Discussion Adori is The Apex Regular

[Cinera]

Many people seem to think that Adori is in the same class as other Top 20 Regulars like Molic One, Baek Ryun or Luslec. I think this is a very misguided position.

Adori is an heretical existence among the Regulars whose stature is well beyond the likes of those three. The only Regular that might possibly compare to her is Enne Zahard (the "ultimate descent").

Adori's peerless stature has been reiterated over and over again both in the Webtoon and in blog posts. I'll summarise them below:

1. She's the only person to officially defeat a Ranker as a Regular.
   • She easily overwhelmed an Advanced Ranker.
   • Per SIU this is a feat that proves one to be of another world.
   • The only others to replicate this feat have been Irregulars.
2. Her character profile says that she has "unfathomable strength".
3. Her character profile says that she is "a Ranker above Rankers".
4. Her character profile says that she is "the strongest Princess".
   • Zahard Princesses are themselves the "ultimate species".
   • The Princesses of the Great Families have the potential to become the "central power" of their Families and Adori sits on a pedestal above even them.
     • Recall that Ha Yuri Zahard is the most talented member of the Ha Family.
5. Her Sobriquet is "Killer Whale".
   • The "Killer Whale" and "Great White Shark" are the strongest and most ferocious Shinheuh in the Tower.
     • In real life, Killer Whales are superior to even the Great White Shark.
   • Luslec's Sobriquet is "Tiger Shark".
     • Tiger Sharks are smaller and weaker than Great Whites.
     • Luslec is weaker than Enne and by extension Adori.
6. Yasratcha said that not even all of FUG can stand against the Zahard Army.
   • Suggesting that Luslec cannot stand against Adori.
7. Arvin Lou (Chairperson's Office: Wisdom) said that Adori was capable of annihilating both FUG and the Po Bidau Family.
   • Again reiterating that Luslec does not hold a candle to Adori.
   • Suggesting that perhaps even the top officials of the Zahard Administration believe that Adori does not lose out to the Family Leaders.

The likes of Luslec, Baek Ryun and Molic One simply cannot measure up to the Killer Whale.

 

[Arjuna]

I am not sure about Luslec though,it is said that if Luslec moves a FH will move to intercept him,if Adori can defeat him then what is the need for the Family Heads to move.

 

[Ignorant]

Cinera you think is easy for top #24 beat the top #25 - #26 etc?

Adori is seven i dont think that few ranks could be a confirmation to say she can beat luslec, molic o baek ryun let’s wait and see the future battles.



adori beat a ranker im sure that all this top ranker could do it they just didn’t try it.

Urek never did it.



Every character have a personality..

They can lie, they can overreact and underestimate a situation that they no understand they gon to speak based on what they know.. not everything a character say is a fact.. please Yasratcha was a kid when the war finished how he has credibilty to speak about luslec? Or fug? Who is this stupid floating head arvin lou? How many year he has? Luslec can be even older than family heads, when was the last time he moved? Or fought somebody? We don’t know

We need to limit our assumption a little bit my goodness.



rank are based on achievement, weapons, political influence, military influence



exe: Arie hon has the most powerful weapon in the tower history a S+ rank sword.



without that sword what rank he going to be?

Is posible that without that sword he can’t beat khun eduan... it seems there’s no a big different between the two cause edhan see him as rival plus after the fight between Arie hon and urek even after what arie hon said, edhan is looking to fight him (urek) soo

Please lets wait to the info being official or let’s wait to somebody with credibility say the things..

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I voted #2 for her because for now i have to trust the top 17 list..
i believe enne could be stronger, we need to wait.
I want to believe luslec and molic are stronger

I can’t add baek because blog post is clear about his rank is just because influence because he’s the leader of a group who can rival a Royal family.

 

[Cinera]

I am not sure about Luslec though,it is said that if Luslec moves a FH will move to intercept him,if Adori can defeat him then what is the need for the Family Heads to move.

No, it was said that if Luslec got involved, the Lo Po Bia Family Leader will respond.

That simply means that there is no one in the Lo Po Bia Family that can defeat Luslec.

Adori is not a member of the Lo Po Bia Family, she's the Commander in Chief of the Zahard Army.

Here's what the Zahard Empire elites have said in comparison between Adori and Luslec:

1. Yasratcha said that not even all of FUG can stand against the Zahard Army.
   • Suggesting that Luslec cannot stand against Adori.
2. Arvin Lou (Chairperson's Office: Wisdom) said that Adori was capable of annihilating both FUG and the Po Bidau Family.
   • Again reiterating that Luslec does not hold a candle to Adori.

They believe Adori to be capable of annihilating FUG. So obviously, Luslec is not considered to be someone in the same weight class as Adori.

Adori is seven i dont think that few ranks could be a confirmation to say she can beat luslec, molic o baek ryun let’s wait and see the future battles.

