO was not fast enough to keep up with Luffy's gear speed.
His CoO is pretty weak in New World standards.

What about Zoro and Sanji? Both went down wiht one shot, and they're quite durable, if not more so than Wyper. But also, all any of us have is assumption, nothing concrete.

But Marigold was not about to lose, was she, other than coming close to falling out of the ring? But yeah, I don't think he had Future Sight if he couldn't predict where Luffy's random bouncing fists were about to land.

 

[john ellis]

Enel would lose to any YC and maybe even some yonko officers. He’s not a push over but he gets mid to low dif by the new world. That said he would probably come back stronger if they don’t kill him. A lot of potential but he certainly wouldn’t be prepared

 

[kkck]

I would maintain enel as we saw him is skypeia is situationally strong. If you are in a naval battle then enel's military value is incalculable. Just rain thunder on enemy shits. Barring that odds are that his lightning to at least some extent is able to punch outside his tier. Against a mid tier new world fighter with haki I wouldn't put my money on enel though.

 

[albertwv]

Does it bother anyone else that Luffy is close to Kaido's level WITHOUT the use of Gear 4 or even Gear 2. It seems BASE Luffy is able to block, dodge, and harm Kaido. I don't care that Luffy finally got the hang of ACoC, it still is way too early for a novice to be able to keep up with a veteran like Kaido in Luffy's base form, especially since we see Kaido is in his Hybrid form.

I would totally understand if he was in Gear 4 using ACOC and able to keep up with Hybrid Kaido, but in base??? To me it is ridiculous that he was able to make such a HUGE leap from being OHKO in G4 effortlessly by Kaido, to now being nearly on par in his base form versus Kaido's hybrid form. Yeah Oda screwed that up just like every other matchup in Onigashima with the power levels.