Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...
yas told on the escape plan when there was literally no reason to do so he was the reason why anyone in lpb knew about it in the first place and the reason why the family head was there to begin with even if that isn't what he wanted to happen.
by the way i agree that wangwang is even worse but it doesnt change the fact that yas betrayed him.
I still think that was the plan. If he DIDN'T then it would have, in their minds, created a scenario that he couldn't control the response to - Rei coming online.
It is very clear given his response in the outer area that he fully expected NN to not have died/made it out/was waiting and didn't expect to see Rei at all - because of his orchestrations.
This was her plan all along. She was on board. No one expected the FH to move on it. Both thought she'd escape out the back door with the kids while Yas brought the other half of the dog army to WW on the outskirts, and presumably they'd all meet up.
NN and Yas thought she was qualified to solo the prison break, and most likely would have been short of Rei himself getting involved, which shocked even Yas. He even comments that he's surprised Rei got involved personally over such a seemingly trivial matter. Yas went out of his way to try to make it so he wouldn't be. He expressed shock at seeing Rei, and NN's corpse. Obviously, things weren't supposed to go that way.
He talks shit about not caring about the canines, and yet did everything he could to get them there to be with WW knowing they were valuable to the later.
Obviously, this couldn't work by involving the FH, who can just teleport in and blow the whole thing up.
This was a good plan that just went sideways. Maybe even a bad plan. But it was to give WW and his beau and kids and people all the freedom they didn't have. Something WW PROMISED to attempt for his kids. Even if WW had been on board it would have ended in failure due to Rei, but not before he at least tried to get them freedom.
He didn't even try.
Yas is a better father, lover, and provider than WW.
The bit I am confused about in this case is... why would yaratcha alert anyone about what nen nen was doing? The best scenario to rescue her children would be a surprise attack on the base. No one expected traumerei to show up but nen nen or wang wang definitely merit a branch leader showing up. Which is still a pretty bad scenario. So you have a rather weird scenario. Yaratcha did "help" nen nen and wang wang but in a way which specifically suited him and probably didn't actually care about nen nen. Wang wang didn't want to betray traumerei and actually didn't but yaratcha made sure to destroy what little of his position was left after the branch leaders lost trust. And that to force WW into betraying traumerei. WW did feel genuine rage at traumerei and he got to a point where he couldn't serve him and lost his wife as well, being left essentially destitute. So he sacrifices himself to save the canines he could and yaratcha... As conflicted as wang wang was between anger and loyalty, had he actually engages traumerei he would have been defeated as easily as nen nen.
I'm certainly not married to the idea, I was just spit-balling.
But the similarities are more obvious than not. Yas' transformation I mean. SIU likes themes that are unrelated, I fully admit that going in though.
I didn't mean Acrinak entering Yas at the time of being bested.
I'm referring to Yas doing something to Yama after the fact. Wherever the actual fangs come from. Something that took part of the essence of the ancient.
IDK, like I said, it doesn't matter - the idea is post events here, not ghost Acrinak looking for a host.
Yas hasn't exactly been 'made' here - what WW offered is a way for him to avoid getting in trouble by being the first to attack him.
- Yas looked like the 'good little German' by reporting WW/NN's rebellion
- Yas, from the LPB perspective, was there for good reason - to stop WW
- Yas will attack WW like WW offered
- Rei only rolled up on Yas talking to WW, it's not like he heard their conversation before he was even there
Because she wanted him to. It was damage control. Yas and NN both fully expected her to succeed. Meaning she though she could solo her way in and out with the kids.
She powers up with Acrinak before Rei even arrives. She knows she's going to have to fight her way in and out.
Her showing at the volcano proves she could have solo'd in and out - Rei aside. So all they had to do was concoct a story to keep Rei away. That actually means proactively leaking plans. But it was beyond clear the way Yas did that he did so to keep it low-key. Don't bother the boss, I got this.
His reaction proves he didn't expect Rei to move personally.
Is that a stupid assumption? Maybe (he thought he had done just enough for only the lieutenants to react, not the boss). But he didn't think it would go down like that yet.
The best scenario to rescue her children would be a surprise attack on the base. No one expected traumerei to show up but nen nen or wang wang definitely merit a branch leader showing up. Which is still a pretty bad scenario. So you have a rather weird scenario. Yaratcha did "help" nen nen and wang wang but in a way which specifically suited him and probably didn't actually care about nen nen.
