Chapter Tower of God Chapter 529 Spoilers & Discussion

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Tower Of God Chapter 529 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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@Demonspeed @Lady pompom please pin

 

[lazybum]

Can't say Yas really sacrifice anything. Even being forced into LPB family, Yas pretty much do whatever he wanted with Rei's favor. He also stayed rather attempted to flee because he wanted WW for himself. At most, he risked his life by his own choice by trying to steal WW from his master. He wasn't content with the freedom he has under LPB and being able to pass time with WW.

Yas and WW are all asshole TBH. WW for getting NN's hopes up with his promise, breaking said promise, not taking care of his own kids and condemn them life of servitude in LPB family. Yas pretty much done everything for his own, he even want to corrupt WW's nature being loyal to his master when WW is fulfilled being loyal to a master. Yas did save the kids, but that doesn't nullify his asshole actions before and after.

NN is the only one who sounds a "good person" from these trio.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

How can a being that's not an irregular use shinwonryu (both rice pot guardian and Akryung, maybe more) - that's supposed to be impossible.

I used to be offended by the fact that the rice pot guardian was a creation of the workshop. Well that was until I settled down to read the tog wiki about them today and tbh I'm still in shock.

Now I'm a believer. These guys probably could have conquered the Tower long before Z and the gang thought of setting foot in there.

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nennen is dumb character really... definitely deserves to die haha , idiot believing that dog

....and the cat too

 

[Turtle hunter]

I used to be offended by the fact that the rice pot guardian was a creation of the workshop. Well that was until settled down to read the tog wiki about them today and tbh I'm still in shock.

Now I'm a believer. These guys probably could have conquered the Tower long before Z and the gang thought of setting foot in the tower.

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....and the cat too

I think in TOG there are thing that are way more mysterious than irregular .

For example how can gong bong exist inside and outside the tower ? Is the leader of it a hidden irregular or did he find a way to go out ?

What are guardian ? Why do they support FUG or Zahard ? What can near omnipotent and omniscient being gain from irregular ?

What is beyond the 134 floor ?

If gong bong managed to find a way to go in and out of the tower , it isn't unbearable to understand that they can understand the secret behind what make a irregular special .

TOG is much more than a world than center around Baam and the current zahard empire .

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In my opinion that leader of gong bang , PB gustang who is extremely intelligent and the admin are the most interesting .

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

TLDR, the rape-on-command chad that is WW is unreliable, betrayed his wifey and her trust in him (and his promise to her to protec their fucking kids for crying out loud), his people, and his kids to being used as slaves and/or killed on a whim. It is actually WW that is the selfish person in all this, not so much Yas, who actually worked to help WW *and his people/kids/girl* - it was WW that could only talk about what HE wanted, who didn't consider the life others would have based on his actions/inaction.

WW may have cared about NN a lot but the truth is that he didn't love her enough to make a move on his own. He had to be ordered to do it. He cared more about serving a master.

His mistake was developing feelings for NN in the first instance. If he had emotionless seggs that night like he did to Dooms mommy, there wouldn't be any talk about responsibility or betrayal.

It was never his decision to do the deed with NN that night. He was never really committed. He was just going with the flow setup by his sadistic master.

NN is the tragic victim. She was setup to die the moment she was captured after the ancients rampage. It didn't matter whether WW fell in love with her or 'technically' raped her, she was destined to meet the same fate as Doom's and Paul's mothers.

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it isn't unbearable to understand that they can understand the secret behind what make a irregular special .

They literally created a shinonryu tutor for the GW. There is no way they don't know all about them. I bet they could solve the mystery of the FH immortality spell if they were interested enough to.

 

[Cinera]

Also, I've been thinking, what if the beastkin aren't simple hybrids, but that Traumerai used your DNA and that of your 23 shinheuh? That's why Yas, WW and the lion there are so powerful.

That's why you're good people. Anyone against Dowon as a Eurasian is dead to me.

It's always interesting to point out that no one else from the Dowon people has pink hair. Eurasia Dowon is alive

Don't make me dig up the posts itemizing every single Eurasian and Phonsekal we know so far with their hair and eye color.

Or comparisons of pink. Of laziness. And flowers (Canne being a lily... FLOWER shrimp... which is pink) and so on...

Dowon is a Eurasian never died. In my heart.