It's not because of her Rank. But because she:

• Is a "Ranker among Rankers"
• Possesses "unfathomable strength"
• Is the "strongest Princess"
• Easily overwhelmed an Advanced Ranker while a Regular
• Is believed to be capable of annihilating both FUG and the Po Bidau Family
• Bears the sobriquet of the apex ocean predator.

adori beat a ranker im sure that all this top ranker could do it they just didn’t try it.

Urek never did it.

No, Urek is an Irregular. That feat is speaking specifically among Regulars.

ho is this stupid floating head arvin lou? How many year he has?

He is one of the top officials of the Zahard Administration. He is the Chairperson's Office: Wisdom.

He may well be a Top 100 High Ranker.

I want to believe luslec and molic are stronger

They are weaker than her.

 

[Arjuna]

No, it was said that if Luslec got involved, the Lo Po Bia Family Leader will respond.

That simply means that there is no one in the Lo Po Bia Family that can defeat Luslec.

Adori is not a member of the Lo Po Bia Family, she's the Commander in Chief of the Zahard Army.

Here's what the Zahard Empire elites have said in comparison between Adori and Luslec:

1. Yasratcha said that not even all of FUG can stand against the Zahard Army.
   • Suggesting that Luslec cannot stand against Adori.
2. Arvin Lou (Chairperson's Office: Wisdom) said that Adori was capable of annihilating both FUG and the Po Bidau Family.
   • Again reiterating that Luslec does not hold a candle to Adori.

They believe Adori to be capable of annihilating FUG. So obviously, Luslec is not considered to be someone in the same weight class as Adori.



It's not because of her Rank. But because she:

• Is a "Ranker among Rankers"
• Possesses "unfathomable strength"
• Is the "strongest Princess"
• Easily overwhelmed an Advanced Ranker while a Regular
• Is believed to be capable of annihilating both FUG and the Po Bidau Family
• Bears the sobriquet of the apex ocean predator.

No, Urek is an Irregular. That feat is speaking specifically among Regulars.



He is one of the top officials of the Zahard Administration. He is the Chairperson's Office: Wisdom.

He may well be a Top 100 High Ranker.



They are weaker than her.

You are basing it on character statement,character statements are notoriously unreliable in fiction,Just see Lo Po Bia Yorari thought Baam is "just" a regular who defeats Rankers and we know how strong is he.


Though I admit my original statement was based on the belief that Luslec moving will force The FH's to move,not just Lo Po Bia Family Head.After reading the Webtoon seems like you were right.

 

[Demonspeed]

Well, Enne exists so it can't be said she is for sure.

I can't really believe Yasratcha's statement though.

 

[Cinera]

I can't really believe Yasratcha's statement though.

Arvin Lou (Chairperson's Office: Wisdom) said that Adori can annihilate both FUG and the Po Bidau Family.

So it's not just Yasratcha that's saying that Luslec can't hold a candle to Adori.

Well, Enne exists so it can't be said she is for sure.

1. It is Adori not Enne that is said to be "the strongest Princess".
2. Killer Whales > Great White Sharks.

 

[Demonspeed]

Arvin Lou (Chairperson's Office: Wisdom) said that Adori can annihilate both FUG and the Po Bidau Family.

So it's not just Yasratcha that's saying that Luslec can't hold a candle to Adori.

1. It is Adori not Enne that is said to be "the strongest Princess".
2. Killer Whales > Great White Sharks.

Well, Enne can't really do anything right now so Adori has no challenge.

If we follow the epithet logic then Adori is even stronger than Urek since Killer Whale > Ray Barracuda but there is no way it's the case.

TBH I'd prefer Adori to be stronger because unlike Enne she isn't the daughter of Irregulars. I am not in the "Regulars can reach Irregulars's level"'s camp but a lot of people seem to think Enne should be stronger because of her bloodline even though at the end of the day, she isn't an Irregular. She isn't like Baam.

 

[lazybum]

Arvin Lou (Chairperson's Office: Wisdom) said that Adori was capable of annihilating both FUG and the Po Bidau Family

I've asked this on the question thread :

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Adori wanted to do all 3 orders. Some Zahard administrative folks complain she is stubborn, and that "the fact she's capable of doing that is what makes her scary.".

To clarify, what is being said here is Adori crazy enough to do all 3 orders even if it's difficult/impossible to achieve, or that Adori is able to accomplish all 3 orders? In the latter case, that means Adori is able to fight and win over a family head.

In your opinion, why do you think it means Adori is strong enough to a family head (Gustang in this case)?

 

[Cinera]

If we follow the epithet logic then Adori is even stronger than Urek since Killer Whale > Ray Barracuda but there is no way it's the case.

Barracuda is a Shinheuh. Ray Barracuda is not.