Yes, Yas only helped the dogkin and NN/the kids out of service to his true goal - WW. I didn't say Yas was entirely selfless. But he still was considerate of his friend's feelings about his people/girl/kids. He also probably knew there would be no way for WW to do a thing without having them too. But as 'selfish' as Yas is being here, it is still a benefit for the dogkin (if it had worked)/kids/NN... and NN was fully on board. Yas even questioned NN and she doubled-down on whether to proceed and trust WW. Their interests aligned.
Which makes his sacrifice even more meaningless. He already knew he was going to die. It's not like he had the option to live, but instead sacrificed himself for the dogkin.
Yas makes a point that the LPB think he's there to fight WW. So, it comes as no surprise for Yas to be there for Rei.
What part of the dialogue makes you think Rei was mad at them both? He seems to only talk about the dog biting his master, which is what Yas had reported.
I could be wrong of course, but unless I'm missing something here, this is all on WW, not Yas.
Which is why WW makes the offer for Yas to attack - to keep up appearances.
Is that a stupid assumption? Maybe (he thought he had done just enough for only the lieutenants to react, not the boss). But he didn't think it would go down like that yet.
Cinera you think is easy for top #24 beat the top #25 - #26 etc?
Adori is seven i dont think that few ranks could be a confirmation to say she can beat luslec, molic o baek ryun let’s wait and see the future battles.
adori beat a ranker im sure that all this top ranker could do it they just didn’t try it.
Urek never did it.
None saying that but it wouldnt surprise me if he can beat her.. he’s FH age we dont know when was the last time he moved, adori is just 5,000 year old
Because she wanted him to. It was damage control. Yas and NN both fully expected her to succeed. Meaning she though she could solo her way in and out with the kids.
She powers up with Acrinak before Rei even arrives. She knows she's going to have to fight her way in and out.
Her showing at the volcano proves she could have solo'd in and out - Rei aside. So all they had to do was concoct a story to keep Rei away. That actually means proactively leaking plans. But it was beyond clear the way Yas did that he did so to keep it low-key. Don't bother the boss, I got this.
His reaction proves he didn't expect Rei to move personally.
Is that a stupid assumption? Maybe (he thought he had done just enough for only the lieutenants to react, not the boss). But he didn't think it would go down like that yet.
Yes, Yas only helped the dogkin and NN/the kids out of service to his true goal - WW. I didn't say Yas was entirely selfless. But he still was considerate of his friend's feelings about his people/girl/kids. He also probably knew there would be no way for WW to do a thing without having them too. But as 'selfish' as Yas is being here, it is still a benefit for the dogkin (if it had worked)/kids/NN... and NN was fully on board. Yas even questioned NN and she doubled-down on whether to proceed and trust WW. Their interests aligned.
Which makes his sacrifice even more meaningless. He already knew he was going to die. It's not like he had the option to live, but instead sacrificed himself for the dogkin.
Yas makes a point that the LPB think he's there to fight WW. So, it comes as no surprise for Yas to be there for Rei.
What part of the dialogue makes you think Rei was mad at them both? He seems to only talk about the dog biting his master, which is what Yas had reported.
I could be wrong of course, but unless I'm missing something here, this is all on WW, not Yas.
Which is why WW makes the offer for Yas to attack - to keep up appearances.
Damage control for what? Overall a plain sneak attack on the place where the baylord siblings were at would have been the better alternative. There is no scenario where NN doesn't fight her way in and out of the volcano base but yaratcha did the one thing that ensured she would have fought more. Traumerei moving was always beyond calculations of course.
Welp, sure, because appearances were pretty damming for yaratcha.
By design. That couldn't be any more clear. The dialogue was clearly about the *response* to the dogkin escaping that Yas was preemptively attempting to mitigate.
And if he hadn't done so, he couldn't find a reason to mobilize the dogs. He would have a bigger problem with trying to break out the huge dog army. As it is the way he orchestrated, he isn't FREEING them, he's using them against WW (which is ofc a lie). A huge commotion with the dogs escaping is likely to get Rei involved, as well as a bigger army response.
This is proved out by Yas straight up telling WW he even went to all the trouble to get the dogs here, every last one of them, so WW could control them and leave.
Another critical reading fail by you. This one isn't even subjective or debatable. Rei was NOT present. Yas' actions specifically attempted to avoid a bigger response. Why would he be genuinely confused to see Rei if he said all this shit in front of him? FFS.
LOL, and yet ANOTHER critical reading failure on your part. No wonder you don't understand the dynamics of what is happening here - who is admirable and who is not. You seem to think he wanted to kill WW?? That is an OBVIOUS LIE. He did so to try to control the situation in advance. He even tells WW to his face he lied about this, and tries to save his hide. Dude.
