One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[albertwv]

It doesn't work that way.
DF mastery, combat stats and haki are completely different things. You can be top tier in DF mastery, while simultaneously be relative fodder in stats and haki. Doflamingo is another example of this. Top tier DF mastery, but relatively mediocre stats and haki.

Enel has demonstrated incredible DF mastery.

Enel, till date, has one of the highest attack power and destructive feats in the series. He destroyed his home country on his own. And completely vap'd an entire island.

Enel got stronger due to the Ark Maxim, that helped him create that Thunderball of Doom. But with his own powers he wasnt capable of doing so.
His basic CoO is nothing compared to New World Veterans. He was able to listen to conversations throughout Skypiea due to his DF.
Proof:

Enel wouldnt get far in the New World, if he doesnt get stronger CoO, learn CoA and improve his own strength. His DF is nearly invincible but would ultimately be his downfall by relying on it too much. He has good combat skills for a Paradise level character.

Its amazing how he was able to use this technology and his DF to make it more versatile and destructive, but nonetheless, it wasnt really his own skill that made his CoO amazing or his own DF powers so destructive. Props to him either way, I dont think we've seen anyone else use their DF in this manner.

 

[Ricko]

And also he was able to destroy a "cloud" island... Even with enhanced power he was not able to hurt the Vearth part of Skypea...
His Ball of lightning may not be able to wipe a real island.

Ace had a more spectacular feat with Entei, he was able to do it on his own, as BB with his ball of darkness.

 

[Core D. Roy]

And also he was able to destroy a "cloud" island... Even with enhanced power he was not able to hurt the Vearth part of Skypea...
His Ball of lightning may not be able to wipe a real island.

Ace had a more spectacular feat with Entei, he was able to do it on his own, as BB with his ball of darkness.

Depends on what your definition of "wipe out an island" is. The gura gura no mi could certainly sink entire islands and likely break them apart on a fundamental level that dwarfs any other devil fruit or conventional means of destruction. The goro goro no mi could at the very least blast everything on the surface of an island to a level that would make a Buster Call blush.

As far as I recall, the range of destruction of Ace/Blackbeard was moreso city-scale, not island-scale. That could come down to devil fruit mastery, since Akainu and Aokiji had island-wide repercussions for their duel.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Enel literally one-shot almost everyone but Luffy, though.

Pretty sure he didn't one shot Wyper.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 4, 2022, Original Post Date: Jan 4, 2022 ---

Luffy has a bounty 2.5x that of Sabo... so his fire attacks are superior to Sabo's?

Well, no, because Luffy's fire attacks are not his primary form of combat

If Big Mom and Enel fought:
- They would attack each other with lightning
- Enel would come on top, and laughs at it
- Big Mom emerges unfazed, and Enel goes
- Big Mom one-shots Enel with her fist

 

[HereNThere]

Enel's an interesting case. His DF should really be stronger than what it was portrayed to be and I'll be that guy and say his CoO is actually on the level of a New World Veteran when augmented by his fruit. Fairly accurate island-wide sensing is rather impressive.

But...that's where things end with him in terms of his New World prospects going by what we've seen. He'd be a hell of a Supernova, probably among the most infamous in history, but his feats don't have him stepping up to the New World as is and doing fine from the jump. Oda saying that he would have a 500 Million bounty does imply that he has the chops or Oda sees the potential in him, but his Pre-Time Skip feats don't reflect that when you look at Post-Time Skip.

It's highly likely he'll get the Marineford Croco boost when he comes back though.

 

[FetherMan]

Maybe, Kidd needs food and rest to get stronger too to win against Big Mom. Just saying, it worked for Luffy.

 

[albertwv]

Maybe, Kidd needs food and rest to get stronger too to win against Big Mom. Just saying, it worked for Luffy.

Probably just rest so does Law, but not food.
Does anyone else find BM random homies annoying? Like I think it was dumb for her to use random object Homies to fight. I think it was fine just using the main 3 Homies.

 

[grey matter]

Enel got stronger due to the Ark Maxim, that helped him create that Thunderball of Doom. But with his own powers he wasnt capable of doing so.

He already destroyed his country before arc maxim was even a thing. He doesn't need the arc to destroy a country.

Plus, arc maxim just allows him to get clouds easier (which wouldn't be needed in blue sea). All the thunder comes from him.

Enel got stronger due to the Ark Maxim, that helped him create that Thunderball of Doom. But with his own powers he wasnt capable of doing so.
His basic CoO is nothing compared to New World Veterans. He was able to listen to conversations throughout Skypiea due to his DF.
Proof:

I didn't say this wasn't the case?
Of course his basic observation haki is the best because of his DF

Still, it is the case.

Plus, this also shows his DF mastery and ingenuity.
Who else have combined their haki with DF? Luffy and Katakuri? That's about it

Enel wouldnt get far in the New World, if he doesnt get stronger CoO, learn CoA and improve his own strength. His DF is nearly invincible but would ultimately be his downfall by relying on it too much. He has good combat skills for a Paradise level character.

Who has better observation haki than him currently? Katakuri and Luffy? That's about it.

Agree about armament haki.

His DF is absurdly powerful to the point it's all he needs. He can get kms high in sky within a second and spam attacks. Who can deal with it? Very few characters.

He has good combat skills of a Paradise character? That's what I am saying! He isn't some slouch in combat. He was at least stronger than pre asura Zoro with his combat stats alone.
He tanked several attacks from Luffy, and overwhelmed Luffy in pure combat until the ricochet thing started happening. Pretty impressive for someone who hadn't taken a punch in years.

Its amazing how he was able to use this technology and his DF to make it more versatile and destructive, but nonetheless, it wasnt really his own skill that made his CoO amazing or his own DF powers so destructive. Props to him either way, I dont think we've seen anyone else use their DF in this manner.

