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Yeah but that was before he became "Lancelot of the Lake". He's probably much stronger than before and possibly stronger than Tristan.
He's under direct order from Meliodas... that's not a little thing
I mean, we can assume both got significantly stronger than their initial fight, but given the author, I doubt he's stronger than Tristan. Mind you, the gap probably isn't too huge, but I can't see Tristan being the lesser of the two. And I imagine Tristan is also under direct orders from his father and Percy and the gang will eventually be too.

That's presuming the difference in strength is more then a minor amount. Regardless, we can assume that's already the case. We've seen the difference in strength between the various knights, and we know several like Ironside aren't any pushover. More importantly, they're opposed an opponent who wields the strongest power in their universe and can basically warp reality. The power scaling was set to max before the series began.
Reading back on my statement, I can see how it does jump the gun a bit. When I was writing it, I had a bit of tunnel vision in Lancelot's performance against these particular Knights and comparing it against the performance of Percy's group coupled with the fact that they've been continuously told they were weaker than them (the Knights). Lancelot's bout with the lead guy next week will give us a better idea of where they could potentially stand at the moment.

If Lancelot is indeed comparable to a Sin though (whether that means 3000 average Sin or 30000+ Sin, I don't know), then we already know he's stronger than Ironside and Mortlach given what they implied back in Anne's hometown.
 

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I don't know how I missed it earlier, but upon re-reading the chapter I noticed that Lancelot has a bunch of arrows around his armband. This means that instead of creating arrows with his magic, he's actually just using the physical arrows he carries around with him.

This is actually really confusing to me, because I don't understand how he manages to shoot real arrows like this. Is he transforming into his human form, shooting the arrows with his bow and then transforming back? Is he pulling them out of his tail like with the map earlier and then accurately throwing them at his enemies' weak points? Either way he would have to be absurdly fast in order for nobody to notice him do that. In chapter 11, Sin was standing right next to Donny, Percival, Nasiens and half a dozen fairies when an arrow hit Talisker's doll, but none saw him shoot it. Same thing in this chapter when Elgin was hit by multiple carefully aimed arrows from the front while Sin was standing behind him. Could he really be moving so fast that nobody can even see his attacks?

Another option would be that the fox is actually just an illusion or something along those lines. That would explain why its body distorted when hit by those wind sickles in this chapter, but it would beg the question how the fox can interact with physical objects and even people. Perhaps it could be some sort of a magical construct, like a familiar? When Sin was standing next to Percy, Donny and Nasiens, the real Lancelot could hide in the bushes and snipe the doll without anyone noticing. When Sin was dodging the Talismans' attacks, the real Lancelot could shoot them while they're distracted, although he would have had to somehow get inside the perfect cube before it was activated and then remain hidden until the fighting started. There are some holes in this idea, but I kinda like it because it would mean that Sin the Fox could remain active as the mascot of the series even after the Lancelot reveal, since they would technically be separate characters.

Also, I wonder what Lancelot meant when he said he would not be able to tag along with the group anymore. The argument Sin had with Anne at the start of the arc had him question whether he's really part of their group, so he might just be thinking that Percy and co. won't accept him anymore now that he's revealed his true self. Alternatively there could be an actual reason for it, like someone being able to sense his location now that he's revealed his identity. Whatever the case, I'm hoping that Percy will be able to convince him to stay, because it would be a huge waste for Lancelot to just leave immediately after his identity was finally revealed.


It's hard to say what his magic does, but I like the idea of it being similar to Snatch. Something that's straightforward on the surface but that has more abstract and situational applications as well. Lancelot is the grandson of the Fairy Tree and the son of one of the strongest humans in history, so he doesn't really need to have a super special magic like Percival. Not to mention he's also got access to fairy abilities and maybe even some kind of remnants of the Fountain of Youth.


Yeah I think he's definitely getting a spear at some point. Nakaba portrayed Lancelot with a spear in Rising Impact and also in the one-shot, so he clearly associates Lancelot with that weapon. The spear he made out of a branch as a kid might actually be a reference to a story where Lancelot used a random tree branch to defeat an armed knight. I wonder if Lancelot could end up becoming a sort of weapon master who can use a bunch of different weapons equally well. Or maybe his spear could shapeshift into different forms just like his body, although that might overlap with King's spear a little too much. In the legends, the Lady of the Lake gives Lancelot a bunch of magical items including a couple of weapons. That idea could easily be twisted into some sort of a shapeshifting Swiss Army knife of Chaos.
Nice analysis. The only caveat I would add is that while the 3000 year thing is most likely a joke, it could also be accurate. With him being half fairy anything is possible... Maybe he got lost in purgatory for some time?
 

