You're not making a clear argument here as to why she needs to do such a thing. Maybe if she were to oppose Zahard, which she apparently has no interest in. She's clearly happy with her current status. At least as far as we know so far. She's a Zahard lackey.
Everyone has a boss, dude. Even the other FH's see Zahard as a king. Zahard himself is owned by the tower limiting his travels upward. And/or the admin which he cannot oppose. And his own contract may be the 'shackles' we have heard about from an admin, so he may have limited his own self. And Zahard's ass could be wiped by ANY Axis, possibly even other irregulars like Enryu and Urek IF they wanted to.
The point is, there is always a bigger fish in the sea, even to the FH's and Zahard. Having a 'family' or a clan isn't the be-all, end-all.
If having a family was only about having a strong fighting force, then Adori is ALREADY THERE - a family of an army as it were. No one in the Tower questions her authority at the level she operates at, probably even other FH's as she is a direct proxy for their king, Zahard. Her rank proves she has either the power or the authority (or even both) that even EXCEEDS other FH's save 4.
It's kind of your own headcanon that she's unhappy, unfulfilled, or 'needs' to have a family to prove her strength to you or anyone else in the tower or readership. The story doesn't seem to indicate that at all in any way.
Actually, I did. It's because you can't see past your headcanon that the FH's "don't care about Luslec" which is far from confirmed and remains unproven, and even unlikely considering everything holistically surrounding Luslec and FUG's lore and actions.
With any critical thought you'd see that this means either a) Luslec is even stronger or harder to kill than the ancients (at least as an individual, maybe), or b) they can't find him to pin him down (which is a strength in of itself - the ability to remain hidden and fight guerrilla-style) and you can't compare the two because they haven't had an equal squaring off. So that's a bit apples to oranges. Beasts are probably easier to find and fight against than an entity with higher functions and strategy, and hiding abilities.
Besides, Zahard CLEARLY didn't finish the job with the ancients (OR LUSLEC). Which is going to bite him in the ass in the future. Probably one reason he decided to holo in to watch what went down with Akrinak. IOW, it moved his needle enough to be certain of an outcome. If he didn't give a shit he wouldn't have made an appearance at all, even if only in holo-form.
Except the lore itself, the bio about FUG and/or Luslec (and his rank above even other FHs), Zahard moving armies to kill off ancient FUG warriors (and failing to do so), Zahard personally showing himself to put down Khel's rebellion, Gustang's knowledge of the thorn which FUG increasingly posses which poses an existential threat to empire/Zahard, the Z-army's inability to ever truly eradicate them for 10's of thousands of years, princesses/great families having a standing order to fight FUG when they come across them, their comparison to WingTree which CAN rival a great family, the fact that a FH has to move to counter Luslec's actions, the fact that FUG has blue holes and elders that are even beyond the knowledge of Z empire and ranking offices, the fact that they seem to work with GongBang which extends to even outside the tower and may be a threat in of itself, the fact their scion in Enryu couldn't be stopped by any Zahard rankers if they wanted to and could even kill an admin - something even Zahard couldn't do (and if he's still alive that's even worse for empire), the fact that FoD is really egg on Zahard's face, and probably more we haven't been made aware of yet.
Yeah, I mean other than that, no thorn in empire's side at all!
Which, in turn, is a thorn in the side of their parents and clan leaders - the FH's and Zahard. Or are you suggesting they PREFER to have their children and ranks killed off by FUG?
TRIED to. And failed. And it seems like that war wasn't over quickly, but in fact might have taken a very long time.
What's your point? Zahard never fully defeated ANY of his enemies. Not even V and Arlen.
Maybe. It clearly won't happen. It's NOT happening. And the 'ask' to fight FUG (again, btw, this hasn't been their first fight indicating FUG wouldn't even exist if Zahard had put it down previously when they battled) indicates exactly what I've been saying - that FUG is a problem. That problem has gotten worse than ever with the inclusion of Baam and Gustang's defection (along with his acquiring the bracelet or tech that Zahard fears). So Zahard can't just pretend they aren't a problem anymore, he has to *actively* move (again). But that ship has sailed and he probably is just starting to realize this. Moreover, even FH's are getting off their asses now. Baam isn't qualified to fight one, but he will be.