Your interpretation certainly amazes. How does any of this translate to a virtuous concern over NN and the dogkin? Since when did Yas ever become caring?
It's concern for them by extension of concern for WW. They get a free ride because Yas is trying to free WW against his better judgement. I never said Yas is caring, but that he did everything to save them - for WW's sake. Because he is caring about WW. Thus, he has to be considerate of WW's species' and wife and kids, obviously. Yes, Yas admittedly says he doesn't care about them and his focus is really on WW, but he STILL orchestrated events to save them all the same. And NN was 100% on board and pushing forward. Her desire to save her kids coincided with Yas' desire to save WW. Even the lowly dogkin were 'thought of' by Yas in a sense so that WW could be their leader far away from the LPB prying eyes.
Damage control for what? Overall a plain sneak attack on the place where the baylord siblings were at would have been the better alternative. There is no scenario where NN doesn't fight her way in and out of the volcano base but yaratcha did the one thing that ensured she would have fought more. Traumerei moving was always beyond calculations of course.
And, again, NN (by virtue of having the ancient Acrinak) probably COULD have solo'd any limited LPB force in and out - her presence at the volcano underwrites this ability. Absent the FH of course.
At worst, Yas is guilty of making assumptions Rei wouldn't show, but that's a failure of the plan, not some evil intent to throw NN under the bus.
Again, he expresses shock at seeing both Rei and NN's body. He fully expected her to win out in her endeavor to escape with the kids. NN's potential death, particularly at the hands of Rei, was never a part of the plan. He even tells WW she'll be waiting on him. He's SHOCKED to see otherwise.
Again, without 'telling on NN/WW' he couldn't mobilize the dogs in the mothership - to escape under the pretense of fighting the outside area dogs.
He HAD to create a false pretense to mobilize them, otherwise they are left behind, and the pack split up. What he did was get all the dogs in one place by design.
Sure, this means NN is left with all the heavy lifting at the LPB training facility, but Acrinak would have been sufficient if Rei didn't show. Which seems to have been their plan all along.
Yas miscalculated his ability to control the narrative and the response. As @EternalWinter points out, he wasn't aware of Rei's machinations and plans to exterminate the dogs behind the scenes.
Acrinak getting bodied no diff seems to be because of the host was way too weak as stated by him.
Wonder how strong hell be if his host is Yama with the 3 fangs.
And, again, NN (by virtue of having the ancient Acrinak) probably COULD have solo'd any limited LPB force in and out - her presence at the volcano underwrites this ability. Absent the FH of course.
At worst, Yas is guilty of making assumptions Rei wouldn't show, but that's a failure of the plan, not some evil intent to throw NN under the bus.
Again, he expresses shock at seeing both Rei and NN's body. He fully expected her to win out in her endeavor to escape with the kids. NN's potential death, particularly at the hands of Rei, was never a part of the plan. He even tells WW she'll be waiting on him. He's SHOCKED to see otherwise.
Again, without 'telling on NN/WW' he couldn't mobilize the dogs in the mothership - to escape under the pretense of fighting the outside area dogs.
He HAD to create a false pretense to mobilize them, otherwise they are left behind, and the pack split up. What he did was get all the dogs in one place by design.
Sure, this means NN is left with all the heavy lifting at the LPB training facility, but Acrinak would have been sufficient if Rei didn't show. Which seems to have been their plan all along.
Yas miscalculated his ability to control the narrative and the response. As @EternalWinter points out, he wasn't aware of Rei's machinations and plans to exterminate the dogs behind the scenes.
They'd only be bad IF Yas were to not attack WW. Which is what the LPB expected him to be there to do.
Again, what about the dialogue suggests Rei is mad at Yas, and not solely focused on WW? At least at this point.
Possibly? I am all for acrinak at this PL is the one we saw facing the army. Heck, it's not even that a ridiculous reach that acrinak at full power could have gone toe to toe with traumerei's beast. but.. so what? What benefit is there in sending the LPB to NN's direction while she is trying to retrieve her kids? I would argue he could have mobilize the canines towards WW without giving up the surprise factor in NN's part of the plan.