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If Lancelot is indeed comparable to a Sin though (whether that means 3000 average Sin or 30000+ Sin, I don't know), then we already know he's stronger than Ironside and Mortlach given what they implied back in Anne's hometown.
Perhaps. On the one hand, Lancelot being that strong would explain why Gowther perhaps didn't feel the need to accompany them. On the other hand, if Lancelot was that strong, there wouldn't be any reason he shouldn't have dealt with Ironside before the summoning. It could be that Lancelot himself isn't that strong, but he has some ability that grants that kind of boost, like Meliodas' full counter or the dancing ability of the giants. Would explain why he's reluctant to get in fights with Arthur's knights.

It seem like Mortlach was more concern then Ironside about that threat.
 

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With the exception of Arthur, I can’t see
anyone being strong than a half goddess, half demon child.

Also I feel like it might have been said but I think Sin’s forest friends are actually just Tristan
 

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Imo the 4 knights of the apocalypse will likely be on the same tier.
 

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With the exception of Arthur, I can’t see
anyone being strong than a half goddess, half demon child.

Also I feel like it might have been said but I think Sin’s forest friends are actually just Tristan
Like I said before, Tristan's biggest advantage is having the exact same essence of Chaos:
 

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I haven't seen Tristan but you can see Percival and Lancelot in the trailer at the seventh second.

Well damn, I missed them. Guess we can expect a pretty decent roster if both series characters are being pulled from.
 

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With the exception of Arthur, I can’t see
anyone being strong than a half goddess, half demon child.
Well, given that Percy is the main character in a series by Suzuki Nakaba, I imagine he'll still be the uniquely special one. Outside of him though, I imagine Tristan is going to be treated pretty well given who his father is. Authorial Nepotism if you will.

And they likely all will be in the same tier, but you know...sometimes preferences can still seep through.
 

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Well, given that Percy is the main character in a series by Suzuki Nakaba, I imagine he'll still be the uniquely special one. Outside of him though, I imagine Tristan is going to be treated pretty well given who his father is. Authorial Nepotism if you will.

And they likely all will be in the same tier, but you know...sometimes preferences can still seep through.
Not necessarily! Meliodas was the main character, and he was not "the uniquely special one" ... Arthur was!
 

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Not necessarily! Meliodas was the main character, and he was not "the uniquely special one" ... Arthur was!
No surprise, given that, you know, both series are based on Arthurian legend. He was always going to be the guy.

But, in the series whose main focus was on the 7 titular Sins, Meliodas was the character who the lion's share of preferential treatment and basically was the center of attention in a lot of ways. Hell, even Arthur idolized him and his power.
 
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No surprise, given that, you know, both series are based on Arthurian legend. He was always going to be the guy.

But, in the series whose main focus was on the 7 titular Sins, Meliodas was the character who the lion's share of preferential treatment and basically was the center of attention in a lot of ways. Hell, even Arthur idolized him and his power.
escanor, king, ban, arthur. Meliodas was behind characters multiples times while being the main character, tristan isnt. And as you clearly said, arthur was going to be the guy because the series are based of arthurian legends, and who is more important/known in arthurian legends between lancelot and tristan?
 

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Why are you even comparing Arthur who was a supporting character to the Sins? It doesn't make sense. All the Sins were special in the first place(though some much more than others). And in the end, no matter how special all the four will end up, the MC stays the MC.

I honestly don't think that Tristan will receive some kind of "preferential treatment" from Nakaba because he is the son of the previous MC. He is not the MC in this series at the end of the day. Nakaba revealed that Sin was Lancelot in this chapter and the latter has already been charmed by Percival's MC aura, it's not going to change. Not to mention that Lancelot has been here for a long time so from another POV Lancelot is the one getting preferential treatment.

Tristan and Lancelot are good for marketing reasons because they are tied to the MCs of the prequel (one got a Gaiden, one will get a movie). That's it.


With the exception of Arthur, I can’t see
anyone being strong than a half goddess, half demon child.

Also I feel like it might have been said but I think Sin’s forest friends are actually just Tristan
Race has never been all that important in NNT among the strongest. What was clear was that Demons and Goddesses were the strongest and that Humans were the weakest. Humans having a low potential compared to the other race is the one thing that's been constant. That's why Arthur and Escanor stood out so much.

Being a Demon means that you have access to PoD and a Goddess means that you can use Ark but that's not related to your potential. Even in the Demon clan, Meliodas was much stronger than Zeldris even though they are brothers. And honestly Demon abilities aren't that great compared to Goddesses's (Ark techniques + perfect healing).