Again, there are STANDING ORDERS to fight and kill/detain anyone FUG. So, yes, he did 'care'.
FUG just wasn't centralized like it is now, coalescing around a key figure - Baam and in a key location - in the Nest (or the Wall or the Last Station previously). It's likely that Adori cannot even find Luslec if she wanted to, regardless of the orders to be carried out (which aren't being carried out successfully).
Now represents a chance to strike a blow against a FUG that is unusually grouped together, whereas before they acted more independently from the shadows and were harder to kill. FUG hadn't previously fought out in the open, more like terrorists and guerrilla fighters. Now, they are openly attacking on large battlefields - the Wall or the Cage.
And, before FUG didn't have a Baam. Zahard is growing increasingly desperate to kill him before it is too late, but may not realize it is in fact too late.
Keep in mind that empire is not all-knowing. They weren't even aware of YHS/EVK operating under their very own noses on 2F, busy looking for irregulars to be used against them. RED wasn't even aware of YHS's powers and actions when RED was sent to deal with the fake princess (indicating intelligence gaps on FUG). The Cage can teleport. Blue holes aren't getting ranks assessed.
All this leads to the conclusion that Zahard's empire has no idea where FUG's operatives are at any moment. They can want to kill them until they are blue in the face, but it doesn't matter if they can't find them.
Besides, empire has fought FUG before. So the argument that they don't matter because this is the first time empire has gone to battle with FUG is moot, and a non-argument, as empire has actively fought them before.
But moreover, you're conflating an ideology which cannot be killed with an existential threat. No one is arguing FUG can kill a FH or Zahard, even if their might is combined against the later. BUT, without the immortality contract we don't know how exposed the FH's truly are. Can they be rivaled on strength? Even a FH cannot fight an army of too many, right? At some point they'd wear down. Again, immortality aside. And they know that irregulars joining FUG - and/or the thorn - are the true threat in a one-on-one sense. This gives them the capacity to be an actual lethal threat. You'd not want a 'religion' seeking out such a weapon, or beings coming in the tower and being sympathetic to such a cause. You'd want to wipe it out before a Baam or an Enryu or an Urek enters. Or before they can finalize the thorn. Zahard et al have been unsuccessful in wiping out FUG and Luslec, and if they had been it wouldn't matter if a Baam entered, or thorn fragments sat around, unused. So, of course FUG represents a threat to the status quo, and would be eliminated if it could have been. FUG's biggest threat always has been its FUTURE threat.
Because my point was not that she needed like you say . My point would be why would she want to under someone else , when she could create her own family and have higher prestige .
Most people would prefer to be free , in fact i would argue the stronger someone the less likely that person would want to be under someone .
Other than Arie hon , there is no evidence that other FH see zahard as they superior .
We don't even know if Zahard can make them move .
Not everyone has a boss or consider that someone is above them .
You point with zahard make no sense . MAybe you don't understand me , Zahard is owned by no one , and the tower isn't even actually a person , it is a weird thing to say that the tower is owned by the tower .
We again have no evidence , what power admin have over Zahard , we know they are above Zahard , but we don't know if Zahard can againt one or not .
If i remember well Headon was not really pro zahard and seemed against him .
But let us say that what you say is true , it still doesn't show that zahard is owned by admin or the tower . I mean my point was Adori was Zahard subordinate and you don't need to make nonsensical point about people owning another one .
A correct point to oppose mine would have been showing how admin or the tower are Zahard superior and zahard is subordinate . But it isn't the case .
We have no idea of they relation , and as far as we know it is far more complicated than we know .
Yes , you point about Enryuu or Phanta make no sense , you don't answer to my point .
So i am gonna repeat , my point is that there is no reason for her to not have her own force if she was as strong as hr ranking indicate , she could still still decide to serve jahad while having her own family . For example Rei and hon seem to be quite loyal to Zahard but they still have they on force .
Never said , having a family was the be end all , my point is that people in general seek to be more free , and that even if she didn't , she could still create her own force and serve Zahard .
