Because my point was not that she needed like you say . My point would be why would she want to under someone else , when she could create her own family and have higher prestige .
Most people would prefer to be free , in fact i would argue the stronger someone the less likely that person would want to be under someone .
Other than Arie hon , there is no evidence that other FH see zahard as they superior .
We don't even know if Zahard can make them move .
Not everyone has a boss or consider that someone is above them .
You point with zahard make no sense . MAybe you don't understand me , Zahard is owned by no one , and the tower isn't even actually a person , it is a weird thing to say that the tower is owned by the tower .
We again have no evidence , what power admin have over Zahard , we know they are above Zahard , but we don't know if Zahard can againt one or not .
If i remember well Headon was not really pro zahard and seemed against him .
But let us say that what you say is true , it still doesn't show that zahard is owned by admin or the tower . I mean my point was Adori was Zahard subordinate and you don't need to make nonsensical point about people owning another one .
A correct point to oppose mine would have been showing how admin or the tower are Zahard superior and zahard is subordinate . But it isn't the case .
We have no idea of they relation , and as far as we know it is far more complicated than we know .
Yes , you point about Enryuu or Phanta make no sense , you don't answer to my point .
So i am gonna repeat , my point is that there is no reason for her to not have her own force if she was as strong as hr ranking indicate , she could still still decide to serve jahad while having her own family . For example Rei and hon seem to be quite loyal to Zahard but they still have they on force .
Never said , having a family was the be end all , my point is that people in general seek to be more free , and that even if she didn't , she could still create her own force and serve Zahard .
I mean , it is okay if you think it is not necessary , after all one of those people you guys think could rival a FH not forming they own force could be possible for diverse reasons .
But what about Enne or Molic ? Why do they all submit to Zahard ?
I don't neceserely think all FH have fun having a family , so they could have joined zahard right ? So why all irregular choose to have they own independant force , while the guy you guys think could rival them , none off them could create a force off they own .
For example , if a irregular were to join the tower would they create they own family or just be like Adori ? For example we know Gustang wanted for Urek to be like them and that they he suggested that only irregular could be friend .
HEr autority is depend on Zahard , she has the influence , but in the end , it all depend on zahard , while FH have force that are independant from Z empire .
She has no force of her own . You see i never said that having a F was just about a strong fighting force , having a loyal force that can follow you whatever happen is also interesting .
Tomorrow , any FH can change faction and they would still have they own force , while Adori would be most likely alone , with few loyal men .
There is no headcannon , because i never said that she was unhappy , you actually the one misrepresenting people quote here .
I just pointing one curious point , that Adori could be having her own force , and that most people would prefer to have they own force rather just being under someone .
For example most irregular consider themselve to be off the same level , for example Gustang think all irregular are at the same realm and everyone else is below . Kallavan also said that Zahard considered FH as his friend . Even if they all have they own force they have they pride and until now they don't seem to act as pure subordinate oustide of Rei .
So i wonder if Adori was at they level , it is also likely that she would have some liberty , or even have some children .
But whatever , maybe it is just some bullshit , if it was just for one person it would be okay . But no one off the guy you guy claim or think can match a FH seem to have they own force , i am speaking off those who are under Zahard .
You need to stop with the headcannon stuff , i am pretty sure , that i didn't make any affirmation , i use most off the time " it seems to me " or " likely " .
As far as i think i didn't make any headcannon , i am just exposing some of my tought and i never expressed themselve as facts . Just questionning what you think .
I don't think i said FH don't care about Luslec but for me it seems that they don't care or that it sound to me like the most likely answer .
Rather than the difficult to kill , which is honestly sounds ridiculous to me given that if Zahard wanted Luslec die , or if FH felt that he was threat they could ally together and kill him . But in the end if FH really wanted him death i see few reasons for him to be alive , they may be few exception that we don't know , but for what we have now , i don't see the reasons why Luslec would be alive , if FH actually cared about him .
I guess i don't have any critical tought i guess ?
I am ready to accept that Luslec may have a special skill that make him difficult for 12 FH plus zahard to find him for more than 10000 , do i have to mention the ability like fate seing .
Off course it is possible , but if you were being honest you would think that having such ability could be rare .
Even the ancient one , this chapter , Rei didn't seem to care about who he faced and it is quasi sure that Rei saw acrinak going out of NN yet he didn't care .
So honestly we can really consider if FH really care about killing those ancient being .
Because to you the reasons why ancient one are still alive is because of they skill right ?
For me it isn't , evading 13 irregular and they ability for so long seem highly unlikely for me . It may be possible right , but it is definitely the most likely case .
It make more sense , that Luslec didn't actually escape the FH for 10000 years , but rather that they didn't bother about him .
Second point , is that they don't have to kill someone to get rid of a threat , just capturing it would be enough . That isn't a valid point . Enne is in prison for example .