Dowon cannot be a member of the Eurasia Family:

• She's from the Flower Nations.
• Her family is a family that upheld and protected the Royal Family of the Flower Nations for several generations.
• It's implied that Luch was the only member of the Hidden Grove from the 10 Great Families.
• Dowon spoke of an Ancient Master.

In reality this will only stop when an FH fights Enne, Adori, Molic, Luslec or Baek Ryun.

Adori is not in the same class as Molic, Luslec of Baek Ryun:

• She's the only person to officially defeat a Ranker as a Regular.
  • She easily overwhelmed an Advanced Ranker.
  • Per SIU this is a feat that proves one to be of another world.
• Her blog post says that she has "unfathomable strength".
• She has been said to be "a Ranker above Rankers".
• She has been said to be "the strongest Princess".
• Zahard Princesses are themselves the "ultimate species".
• Yasratcha said that not even all of FUG can stand against the Zahard Army.
  • Suggesting that Luslec cannot stand against Adori.
• Arvin Lou said that Adori was capable of annihilating both FUG and the Po Bidau Family.
  • Again reiterating that Luslec does not hold a candle to Adori.

Enne proved so strong that when he went mad, Zahard had to act directly.

• That's just a rumour.
• It doesn't fit with the claim that Enne was defeated and brought before Zahard.
• It doesn't make sense that Zahard would work with Princesses (Maschenny, Pondo and potentially Heice) to capture Enne.
• Zahard can literally just mind control Enne. There wouldn't even be any sort of fight.
  • See how Data Maschenny lost her mind for a minute and completely froze when she saw Data Zahard.
  • See how Endorsi couldn't even think of opposing Data Zahard.

I think Zahard sent a hologram to observe the Enne battle, and that's why the rumour that he intervened exists.

 

[Turtle hunter]

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WW may have cared about NN a lot but the truth is that he didn't love her enough to make a move on his own. He had to be ordered to do it. He cared more about serving a master.

His mistake was developing feelings for NN in the first instance. If he had emotionless seggs that night like he did to Dooms mommy, there wouldn't be any talk about responsibility or betrayal.

It was never his decision to do the deed with NN that night. He was never really committed. He was just going with the flow setup by his sadistic master.

NN is the tragic victim. She was setup to die the moment she was captured after the ancients rampage. It didn't matter whether WW fell in love with her or 'technically' raped her, she was destined to meet the same fate as Doom's and Paul's mothers.

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They literally created a shinonryu tutor for the GW. There is no way they don't know all about them. I bet they could solve the mystery of the FH immortality spell if they were interested enough to.

The most interesting is that it existed even at the time zahard was climbing the tower .

The question is how far did this technology go .

Right now we know non irregular can use shinwonryuu , which is incredible , but it may be only the tip of the iceberg .

In the end Shinwonryuu is great but all irregular could live without it and they would still above non irregular .

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

The most interesting is that it existed even at the time zahard was climbing the tower .

The question is how far did this technology go

I bet the Workshop exists not only outside the tower but also in other separate towers.
If other towers work the way this one does, then it's possible that the knowledge about irregulars and axis from older towers could be shared to the outside world and between other younger towers.

 

[Cinera]

DUde maschenny going to get imprisoned or die? they are going to find out they were betrayed by her, kallavna lyborick beat her easily. together

LOL, no. Ants like them are not going to be able to do anything about Maschenny.

On the workshop, I find that curious by Khun Lych, but we'll see. But if Masceth had the power to rival a FH, it'd be common knowledge.

The Workshop is a very secretive organisation:

• Maschenny said: "the disciples of the Workshop, shrouded in secrecy".
• Maschenny mentioned only the Disciples.
  • Not the Fathers of the Workshop.
  • Nor the Great Fathers.
  • Nor even Macseth.
• Flux (someone comparable to the Great Fathers) is known as the Magician. No one in the Tower has ever seen in his true appearance.

So nah. Let alone Macseth, people don't even know anything of the Fathers or Great Father of the Workshop.

EVK already said that for the top 300 you need to beat someone in that position and even if it's a special case, there's no reason for an FH to have less influence than any of those mentioned. That is, there is something that makes them rank above an FH, whether it's strength or something else, still needs to be confirmed. It's not even 20 chapters since we had the full name of an FH, are you really raising the flag that we would already know? I could agree with you on any other work, but not on an SIU work that is horny about not revealing anything.

Common sense dictates that since FHs have been inactive since the Genesis era

Many of the Family Leaders have been inactive since before history.