The "Ray" comes from Urek's fighting style of forwarding shinsoo as fast as light.

Tl;Dr: it's not a one to one comparison.

Well, Enne can't really do anything right now so Adori has no challenge.

Adori being the strongest Princess comes from her character profile (i.e. SIU).

I've asked this on the question thread :



In your opinion, why do you think it means Adori is strong enough to a family head (Gustang in this case)?

They meant that Adori is capable of completing all Three Orders.

This is not proof that Adori is above Gustang. But it means that Adori is believed to be capable of destroying both FUG and the Po Bidau Family. The order to destroy the Po Bidau Family might plausibly exclude Gustang (he's an immortal God).

 

[Demonspeed]

Adori being the strongest Princess comes from her character profile (i.e. SIU).

Isn't it also said that people are debating who is stronger between her and Enne? What is clear is that they never fought. She is the strongest active princess. I don't think SIU ever confirmed that Adori was definitely stronger than Enne.

They meant that Adori is capable of completing all Three Orders.

This is not proof that Adori is above Gustang. But it means that Adori is believed to be capable of destroying both FUG and the Po Bidau Family. The order to destroy the Po Bidau Family might plausibly exclude Gustang (he's an immortal God).

As of now, there is no way I can believe Adori can do this with sheer strength. It's too much. I don't think even one Irregular can do that (I am not excluding Gustang). It feels off to talk about a family and exclude the leader.

 

[Cinera]

It feels off to talk about a family and exclude the leader.

This is the norm though:

• Gustang didn't include himself when he said that Urek can annihilate his Family.
• SIU said that Great Family Princesses will become the central power of their Families in the future.
• Yuri was said to be the most talented member of the Ha Family.

Even the statement to annihilate the Po Bidau Family almost certainly excludes Gustang given his immortality.

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Isn't it also said that people are debating who is stronger between her and Enne? What is clear is that they never fought. She is the strongest active princess. I don't think SIU ever confirmed that Adori was definitely stronger than Enne.

It's also said that people debate Urek vs Phantaminum, so that doesn't necessarily mean much.

 

[akio18]

Cinera, this is one of the few times where I disagree with you. If by apex regular you mean strength or rank I agree, although enne will be freed and we'll have to wait and see. If by apex you mean she is the greatest regular in the tower, I disagree. She still has to run throgh the administration which is ruled by the three lords, currently by Molic, the oldest and strogest of the bunch, who is ranked lower than her. To put it simply, and I'm speaking to myself right know, when you reach top 20, it's not about how much destruction can your kamehameha make but a series of factors that determine your rank that have yet to be fully explained.

 

[kkck]

Welp, possibly? To me saying that she is definitely the strongest tower resident seems like a stretch. Enne is still alive and ranks are... fungible enough that other tower residents of similarly absurd rank being a match to her does not sounds utterly absurd.

 

[Demonspeed]

This is the norm though:

• Gustang didn't include himself when he said that Urek can annihilate his Family.
• SIU said that Great Family Princesses will become the central power of their Families in the future.
• Yuri was said to be the most talented member of the Ha Family.

Even the statement to annihilate the Po Bidau Family almost certainly excludes Gustang given his immortality.

Maybe it's the norm in-universe indeed but when I talk about this I include the FHs.

It's also said that people debate Urek vs Phantaminum, so that doesn't necessarily mean much.

I knew you'd talk about the Phanta and Urek comparisons . It's not the same because not only Phanta disappeared after he appeared in front on Zahard, SIU also confirmed that Phanta is stronger.

Meanwhile both Adori and Enne were active princesses. Garam also said that Enne was her hope to end the Princess Wars.

 

[kkck]

SIU doesn't usually handle the lore in such a way that it effectively works as work of god (let alone that the story has diverted from it). A lot of it is how tower folk view stuff within said tower... Basically leaving a lot fo wiggle room. Is adori absurdly strong? Certainly. Is she definitively stronger than luslec, baek or molic? who the hell knows. And anyone claiming to know is either delusional or lying... (unless that someone is siu).

 

[Cinera]

Maybe it's the norm in-universe indeed but when I talk about this I include the FHs.

But the people in the story do not include the Family Leaders.

I knew you'd talk about the Phanta and Urek comparisons . It's not the same because not only Phanta disappeared after he appeared in front on Zahard, SIU also confirmed that Phanta is stronger.

My point is people debating who's stronger between them is irrelevant as far as their actual combat ability goes.

Meanwhile both Adori and Enne were active princesses. Garam also said that Enne was her hope to end the Princess Wars.

Yuri Zahard is the hope of the Ha Family to gather all the 13 Months and become Queen of the Tower.