I mean i don't think you point about Zahard not finishing the job prove that anything , doesn't he prove my point that zahard don't feel they are not enough of threat to him ? The same way Khell was not finished , same for Evankhell .
Let us be honest , for me if Zahard wanted any of those ancient one death , they would have already died or Zahard could have used some skill to capture them . Now maybe they have some weird skill , but would Zahard be impotent for 10000 , and not find any way to sell those guy ? Possible but not probable .
So let me answer you counter point about me saying that he don't think there is any evidence that show FUG is a threat to FH or zahard .
- Luslec ranking has been attributed to him representing the absolute darkness .
- I mean you second point seem to justify my point . We know that Zahard didn't actually star a war after genesis , it is recently when Baam took that key that Zahard gave those orders , before that he didn't give a shit about FUG and didn't start any war , this war , Rei presence could again be attributed to Baam presence .
- Personally showing to stop in no way that you are threat to them , this chapter show it , Rei showed in front of NN , but she never was a threat to him , why did he show to her ? Because she has a special skill .
You see it is funny , when it is to justify one of you point you can use the exception for you point ( about Luslec being able to evade to full blown research of 11 irregular ) , but when Zahard show to meet Khell you don't do it , why ?
Going by you logic , i could be saying that there a multitude of reasons why Zhard faced Khell right ? For example he wanted to verify something , he just wanted to discuus or whatever .
But let us ignore these point ; sure Zahard met Khell , but what did he do ? He let Khell alive , never mentionned Khell being a ancient , Khell seing fate was what was mentionned actually nothing more .
- them being cockroach doesn't mean they are a threat , Karaka is hard to kill , it doesn't mean that he represent to any FH for example .
So i googled the definition of threat in google " a person or thing likely to cause damage or danger. "
So please explain to me how FUG surviving for so long means they are likely to cause danger or damage to a FH , it means they have skill but that they can likely cause damage or danger to a FH doesn't seem to be the case , same for Zahard moving , same for Zahard starting a war .
- Actually yes , i would be inclined to think a FH could fight a army , i believe Rei can kill everyone in this arc by himself , you can look at Urek using a single bang and how powerful it was , FH may not be as strong as him but they can rivalize with at least one bang of Urek right ? That bang can't be stoped by anyone in this arc and it was only one .
- How does zahard , or any FH likely to be damaged or be a in a danger just because they order they family to kill FUG person , again you can look at Luslec and come with argument that they are less likely to happen , but when it come to FH it seems that each time they want someone death you assume those guy represent a threat , in fact we don't even know if they gave in order .
did it come to you mind that FUG just could trouble any family a general doing massacre and it could be why Zahard empire opposed them ?
- FUG was said to have less influence to any family and even wing tree given it didn't any irregular .
- How does a FH moving prove that Luslec can likely cause hard or danger to a FH ? It only prove that they are dangerous for a family that is all . By you logic NN represented could likely cause danger or harm to a FH ?
FUG represent a threat to the status quo ? I don't care that wasn't my point at all , my point was FUG being a threat to FH in general .
Word have meaning and if you look at the definition of threat , none of you argument show how any off those thing could be likely to harm any FH .
FUG only threat was them being led by a irregular , which mean before Baam , they didn't represent any threat , in fact Zahard started that war because of Baam , before that , he didn't .
Being a threat to family doesn't colerate at all with being a threat with a irregular , that is a false equivalent . SLayers can be a threat to most guy of any family but he is irrelevant to any irregular , same for NN .
I suggest that being a threat to a family is not similar to being a threat to a FH .
That isn't the point , my point was that when FUG was led by 2 irregular Zhard and co really tried to fight FUG but when they died , Zahard barely cared about them , and ho by hazard when Baam come back zahard start a war again .
Yeah that is false , Zahard not killing those we V died which is a form of defeat and Arlene became mad .
But again , my point was Zahard being serious when led by irregular and him not giving a shit and not starting a single war since genesis when there was no irregualr and starting one when another irregular joined .
COme on , we all know zahard started that war because of Baam and PBD gustang .
Beside you are again moving the goal point , i asked you to explain how FUG was a threat to any Fh and Zahard which accoridng to the def is " a person or thing likely to cause damage or danger " .
I mean my answering all you point was not pertinent , we know for a FACT FUG never represented a threat to any FH given they are immortal .
You make no sense here , there was no order to destroy FUG before and giving a order to Adori to ranked 7 in the ranking to destroy FUG and family fighting FUG is totally different .
I don't see how you can't see the diffence ?
France and England can fight each other , start occasionally some war , is it the same as wanting the other total destruction ? No .
Again headcannon , we have no idea if Adori can find Luslec with time .
Baam is in no way a key figure , just someone FUG is interested .
Yeah evankhell wasn't even hidden at the 2 floor , if Zahard really tried Evankhell would have died already .
I mean we know irregular information mean are incredible , Gustang knew from the beginning about Baam for example .
Again my point is literally not about zahard empire or the ranking admin or RED , i am speaking off irregular .
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