Yurin's profile says that she has never fought once ever since she became the Leader of the Ha Family.

This suggests that there is no Ranker alive (bar other companions from the Great Journey) that have ever seen Yurin fight. Yurin's last battle was before Rankers were even a thing.

How is the Ranking Administration supposed to evaluate Yurin's strength in light of that? Enne is Ranked so high because of her strength. The catch is that Enne's strength is known while for the Family Leaders, it isn't.

Meanwhile, Enne Zahard gave them the most fantastic battle they had ever witnessed. Enne's battle is the most infamous incident in the Tower's history (barring Enryu and Phantaminum).

i knew that yas would betray wangwang. strange that there were people telling me that they didnt think so, everything in the story was literally spelling out the upcoming betrayal and yet some couldnt see it coming interesting.

to be honest that all i really got from this chapter. its not really a chapter i cared about and i cant wait for this flashback to be over at this point,

I didn't read it as a betrayal of Wang. Yasratcha was trying his hardest to save Wang and free him from Traumerei, but Wang refused until the very end.

 

[Kallavan]

I wouldn't be surprised if Macseth is himself an irregular ...

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

Right now we know non irregular can use shinwonryuu , which is incredible , but it may be only the tip of the iceberg .

In the end Shinwonryuu is great but all irregular could live without it and they would still above non irregular

The fact that 'non-irregulars' can use it is a very big deal. Shinwonryu is only possible for people who can manipulate Shinsu freely.

The average irregular would still be above non irregulars with or without it but would lose terribly against other irregulars using it. How they would fare against artificial irregulars using it is debatable

 

[kkck]

Rei knows that Yas is a traitor now, so unless he's wedded to honoring the word to a dead man (WW), I don't see how Yas walks out of this in good standing

I figured yaratcha would survive this on account of being a cat trifle. Cats on occasion can scratch their owners...

 

[Turtle hunter]

I wouldn't be surprised if Macseth is himself an irregular ...

i actually really think he could .

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The fact that 'non-irregulars' can use it is a very big deal. Shinwonryu is only possible for people who can manipulate Shinsu freely.

The average irregular would still be above non irregulars with or without it but would lose terribly against other irregulars using it. How they would fare against artificial irregulars using it is debatable

Oooh yeah i said it lol .

My point was that it isn't what define a irregular or even they source of they power , as Urek is so busted with or without it .

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I figured yaratcha would survive this on account of being a cat trifle. Cats on occasion can scratch their owners...

Yas hasn't exactly been 'made' here - what WW offered is a way for him to avoid getting in trouble by being the first to attack him.

- Yas looked like the 'good little German' by reporting WW/NN's rebellion
- Yas, from the LPB perspective, was there for good reason - to stop WW
- Yas will attack WW like WW offered
- Rei only rolled up on Yas talking to WW, it's not like he heard their conversation before he was even there

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I see these comments casting Yas in a good light, talking about sacrifices and whatnot, so please can anyone outline what it cost Yas to "save" WW and how?

A cushy existence - whether he appreciated it or not that's a loss.

Yas put himself at risk. Hell, there are some here that don't even know how he'll get out of this situation.




Just because Yas didn't take on as much risk as WW/NN or have it as bad as they did doesn't mean there's not some level of sacrifice. Yas' actions setting it all up and coordinating everything took effort, and didn't happen on their own. Yes, they benefit Yas' goals, but they also benefit the dogkin.

 

[Turtle hunter]

LOL, no. Ants like them are not going to be able to do anything about Maschenny.




The Workshop is a very secretive organisation:

• Maschenny said: "the disciples of the Workshop, shrouded in secrecy".
• Maschenny mentioned only the Disciples.
  • Not the Fathers of the Workshop.
  • Nor the Great Fathers.
  • Nor even Macseth.
• Flux (someone comparable to the Great Fathers) is known as the Magician. No one in the Tower has ever seen in his true appearance.

So nah. Let alone Macseth, people don't even know anything of the Fathers or Great Father of the Workshop.





Many of the Family Leaders have been inactive since before history.

Yurin's profile says that she has never fought once ever since she became the Leader of the Ha Family.

This suggests that there is no Ranker alive (bar other companions from the Great Journey) that have ever seen Yurin fight. Yurin's last battle was before Rankers were even a thing.