Yea, I agree more or less

I see no point in taking his DF away from him to rank him. Not only because he has it, but also because of his mastery with his DF.
Not many characters have shown the DF mastery that he has. Mastering DF is a skill of it's own. He's easily top 10 in the verse when it comes to mastery of DFs.
I mean, who are better in this regard than him? Luffy, Doflamingo, Law, OG admirals - sure. Crocodile, Katakuri - maybe. That's about it

Plus, where would say Aokiji go if you take away his DF? From borderline Yonko tier, to below all YC1s
Where would BB go if you take away his DFs? From Yonko tier to YC (say 2nd commander) tier

Regarding observation haki.
It absolutely shows his skill and capability. Only a handful of people have combined haki with their fruit like this. Plus, noticing the speech and actions of millions of people is insane, it takes incredible brainpower to comprehend it simultaneously.
For eg: he paid enough attention to Robin's movement and patterns to deduce where the Golden Bell would be at. No speech, nothing. Just movement and patterns. That's insane.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

People keep likening enel to a caribou and it’s hilarious
He’s significantly better in many ways
He’s got a much better DF that he’s mastered
He’s got pretty high level COO
He at least can somewhat fight and dodge

 

[AmitDS]

Probably just rest so does Law, but not food.
Does anyone else find BM random homies annoying? Like I think it was dumb for her to use random object Homies to fight. I think it was fine just using the main 3 Homies.

Clearly it wasn't, considering Mike the Girder is giving Kid a run for his money right now and Law is dancing to avoid them while she's watching them and laughing. I'd say it was a success.

 

[albertwv]

Nah Enel lost to a pre gears pre timeskip Luffy. Enel's CoO sucks.
If Boa sister's CoO lost track of Luffy when he used Gear 2, then Enels CoO would be worse. Who cares if he could read everyones mind or hear what they are saying around the island. He still lost to a slower Luffy.
His CoO reaction time is nothing compared to New World veterans.
He would be dangerous in the Paradise, but not in the New World.
Even Luffy noted that there are "monsters" in the Blue Sea compared to Enel.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Nah Enel lost to a pre gears pre timeskip Luffy. Enel's CoO sucks.
If Boa sister's CoO lost track of Luffy when he used Gear 2, then Enels CoO would be worse. Who cares if he could read everyones mind or hear what they are saying around the island. He still lost to a slower Luffy.
His CoO reaction time is nothing compared to New World veterans.
He would be dangerous in the Paradise, but not in the New World.
Even Luffy noted that there are "monsters" in the Blue Sea compared to Enel.

nah let's be real. if we're talking about an enel fighting optimally with no plot induced stupidity then he mid diffs everyone under YC1. didn't Luffy literally have to turn his brain off at one point to fight him? enel was OD as fuck and only lost cause the author made him start fighting dumb. first of all if I had enels fruit and COO, you think I'm engaging anyone ever in a fight?. id be one-shotting fools from 100 miles away like enel was actually doing at the start. who besides yonkous and YC1 can even fight that? plus when luffy was immune to lightning, enel shoulda just went back to the drawing board and fought him the way he was fighting him at first when luffy couldn't touch him. the author did the same thing to moria too. Luffy couldn't get past his shadow clone and there was literally nothing he could do about it then the author decided to turn moria into a dummy and challenge luffy to a boxing match.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I was forced to rank Luffy and Zoro over Hancock in my top 30 OP characters and my heart hurts

 

[albertwv]

nah let's be real. if we're talking about an enel fighting optimally with no plot induced stupidity then he mid diffs everyone under YC1. didn't Luffy literally have to turn his brain off at one point to fight him? enel was OD as fuck and only lost cause the author made him start fighting dumb. first of all if I had enels fruit and COO, you think I'm engaging anyone ever in a fight?. id be one-shotting fools from 100 miles away like enel was actually doing at the start. who besides yonkous and YC1 can even fight that? plus when luffy was immune to lightning, enel shoulda just went back to the drawing board and fought him the way he was fighting him at first when luffy couldn't touch him. the author did the same thing to moria too. Luffy couldn't get past his shadow clone and there was literally nothing he could do about it then the author decided to turn moria into a dummy and challenge luffy to a boxing match.

Here you dropped this:

LMAO that felt good.

BOY get outta here!!! (see what I did there "Boy") Mid diffs everyone under YC1? Omg stop. Not even gonna reply to that.

 

[GL_Nova]

Enel is a joke in the new world. He needs a massive boost to be a contender. An arguing he can battle YC1 and the elite is laughable.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Give pre TS CP9 the ability to touch Enel and they work this man.

 

[M3J]

If haki can predict lightning and/or protect against it, then Enel's in trouble.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Enel solo's pre time skip Ussop. Maybe even one-shot

 

[grey matter]

Enel is OP is he plays his cards correctly.

His skills and capabilities are OP. He can spam nukes from 10s of kms away, and has observation haki potent enough to pinpoint the nukes

The only thing holding him back is his God complex.

Enel solo's pre time skip Ussop. Maybe even one-shot

Way to state the obvious lol

Unless you made a type and meant post timeskip. Yea, Enel definitely one shots post timeskip Ussop.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Enel is OP is he plays his cards correctly.

His skills and capabilities are OP. He can spam nukes from 10s of kms away, and has observation haki potent enough to pinpoint the nukes

The only thing holding him back is his God complex.



Way to state the obvious lol

Unless you made a type and meant post timeskip. Yea, Enel definitely one shots post timeskip Ussop.

Yeah I did state the obvious. Just a little comment to throw in since I don't care for Enel either way

I was feeling left out