I mean , it is okay if you think it is not necessary , after all one of those people you guys think could rival a FH not forming they own force could be possible for diverse reasons .
But what about Enne or Molic ? Why do they all submit to Zahard ?
I don't neceserely think all FH have fun having a family , so they could have joined zahard right ? So why all irregular choose to have they own independant force , while the guy you guys think could rival them , none off them could create a force off they own .
For example , if a irregular were to join the tower would they create they own family or just be like Adori ? For example we know Gustang wanted for Urek to be like them and that they he suggested that only irregular could be friend .
HEr autority is depend on Zahard , she has the influence , but in the end , it all depend on zahard , while FH have force that are independant from Z empire .
She has no force of her own . You see i never said that having a F was just about a strong fighting force , having a loyal force that can follow you whatever happen is also interesting .
Tomorrow , any FH can change faction and they would still have they own force , while Adori would be most likely alone , with few loyal men .
There is no headcannon , because i never said that she was unhappy , you actually the one misrepresenting people quote here .
I just pointing one curious point , that Adori could be having her own force , and that most people would prefer to have they own force rather just being under someone .
For example most irregular consider themselve to be off the same level , for example Gustang think all irregular are at the same realm and everyone else is below . Kallavan also said that Zahard considered FH as his friend . Even if they all have they own force they have they pride and until now they don't seem to act as pure subordinate oustide of Rei .
So i wonder if Adori was at they level , it is also likely that she would have some liberty , or even have some children .
But whatever , maybe it is just some bullshit , if it was just for one person it would be okay . But no one off the guy you guy claim or think can match a FH seem to have they own force , i am speaking off those who are under Zahard .
You need to stop with the headcannon stuff , i am pretty sure , that i didn't make any affirmation , i use most off the time " it seems to me " or " likely " .
As far as i think i didn't make any headcannon , i am just exposing some of my tought and i never expressed themselve as facts . Just questionning what you think .
I don't think i said FH don't care about Luslec but for me it seems that they don't care or that it sound to me like the most likely answer .
Rather than the difficult to kill , which is honestly sounds ridiculous to me given that if Zahard wanted Luslec die , or if FH felt that he was threat they could ally together and kill him . But in the end if FH really wanted him death i see few reasons for him to be alive , they may be few exception that we don't know , but for what we have now , i don't see the reasons why Luslec would be alive , if FH actually cared about him .
I guess i don't have any critical tought i guess ?
I am ready to accept that Luslec may have a special skill that make him difficult for 12 FH plus zahard to find him for more than 10000 , do i have to mention the ability like fate seing .
Off course it is possible , but if you were being honest you would think that having such ability could be rare .
Even the ancient one , this chapter , Rei didn't seem to care about who he faced and it is quasi sure that Rei saw acrinak going out of NN yet he didn't care .
So honestly we can really consider if FH really care about killing those ancient being .
Because to you the reasons why ancient one are still alive is because of they skill right ?
For me it isn't , evading 13 irregular and they ability for so long seem highly unlikely for me . It may be possible right , but it is definitely the most likely case .
It make more sense , that Luslec didn't actually escape the FH for 10000 years , but rather that they didn't bother about him .
Second point , is that they don't have to kill someone to get rid of a threat , just capturing it would be enough . That isn't a valid point . Enne is in prison for example .
I mean i don't think you point about Zahard not finishing the job prove that anything , doesn't he prove my point that zahard don't feel they are not enough of threat to him ? The same way Khell was not finished , same for Evankhell .
Let us be honest , for me if Zahard wanted any of those ancient one death , they would have already died or Zahard could have used some skill to capture them . Now maybe they have some weird skill , but would Zahard be impotent for 10000 , and not find any way to sell those guy ? Possible but not probable .
So let me answer you counter point about me saying that he don't think there is any evidence that show FUG is a threat to FH or zahard .
- Luslec ranking has been attributed to him representing the absolute darkness .
- I mean you second point seem to justify my point . We know that Zahard didn't actually star a war after genesis , it is recently when Baam took that key that Zahard gave those orders , before that he didn't give a shit about FUG and didn't start any war , this war , Rei presence could again be attributed to Baam presence .