This doesn't mean much.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I think it's very possible as I don't think she's just a tower-born nobody, but personally a female Zahard clone. We even have the 'gold' theme with her to add icing to the cake of this theory (from her hair color to her 13mo - gold, and not coincidental IMO), but her monstrous strength speaks for itself a la what you would expect from a full-blooded Z clone. The door is wide open for clones as we have the princes (prince program/'RLD') giving really strong hints at cloning, plus the princess program in of itself has a genetic component. Then, we get hints that Gustang and Traumarei like to play with genetic experimentation, and even GongBang is in on the action. Basically, genetic experiments abound in these circles in the tower. Cloning is fully-cemented as possible, highly likely in my mind.

It wouldn't be unheard of that even among the princess program, an ultimate species was created as the pinnacle of that program, or an experiment inside an experiment. Full Z blood, all genetically-irregular, just no immortality contract. Why even bother with Tower residents taking Z blood when you can just make your own 'daughter'? Female clones can be made with male genetic material, FWIW.

Similar with Enne, who has full genes of irregulars from conventional conception, then Z blood as a cherry on top. I can completely see a full Z blooded winner (Adori) between the two as Zahard is stronger, but that said Enne has two stupidly strong wave-controllers AND Z blood whereas Adori 'only' has Z blood in this theory, so I can kind of believe the hype of a stalemate. On one hand, Enne has the blood of THREE irregulars (one being Zahard), while on the other Adori has a stronger concentration (100% lol) of the strongest irregular. Conceptually they both have amazing pedigrees.

And now me meandering a bit OT, but relevant as you mentioned other powerful tower-born individuals relative to Adori:

Anyways, I expect other ridiculous stuff with the other 'regulars' in the top ranks. I still think Luslec is another clone (and also the Captain as such) in the same vein as Karaka and Wangnan. Yes, he was 'born' in the tower but clones are 'born' all the same. I suspect RLD is on 80F (his 'birthplace') and Karaka/Wangnan also have a birthplace too, possibly 80F as well if that's indeed the RLD. We don't know if the princess program is centralized to one floor or many, so the production of clones may not be limited to one location as well - maybe more than one lab; maybe the RLD is the most well-known. Maybe Luslec is a first-gen, and thus much older than his 'brothers'. I know he fought under V, but the princesses are creations and they fought under Z. It's not impossible to think the irregulars, through the Workshop, sought to create clones to help their ranks in battles - what a better way of increasing your fighting potential than another one of yourself? V could have been assigned clones, getting Luslec possibly others (who were killed off?). Whatever, the point is don't sleep on Luslec either IF he's a clone.

I also think the Workshop is responsible for other creations. Macseth should be right up there for non-irregulars; maybe he's even from outside the tower himself. He could be a creation by whatever organization the Workshop is outside the tower, instructed to create a franchise inside the tower to continue experiments. Robots creating robots as it were. Real Terminator or Matrix level stuff.

Molic One, no idea. Perhaps he is bolstered by spells and such, which threaten the existence of things and are very off-limits as they are heretical in their own right. Maybe he's a wizard or something, who knows who fucking cares. Warlock.... Molock? Meh

Baek is a freak as well, I expect he's not your average Joe just born in the Tower either. He's capable of fuckery with nature which seems possibly heretical as well. He could be related to the Ancients which seem to have an association with Nature. The extreme nature of being able to compress and decompress an entire forest reminds me of what the Earth Minotaur in Khel can do, possibly even more powerful.

Other possibilities: we know admin can die (rarely), but it's almost rare to the point it might not have ever been witnessed... still, what if they just have EXTREMELY long life-cycles, and something like a thryssa was picked up by ranker outside the FoD (no idea where it would come from, how the fuck does the blue thryssa exist in the first place then exactly?)? What if the Workshop can create baby admin/thryssas (we know they have a serum to separate them after all)? What if Headon can have kids (after all, why not?), what would that look like - maybe a Baek? What the 'god of the outside' had sent Enryu or another messenger in at some other point in time to do something else entirely, or leave other tech/gear and the Thorn is not his only fuckery in the tower (maybe Molic got a spell book from Enryu... where did spells come from if Arlen ENTERED the tower already knowing about them?)? What if the Workshop can bring in creatures or beings from outside the tower (or tech to beef up beings born in the tower) that can rival irregulars? What if previous irregulars are resurrected with witchcraft or GB tech (is that you, Akryung? Where is V's body?)? etc etc etc

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In any event, I don't think just anyone born on a random floor in the tower is going to ever be in the top ranks like these extreme rarities are. I don't imagine this is one of those 'just work your way up the corporate ladder' type of things. Yes, they could just be freaks and outliers, but there's so much more to the story: spells, ancient powers, genetic experimentation, mechanical/robotic/android beings... who knows what other esoteric BS we don't even know about yet. Sky's the limit. All the highest-rank 'regs' are going to have one-off circumstances that set them apart from standard Tower-born IMO.