How is the Ranking Administration supposed to evaluate Yurin's strength in light of that? Enne is Ranked so high because of her strength. The catch is that Enne's strength is known while for the Family Leaders, it isn't.

Meanwhile, Enne Zahard gave them the most fantastic battle they had ever witnessed. Enne's battle is the most infamous incident in the Tower's history (barring Enryu and Phantaminum).




I didn't read it as a betrayal of Wang. Yasratcha was trying his hardest to save Wang and free him from Traumerei, but Wang refused until the very end.

I wouldn't call them ants compared to Maschenny .

She likely can beat with relative ease .

But ants mean that you are so weak , that you don't matter .

That mean that if there was a 100 hundred of Kallavan they would still get beaten .

We all know that isn't the case .

As strong as Maschenny , she herself aknowledge the strength of guy like Jinsung and she probably wouldn't be able to handle more than five guy like Kallavan .

In the end t come back to you previous comment about Baam not being strong enough to be Maschenny pawn , when Baam foderrized White , which is a feat only someone who would be decently ranked in top 100 would have .

No top 100 is a ant to Maschenny , only guy like Adori , Luslec could say something like that oustide of irregular .

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I didn't read it as a betrayal of Wang. Yasratcha was trying his hardest to save Wang and free him from Traumerei, but Wang refused until the very end.

This is it in a nutshell.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

My point was that it isn't what define a irregular or even they source of they power , as Urek is so busted with or without it .

I agree on that, but I believe Urek already learnt it before he met the guardian. The guardian said he had nothing to teach him and Siu said that when he entered the tower, Urek was so proficient at manipulating shinsu that it was like moving his limbs.

 

[Cinera]

No top 100 is a ant to Maschenny , only guy like Adori , Luslec could say

I think Maschenny is well beyond the likes of Lyborick:

• I think Asensio is stronger than Lyborick.
• Data Asensio called himself a cockroach compared to Data Maschenny.
• The gap between them as High Rankers may be even larger:
  • Maschenny is significantly older than him.
    • She has thus had longer to realise her full potential.
  • Maschenny was growing far faster than him.
    • He himself admitted that Data Maschenny was very young.

At any rate, my point was that the likes of Lyborick and Kallavan are not going to defeat or capture Maschenny.

If Maschenny is taken prisoner it will be by Traumerei.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

WW may have cared about NN a lot but the truth is that he didn't love her enough to make a move on his own. He had to be ordered to do it. He cared more about serving a master.

His mistake was developing feelings for NN in the first instance. If he had emotionless seggs that night like he did to Dooms mommy, there wouldn't be any talk about responsibility or betrayal.

It was never his decision to do the deed with NN that night. He was never really committed. He was just going with the flow setup by his sadistic master.

NN is the tragic victim. She was setup to die the moment she was captured after the ancients rampage. It didn't matter whether WW fell in love with her or 'technically' raped her, she was destined to meet the same fate as Doom's and Paul's mothers.

I don't disagree.

It doesn't change much facts though.

This just makes things worse for NN as you point out, and Rei is more depraved as a result, so as you say everyone is an unwitting pawn.

Still, this neutered mutt didn't have the BALLS to tell her the truth - that it was emotionless sex, that he didn't plan on carrying out her wish (or couldn't). Making a promise you don't intend to keep isn't exactly admirable because it's in your general nature to go against it. It would be MORE admirable you were able to overcome your biological programming to be able to rise above for others' sake. Selfishly giving into your base desires - well, fuck anyone can do that.

Even if WW was never valuable to him, a betrayal is a betrayal.

But, I'd say his response to Rei at seeing WW's body proves she wasn't valueless to WW after all.

His feelings for WW aside, he should at least have fulfilled the promise for his kids to have a better chance at life. As it is, it now falls on Yas to do what WW couldn't; what he refused to even bother trying.

 

[Cinera]

I agree on that, but I believe Urek already learnt it before he met the guardian. The guardian said he had nothing to teach him and Siu said that when he entered the tower, Urek was so proficient at manipulating shinsu that it was like moving his limbs.

No, Urek implies that he can't use Shinwonryu.

When he sees Baam use the skill, he says: "isn't that what the 10 Family Leaders use"?

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

No, Urek implies that he can't use Shinwonryu.

When he sees Baam use the skill, he says: "isn't that what the 10 Family Leaders use"?

I think you're right on this. Time to reread the FoD arc I guess