So, your rebuttal is to immediately point out what I've been saying by admitting WW betrayed his own baby-momma, and kids by extension (and fate of his people btw), in your first two lines...? After spending energy telling me how loyal and admirable he is? lol
Right. WW rather selfishly chooses to be more loyal to a twisted master because that's more comfortable for him. A master that uses his people as pawns. That will do the same to his children. That forced his baby-momma to be breeding stock. The UNSELFISH thing to do would be to be considerate of others, and not just go the lazy route which ignores their plight under the guise of 'well, it's just in my nature' - ANYONE can excuse away selfish behavior that has negative consequences for others and just so happens to be the route of doing as little as possible. Let's all applaud the guy that can't even think of his own progeny because he's too caught up in what he wants bc 'nature'. How admirable!
Yup, he's a real asshole - breaking a promise to his lover and mother of his kids who is only attempting to protect his very own offspring. And to his people who suffer under enslavement and his own kids' future as well by extension. What a chad! Sorry, what a loyal chad. (Just not to his wife, kids, or people... just some supremacist mad scientist asshole that couldn't care less about him. Cool!). That's about as admirable as it gets in my book. Nothing stupid or lazy about that at all. /s
What is your point here? He doesn't tell Yas to stop. He doesn't pocket-call NN and say he can't live up to his promise or to stop the planning. He allows them to think he's on board and to continue as planned. His participation is implied by his silence. AND also his promise that the other two are relying on, because they think they can trust him at his word (nope!). But, it doesn't matter if he took part in it. He doesn't need to see or know how the sausage is made to enjoy the sausage. He's too stupid to concoct an exit strategy that benefits him and his people anyways.
They aren't just MY expectations, they are the expectations of NN, and Yas. And any father really. Any decent being thinks parents should put their kids first. You don't get to just gloss over this huge failure of parenting and say how admirable he is because he's loyal to a despot in the same breath. lol
Mine, NN's, Yas', any reader with common sense. Yes. Pretty much the bulk of any character with skin in the game, as well as readers with more than a few neurons, think this oversight by WW is in poor form. He's entitled to 'interpret' things as he'd like, but that doesn't make him right. It certainly doesn't make him 'admirable'. Hell, it is Rei's "interpretation of his duties" to experiment with trifles and their lives/bodily autonomy - no one is arguing how admirable he is. Anyone can justify shitty behavior to themselves. So admirable!
His decision to not act puts them in a life of servitude. Which *he* may be OK with, but he's not even considerate of their feelings. NN, as a mother, has a better intuition of how the kids should grow up at least. WW is an idiot sperm-donor that is only good at siring.
I mean, you've already proven in your other post that you have a poor reading on the scenario - you think Yas spilled the beans with Traum present. You think that Yas was orchestrating things to kill WW.
I wouldn't do the same if I were in his shoes, but I wouldn't willingly serve a master because that's not who I am innately. WW is innately a being who wishes to serve a master.
'Your honor, I raped that woman because it is my innate desire to fuck when I want.' (or, "because I was told to and my innate desire is to please my master" in WW's case - JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS has never been wrong historically, has it? lol)
Nope, doesn't hold up. That's just excusatory on your part and WW's.
More admirable is to fight against your base, innate desires for the greater good, or the benefit of others and not put yourself first all the time. WW is the opposite of admirable, and his 'nature' is being used as a justification for inaction and being a shitty father/husband or whatever he was to NN.
Ummm, no. It's not until his final moments - when he's already going to die and beyond salvation - that he sacrifices himself. He could only talk about his own desires for 4 or 5 fucking chapters, man.
Possibly? I am all for acrinak at this PL is the one we saw facing the army. Heck, it's not even that a ridiculous reach that acrinak at full power could have gone toe to toe with traumerei's beast. but.. so what?
So what? Well, if they thought NN/Acrinak had the firepower, and Rei is effectively neutralized, then it matters not what response she got. They wouldn't have had the time to rally around as big a force as what attacked NN/Acrinak in the volcano on such short notice anyways.
I mean, IF Rei didn't show it more than likely would have been a successful prison break.
Which the story suggests both NN and Yas expected to be the outcome. And the later even considering he 'told' on her.
What benefit is there in sending the LPB to NN's direction while she is trying to retrieve her kids? I would argue he could have mobilize the canines towards WW without giving up the surprise factor in NN's part of the plan.
One bit that did sort of surprise me this chapter is that traumerei barely even saw WW as a dog. It's fairly clear that traumerei thinks nothing of tower residents in general but I figured that he'd have at least a thought to spare about his pets. I suppose he was just short of that considering the almost mercy he showed in agreeing to spare folk based on them cutting ww. There is also the weird caveat of traumerei actively searching for betrayal on WW's part. It's almost absurd that he'd want WW to be loyal to him after kebabing nen. Traumerei doesn't think of his pets as actual dogs or cats. He thinks of them as pokemon go pokemon, the least valuable form of pokemon in the franchise.