- Personally showing to stop in no way that you are threat to them , this chapter show it , Rei showed in front of NN , but she never was a threat to him , why did he show to her ? Because she has a special skill .
You see it is funny , when it is to justify one of you point you can use the exception for you point ( about Luslec being able to evade to full blown research of 11 irregular ) , but when Zahard show to meet Khell you don't do it , why ?
Going by you logic , i could be saying that there a multitude of reasons why Zhard faced Khell right ? For example he wanted to verify something , he just wanted to discuus or whatever .
But let us ignore these point ; sure Zahard met Khell , but what did he do ? He let Khell alive , never mentionned Khell being a ancient , Khell seing fate was what was mentionned actually nothing more .
- them being cockroach doesn't mean they are a threat , Karaka is hard to kill , it doesn't mean that he represent to any FH for example .
So i googled the definition of threat in google " a person or thing likely to cause damage or danger. "
So please explain to me how FUG surviving for so long means they are likely to cause danger or damage to a FH , it means they have skill but that they can likely cause damage or danger to a FH doesn't seem to be the case , same for Zahard moving , same for Zahard starting a war .
- Actually yes , i would be inclined to think a FH could fight a army , i believe Rei can kill everyone in this arc by himself , you can look at Urek using a single bang and how powerful it was , FH may not be as strong as him but they can rivalize with at least one bang of Urek right ? That bang can't be stoped by anyone in this arc and it was only one .
- How does zahard , or any FH likely to be damaged or be a in a danger just because they order they family to kill FUG person , again you can look at Luslec and come with argument that they are less likely to happen , but when it come to FH it seems that each time they want someone death you assume those guy represent a threat , in fact we don't even know if they gave in order .
did it come to you mind that FUG just could trouble any family a general doing massacre and it could be why Zahard empire opposed them ?
- FUG was said to have less influence to any family and even wing tree given it didn't any irregular .
- How does a FH moving prove that Luslec can likely cause hard or danger to a FH ? It only prove that they are dangerous for a family that is all . By you logic NN represented could likely cause danger or harm to a FH ?
FUG represent a threat to the status quo ? I don't care that wasn't my point at all , my point was FUG being a threat to FH in general .
Word have meaning and if you look at the definition of threat , none of you argument show how any off those thing could be likely to harm any FH .
FUG only threat was them being led by a irregular , which mean before Baam , they didn't represent any threat , in fact Zahard started that war because of Baam , before that , he didn't .
Being a threat to family doesn't colerate at all with being a threat with a irregular , that is a false equivalent . SLayers can be a threat to most guy of any family but he is irrelevant to any irregular , same for NN .
I suggest that being a threat to a family is not similar to being a threat to a FH .
That isn't the point , my point was that when FUG was led by 2 irregular Zhard and co really tried to fight FUG but when they died , Zahard barely cared about them , and ho by hazard when Baam come back zahard start a war again .
Yeah that is false , Zahard not killing those we V died which is a form of defeat and Arlene became mad .
But again , my point was Zahard being serious when led by irregular and him not giving a shit and not starting a single war since genesis when there was no irregualr and starting one when another irregular joined .
COme on , we all know zahard started that war because of Baam and PBD gustang .
Beside you are again moving the goal point , i asked you to explain how FUG was a threat to any Fh and Zahard which accoridng to the def is " a person or thing likely to cause damage or danger " .
I mean my answering all you point was not pertinent , we know for a FACT FUG never represented a threat to any FH given they are immortal .
You make no sense here , there was no order to destroy FUG before and giving a order to Adori to ranked 7 in the ranking to destroy FUG and family fighting FUG is totally different .
I don't see how you can't see the diffence ?
France and England can fight each other , start occasionally some war , is it the same as wanting the other total destruction ? No .
Again headcannon , we have no idea if Adori can find Luslec with time .
Baam is in no way a key figure , just someone FUG is interested .
Yeah evankhell wasn't even hidden at the 2 floor , if Zahard really tried Evankhell would have died already .
I mean we know irregular information mean are incredible , Gustang knew from the beginning about Baam for example .
Again my point is literally not about zahard empire or the ranking admin or RED , i am speaking off irregular .
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