We know Tristan's potential is very high because he is one of the KoA and Gowther himself said it but there is no reason to believe that being a Hybrid makes you better.

Nice analysis. The only caveat I would add is that while the 3000 year thing is most likely a joke, it could also be accurate. With him being half fairy anything is possible... Maybe he got lost in purgatory for some time?
Don't think it's possible unless time flows differently in that place where he went with Jericho. He should be 16.
 
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escanor, king, ban, arthur. Meliodas was behind characters multiples times while being the main character, tristan isnt. And as you clearly said, arthur was going to be the guy because the series are based of arthurian legends, and who is more important/known in arthurian legends between lancelot and tristan?
Yeah, I can't really agree here.

Aside from Arthur at the tail end of the series, Meliodas has never been in a position where he was completely behind those characters. Mel would always get a reveal that'd basically show that he was still ahead in some form or fashion.

Escanor beat Meliodas when he had lost his emotions, but flashforward to Escanor's Gaiden, not only could Mel beat Escanor at high noon already, he could one-shot him as well and could've killed him if he wanted. He gave Escanor the why you should live speech and is basically the reason Esanor was fine with living once more.

King's my guy, but he was never shown to be ahead of Mel in anything except character development.

Ban was continuously shown to be behind Mel. The closest they've been was in Purgatory where Mel wasn't even at full potential. And the end of that little adventure had the reveal that Mel had his super-secret magic this entire time.

Arthur being the key to the series doesn't mean everything else is going to follow suit 1 to 1. The previous series already showed us that. Outside of Arthur, most important/known doesn't really matter. Tristan isn't popular popular compared to characters like Merlin and Lancelot in Arthurian Legend...but in this series he is still the child of the previous MC. He reaps the benefits of the two most focused on races in the series. He's already left a scar on his contemporary, Lancelot.

But maybe I'm reading Nakaba wrong. Maybe he won't make Tristan the coolest thing since sliced bread due to his parentage and everyone will be given a similar shine. I'll gladly eat crow if I'm wrong. But I don't trust Nakaba.
 
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We know Tristan's potential is very high because he is one of the KoA and Gowther himself said it but there is no reason to believe that being a Hybrid makes you better.
Why there is no reason when we have the fact that the combination of Light & Darkness (a.k.a Chaos) is the source of EVERYTHING in NnT-verse?
 

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I was thinking about Pellegarde since he's on his way to the forest, and I remembered that his magic had a Japanese name for some reason. Initially I figured that Nakaba wanted to stop using English names for magic in the sequel, but all the other new characters' magics have followed the familiar old pattern. I wonder what makes Pellegarde's magic special? I guess it could just be Nakaba changing his mind about the naming scheme after the first few chapters, in which case he might retcon the name, but there could be something more to it as well. Maybe Pellegarde is originally from not-Japan like Nanashi or maybe he's doing the same thing as that one Bleach character who deliberately used the wrong name for his ability to hide its true power.

Hell, if you wanted to get really wild with the theorizing, you could even speculate that Pellegarde is Nanashi à la the twist with Mael and Estarossa. We never saw Nanashi's magic and we haven't seen Pellegarde's face so far. Nanashi is also curiously absent from the sequel despite being Arthur's right hand man. Nanashi means 'nameless' so that was probably an alias to begin with, and Pellegarde sounds fancy enough to be the name of a goddess. Perhaps he abandoned his real name in shame after he lost his wings and status as a goddess. Looking good so far. Unfortunately, in chapter 23 there was a panel showing some of Arthur's knights from ~18 years ago, including both Nanashi and Pellegarde. The theory was dead on arrival.

Nice analysis. The only caveat I would add is that while the 3000 year thing is most likely a joke, it could also be accurate. With him being half fairy anything is possible... Maybe he got lost in purgatory for some time?
It's not impossible, but the thing that makes me question the idea is that it's really hard to survive in Purgatory. The altered flow of time is the most memorable aspect of the realm, but the climate is also extremely hostile. After his adventure in Purgatory, Ban was able to withstand the Demon King's storm attack like it was nothing, even though Gowther stated that no living creature should be able to withstand it. The Supreme Deity reinforced this idea in the movie when Ban tanked her God Thunder attack, which she said only someone who had survived Purgatory could do. Lancelot might have the longevity to come back alive from Purgatory, but I doubt he has the durability required, unless he fully inherited the powers of the Fountain of Youth from his parents. It's also worth noting that as far as I can remember, Merlin is the only living person who knows how to get to Purgatory in the first place. All in all it just seems unlikely to me, and that's before we even consider the problems with power balance that would result from one of the main characters being able to tank hits from the gods while the others struggle against random holy knights.
 
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