@Jubei_Kibagami I don't think Yas is portrayed as a "hero" in this chapter. Sure, almost everything you said about him is true: it was his and NN's plan, he brought the remaining canines with him to the outer tower by pretending to use them to kill other canines and WW and so on. But, all that doesn't change the fact the he didn't give a damn about anyone else except WW. All of that was necessary for the plan to be successful.
If he didn't propose taking canines to the outer tower and killing WW himself simultaneously prasing BHs and depreciating WW and his race, the family would send their army which Yas wouldn't be able to control. It is even doubtful they would agree to send Yas with it. He used NN as bait to preoccupy BHs, though she knew about her role in this so it's not like he deceived her. She and Akrinac would probably put a good fight against a few BHs and/or army, so that the family wouldn't be able to send a meaningful force to where WW and Yas were. But they didn't expect Traum to act directly.
Then there is this dialogue between WW and Yas in this very chapter where Yas straight up tells WW that he doesn't care about NN, his children or dogkin. Now, it can be argued that it's not how Yas truly feels and it's just one of those moments where when someone is pissed they try to make the other party show emotions by saying provocative stuff that isn't necessarily true. But i highly doubt that's the case as we later have Yas rather calmly explaining his decision about staying with the family and playing the role of a clown.
I have to say this again...
Every character have a personality..
They can lie, they can overreact and underestimate a situation that they no understand they gon to speak based on what they know.. not everything a character say is a fact.. please Yasratcha was a kid when the war finished how he has credibilty to speak about luslec? Or fug? Who is this stupid floating head arvin lou? How many year he has? Luslec can be even older than family heads, when was the last time he moved? Or fought somebody? We don’t know
We need to limit our assumption a little bit my goodness.
rank are based on achievement, weapons, political influence, military influence
exe: Arie hon has the most powerful weapon in the tower history a S+ rank sword.
without that sword what rank he going to be?
Is posible that without that sword he can’t beat khun eduan... it seems there’s no a big different between the two cause edhan see him as rival plus after the fight between Arie hon and urek even after what arie hon said, edhan is looking to fight him (urek) soo
Please lets wait to the info being official or let’s wait to somebody with credibility say the things..
So what? Well, if they thought NN/Acrinak had the firepower, and Rei is effectively neutralized, then it matters not what response she got. They wouldn't have had the time to rally around as big a force as what attacked NN/Acrinak in the volcano on such short notice anyways.
I mean, IF Rei didn't show it more than likely would have been a successful prison break.
Which the story suggests both NN and Yas expected to be the outcome. And the later even considering he 'told' on her.
I guess take it up with the planning committee - which seems to be both Yas and NN.
It's not really debatable that Yas is shocked by Rei's participation, and the sight of NN's dead body.
Was the plan fool-proof? Obviously not. The biggest, and really only, miscalculation was the FH's involvement.
That STILL doesn't mean it wasn't by design, with NN's consent (first time she's actually had consent...), i.e., Yas didn't sell her out.
But.. that doesn't answer the question. Why tell anyone that NN was planning on retrieving her children specifically? It doesn't seem necessary for the rest of the things that were happening. Even under the assumption that at worst kirin or other branch leaders would get involved.
Believe me, we talked about her heritage, and nation by extension, at length - and this was certainly addressed.
With just a little scrutiny, and understanding of the grand scale of the timeline in ancient tower history (particularly as it pertains to establishing empire), this is a non-issue for Dowon to be Eurasian by way of her rather Flowery birth-place. In short - we don't know if Eurasia Blossom - who certainly isn't Ha Yurin or Yeon Hana - sowed her wild oats before, during, or even after her time with Gustang (though before makes more sense). There is much associated with the flower nation with Eurasia who is pointedly flower-based as well as pink-themed.
With recent revelations by NN from the Acrinak about how ancient the tower beings were exactly, I've since rethought that Blossom *founded* the Flower Kingdom, but there's certainly no reason to think she couldn't have been allured by the kingdom and taken a mate, and even left a child, creating a bloodline that takes strongly after her appearance and skillset, totally coincidental, right?
If you'd like to make a thread, sure, go ahead. No point spamming any more than this on the matter. But I've seen nothing that contradicts or rules out the possibility, even at this point long after Dowon/Canne's intro.
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